the commission was actually completing its work and was fully responsible for all of this only from the prosecutor general. and the prosecutor general, who actually has to appoint a deputy to himself in order to strengthen the relevant institution, and actually ensure the effectiveness of the work of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office and, in principle, the entire block of the anti-corruption andriy, but we thought before , i was sure that the obstacle is the decision of the oazk regarding the illegality of the competition itself , and the fact is that you also have a decision here an obstacle and in fact it is a very big risk of a decision in vasco because if there will be and in principle for the entire anti-corruption system in the event that even a head is appointed, i will explain why . in the case of cancellation of the order on the appointment of a manager, because

our recognition of the procedure by which such a manager was elected is, i would say, illegitimate on a large scale, yes. that is, all procedural decisions accepted by this particular prosecutor and the prosecutor who was appointed as the head of the specialized prosecutor's office will not be legitimate, therefore, and all the evidence will be considered to have been collected in a way not provided for by law. therefore, this is a very big and serious gap, a big serious problem. and we tried our best for that eliminate all these differences so that the appointed manager who is appointed begins to implement and does not cancel and does not jeopardize everything before the judicial investigation in all criminal proceedings and so that the leader can work effectively. there is one last question, namely the results and the protection of the results of our work, so that it is very difficult . well, everyone saw it. and so that

he could calmly be the leader of the commission on public grounds. received money, look, of course, the commission worked on a public basis, personally, when we are, well, at least members of the commission from the parliament, this is something that i know 100% about, because we insisted that the commission must work exclusively on public grounds, well , it cannot be otherwise. of course, thank you, sir, and even yesterday i simply missed whether there was a decision of the sixth court of appeal on the decision of the usk. somehow, nothing appeared in the information field about this matter. well, you know, i did not see such a thing the decision really, although the deadline should have been such a decision should have been made, it is not in the register, i looked in the register, i myself was interested . on the basis of the results because we also want to protect the results of our work and so that

the manager could work peacefully and the results of his work were not canceled as a result and were not nullified as a result. occupying administrative positions and positions in the special anti-corruption specialized prosecutor's office, today we will remind you that the results of the competition have been recognized, but this is not yet the final appointment, but it is not yet certain. conclusion of the general prosecutor's office, and there is no head there from today, let's talk about it in particular with volodymyr tzibulko, volodymyr. we welcome you. good evening. i read that arahamia has already told that everything is fine. go away, so they will set up a job and will not be left without a job. ah, but the former prosecutor general is already waiting for an appointment. on the diplomatic front , the head of parliamentary france and the servant of the people faction, davyd rahamia, announced that he will become a diplomat

. well, they gave me some kind of warm position somewhere as a diplomat, that's normal. well, i suspect that and uh, well, let's say that gena will be cleaned by the prosecutor's office. well , mr. volodymyr, it’s just not easy to go back there. kharkiv is not very comfortable now, so it ’s more like failing the work of the prosecutor general’s office. if a person is fired, it means that she failed her job. she should at least report there, but here she well, let's go to work, you know, friends, such people are not appointed to such positions at all. that's why we have to start, let's take it one at a time. i wanted to

finish you first. i don't know if you heard our conversation with andrii gujal, a member of the commission for the election of the head of sap, it turned out for me it was news that for six months from december the commission was waiting for confirmation regarding the compliance with the requirements of the laws of ukraine on the purification of power and the prevention of corruption, as well as on obtaining access to state secrets in accordance with the law on state secrets from the prosecutor general's office, and because of this, the winner is officially oleksandr klymenko, and since there was no confirmation of this in the prosecutor general's office from the prosecutor general's office, that's why the commission emphasized oleksandr klymenko as the winner of the competition as such an explanation. well, this is such a hoax , actually. sap is sitting on the banks and they have suspended here, er, the separate role of tatarov

