they asked what they say there. well, let's go. good luck. to whom are we there and to whom is everything and we left and then the rest i only heard mom alimonadto us us and when will you give it to us and when will we get there and when we get there we will get there soon and can i i won't share , you can, because the child no longer thought that we had gone through something so terrible there, that we were all there, she focused on this team, focused on the fact that this would be our lemonade. i won't be with anyone, well, katya , but it turned out that in buchek is also dangerous and you then ran through irpin to kyiv and there and you photographed it seems correspondent reuters o-o-o informed bbc is the sun a-a posted these photos yes when did you find out that you became well, so to speak, a world-famous person we ran we we were told how i run look people are lying on the ground

press with cameras that's all and i'm still running, i think. here you have found your place, guys, well, that is, they are shooting above us, and they say run faster because you can be hit, write like this and not like that because something is flying there, something is burning there, something is smoking there, something is bombing there, and we have reached everything ok, we got on the bus there then we got to kyiv, we are already walking around the academic town and a girl from irpen writes to me on instagram and says i saw you just now, you said you ran to romanovka live broadcast i saw you how good you survived and i am so live broadcast a we were in complete isolation for about a week, i called, we called, er, from the basement to my godmother and asked masha what kind of news there is, tell

me. russian propaganda wrote and said live on the air that it's all actors, it's because actors are running they are somehow not dressed like that. i would react to such statements. oh, me. at first, when we reached akademmistechka and someone sent me a link to bbc russia, it seems like ah, this is our photo and that's all . i was so angry, i had such an adrenaline rush, i was ready. i just bit them all, i started to answer them like, oh, and the sector, i am writing this, i am running. we are running, this is my dad, and then at some point i realized that there is. well, she does not want to believe that this is happening, reality, to believe or not, it is a choice not to believe these are actors and you look at who they are clean women's sneakers but they were running purchases

and everything else. well, i wore these sneakers for the second time in my life. i bought them before the war. i wore them once with a dog. and this was the second time. yes, and also. i was wearing a red sports suit the first time. he is warm , and secondly, i realized that i need to wear something so that i look like a civilian so that i don't get hit katya, tell me, you were not at home for a long time, when you came back, did your workshop get looted or not, you know i don't know how it is it happened, but this square of ours, and for some reason, the orcs did not like me i understand. they robbed mostly cottages , townhouses, everything that is new or high-rise buildings, where you can go in and walk around, open the door, yes, and here, i understand that they looked at these oh my god, some houses, something like that oh, well, that’s all, and i’m like that i realized that, well , the only ones with us were probably sappers, because

all the boxes were there. you can see that the guys were checking everything, everything, everything. when we returned to work. when did you start creating new decorations again after returning? vinnytsia a well, they helped me a lot. our friends, jewelers from kyiv, they just gave me a tool there and asked me to somehow start everything, everything, everything there, and i started there, and when i came back, well, first i had to completely change the window in my workshop. i had to patch holes in the roof there because it had been raining recently and i had water leaking from the ceiling in the workshop, and sasha then climbed up there and foamed it up that he was doing something like that. well, for a very, very long time, i then cleaned up the broken glass from the workshop, there were pieces of the wall the fact that everything was blown away together with the window, that is,

somewhere, i don’t know how long, maybe two or three weeks. almost every day, i cleaned little by little. then i painted a little more on the walls, rearranged it there, and then i started working again. it must have been the beginning of june or the middle of you did right here, well, after your return oh, it ’s definitely a crucian carp, let’s show it to me and let’s talk about these new jewelry that you started making at the beginning of the war, i’ll show you this. this is my fresh one. it’s a crucian crucian. russian bloggers once decided to invent such a thing to insult ukrainians, and they found a picture with the image of a half-fish, half- pig, and called it a pig crucian carp well, it's like there

a pig in german is a pig and they started shoving it all over the public ukrainians saw a pig crucian carp and said i mean it's offensive but he's cool and they even started making memes about him, ah, he has become a part of the ukrainian sewing culture, and i decided that of course i couldn't avoid this handsome man, and i also made him in silver, and people buy him, i even know him personally one person who bought a crucian carp sewing machine and what do they buy from you most often? i have a pendant with a cockerel, but they are all sold out, so i ca n't even show it on my happiness hat. subscribed to the dog of the patron on instagram and i sent him three pendants yes, as

