but bread in the kryvyi rih district of the dnipropetrovsk region is a purposeful obstacle to gathering, i am impressed by your opinion. it is one thing when in the course of hostilities shells hit the fields and it may not be realized that way, but when you are engaged in such an active war and so, unfortunately, they really suffer, we constantly see new photos every day when crops are destroyed there wheat or in the kharkiv region or in donetsk or luhansk or in the south of ukraine, but here, uh, i am sure that uh, the military saw that these are combine harvesters, that they are not military equipment, and accordingly, it was a deliberate act of terrorist aggression. such things are normal here, again, this is already yes, this is absolutely unacceptable, and you know it, when in mariupol, russian e-e

tanks just shot point-blank at residential buildings, fully understanding that there are people there and that there are absolutely no military facilities. the same situation is possible here. food security it also falls under some international conventions , it can somehow be qualified separately from the fact that they shoot clearly aimed at civilians every day in all cities, all this is actually part of the same war crimes and violations of the rules of warfare absolutely and constantly. and you too, i think i saw it in the news, i don’t know in the last few weeks, what happened in some regions of ukraine once again, it flies somewhere in an agricultural enterprise , animals die and people are injured, destruction, destruction of infrastructure, and it’s not only about elevators, yes indeed, about operating some farms, including animal farms, respectively. these are simply war

crimes and they must all be recorded and they must all then be in this register of war crimes . should be simply brought to justice. they should answer in court. they should sit in a ukrainian prison. this is the least that can be done. and the plus is that this is a criminal not only against ukrainians, because the food security of ukraine is another part. the security of europe and not only in other countries of the world, in fact, the situation is already quite difficult in some countries. by the way, we already see africa and not only africa. by the way, olga, very briefly, but today and tomorrow in istanbul, a global economic forum dedicated to ukraine will be held and the issue will be considered restoration of ukraine in investment trade opportunities for solving problems of regional and global logistics supply chains e-e hmm two words about this forum, do you know what concrete consequences can be

positive for our country, for our economy, for production, this business forum is taking place, and representatives of the ukrainian etp ukrainian business are in istanbul, and this is quite a good initiative , in my opinion. in fact, by the way, talk about some plans and some restoration and some investments when the active phase has not yet ended and people are dying every day , these reactions and infrastructures and economic objects and everything else are still going on, but here it is dialogue and again the fact that turkey has come forward as a party willing to organize a suitable platform for business communication is extremely important because we must not lose our place in the global economic system and not lose our place in these global chains, not only in agriculture, but in all areas of the economy. therefore,

we will follow what will happen there. thank you, olga trofimtseva, former minister of agrarian policy and food of ukraine and doctor of agrarian sciences thank you very much ms. olga volodymyr yelchenko joins the conversation ukrainian diplomat former permanent representative of ukraine to the un this is the 15th to the 19th year of the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states in 2020-21 years congratulations mr. volodymyr good day good day glory to ukraine glory to the heroes oleksandra kraev , an expert of the ukrainian foreign policy council also joins prisma, we congratulate oleksandr yes, i congratulate you on a good day. to secretary of state anthony blinkin with a call to declare russia a state sponsor of terrorism , otherwise the congress will do it, the politician writes about this with

reference to his two sources for the task, the band warned blinkin during a telephone conversation between them earlier this week, representatives of the state department and the office of pylos refused to comment . congress yes, the secretary of state has the right to declare another country a state and a sponsor of terrorism, some members of the congress alone say that legislators can pass a law on the recognition of any country without the participation of the state department, thereby putting pressure on the president of russia, putin, independently, your assessment is, vladimir , how and when exactly can this happen ? the fact is that uh, well, this is a kind of internal american kitchen, hmm , in fact, according to american

law, the decision to include and add to the list of terrorist states or to declare a state as a theory to tourists is approved by the us secretary of state uh, personally, this decision is a technical matter, what are the reasons for this, he can do it both independently and with the recommendation of the congress of actions , really, that is, there are probably some internal discussions about how to do it most efficiently and quickly. well, the main thing is that you know, it is one thing to sign this decision, for example , it is another matter that the americans need to prepare for this, because it is such a complex technical process, because we do not just want russia to be announced and the whole world to be happy about it. why now is russia a terrorist, but in fact it entails very big consequences for the american government in the first place, and in the second place for all

other countries of the world, because if a country is declared to be included in such a list, it means that it is actually forbidden to have any business with it eh matters are relations eh and eh automatically eh all other states all other foreign companies are warned that if they continue, for example, to trade there with some sensitive goods or something else, then they automatically fall under the sanctions of the united states of america. that is, it is a really complicated thing. it is even. i would say that it is worse than just another round of sanctions because it limits certain areas. let's say that it is the economic activity of russia or trade. and here we will already be talking about such a very wide spectrum. so i think that right now