is emphasized, who is a figure in the investigations, and it seems to me that he has a huge interest in monopolizing the entire er, well, this lawyer er the legal segment that he oversees, in fact, to raise under himself and for the purpose of such manual control of this sphere. and it is also interesting, volodymyr, what andriy gudzil said that if there is no confirmation, if the prosecutor general's office recognizes that klymenko does not fall under the requirements and laws on cleansing authorities to prevent corruption, there is also no admission to state secrets, then number two will be recognized as the winner - it's just put tatarov. i don't remember his last name anymore. well, that's the same game in by the way, this scenario reminds me a lot the scenario of the promotion of andriy yarmak, you remember how

the predecessor was quite scandalously appointed and everyone understood that it was not long ago, it also reminds of this same technique when the nominee who seems to nominally occupy the position even maybe as a result of the competition takes off after some time and er, just the right person is appointed to his place, he is proven in all er situations and is faithful, so to speak, to corporations, hospitals, his name is who received 229 points and second place. he is considered to have the attitude of a tatar, oleksandr klymenko, 246 points, even among to others, mr. volodymyr, is it not surprising to you, we talked about this today that they removed venediktova and suspended them well, at first they resisted, then they also removed bakanova and in their place came two people who both saw each other in the

beginning of september, on the day of the birth of tatarov himself this is vasyl malyuk, and who is papa simonenko, so who are we now, his prosecutor general, this is such a strange coincidence , they cannot be considered a coincidence, that is, lyudmila, i am . bohdan won't be in your position for long, and over there, behind the shoulder, uh, the trickster yermak looked. well, uh, in fact, the same was also behind the shoulder of uh, uh, what looked like a kid, oh, this grocer looked like a kid. well, simonenko also dictated from behind the shoulder and therefore it can be said that the one who, let's say, knows how to wait and deploys the right staff, uh, as a result, gets everything, but now look at the flock, control over the

sbu and now gets control over the prosecutor general 's office, that's not it, well, i'm simonenko, who was just a deputy. well, it's not quite in relation to the hierarchy does not quite correspond, so to speak, to the norms of ukrainian state-building, but i want to remind you. look, when the announcement of the resignation appeared, the benedictine part of the lawyers talked about the fact that klymenko cannot be appointed the prosecutor general, now it seems that it is becoming clear what the law about the appointment of a special anti-corruption prosecutor. it is not necessary, that is, it is not specified that the signature must be put exclusively by the acting prosecutor. but it seems to me that it was precisely planned to hang er, sap er and the sbu again, well, in such obscurity, i want to

remind you that when er, volodymyr zelensky, er, met joseph biden for the first time, and this visit was so brightly arranged, then zelensky assured under oath that a special anti-corruption prosecutor would be appointed by the end of the year and would the reform of the sbu has been launched, the reform of the sbu is buried, and it seems to me that the parliament does not even have the votes for it. similarly , the head of the sap is suspended now, well, it is very important to understand whether there was still a calculation that the acting official would not write and then this rain is still called for a long time, that is, the garden will be er-er innocently clarified the situation for at least six months well, there it will either fall or die , so to speak, volodymyr well, what do these personnel changes mean for the tatarov, more or less outlined,

and for us, for the ukrainians what does this mean for our euro-atlantic-european integration history, because the anti-corruption prosecutor's office is the key point here, and we are told about it openly and he promised himself. well, if zelensky is not responsible for his words, it means that with him will be well, let's say so mildly deteriorate the level of trust, so far the level of trust. that is, they will stop believing his words and will try to talk in ukraine with those people who know how to withstand taking on obligations. this story appeared with a, well, a big request to joseph biden on the part of victoria, and maybe victoria

was even guided by such selfish party interest, because she is close to trump's group, she is such a trumpist, but how many partners of ukraine reacted, and the funniest thing is how the thief's burnt hat ie the reaction of yermak and all his close friends from around whom an organized group rushed to sow doubts and suspicions on social networks, so under these circumstances, in fact, a situation like this is brewing when, even in the most difficult time of russian aggression, the ukrainian government begins to grow more and more teasing western partners, that is, if it was, for example, due to the fact that they are afraid