a gift, yes, that is, the dog of the patron himself has such a pendant, and i also started making pendants with different regions of our country, for example, here is donetsk region, here is kharkiv, kharkiv region a lot of them are bought, there are also khersonsk, mykolaivsk, zaporizhzhia, luhansk, of course, that is, those that are most likely to be bought from and this, for example, will be a very symbolic piece - this is a collaboration with one craftswoman, she paints stones and she, um, makes such very beautiful products she has polymer clay and hand painting and that’s all. a is there and she offered, i say let’s collaborate with you, a pebble, i’ll make a silver frame for it and we’ll sell it, and the money

, i don’t know, or come back alive or to the zsu or somewhere else, that is, no, i, she, well, we are not going to have anything from this. well, i am finishing it now and then we will sell it and it will be like this, the only one in the world. someone will have such a pendant. you are from donbas, like me, you are from donetsk. i from luhansk and what was your experience of being in the occupation at that time? i know that you actually became displaced people and came here. how did it happen after february 24, 2022 , and in fact, then i drew these parallels, the only thing i fear is russian soldiers if i see that russian soldiers are already somewhere on my land from then on, you have to run even when there was shelling, and when the airport was shelled from irpen, we were at home and you understand that our people don't let them in, and that makes you feel

calm, but when i saw this column of equipment that was going to kyiv, and then this column was shot by the guys what's left near my house is all of obukhov, but then i was already scared because i saw that muscovites were on my land, and that's when i got so scared. and it was the same in donetsk, that is, while there in donetsk, flags were being waved. everything is like that. oh, oh, oh, no seriously, and then when people with machine guns in camouflage and with a russian accent started to appear, then we realized that we had to run away now, and then we ran away. do you think your children easily survived

what happened because these are terrible things and surely no one has experience with them you don't have to worry about it anymore in childhood. oh, you know. i understand that it happened to my children. well, it was relatively easy because this situation was critical. it was short-lived , that is, the most critical days. well, it was here for two days, and then we ran to bucha. and there were theirs friends and they were there for two days, they just fought there and played everything. that is, they were let in like that, and then we ran away as two families. well, while we were running away, it was a little scary because there were also arrivals and corpses of civilians. we have to run, and the little child is five years old, her legs are hard to run malinka so that

was like that, but then when we went out in kyiv, when we had already seen everything, when we already came to the apartment and the children simply asked us, they say, are you going to the store now we are a store, buy us chips and here we brought them chips and there was wi-fi in the apartment and they were here for about a day probably just like that, they came to their senses, they were watching cartoons they ate some there, they bought snacks for me and they are so little here little by little so well, they recovered later, what do you think now you have actually already spent a lot of time on cleaning and repairing your house, your workshop, we still see that the glass needs to be replaced, and the children also see all this, which gives you optimism now to continue doing all this despite the fact that the war continues and we don't even know for sure whether they won't climb there again from the north. yes, from belarus, you know. i

don't even know, actually. maybe i have some kind of faith in the armed forces, ha ha ha, what, that is, me and and well, the plus is somehow so logical i understand that before climbing from the north, they were preparing for this for about six months, and now i understand that well, no one there, no one prepares like that and i, logically, periodically reassured them, like well, they don't prepare you you see, there is no one there, there is such and such. now we must fear not the muscovites, but their missiles now we have a different stage, that is, non-occupation, yes, destruction, well, we know that there are problems with those who returned and still want to receive some help from the state in gostomel. also, this situation is very acute. how do you deal with this? i will tell you, they told us what else and still in gostomel we have formed a commission that has er how to say it, that is,

you submit an application, the commission comes to draw up a deed of destruction and the amount of damages. well, they tell us that there is still no such commission, that is, in fact, you are now doing everything with your own hands, with your own hands . people will contribute a little and that's why we yes and that's why we were able to change the windows, for example. we changed seven and three windows completely. it's such a time when you can't be cowards, you can't be afraid, ah. if it was before, well, let's say it was education. yes,

be quieter, be more modest. to be and your expressions and your position and everything else, that is, to be a gray mouse now, well, even i don’t know. i have to be like ukraine. yes, thank you very much, and i thank you. the state is us. july 28 is the day of ukrainian statehood. you are warriors, deledars, and our work is righteous. saints who is for what? and we are for independence . so it is difficult for us because of that, we are the ones who

