there should be a serious daily program that will leave the truth about the war and the senselessness of this war inside the russian army, this is a serious task that must be submitted to it seriously from the point of view of the content of the information from the point of view of delivery methods but this task to be solved is very important because the morale of the russian army is not she falls every day, of course, the main factor that affects this morale is the victories of ukraine and the great losses of russia. but it is very important to pour these losses into this living wound. the salt is such accurate information that you need to turn to your conscience and the instinct of self -preservation. russian soldiers and officers are simply talking about facts so that probabilities will die

quickly . the weak and vulnerable place of the russian army, if this is done successfully, it is not even such a fantastic option that morale can fall to such a low level that this army can simply disintegrate, and this was the most ideal the result is definitely in this war. and in your opinion, is it not necessary to also carry out the work among, well, if not the russians, then the nationalities living on the territory of russia, because we already see certain moments opposite in the same buryatia when the women of the military leave and they say well, if i were to quote this word to koli, but it fits here, it is necessary to carry out the work. both in and on the territory of russia, it is very

important to carry out this work on the territory of the donbass and krylyma, but first of all in the army, and the army differs from the rest of the of principle, when muscovites or um, uh, i don’t know, gorgov residents sit in front of their tvs, the peace of their homes and listen to russian propaganda, detached from the war, it’s one thing, they believe in these fairy tales, they are calm, don’t touch them, but when people fall in ukraine, these soldiers stop believing these fairy tales because they see what is really happening, they see that there are no nato troops standing at the borders of russia, they must attack it, they see that there are no nazis and no genocide, and most importantly they see what their own army is doing, that it

destroys peaceful people. women against it, that is, the russian army already believes less in propaganda than people inside russia, because it simply faces the realities of this war, but what can be done to make people stop believing in this propaganda in our country now on the screen is the question of when russia will collapse, and this question is precisely about the fact that, well, russia is actually this huge territory, it's not russia , it's a bunch of occupied lands, which, in essence, belong to russia only because it owns them so it once occupied itself, having done its part. in your opinion, is this process of disconnection of these small or smaller states and the declaration of their independence possible in today's realities? i just want to hear your opinion on this. even political decisions how does he tell the truth about

what is happening, the main thing is that it is necessary to speak in russia about the complete senselessness of this war and that people are dying for what, because putin himself cannot determine the goals of this war, they they themselves can no longer say what exactly and why they are fighting in odessa . what is the russian army fighting for? it's simple, and putin changes these goals every day, depending on what's happening at the front . we don't need anyone in russia, not in beets, not in well,

this is how i say it, it's not that a few spoke, a few people will say it must be a powerful and serious program, and i will try to do it, and my friends, for my part, so that america supports this program and the financial and technical means that are necessary for this, but again, the initiative must be from ukraine, especially when it comes to a program within the russian army, it simply cannot be implemented without the help of the ukrainian army, which must provide data, by the way, this is very valuable material for this program, it is intercepted conversations of which there is a lot of ukrainian military intelligence, they also give very good information about the mood inside the russian army, about what they are worried about, what people are afraid of, and so on and so forth , this information is the golden thing is that you don’t

need to work with serious people who understand, who analyze, on the basis of which they compose good text handling and other things, it’s serious things, it’s a serious program, and it’s delivery people have information there are mobile phones of the russian military and you can use them, you can use them, you can do it, you can do it with drones, you can spread a leaflet from a drone, you can eat many meters, but again, you have to do everything seriously, and this is very important, this is an ideological war, this is a geological war , an information war is not so important by the way, they understand it very well, they are direct descendants of the soviet union, and pay attention, they enter any village, the first thing they start with is this information, they put the player prohibits ukrainian

information with love, they change everything so that they hear only them and do not hear anything about ukraine because they understand the importance of this thing ukraine does not do enough of this yet, i understand that it is difficult to have all the strength yes, this is a difficult situation, there are few resources, but this aspect is impossible no don't give anything to your opinion. thank you for this. you know, it 's important to understand whether the russians are ready to hear the truth now, because judging by what we sometimes read . well, let's see how i am. i just want to say one thing. it is impossible to talk about the russians in terms of reality in the army as a whole even if it is 10 or 15%. you will hear all this, this is enough for the army to lose . unfortunately, we have to interrupt already, but we have heard the main opinion

