already destroy the hpp itself and this is already a little bit of an ecological disaster well, the problem with let's say this with everything what is there downstream that's why they may be there, but even under these conditions after the fall of the antonov bridge, i hate the russian command already at home about how to find a way to sew because the question not even in the fact that defeat or victory is the question even in that what will be the price of defeat for not even for the russian troops for the russian government because when they show the captured russian general there, he was by 1.4 or several hundred captured russians, this will be a bit of a blow for them, it will greatly hinder positioning themselves as a great power. let's say so, for now. as far as i know, the russians, on the contrary, are trying to pull some new forces to the south. kherson is uncertain there. kherson may be somewhere there, they are dispersing them. well , they were some such reports that uh, they are tightening up uh, well, they are trying to bring someone else down

some new parts uh, well, in the end, uh, they are planning a referendum for september, how it will all be combined in them, i honestly don't know. well, on in that case, how much can we talk about before this referendum is held about the possibility of a ukrainian contrast? i like this question. what do you think, mr. vertsner ? to control i think of course of course of course as if well, it is necessary for the referendum to pass honestly and that's what it's all about and to be honest with you i'm sorry and pass uh, you can't write off only the russian army in kherson that's why uh, that's why you're judging actions in order to at least give a reference, i think i will be there, uh, i absolutely agree that if uh, if this bridge is taken out of

operation, then uh, it will be logical for the russians to leave the city. and what can we still expect from the russians for half a day of surprises or some other things, well, for example , if we talk about the zaporizhzhia region, it is known that they are trying to place their artillery there and something else on the territory of the zaporizhzhia npp er, well, it’s not zaporizhzhia, it’s visible and shorter, eh , can it change something? well, eh, viktor trigubab, what do you think about this? they can’t just post it . like the fact that we will beat you with the zaporizhzhia npp and you will only try to

attack it in this direction, we will immediately accuse you of violating direct nuclear safety. therefore, it is more like blackmail, i don't think anything will grow from this, but they yes, that's how they troll so viciously in our country. well, on the other hand, we can troll them. in other directions, so let people take their souls away. there is so little happiness in life. if we talk about the general course of hostilities, now i have the impression that uh the russians have essentially moved to such a stage of the war, which is called giving nightmares to the civilian population, because in fact the shelling of the ukrainian territory that they are currently conducting, well, to a certain extent, they are not even targeted anymore, but literally, oh, where did god go chaotic to a large extent and aimed precisely at the fact that the civilian population suffered as much as possible

, on the one hand, and if you look at the number of missiles, the number of missiles released is, in principle, less than it was, well, even there two months ago, and is this really, well, let's say this , you can consider it as a deliberate tactic. is it just some kind of hysterical actions? how do you think it is, from the point of view of even well, comparing it with other wars where similar tactics were actually used, eh, yes, eh- e a certain decrease in the number of er, so to speak, new missiles used by er russia on the last day far from being accurate, they use converted missiles of the complex of 300, that

is, air defense missiles that hit the ground target of the bastion coastal complex. it was not. this is probably the first example when such weapons are brought to the knees, and so to speak, and fuses and certain substances are transformed into something else. therefore, they expect that they will soon run out of missiles, and i would not have missiles. - they will be around for a long time. but for sure the missiles will have certain problems with them, since they cannot today establish the normal production of these missiles . and there will be more of them there are many questions for mr. tregubov. well, in such a war against the population, do the russians have any chance of a

war against the population? and in general, what can they achieve here? well, they can’t achieve anything, in fact, sometimes i get the impression that they are just really they judge themselves, because it is strange to read for a long time, not even for a simple reason, there are some grandmothers from odnoklassniki, from the russians, like the military, like analysts, why are ukrainians actually not afraid when their various objects are impressed there? what is it with us, if we even have any fear , then this fear is mobile, it sounds like an understanding that if these scoundrels are hitting civilian objects, what will they do if we let them reach these objects in multiples, so it is more of a mobilizing effect has on ukrainians and soldiers and the ukrainian civilian population and intimidate ukrainians with rockets, they are just heads, ukrainians do not work like that, ukrainians , if a rocket falls on the head, then the ukrainian begins to think that something must be done and somehow kill