, side by side, as brothers, beat the teeth of the enemy in the battles for the gostomel airfield, defended kyiv and kharkiv, held mriupol, those who imperceptibly destroy the invaders with a precise shot, shoot down enemy planes and burns the tanks of the occupiers, we are firmly in line , defense and security ukraine, we are the national guard, in more than 130 days without a day off, this vacation has been

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when the novelty ends, he suspends them and starts working with new things under his "love ukraine" was danced at the largest music festivals of ukraine and he works with ukrainian poetry with stus sausyura voronim antonych tychyna and many other poets of ukrainian classics a-a option pie poet musician artist hi maryany congratulations and i think we'll start with music and i know that we will start with mykola voronoi and his blue maiden, so it has wings, spring has a fragrant moose, all in transparent robes , in mists and

mists , shining with a smile. at the last concert, it was very interesting how you led up to one humorous song about konovaltsya street in lviv, so you led off with a story about yevhen konovaltsya and actually about his murder by a ukrainian collaborator and you said that it was the worst what the russians can do is to involve the ukrainians in collaboration, in your opinion , why do the ukrainians agree and why do they cooperate with evil at all? propaganda about the duration, i say this, i take a century and closer to the

russian borders, that is, let's say ukraine there has always been a certain living subject of such steel permanent borders as it is possible now and really it was not then everything was different but certain parts of the ukrainian territories still hetman's are actually located on the territory of russia and the russians have always found some such weak they love to find characters. because you have already worked on them with certain propagandistic uh occasions with names. since those old imperial times, that is, their very mask has changed, and let's say these things as we can see, they are collaborative and still operate today , so let’s say. we mentioned konovaltsy and his

killer, who was born in the city of melitopol, and i am very pleased that melitopol is now a prosthetic ukrainian city under the russian occupiers, as i have already destroyed more than 100 units of physical senseless russian bodies this is comforting, because the murderer of evgeny konovalts, pavlo sudoplatov, was born there at one time, and he knew only two languages, that is, russian and ukrainian, in order to gain the trust of konovalts, even certain the underground that exists in western ukraine, uh, fictional newspapers were printed in which they were printed in a certain way, somewhere hidden in the underground, that's what's going on here, for two whole years, as far as i remember, he worked on konovaltsy in such a certain way that soon there will be some certain

uprising well, at the end, we presented this box of candies with explosives, outside of a certain version, so that he would know that konovalets loves uh, his call sign was pavlus, so nice ukrainian everything, so that everything looked nice and pretty. that's why it is in fact, it is very terrible for me, this kind of collaboration, i remember even at the time, whether it is 2018 or 2019, you just have to look, when exactly he was born, when he died, the court fee, everything seems to me that someone there, someone decided, decided, some banner was hanging in melitopol, so we congratulate our the hero is doplatova, who fought against nazism there. that is, we see that this is propaganda, it did not disappear anywhere, it works constantly, you wrote music for tychyna, you wrote music for the lyrical texts of susyura, you wrote music for antonych, that is, all this is such ukrainian classical e-lyrics are very light, very light, but on the other hand, you are quite well-versed in

politics and history. and my question is that there is a stereotype that there are some creative people and these creative people are completely unrelated. well, they can not be related people associated with politics may not understand because they fly and swim for themselves. is this stereotype true? well, there are such people who call themselves certain creative personalities. from certain creative circles, well, roughly speaking, it rather refers to show business. so he is enough flexible, that is, how is it, there is probably an oil and gas system, yes, this is the system of show business, it is the same oil and you are already watching yourself. you made up a type of latin in politics, in fact, in politics , that is, if you take the evidence that in business i am actually in another station closer to the literary and poetic, and that is why i clearly see myself not in show business, but in

culture, in a cultural niche, and culture is politics. although i was not always like that, i would compare them as a whole. if to advance in the world, but it turns out that there is a certain political aspect. you want to show your country to the world, that is, you do it from the very beginning with a certain cultural aspect, you show your cultural face, that is, your language, your literature , your history, er, your certain song and heritage if it is sacral, even including rougher, yes, that's why we have it here. the russians understand it very well, so they can't carry out from here, let's say, such a phenomenon as the moscow patriarchate, yes. it's not our sacral a component and it is alien to us and is not needed and imposed on us in a certain way, let's say it even i would call it a spiritual trap that was thrown to us and