. russia turned its artists into drg, says film director mykhailo illenko, in order to introduce its culture around the world. russia actively bought poets, musicians and composers, vilyenko paven now we need to get rid of the narratives imposed by russia , we need a complete moratorium on everything russian , let's listen to the film director, they told us tales about how good they are, how humane they are, soldiers , a soldier will not hurt a child. interview at the first. thank you for agreeing. you have achieved

terrodefense. of course, when you made this decision, on what emotions did you praise that you will also go somewhere and exchange the camera for a machine gun? i have them together. they are a camera. a machine gun. well, in fact, if you go there with a camera, without a weapon, it ’s somehow unnatural there, it will just be. it’s wrong. i served a long time ago in the soviet army. i remember something primitive and immoral there, but we were ready that we would really have to lead a straight line. contact fire with the enemy, i will tell you that a weapon is a weapon, if there is a weapon, if there is one, it can be handed over, it can be anything, and i try not to give in to some romantic or other emotions, but this is just a new situation, a new reality, have you been to donbas before? ah, when the war started, 8 years ago,

you mostly drove along the front line. you used to show your paintings of those who passed through the fire, and not only this film, but what feelings do you have now when you drive along the front line? if before you traveled as a cinematographer, well, everything has changed a lot, now it’s a really hot phase, and during the time that i was there, i filmed lysychansk for the last time and moved a little to the other side, it’s directly near severodonetsk, lysychansk , were you there somewhere on the eve of the brutal battles or during a tough enterprise, things happened so that a very kind person flew to lysychansk. i'm not talking about severodonetsk there, mmm, the front-line guys used to come and tell me. i managed to shoot something. it's already very serious, and there are losses and there is a victory. the main thing is that the victory of morality is because it's

banal sounds but me to my country and they don't know why they came, do you have some things after this trip that you don't get out of your emotional head that hit you hard, well, with age, there are slightly different perceptions, i can't say that i i'm shocked and traumatized by what i saw, but when today you see a person and tomorrow he's gone, well , it can't help but stop, time, and another very positive impression. i was impressed by what interesting people are fighting there. i'm not talking about the moviegoers . in the dugout it's already on the other side well, across the bridge, a young guy, mykhailo gerasimich, tells me what are you doing here, our graduate, here he is fighting three actors from the movie toloka, which i also

showed while there was an opportunity in the war, three actors are fighting, it's amazing and in general, it's just there very interesting people, this impressed me even from the first time when i was in pisky in the 15th year. and i would even say that these are deeply intelligent people, they are a little emotionally detached, but when you start talking, for example, i met there e lyubchyk call sign lyubchenko lyubchyk he started asking me about cinema and i wasn't able to answer all the questions, he's just not just a movie buff, he's not just a collector he also knows a lot about ukrainian cinema and how do they know history, you can just sit there and listen to some facts which simply

i didn't even imagine how they know literature but of course it's as if it's a parallel world and the main thing is that they are fighters and you mentioned your former students and what did you study as a dean and what do you feel when you see students at the front of course it's such a kind of incompatibility but imagine it was a few years ago, uh, i'm getting a master's degree and a guy comes up to me and says, well, i studied at the theater director's theater school , i want to graduate from your school, i want to make a movie. well, i ask him, well, where are you from now? i fought for four months. and now it means that i am a civilian and there is a student sitting in front of me and it is not known who can teach whom and what, and

this is the student andriy ivanyuk. i met him right on the first day when he appeared in the theater. andrii ivanyuk's eyes. i say to andrii. well, come on, here i was trying to teach you something. and here you are, teach me. now come on , teach me, and i saw how much experience he has, how he is , here i am, how he appeared in the position, how he prepared himself, how he prepared the position as he suggested as he explained he explained that it was an experience of a year and four months on the front line, then he shot a film, an orientalist, this is his film, you know, we see such a parallel to cinema in your conversations war, cinema can be a tool in war, it is a weapon well, if we take a classic example