there is a pause related to these, that preparations are underway for the implementation of such a decision, mr. oleksandr, maybe we talked about it yesterday, it seems that the apprehension and delay are related to because it is really a process getting out of such a status will be so difficult for all parties, including there and for economic relations, that some in the states think that well, let it dry out right now, the war will somehow end and we will not resort to such a step, because then leaving it will be much more complicated, the process will be much longer, and the losses for everyone can be much more significant than just waiting for the war now. maybe god will end it by itself, please. well, in fact, here we have to start from the end, who exactly are these voices coming from that is, it cannot be said that there is no such thing, but it is necessary to clearly understand what the source of such votes is, well , first of all, this is an absolute margin, because these are, in fact , those congressmen, those politicians whom we generally

call a-a, let's gobblers. i'm sorry for such slang, but in fact it that's right, the cohort of relatively young congressmen and senators who first came on the wave of popularity before president donald trump, most of them are exactly those converts who voted against the bill on lend-lease for ukraine and that's exactly those congressmen who currently claim that, in principle, it is necessary to restore at least some kind of relations with russia in order to implement their agenda accordingly. politicians who do not, let's say, do not quite understand the logic of what is happening to the world economy right now, and you can say to them, well, in fact, repeat what i already said, and where is the secretary, what president biden himself said - that russia is the cause, russia is not the solution these

problems and the restoration of relations with russia is not something that will bring stability to the world and will not bring lower prices to the americans, and in fact, the majority of congressmen agree that such restrictions against russia should be introduced, and it is rather not a question of whether it is necessary or not rather, as we can see from this discussion between the state department and the congress, the question is exactly how and when, that is, what mechanism will be the most convenient for this, well, in fact, the united states already clearly understands what, well, in the future, if the world economy wants recover adequately if it wants to become more adaptive to such crises. it must develop in fact without russia. that is why this step is necessary . gas stations $4.5 per gallon is $1 per liter is 37 36 uah for our money per liter and the americans in

panivka are in shock why did the prices of the war in ukraine rise so much, you understand, although in our country this price is already one and a half times higher than the american price, we are in principle well somehow we are surviving, let's discuss more states' statements that they will react harshly to the annexed territories, the most likely annexation of ukrainian territories by russia, what exactly is the annexation about? this is a further tightening of the nuts and bolts of the sanctions against russia, because not all levers have been used yet, there are many people on hypertensive lists who have not yet been added to the under-sanctioned lists, there are many children of relatives of russian politicians who have not yet been sanctioned well, this

you know, these moral sanctions are emotional, they are psychologically damaging, and there are, for example, such things as a complete ban due to, let's say, the disconnection of the entire russian banking system from the world system , because we are talking about swift, but we are actually talking about a dozen banks, so they are the most the largest, but if everyone turns it off, and by the way, the very fact that russia is included in the list of terrorist states means the automatic, well, in fact , automatic or parallel inclusion of russia in the so -called list of phases, this is an international organization that controls virtually all financial flows in the world , that is, then in general, no russian bank or individual will be able to transfer funds anywhere, well, i don’t know in reals or in yuan, so it

could be that there is still a lot of russian property on the territory of the usa that did not fall under , let's say, the first rounds there are already 6.7 waves of sanctions, there are a lot of things, for example, well, this is literally yesterday, my former american friends told me that you know this well, this is a topic that few people does he know whether he promoted it? the fact is that well, these are people who are connected to the steles of business and they once had connections. well, since the soviet times, let 's say so, with the relevant sphere. they told me such an interesting thing that in fact it is the entire russian television sphere that we criticize skabeeva there chimanyan and so

on she actually did not fall under the sanctions because 95% of the equipment used by russian television is canadian american and japanese well i i don't count the chinese ones, that's self-evident. everything is more complicated there, that is, from the tv channel to the equipment of the tv studio, everything works on western equipment, and we will understand that this information sphere of russia is something that actually has not yet been subject to sanctions , because to do it well, yes it's quite difficult, but in fact it causes damage er, well, probably no less than the same russian weapons that are used to strengthen the territory of ukraine, er, so i think that there will be something to think about for the working group under the leadership of p yurmak and a guy on mcfall, who is doing just that so, this is just another

illustration of how many spheres and where it is possible for russia to inflict more painful blows on russia. and, of course, one thing is an increase in the supply of american weapons, although this one is also already underway, that is, according to the plan, and the fourth station meeting also proved it, that is, i think that there is no need for additional ghosts, but the americans, believe me, have a lot of such things what could they offer in parentheses? to the russian federation so that it stops its cynical ball but i think that now it will be about the rammstein meeting there, tell me in more detail until mr. oleksandr, your version of what might be er-er harsh reactions to the annexed ukrainian territories, i agree with mr.