the enemies more so that they cannot do it, but no, no capitulate or put pressure on zelensky or something else. let's reconcile with them somehow, maybe the russians will judge for themselves. i don't know if i wanted to add to the kherson topic, we skipped it, but i just forgot to say that in fact, if the supplies were to be brought after the collapse of the antonov bridge uh, through kakhovka there is also a bridge over the ingulets there, you have to cross the ingulets, it is a small river and the ingulets is not such a big river, but if this bridge falls on it, and it will most likely fall instantly, because it is simply not the right one scale, then the supply, uh, actually, there won’t be anymore well , that’s why well, how to drag it there, that’s why antonov place remains a key artery in general, and even air supply is not particularly anywhere or what well, you see the airport, mmm, you yourself understand what

the problem is, therefore, yes, and about nightmares well, nightmares and nightmares are common russian tactics, especially since they have really run out of final weapons if they use the same anti- ship missiles with plus-minus-99 accuracy, so we can’t expect that they won’t to express themselves, they are objects, they are simple, even if the russians will not set such a target they were still civilian objects simply because of the deflection of those rockets, they are now used in some way waiting unfortunately well, here we can only advise everyone to be very careful with air uh, worries because well, it really just flies in such a chaotic way, anywhere you know, i want us to talk a little bit, today there is a meeting uh, online in this uh, rammstein 4 format, and it is obvious that we are there

we are expecting some supplies again. maybe there are supplies. and literally the latest news about the supply of weapons was, for example, that on the one hand, the new us aid package, which will be approved this week in the amount of 700 million dollars, and where there will also be mercy, maybe more something interesting, the french announced that six french self-propelled caesar howitzers are already on their way to ukraine, or maybe they just sent them. the minister of foreign affairs , katrin kolona, ​​said that we made a choice in favor of not reporting full information about our military contribution and we keep this information for our partners, so if they said that six should go, then maybe something else is happening there. well, hungary also made an interesting statement by their deputy minister of foreign affairs laventa magyar eh hm said that

hungary eh will not supply weapons to ukraine, but is ready to pass supplies from partners through its territory. this is somewhat interesting and new. i think that, after all, the minister of defense of germany, christine lamberg, said that it is precisely in germany that weapons to help ukraine are partying in the background the fact that polish politicians are literally also on well, that's about it. it seems that it was a week ago when they said that there is no real threat to us. because the entire threat from russia to nato countries, whatever it is, all the potential offensive potential of russia has been exhausted in ukraine and that's why the poles believe that, on the contrary, it is necessary to give weapons to ukraine without leaving large stocks on the territory of nato countries, because now it is the primary ukrainian

supply of weapons for ukraine. what do you think we should expect from this ramstein four what what it can be. well, probably, let’s go. well, i would very much like to. i would like to see in this situation 4, uh, an agreement on the delivery of uh missiles to ukraine for the imax system and other emulators on uh na na more long-range distance will seriously increase the magical arm of the russian group and seriously resemble ukraine's preparation for the contour offensive, this is what i really wanted to see. besides, of course, there are more systems, there are more such systems, there are more tanks, which will come in handy very much uh, during the offensive, and so on, and so on. and the main thing is, uh, the increase in the pace of supplies, the increase in supplies there is a key moment, because there is now a certain race between russia and ukraine, uh, the

russian is trying to uh , as quickly as possible canned old soviet weapons that they have left in their warehouses in large quantities and lead him there to bring him a sick mini-body ready to use in ukraine, but the ukrainians want to get the weapons as quickly as possible that are needed for the first er, in some areas, stop on the movements of the russian army, in some areas, er, go into a counter-offensive, of course. and we, viktor trigubov, and what do you think? well, that is, what are your expectations regarding this, especially considering that there are some new dates that appear, as if russia is putting out something, but by february we have to finally capture everything that they are there, well, that is, now it is february, god, they

can put out any dates at all . it is for internal use propaganda, we can already see that western weapons are gamerackers for the ukrainian conflict, the ukraine of the russian war, because we have already stopped the russians, in fact, we forced them to an operational paste. a month ago maybe it would be a little easier for us with lysichansk, but now we really have a situation where the russians have greatly lost logistical, first of all, capacity, and because of this it is very difficult for them to build up their own aggression, it is very difficult to work further in various direction, this creates prerequisites for us to comment on the offensive