of our enemies, they are art training, artistic training well, that’s the way it was. if specifically since 1991, but earlier , of course. invested and rocked rocked us literally on the 23rd, many people said yes, no, how come. well, these are brothers. well, what do you say, who is going to attack us, well , fear god. so, of course, these are weapons. and i convinced you many times when i was driving films i didn't just drive my own, i drove student films, they are very interesting, and yes, there is a shortage of ukrainian heroes - this is traditionally something from the times of the soviet union, because

remember the estonian hero in the soviet film , even lyubchyk, the one who knows about cinema, will not remember everything because there were no heroes only russians only who russia has won, but now we need well, it is already happening, heroes are already appearing, there are already many films that tell about the ukrainian hero, we need to expand this front, support it, because without a hero, see how we can make sure by the example of hollywood, without a hero, something is not a movie does not really captivate the viewer. and if we talk about culture in general in boris johnson’s book about churchill, he mentions such an interesting historical fact, when during the war he was asked why britain invests such crazy money in culture and not sends them to the front, so churchill asked

a counter-question, and what are we fighting for then, ah, actually, i have a question for you. why, when we have a war in the country now, why is cultural identification important to me now, this is such a question that i, excuse me i constantly promoted it, emphasized it, my password. stranger, it’s as you said, it’s exactly identification - it’s what they call the national idea, which is somehow mysterious, and uh, very often, well, at least i often had to hear it in russian, so, so, so. national idea well, it's as if it's a simple formula here, for example, the square of the hypotenuse with the rabbin, the square

of the sum of the square of the legs, let's not say it's a formula and it can be very easily confused, but everything in principle is enough . it's clear, well, first of all, it's completely pointless to address this question to politicians, it's not their job to form the national idea, the national idea is formed by poets lina kostenko, for example, a few measures of skoryk's music, quotes, aphorisms from movies, and all this little by little, this protective wall builds the national idea this is a very complex substance the empire always cared about this very seriously and bought poets, directors, musicians, composers , and they were, well, people of steel, basically they

couldn't help but sing their own, and the empire already selected there. well, for example . all but today he can come to bucha and shoot a child, but with his mind he does not understand russia. that's what you think, you think just like that, i came to shoot him. yes, fools don't understand with their minds, but that 's how it was engraved with an arshin, in general, it will not measure in it there is a special gender in russia, you just have to believe, this is one millionth part of the russian national idea, and there are a lot of such fragments, stolen, not stolen, and so on. we need to compose this national idea in a good sense, a national

myth. yes, but uh, you have to invest in it and invest, as he said, churchill became money, you have to invest money, but considering what you just said about these bought poets, artists, talented people , what has russia turned its culture into? well, how practice shows that this is some kind of nightmarish paradox, and the culture is known throughout the world, it is advertised, it is studied, it used these people. maybe they did not even suspect how the events would unfold, but the empire turned them into a drug that runs through language, through samples of brilliant art,

the main tool, of course, is language, which is very easy then return against any country russia there where русский язык всё это тоже honor of the national day russia there where русский язык dot and they come you recently addressed of russian colleagues and in a video message in one and you mentioned there about your teacher who you have at the age of a-a and you mentioned such a moment well, he is this teacher, he taught you to distinguish fascism. by the smell , you understood what fascism is now. to say that this is of course a bit of an exaggeration . mykhailo numimur then shot ordinary fascism and it was a film that really taught me on an intuitive level , well, to perceive these signals, i would be happy if

i had such a smart phone, i would quickly write a script about chuiku about something the moment we fell asleep, we started covid. well, when i was sick with caroling. well, like everyone else, i didn't smell smells. and this covid is a little different - it's when the soul, when a person stops feeling the enemy, they tell us , well, it's a brother, you're a younger sister. well, come on. we will now come here and sit at the table with you. that means so and and we hung up our ears and we have to learn from well, sorry, but from a wild animal, he does not ask for tips from the politicians there. that means some historical references, he just