volodymyr that is, we we have an extremely wide range of what can be done, and in principle, in addition to economic political measures, in addition to strengthening the provision of weapons to ukraine, strengthening existing formats such as rammstein, starting from in october of this year, we have to understand that the americans have obviously become more daring in their own military actions recently, that is, let's say, since the beginning of the invasion, the testing of the new hypersonic american missile was delayed for quite a long time, and finally, if i'm not mistaken, this test was passed in these weeks and in principle earlier it was postponed under the slogan that we will not tease putin, we will not provoke russia, obviously it is time to provoke and we see increased american activity again, against the background of his visits to the pacific region, both militarily and politically, we can see that politically the united states has intensified

negotiations with china, and despite the sometimes harsh rhetoric of china, these negotiations are still having some success. well, let's say even after the statements of van and the minister of foreign affairs of china, uh, just recently, another one, or rather a spokesman for the ministry of foreign affairs of china, described the potential of us cooperation, the potential of settlement and a common view of the future, and ivan and in fact we see that america is doing it possible to leave russia not only under sanctions and limited politically and economically, but also to leave russia without allies and without the potential to get out of these sanctions, that is, in fact, the question here is not only how we can directly strike russia, but how we can leave russia completely alone and this is also an extremely effective tool in the hands of the americans. please tell me your assessment of the consequences of putin's last visit to iran, where he met with the president of iran

died by duane as the president of the turkish republic, we looked in the chronicles of the information war of olga leni , uh, well, that’s where such solemn russians come from, they are russian journalists. yes, skabeeva there and this solovyov, where they say that it was a very great success. they also agreed on flying drones and on common behavior on the market. sale of energy carriers and about the joint production of energy carriers, and here they hugged zerdogan, there erdogan hugged putin gently and so in a friendly way. at least you, as mr. volodymy, assess whether there will be any real consequences from this, except for the pr on russian television. i am sure that the olympics will not be anything else.

look at the schedule of visits. and in general, no one contacted putin during the active phase of the war against ukraine well, where was he before shanbe, er, in kazakhstan, it seems, well, he even reached tehran , that is, er, you know, even those countries that er, well, were once considered allies or natural friends of russia, and they do not want putin to see in himself well, he is also afraid to go somewhere, and it is not only western europe, let's say, or north america, but hmm, well, let's say, lavrov tried to get to serbia, it didn't work, we're talking now, waiting for everyone will putin be in indonesia at the g20 summit or not in november, but the fact is that today it is clear to everyone that if he comes there, it will be even more shameful than it was with the laurels, that is, the question is not whether to go to

a car wash, the consequences are already there don't just put russia 24 with a microphone, there will already be others standing there and asking very unpleasant questions, and the second thing i wanted to say or draw attention to is that, well, in my memory, these are probably the first visits of putin when he came, uh, well, how about with empty hands or as a request, that is, he didn’t bring anything early, he came to ask for drones, well, many experts have been talking, uh, in the last days after this visit, what he found is already reaching the point that the president of the russian federation is so powerful , so powerful putin is driving a wheel, what to ask for a hundred of drones er well, some experts say that he said that the chief of the general staff himself was supposed to conduct negotiations on such an issue at most er and the president of russia went to reach out

and ask where the drones are in iran. in other words, this means that russia is no longer even capable well, somewhere there are still some eagles there, but they are not. there are no chips, there are no electronics, which they used to import all of them. well , there are no more nails, that is, they still joined there along the way and from some pole, as they are there, but, nevertheless , there is legitimization there e of the terrorist regime in of the kremlin. due to such meetings, the days are correct. on the contrary, the fact is that in the early days, the face of a nato member and an eu candidate is far from rosy. in today's arena, this relationship has always been specific. well, we remember how many russian-turkish warriors there were in the past centuries. on the other hand, turkey is very much also dependent

on russia, turkish business is very much dependent on russia, and turkey, like any eastern country, is known for its cunning eastern policy, and it will never stop trying in order to make money there where others, well, let's say they didn't get such a chance, that is, in the conditions of the same western sanctions, we know that the turkish construction business, for example, well, in fact, half of moscow was built by the turks. i'm not talking about the entire russian federation, that is, they are looking for ways in order to make money from this, and by the way, the same export of ukrainian grain is not for nothing, turkey in particular, turkey was spinning all this not only because it is located there, also in the black sea, and also because, look, already in istanbul some single-purpose center will be created already here and

they will control something there and help me somewhere, that is, in fact, they have become intermediaries here, or will they become? if it is possible to sterilize intermediaries in the export of ukrainian grain. that they are just doing their job and you don't have to think that this means some kind of mutual, very strong love . thank you. well, but he really hugged us like that . your assessment, i promise, and remember something else, this picture is also on the internet. well, if you wait, you can find how putin was lowered when he didn't stand for more than minutes and read the energy, yes, this is a very serious gesture of tour things, oleksandr, your assessment of the consequences of this meeting in tehran, i compared it in an even broader context, parallel to this well, i consider it a failure of russian diplomacy, russian