it took off very brightly here, that is, they constantly water it themselves, because nobody here wants to water it, that's why we know who finances all those things from somewhere deeper. therefore, culture is politics, and not some negative or integral thing. therefore, in any case, it is a person who identifies himself with a certain cultural environment. he must be just political personality is different. that is, it will not be a cultural phenomenon, but rather an entertainment-tourist phenomenon. let's say so, then let me clarify whether someone is ashamed of the fact that he or she is a creative person and that is why he or she is not interested in politics, this is actually manipulation for me, so although these people are so i've seen them they're so naive that they believe what they say let's say so there, well , that is, the majority of russians let's say so, something happened there, they've already entered this, here's a certain circle, where the only thing he can do is this to be that like a hamster that moves, if it stops, then

it just falls and dies, and it was given some kind of seed there, it runs everywhere, these people, too, they once heard, oh, we go there all the time, we are performing this now against the artists who, even there, barely switched to ukrainian in fact, it is very important, they are starting to come to ukrainian and they have a very large circle of fans, for example . true, that is, for us, these vali were big and all-ukrainian, but they were still of such an integral nature and really cultural, that is. and became popular thanks to the fact that a lot was written about them abroad, and it was there that they showed what ukrainian

culture is a certain face in music, in extreme cases, even pain, and in folklore, as if there they they are working on folk materials, so in addition to some author's concepts, that's why it's very, very important, and here's this one. well, what kind of project am i working on ? hryhoriy chuprinka, whose poet we mentioned. he was murdered at the age of 21. the same as mykola leontovych, who, by the way, also wrote music to the poems of hryhoriy chuprinka and even to volodymyr sausyur. we will come back with one more question about music. so, before the music business, you worked on the creation of several e-projects, so that had a name , i would have given the greek orchestra a cake and a whip, you had a solo project, a cake, and in fact, you are constantly in search,

you are invited, yes, you write music, but you do not work with big production companies or layla why, well, first of all, it's like it seems to me some certain internal psychological component is my personal yes, for example, people should be interested in it or you're working on some such certain material, that's what i did, worked on what begins to respect and this is not too much and i am interested in the rough one, but that's how this show business works, and for me, i'd better write down some specific, well, fix the material for me, it's like a fixation on how to write a book and someone won't wait for a publisher or there is a customer for a novel about what should i write, that is, if, for example, the projects listed here are a certain stage of something evolutionary, if i probably would have given more of my texts there, such advice as entertaining content from the rougher but such a concept is a little absurd even there

was inherent in this duet with ljubomir ishchuk, they created this orchestra for themselves, it was already such a fun company there, again, poe sausyura was playing tychyno, because to put it simply, tychyna gave me music. decommunization and this man of very high and great talent. that is why it is such a psychodrama in him by saussure, that is, they themselves experienced in poetic forms a lot of coded certain psycho-experiences, let's say saussure did not even hide his certain such schizophrenia as a splitting of personalities, two volodyas , one here, one there, yellow-blue, the other red, and he constantly played with these internal ones and showed them, described them even in this difficult time, and it will continue to be so, as if communistized in a certain way, in a certain way, in the people in the direct sense, even in the direct sense. but in these projects you constantly went from some money

-entertainment to something deeper. well, and to some acceptance of music. yes, there in cherkasy, remember , everything was done there cheerfully, and suddenly some ambitions appear in this regard material and a certain approach to it, that is, for example , a big pair of scissors appears and you cut something off, if you want to evolve and move forward , in fact, you really need to leave a certain past and burden in the past . well, you are quite difficult, so you constantly do certain things, such as moral, spiritual and even physical cleansing. so, you throw some things out of the house, it all happens in a certain way. in this way, you know , before easter, before christmas, you have to put things in order and arrangements must be made everywhere. my project, which was after all the loud ones, let’s call them that, was very quiet, because i simply gave up concert activities and focused solely on recording the material. that

is, it was an album dedicated only to tychyna, finally , what did i get to it? it was poetic , after all, field triptych, i wrote it on the farm of a friend, there were only two of us, i used the method of laying tracks and, in principle, about