sits next to him. yes and he already found it here his back is in the mountains and this animal. well, for example , a wolf. yes, he knows what to do with this enemy, he does not wait for the enemy to pull out a knife . because we have been taught to be patient, well, we burned down the house, well, we are collecting clay from the neighbors and it is standing again. well, when will unya- one day he will run out of matches, they will not run out. you were born in moscow. they remember you, are you

talking to someone now? there was no sense during the war, and there were no contacts. it seems to me that around the 16th year, an acquaintance called. well, he is older in age, so he is more familiar. well, choose yura, but we are acquaintances. well, he says so good-naturedly, no, it was before the 14th. misha says good-naturedly, "well, what's up?" you're buzzing there on the streets well, it's not serious, well, the conversation didn't work out, well, goodbye, and then somewhere in the 16th year, he called me. i felt that he had a different tonality, he didn't say it directly, but i

understood him. in the end, it sounded between the lines, you’re simple of course, that’s why this all started, it’s terrible, that’s the summary, and there were no more contacts. well, i have a classmate , nikita mikhalkova. what does good russian speak to me with him? now on to this the question is, well, he announced a moratorium, but we will win , then we will go back there and very, very seriously. we need to consider, and now is not the time to make friends. they simply kill indiscriminately. do you want a child? do you want a fighter? in general, a moratorium on everything russian right now, a moratorium on everything, yes,

a moratorium, well, it’s just natural, by the way, it would save us from the humiliating ones there and this is what he said. and no, that’s good. and tomorrow he said it’s time, oh no, then we’ll cross it out. and the day after tomorrow, he’s still putin i cursed, then it means again, well, it’s all nonsense. i understand, let’s go back to the cinema. how much did the war either reject or perhaps advance us in the development of cinema, and i think that one illusion, er, well, if it started to retreat. she was very aggressive. i’ve heard it many times, but now war and you know, filming against war is generally a conjuncture, and besides, it needs to go away, so we will win and then we will film about the war. who wins, watch how they

win and then film about how they won . is repentance was already there, such a very interesting line , one of the characters asks and this street leads to the temple. and they answer him, and there is no temple on this street, and he asks again. and why is there a street on which there is no temple, so why shoot a movie today if it is not leads to victory and i'm not saying that it's necessary to shoot everything everything is in the trenches, the winner, the hero can be a dog, it can be a child, it can be our present here, it's not on the front line, but there must be a hero, there must be a victory, it's transforming now, this is a movie, you see it all before your eyes it also happens in ours. well, it also appeared in

recent years, uh, there was generally such a wave, then it decreased a little, then it began to gain momentum again, films began to appear, uh, just what i think they worked for victory, and what kind of movie does the audience need now if perhaps you have such an imagination, perhaps there is a feeling of everything except depressing and destructive hm cinema which today blurs ratings and destroys the scale of values, unfortunately it is very popular at international festivals and that is why we have such an imbalance, the final question is what do you see the victory of ukraine and this is the question i turned to the dogs who directly risk their lives every day, the majority says the complete liberation of ukraine from the scum. yes, i quote there, i have the

complete liberation of our borders right in the frame. i think that this would be the balance. what well, someone will say no to sakhalin that means kuban. well, kubentu, here it is. someone will say to the line on february 24, you see here such riots , chataniya, and specific such fighters, they say complete liberation from the scum of our territory. as our secretary of the nsdc and the head of intelligence say to the borders in 1991, yes, everything was there, in the end, everything was decided there, so be it. thank you very much for the interview. i thank you too. thank you. it was a very interesting interview. i was interested after the victory. we invite you again

. god willing, thank you, we'll bandage it, we'll bandage it, we'll win that you're not news, together we're strong, what's next, let's talk about the challenges that ukrainians are dealing with because of the war, but not only, unfortunately, out of almost three million ukrainians with disabilities, uh, 143,000 left their homes to save themselves those who left from the war in some places, in a new place, they are dealing with the inaccessibility of infrastructure, that's just what the representative of the president of ukraine on barrier-free issues tetyana lomakina says, igor chevron talked with her in particular about this issue , so we listen to those who called