hlibysh before - it was already a jewish polish writer or singer volodymyr others and sholom-aleichem and mendele pray we create other famous jewish writers who were here i saw that they write about what was recently mine about this, let's say, the great mystical culture of the jewish world of a jewish town in ukraine well, of course, i see that the jewish culture that gave in poland through the united states or somewhere else is also very close to me, then he read ukrainian writers. i see that these are books about my neighbors about me is obvious, but i saw how the people who live next to me. they live like this, they laugh like this, they cry like this, they go through something, in the end, there is still a moment of language. i have been speaking ukrainian since childhood. i also felt that when i read there well, you writers who wrote in the er eastern er lands of ukraine, such as

shevchenko or marko vovchok, and even those writers who wrote in the west, stefanyka or kobylyansk, i felt how close it is to the land that i find today i read is russian writers tolstoy, tournaments of dostoyevsky, chekhov, there is no list of them. believe me , i imagine what i am talking about, because i have read all of dostoyevsky, all of tolstoy . i've never read or i'm not when i read i'm going on and i think that it's all disgusting, this thickening is childish, i read everything it turned out like that and i never saw that it was mine somewhere i was interested by the way, i was always interested in precisely those works that were not artistic for a russian reader, i loved dostoevsky's teenager, let's say, and not the bravov of karamazov, eh, or crime and punishment for some reasons of its own, eh, but for

me it was still no different from, say , thomas mann or golosuvarti or stendhal , moreover, a lot of what i read google creatures or standales , or whatever, as a person who still lived in a european country, i didn’t care if they were not designed much closer to the light of perception than what i read dostoevsky or tolstoy, it was simply not my world and i treated it that way so now when they say we're saying goodbye, we're completely saying goodbye to russian culture. i want to translate it in my head as we say goodbye to our native culture and i say, dear friends, calm down, please don't get upset, it's not your native culture to draw a not very correct parallel, it's not your sexual orientation, it's just you thought that you like

women, but in fact you like men , of course, at the moment when you divorce your wife because you simply do not perceive her as a part of your personal life and to see that you are in love with this man or vice versa . of course you have a huge mental disorder. well, but you have to honestly tell yourself who you are, and this also applies to culture if you feel like ukrainians, there is nothing so shameful and shameful about it, you are not a small culture, but such as everyone and all you need to do is just tell yourself who i am, this is a national comingout, everything and after that normal life begins, you see yourself as a ukrainian on ukrainian land, you see your culture, that's it this is not the culture of tolstoy, dostoyevsky or nachmaninov, leave it to the russians, by the way, as always, he said, take

it easy . of course you can speak russian as you like, but russians are guided by the decisions of the institute of the russian language of the russian academy of sciences, this institute can also claim that it is mystical norms, but it was in the 90s he said that he had something to say in ukraine, and then he said that he said that tallinn was necessary only with the two of us. i even remember the article, but this was true, and then it turned out that the word was behind me. he said that it was possible to moldova, then there was no moldova. why the institute of the russian language of the academy of sciences of russia ca n't work what he can eat in the kremlin, they ca n't do it there, but it's their language, it's like that, and your language is ukrainian, and if you

decided to speak ukrainian in ukraine and not in ukraine, it's also true for ten years no russian can do that to you to impose if the russians ever voluntarily refuse, well, it was good, listen, the slovenians call vienna the danube, and we are the vienna, and someone else somehow because it is the imperial capital and beats what the serbs call vienna well, because it was for everyone their own metropolitan megapolis and austrians not can say it how to call your city so what is it it's very good that we say there that kyiv is indicated instead of kyiv because people are guided by the demand in yes in the request in the world but in russia i will not say kyiv they will not speak russian change the language just like the poles. as you know, they call leipzig and no german can say which leipzig. why is it cylindrical? because it is the traditional polish name of the city, well, i mean, there are many such examples. i say again, let's focus on our own and not on someone else's. but if we want the russian language to consider as one's own, well, that is