of certain reforms that will worsen their political situation . thimble with partners during the war, which, from the point of view of building trust, it destroys trust, it does not in any way strengthen trust, not especially between the usa and ukraine . macron, er, arise with er, a large number of questions, including ukraine, and the ukrainian authorities are beginning to rehearse to them that they are not fulfilling their obligations, but as they say, the aggressors will find the college crooked at night, that is, you had better look how do the ukrainian authorities keep their own

commitments and then they blackmailed or interrogated what is the matter with macron? what do you think the president is just busy now with the war, he does not see what is happening and what tatarov and yarmak are doing there, or does he not sanctify everything that is happening and that contradicts our of european integration, zelensky is now , as always, busy with himself and not with the war . the commander-in-chief and the minister of defense are busy with the war. the real active body remains the ministry of defense, the general staff in ukraine, everything else looks like the fifth wheel to the cart, which instead of helping to shape the circumstances of the great

ukrainian victory, they create a lot of additional such weights that do not allow these victories to rise and what is the fate in your opinion now bakan bakanov himself, what are the consequences of the special inspection or what is there now, the investigation that will continue in the leadership of the service, because i am quoting and reading about oleg kulinich, who was the head of the ukrainian security service the sbu administration in crimea, which was actually located in kherson, well, i read there, he was born in smila, cherkasy region, further, according to the ex-head of the sbu staff, igor huskov, he is a graduate of the academy of the fsb of the russian federation, and then he worked for tymoshenko in the state committee for land resources, and then , interestingly, the sixth-seventh year was the vice president of energoatom and at the same time, energoatom

was headed by do you remember who andrii derkach? the most interesting thing is that when zelenskyy on march 2 dismissed this oleg as his last name from the position of head oleg kulinich from the position of head of the crimean sbu bakanov appointed him as his adviser on special assignments of the head of the sbu well the fact is that in addition to kulinishch we have general naumov that the head of internal security in general, and what ended one touch, but here there is a very fundamental point. the fact is that even the head of the sbu in the crimean autonomous region is appointed to these positions by decree of the president was appointed by presidential decree by order of

bokanov, therefore all political responsibility and the appointment of naumov and kulinich, even without bakanov himself, is carried by zelenskyi. and no, and no, no . thank you, mr. volodymyr. people's deputy of ukraine p . mykola good health, we welcome you, now the meetings of the council are closed . and ivan bakanov, the news of venditova was well, in fact , she spoke quite decently, although i am in the opposition political force, and i treat the appointments of pro-government officials as secretive, but i give credit to vydyk, she was restrained and performed well. how do you assess these

resignations, were they carried out correctly, and what follows? well, there are two different resignations there are different approaches to them, the same situation with mr. bakanov, eh. because it was strange to me that after his resignation, even there, he wrote a post where he sees political persecution there as his achievement, for example. it seems wrong to me and you know about these detentions that took place , that is, i assume that it may be related to a security issue, although not necessarily. of the current legislation to the law of the prosecutor's office. if there was a relevant disciplinary commission that would have detected her violations, then on the basis of these violations, she could be removed. or if she went on maternity leave or did not pay alimony there, nothing like that happened yesterday

suspended this suspension was completely against the law and today the verkhovna rada voted well, as far as i know, and then it was written about in the press , by the way, at first she took such a principled position and said that the dismissal was also illegal, and then she allegedly said that she would remain in the team somewhere to work in the embassy. and she did not really resist this resignation, although the logic here is different. two different approaches to the expenditure and to the bacchanals, mr. mykola, regarding the two who are currently headed by the sbu and the prosecutor general's office - vasyl malyuk and oleksiy symonenko, respectively. the fact that these two people were filmed last fall by ukrainian journalists on the day of the birth of mr. oleg tatarov is this indicates that there is a conflict of interests. is it