. voices that say that let's not annoy russia. let's just stop it, and then somehow you go politics. we know very well what this means since the 14th year. it means that in fact, let's give up a whole part of the ukrainian territories, it's not us. suits well, but it doesn't suit us actively. i mean , it is necessary for each of us. that's why we need to actually evaluate our current strength and look at the topic . including western politicians , in my er deep opinion but we have a very humble opinion where er it can be done except that i still have a strong military impression on russia right now when we simply won't be talking about it, let's

not humiliate russia will already be transferred well, in principle, we have the possibilities for this. no, i won’t announce anything now, but it seems to me that we have these possibilities, we have the possibility to inflict more and more severe damage on russia than simply changing it there. this is what i want to change, which is important, but still small and we have the opportunity to demonstratively humiliate russia. it seems to me that this is exactly what we need to work on now. and even the weapons that have already been given to us, which we already have, i think that this will help a lot, i don't know if it will be enough, but it will help a lot it helps, uh, from this point of view, top what do you think, do you have the opportunity to watch the western press, the statements of some western politicians, is this really a turning point, when there is an understanding of what must happen, russia must not be stopped from defeating russia, that is, is it still no, but there are just your

impressions. it seems to me that today we are already very close to this turning point, that is, we have seen both of these generators of the western process. probably the majority of western careers are inclined to the fact that russia must be stopped, russia must lose this war, if russia does not lose this war, then the world order will change completely, the entire world order will change, and it seems to me that the leaders are beginning to understand this more and more. and the world order proposed by russia, well, this is a continuation of your opinion, but here it seems to me that putin’s trip to iran, together with the turkish president, seems to be telling everything well, i'm actually interested in how it looks, what

do you think, how does it look, especially from the point of view of israel? how is putin's demand to build a new center of influence, a world center of influence for this, you will be involved in all possible allies that is, wounds are already an ally of russia, yes, well, they are fighting the rebels in syria, running around. the bloody regime of mercedes is today. putin is clearly interested in the supply of iranian drones, which, er, can take a serious walk, by the way, in the theater of hostilities uh, that's why turkey, as it were, is actually not there, not here, and russia will do its best to attract its own, at least partially, uh , to this wasp. around putin , iran, er, will increase naturally, yes, they will try to influence some global processes

with the help of these countries, to what extent they will not succeed in this, but i strongly doubt it. they continue uh, my old line, the only thing new in this case is russia's request to accept the iranian experience well, yes, here is something new. now it is not iran that will bury weapons in russia, on the contrary, russia is trying to buy something from iran , and can it really affect the actual course of hostilities? it is possible. in this way, the russians are preparing for a new offensive. these drones go to hell then these stupid, they are going back to russia, and uman for

me is rather bright that the russians will really run out of their own reserves, and secondly, there is no possibility of their effective and timely renewal, this is good, this is actually good, but we have to understand that russia will try to scrape out of all for a long time stockpiles, er, the fact that we went to iran is actually a good thing. this means that it was not possible to find suitable analogues or it was not possible to agree on them with the chinese, because it would be much easier with the chinese, so we will see. maybe how russia in latin america is looking for something. it's my opinion . of course it's a problem, but this problem in itself is a positive sign. it means that they're running out on their own . which referendum in which september amuses me a lot , it is impossible to hold a referendum if you do not know in