, schizophrenia begins. and let's discuss the departure from the empire and the return of identity, yes , this process is generally of the type from the beginning of independence. maybe even before independence, it is ukrainian writers and philosophers worked on it, and it was generally called the post-colonial discourse. the fact that we are moving away intellectually , in some geopolitical context, from what the main country, the main center, moscow, as a colony, instilled in us, but actually, was ukraine a colony of russia or was it occupied i think that here you can note a few moments at once. i once wrote a whole text about a book about scotland payer, which i saw in one of the bookstores in edinburgh, scotland payer - this is a book about the british empire, but the kind of empire that the

scots built after the king of the scots became the king of england in the end these two opposing branches united, were the scots er-e colonies of england to a certain extent, so the english all the time wanted to er-e conquer them and many times did the scots do it or were the builders of the british empire? obviously , this is also a fact from the ukrainian point of view, one can also say the same about the ukrainians, or were the ukrainians conquered by moscow, yes, the muscovites wanted to conquer all territories, not only ukrainian, but also polish lithuanian, everything that was nearby, were ukrainians together with this, the builders of the russian empire, well, it is obvious that they were themselves as ukrainians, or were they people who simply went to moscow to make a career, and the scots, if the scots are in london? identification is simply wearing a tartan and playing the

bagpipes. and someone thought that it was something deeper, that is what eventually became the main theme of the work of the stock exchange stevenson, the truth, the spirit of bruce, let's say, not folk dance festivals, the struggle for freedom in the ukrainian nation has always had these different views on what ukraine is, all the more so, unlike scotland, the ukrainian territory was part of several empires, and each of the territories had its own orders in the great ukraine, its own ilodomeria in the principality in the kingdom of galicia bukovyna was a part of austria in the austro-hungarian empire, and transcarpathia was generally part of the hungarian kingdom with its obviously assimilationist policy, each of the

territories lived according to its own i would say civilizational traditions by a ukrainian writer it was very difficult in the russian empire, but they were perceived as a part of the russian imperial cultural landscape, the truth is, we know very well with you where taras shevchenko lesya ukrainka lived, we are in russia, it is true, it was the russian empire and where did henrikevich live this there was a russian writer, that was the russian empire . he received royalties in rubles. it does not even occur to us to somehow identify sinkevich with russia, that he was subject to the same emperor, that he is a ukrainian writer, you understand, that is, russia ukrainian culture was much closer to naita, which was ukrainian and ukrainian-speaking, because the empire was

interested in it, and senkevich will come. by the way, it is not very interesting for us whether konorad or konderzhav was born in the empire. berdychev later went there, of course, and became a great british writer. he is not from some conditional polish lands, he is our compatriot. well, such examples can be given that the poles, even here, were not perceived as part of the cultural landscape or the great finnish the writer they were russian, who was the tsar or latin and latin, well, that is, you understand what it is about, so this moment of closeness, he played a rather large role. shevchenko in soviet times was included in the program on russian literature, and we just say in schools in ukraine just these pages er, they turned it over because we taught shevchenko in the ukrainian voudilsource in ukrainian literature, and in russian schools, as it happens, the children

thought that taras shevchenko is like alexander pushkin, or tolstoy doesn’t even have them were aware that this is a different literature. so there were people who were fighters for national identity, and this was also a long struggle, and remember that it was a reactive civilization, and in relation to february 1917 , you had an even bolder idea, the idea of ​​the autonomy of ukrainian lands was not in the independence of the ukrainian state, in the cultural environment as well there were people who believed that, on the contrary, ukrainians should be more russian than the russians themselves, and this undoubtedly persisted not even until 1991, but much later, after the announcement of the ukrainian of independence, being a russian, part of the russian cultural world, it was the number one achievement, oleksandr rudnytskyi is an example for us and i will tell you what i did, say, in the late 80s, for example, in

the early 90s. saying, the empire wants to keep international information about world culture there for itself, and for us rural news in the broad sense of the word i don't understand i didn't understand how it could look like in principle because we are not allowed to be a civilization of a city of a big city big cities are moscow kyiv okolitsa moskvich bolshoi russian city and that is why i started doing, say, international journalism in the early 90s , writing some texts for ukrainian-language newspapers in kyiv, analytical or reporting about what is happening in russian politics, the perestroika the other is because i wanted us to learn to look at russia through ukrainian eyes so that it could, in principle , sound in the ukrainian language, or when we launched the first international program at windows to the world back in