summit diplomacy, that it is very important that at the same time we had a rather successful visit of baidu to judicial arabia, where he not only fulfilled this his agent where he signed the whole set of documents that he wanted to sign, but apart from that he stood his ground , he promised during the presidential race in the 20th year that he would not shake the hand of mohammed zalman and that he would still accuse him of being responsible for his death of journalist jamal akhashovchi, and in principle we saw it. he got away with a very, let's say diplomatically soft, with a handshake , mentioning the rules of security and a fist bump as a greeting, he agreed on weapons, he agreed on a new system, relatively speaking stability in the middle east he received new oil agreements and against this background we have putin who obviously does not have a clear agreement for drones who does not have clear alliance

agreements with iran who definitely was not able to achieve certain successes in energy because we see that the negotiations between washington the official teheran continues, that is, he could not, as volodymyr said correctly in spain, he still could not achieve even what is called a handshake in muscovy , that is, the presence of mordogan and rai raisi definitely did not give him the international status of recognition that he wants. and by the way, continuing the topic about erdogan and whether this became for him a validation, a certain legitimization of his international activity, let's remember that many times already after such hugs and after shaking hands with erdogan with not exactly pleasant things were happening to russia, let's say. literally two weeks after one of these meetings, a few years ago, the turks without a second thought shot down a russian attack aircraft that crashed into them literally from air, not space, then again after a while after another meeting, if i'm not mistaken

, they almost shot down in sochi, but in the end they just deployed a russian transporter that was headed to the russian base in latakia in syria. in essence, we just need to understand how turkey behaves, perfect in the external arena, we need to understand what it is an adept, and a very faithful one. and where is realpolitik in all its even the most staged manifestations, and we also need to understand that you correctly said that turkey is a chilimkin country of nato, it is a candidate for the eu but at the same time, turkey is one of the few nato countries, in fact, currently the only country that is not afraid to get its hands dirty, that is not afraid to deal with, well, i would say quite dirty issues. with the russian federation, turkey has a kind of card blunder from the side of the nato leadership, we see that there is a certain i have already finished, there is a certain

protest from this, but nato is profitable that the turks are not ready to take on such topics, mr. oleksandr but what else was said in skabeeva's program that the leaders of iran, russia and turkey jointly declared that the united states of america is the main destabilizing factor in syria and that the presence of the united states in syria is undesirable for all three of these countries. this is a lie or a half-truth let's say that turkish sources and such more independent information sources sold this statement only in the performance of iran and jammed in the performance of russia, and from erdogan's position, it was quite obvious to lean away from supporting such statements, but even if he made them, let's let's remember that before the first pali of the first olive branch, that is, the first so-called peacekeeping operation of turkey in the north of syria, they turkey, in the form of a reprimand, also stated

that in principle the presence of the americans is no longer necessary, turkey can take over their powers, so they again stated and they said that the information base was well filled, the russians were pleased, but i simply do not expect real results from these statements, vladimir, and i would also like you to detail the achievements of yesterday ramstein for ukraine eh, what will happen, what can we count? well, of course, there was not as much information as after the previous three meetings, but by the way, this is a good sign because we are still talking about a very delicate eh security topic of supply eh of weapons or the military situation in ukraine. that is, the less information there is, the less russia will know , uh, because we see that in recent weeks , in fact, the entire russian

agency machine has become very active, that is, precisely on the question of how to prevent these arms deliveries, that is, if it was previously discussed it’s just that someone is trying to develop some kind of bridges there, railways, which they started to do about two months ago, i mean, western ukraine also shelled the bridges across the dnipro and so on, but now it’s almost all the russian agents in this world are working, that is, they are already nato countries are looking for some people, that is, they have already perfectly understood that this is the main factor in their future military defeat, but you say to the results, well, first of all, how can you understand the final statement of mr. lloyd. here is the one for the minister the defense of the usa uh, there is already a decision that these will be monthly meetings here. in fact, it has already become a constantly operating such contact mechanism. the second

thing that came to my attention is that uh, well, he said it was very somehow easy, so he said, uh, he remembered that er agreed on contacts with the industry of ukraine members of er regarding the repair, maintenance and production of military equipment, what does this mean that apparently the stocks that were er free were already in english so that they would be in ukraine right away to give and first of all i think this is about about the ammunition there, shells, what cartridges, and so on , it is either already exhausted or almost exhausted, or it is already talking about the strategic reserves of the nato countries of other countries, which they simply cannot now take and give them something that we also need weapons, all the more so in the conditions of an increase in the american contingent in eastern europe, and there are crazy numbers, this means about