just that, well, there is some kind of law enforcement team that is friends , communicates, celebrates birthdays? and then, of course, in a friendly manner, this is a video from this investigation that amicably places its members on certain high positions in the law enforcement agencies, you have a word, well, look, now he works for the president, and the fact that they have some kind of team playing, they put those people they know here, there is nothing strange in this, i don't see anything strange in the other, because i always like to look not at personality or not on people, although it usually plays a role and on the legal which these people fulfill or not or ignore so on if we talk about the acting prosecutor's office, then you are an interesting moment, today the commission determined the winner for the head of the special anti-corruption prosecutor's office this is what the european union demanded from us and continues to demand it as a condition of our admission to the european union, even candidacy was discussed

and now the final order on his appointment must be issued by the prosecutor general, not the acting prosecutor general, and there is no prosecutor general, this means that this the story drags on again, let's assume that the acting attorney general was appointed by the acting attorney general, in fact legally, and then anyone for whose detention or investigation against whom he is somewhere the sanction, then it will take 10 years to prove its rightness in the courts, the situation will be so confused that it will only be profitable for a corrupt person in this. i apologize for the serious problem for our european integration. you also compared the dismissal of venediktova with the dismissal of denisova, which also happened recently. what is the conclusion about what the manner of personnel rotations is evidenced. well, you know, it is very important that, firstly, the branches of government should be independent among themselves, and secondly, very often those people whose president is appointed to the verkhovna rada, they they leave the party, but i was once a member

of the national council of ukraine with the president of television and radio broadcasting, and i was delegated there by the party of reform and order, but i had no right to be a member of the party and i had to act mainly according to the law , that's how. there is no point, and the authorities want the ombudsmen and the prosecutor general to depend on them, and in this there are parallels, and from my point of view, they were removed in violation of the current legislation, to a greater or lesser extent, of course, this i'm a prosecutor, i'm a batman - this should be an independent person, and i just wrote this morning that when denisova was filmed , she allegedly motivated this and that. she gave false information about torture, rape and murder. and exactly the same information was presented in the osce report and voiced by the ambassador in the united states about the osce. so there is no evidence that denisova was lying. maybe she spoke too naturalistically. i don't like it either, but at least these facts were in the reports of international organizations and they are checked by them.

it turns out that denisov was fired for nothing except that it is generally illegal, as well as when the president or the top is happy, any branch of government concentrates its power in its hands and usurps this power and acts illegally using this power, of course there is a threat here of democracy and this is what worries me about the election and appointment of a new head of sap, we included andrii gudzhela literally half an hour ago, he is a member of the commission for conducting this competition and as he explained to us the main reason why the commission did not submit the winner to the prosecutor general for consideration of this competition is that before that the commission must receive confirmation from the prosecutor general's office regarding the compliance of the candidate who won with the requirements of the laws of ukraine on the purification of the authorities on the prevention of corruption and on his obtaining access to state secrets, and he said that we have been waiting for six months and as soon as this confirmation will

now come from the office, literally in accordance with the law within three days, and we will submit it to the prosecutors general of the prosecutor's office of our winner who won the competition in this matter or not opinion or when will the head of the soap workers be appointed in general, it is obvious that if the government wanted a head, it would have already been appointed, but to look for bureaucratic moments why this does not happen can be forever well, the commission would sometimes not meet, it would be a flounder or the members of the commission would not come, there were many different reasons why it is difficult for me to say the specific reason, but it is obviously the responsibility of the government that for how long we have not had an anti-corruption prosecutor, and i will say that there is none now, but now, as i have already said, the prosecutor general should appoint him, now the prosecutor general b we are not there, and he appointed an acting deputy, then they will sue for any of his procedural actions, these courts will win, so the situation is not completely resolved. well, today there was another appointment, today they appointed a new