that territory it will be held therefore, for the time being , we, on the part of the russians, see on the one hand the exhaustion of our own resources on the other hand big bluff russia is very powerful in terms of bluffing and it is trying to sell this bluff and we all observe it, including in the strategic communications used by russia, so i would not be very nervous let's say this because of what they do and what they say it follows that they have problems, but erdoğan's participation in all these meetings, well, actually not only in these meetings, but also turkey's participation in what concerns the export of grain from ukraine, an attempt in some way by the russians under on this occasion, something is demined there to remove something there, and in principle, to what extent, i have already heard such an opinion that to what extent there may be a desire under

uh, in the sauce of what needs to be taken out of ukraine, uh, to announce some kind of cessation of hostilities somehow locally, especially in the south, for example, as much as possible this idea is to be promoted by the russians to what extent it can even pass on such a topic well who well let's start it with mr. september well it might be well we have to take it out let 's make a truce for the russians well it might even be profitable i would be in my place parties this is exactly what he pressed, well, look. here, for example, yes . well, of course, in quotation marks, look at how bad ukrainians are, they don't want to solve the world food supply. there is a referendum there calmly and we hope to bring out the grain,

trade, earn money, feed the starving , everything is ok, we will not interfere with this. for now, we will act in other directions. where we have certain tactics there operational advantages absolutely absolutely absolutely logical things and i will say more that uh, many people in europe i don't have a video, even politicians, i mean just playing, well, he will believe it, as if, well, as if, what's wrong in principle, yes, in the ceasefire, even where then er, in one area, however, ukraine is extreme, i don't think that it will be very effective, actually ,

er , from the ukrainian side. this is something that can be done again the cargoes are being rescued not from kherson, they are leaving from odesa , so what kind of ceasefire can we talk about here, then we can only talk about the demand for russia not to attack these cargoes, logical, logical, because they are all going, and they are all going to the territory where there are no longer hostilities the fact that the coast of the western coast of the black sea itself has already been partially repaired, as it were, along the danube, although again, i am not entirely responsible for the logistics, so i cannot say, but here we are talking about the fact that russia should not attack these cargoes, or about what these cargoes must have some kind of appropriate escort, maybe countries, but kherson. kherson is of no use here. in this case, somehow privat24 can’t talk about the fact that let’s not attack kherson, but in order to renew the supply. so you

will. and i, well, i i am absolutely convinced that in this situation that we have now in the ukrainian government, the ukrainian government will not agree to this, and even more so, the ukrainian military command will not agree , so why should we freeze the situation in the direction in which we have a real operational advantage and for so that the russians still have a lot of civilian ships. well, everything will somehow be too deep negotiations with the terrorists. i would say, well, you can offer the russians a ceasefire in the odessa region if they want. no, not really . they are simply afraid that rockets will start arriving there and they will start sending more there sooner or later, so we have somewhat fulfilled the strategic goal that we have had since the 90s

to transfer such a black sea fleet new russian well, look, for example, you already said literally now that it is possible. we will have to advance and show effectiveness even without such a drastic increase in western aid in weapons. it seems to me that this could really be such a turning point, but mr. how do you think ukraine is in the state it is in now? well, what if, for example, there are no radically new supplies, is it possible to really conduct an offensive and show something that will change this idea of ​​deterring russia on the fact that it is necessary not just to restrain it, but to defeat it in this way. are there any elements that still need to be

obtained? uh, so to say delays well, how would i do it, if i a ----------------------------- yes, and they will slowly surprise the enemy more and more it's clear, viktor. and what do you say? well, let's say that if the rockets don't come, there are some new weapons, as a combined longer distance, this distance is enough for us, and now there are works of our weapons in order to really show some such unexpected growth for the result for russia, it seems to be enough at this stage. it seems to me, at

this stage, it is enough for at least uh, one or two serious blows to the positions of the russians , for, let's say, to start certain counterattack cultural actions uh, this can to be enough again. i am not diligent, i do not fully understand the situation, but i think so, taking into account the fact that we already have what my friends who are artillerymen say to me, what my friends in other countries say to me, actually to give birth. i think that there is such a possibility for now, well then, let's still hope that we get something more and more interesting, uh, well , let's count on our own strength, and we'll count on what's possible, after all, yes, we will have some interesting news in the near future or not the closest but somehow so well, it was viktor verkhnen,

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