head of the ministry of social policy, oksana zholnovych the parliament voted, and again the majority voted, not without the support of certain pro-russian forces in the parliament, and personally announced to the people that 209 votes would not be enough for this minister, as evidenced by this procedure and in general this story of the appointment of a new city how are you oksana zholnovych eh in the studio yes well first of all she is from lviv just like me and then she was from the office of the president eh oksana did one very good thing she offered the most experienced faction of the european of solidarity, she knew that we would not vote for her candidacy. since we do not participate in personnel appointments and dismissals, this is the principled position of our party, which is in the opposition, but despite this, she came and expressed her vision for the development of the ministry we discussed the main problems with her, and it honestly commands respect if she continues to be

professional, professional, and politically impartial, i think she can be a good minister, but time will tell, despite the fact that we did not vote for this candidate. oh, well, you do n’t go, brother, and you can’t all journalists close the council for journalists and it is not broadcast , which from my point of view is certainly wrong , and then it would be possible to show at least these recordings even not live if we are talking about security, yes, all these representatives of the former psg are the most patriots there, there is no greater supporter of the government than nestor shufrich, there is no person who says enough to vote, let's support the president together, as honorable nestor shufrich and his party colleagues, so that this is now the stronghold of the government party, among other things, nestor shufrich is he is still the head of the committee that directly concerns the protection of journalists on issues of freedom of speech, and somehow the question is no longer raised, well, nestor is the nestor of the committee and

the committee. the attitude is how should the head of the committee be changed or not? well, look, i am generally in favor of isolating representatives of pro-russian forces from politics, the law does not always allow this, because these people were elected, it is alleged that they cannot be there, it is alleged that nothing can be done with them , although a draft law was registered which who are former members of the psg and are these pro-russian parties, banned from being in the parliament while they are in the parliament. i understand that with the government. they agreed because they are the most supportive and always give the necessary votes when there are not enough votes, earlier these votes were given by the faction for the future, which was and is associated with igor kolomoiskyi, and therefore the faction for the future , they were very indignant that now their votes are no longer so valuable, it is more difficult to negotiate with them, and they even submitted a bill not to had the right to be deputies, former members of the polish people's liberation army, because they allegedly take away their bread like this, and this is of course a problem, because today they changed their colors, by the way,

not only they changed their colors, you know many journalists there, many other figures who were the pro-russians were preparing to come to this measure. and now the biggest patriots are a case. because this is a man who came in uniform and went to praise lukashenka . suddenly he started showing the id card of an employee of the gur of the main directorate of intelligence, and it turns out that we thought he was a spy, he turned out to be an intelligence officer, and then they printed they wrote that she was another stirlit, this evgeny appeared in red, then he also turns out to be a colonel, so that well, if it ever appears to us that they also recruited putin and this is a secret employee of the ukrainian special services, then it won't surprise me if it's azarov or one of them, because it looks, well, to say the least, it's strange for the last victim of the social media that if ivan chervonenko is a lieutenant colonel of gurmo, then medvedchuk is a general of gurmolenko. please tell me what was important today in the council that ukrainians should know the meeting

is closed, oleksiy kucherenko said yesterday that it is necessary to monitor the budget, they want to give money to naftogaz to pay off debts of billions of dollars, just an astronomical form was adopted, we adopted laws in the first reading that provide the poles with the following the same rights that ukrainians have on the territory of poland as the co-chairman of the ukrainian-polish inter- parliamentary group i congratulate the adoption of this law and i hope that in the second reading we will adopt it in full and 8 billion were not given there were not enough votes for this by the way, what do you think is possible the default of naftogaz of ukraine in this regard, how do i feel? i feel bad, and what is possible is difficult for me to say. because our economy today depends mainly on western borrowing and western financial support, also because unfortunately to a large extent it was destroyed by the russian aggressor and i think that with wise politicians we will be able to avoid default and pass the support that is available, but will this policy be wise or will our officials continue to look for corruption schemes, let's see, i don't

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