interview later on tv channel stb. it was the first international program on ukrainian television in general, because an international program could only be an international panorama on central television. it is obvious to the panorama, but for this she had to prove that she is a part of this imperial civilization, that's why you are in that and the focus of all this is about russification. i remember how i walked through the editorial office of the pravda newspaper and i see that in the offices at that time, each correspondent had his own office. it was so peculiar. i would say that if you worked in a newspaper , there was a central gps computer. there were half of the ukrainian surnames. i think there used to be a large part of the jewish workers. these people, were they ukrainians or jews or belarusians, demanded that they be part of russia and the russian empire of the

imperial world and did everything possible so that they did not have this separate identity of theirs, this is not always the case i managed to tell my colleagues who worked in the culture department at that time to tell the truth. he is ethnically belarusian, he continues to work there in moscow, he is a pitiful person, but he is known to film critics, he is absolutely tough and firmly supports ukraine in public, and he is from belarus, all his interest in world cinema to russian cinema, after all, it did not change his internal self-perception, but still, it is necessary to have a very strong moral core, you know, there are few such people of course, you work for the empire, you become you want to be a part of it and you want to be more than a warrior - this is what lenin wrote about stalin than a russian chauvinist, but we see there a medinsky who was born in smila, this is the city where my grandfather was born, and

who says that in smila no one spoke a couple of ukrainians, never he putin is telling all the nonsense, i can testify to you whether they are brave enough to speak ukrainian even after the war. i think that medinsky himself did not speak russian very well with his grandmother, because even now when he speaks russian it is clear that he is not fully mastered the russian language barvina so this is completely invisible to me, but so the question here is not whether we are an empire, part of the empire, or we are a colony here. the question is what we want to be, if we want to be an independent state, we simply look at what our history was and of course we appreciate those first of all who wanted this country to be an independent state, because we accepted this visa. and by the way, we see how dangerous the imperial legacy is, that it leads to death in the

literal sense of the word, even just cultural and not in the sense not in the sense of death of identification but physical death and so we know that among ukrainians there were many people who always wanted to be part of another civilization, they lost, i always say this absolutely clearly, it is necessary to understand that these ukrainians who wanted ukraine to not exist or whether it was little russia or something else, they lost and uh, there were many jews who wanted israel to be gone , for jews to be part of central eastern europe, the holocaust demonstrated that they basically lost if there was no state of israel in 1948 year, all these jews who live outside of israel could look confidently into the future, but

ukrainians without ukraine can look confidently into the future, but now we can say that all these people who said that there is no difference between the state and the what language will we speak, they were still saying this in the 19th year. to look confidently into the future is not even a question of where they will want to live in kyiv, lviv, warsaw, chicago, ukraine is needed by all of them and everyone who would like ukrainian civilization to be preserved outside the dependence of a distinguished origin, i am an ethnic ukrainian, but i clearly understand that if this country does not exist, i will not i will be able to speak the language that you would like to speak, create, think, and at the same time, i think it's great that if

there is israel at the same time, i won't feel confident either. these are just two parts of my identity if if one of the states does not become one, then of course i will be a moral invalid, not only culturally, and every ukrainian can say the same to himself today that without ukraine, an independent, sovereign ukraine that chooses its own path and identity , he will be a moral invalid, this is his shelter , refuge and protection, and from this it follows from everything how to build this ukraine is not that ukraine will win, but what should be our strategy, this is the actual final question what should be our strategy, a strategy to ensure as much as possible itself and not to continue the war, which in fact has been going on continuously for years, only there are some uh breaks just for rest and there are moments without killings, well, first of all, ukraine should have written a member of

the north atlantic union once friend ukraine should have been a country with a strong army and this is no longer the question of ambition is a question of survival. that is, where there should be no militarization. no, after victory, there should be a process of militarization. but again, if there is an accession to nato, at some point it can afford to spend on defense as much as this fixed in the charter of the northern and medical union, but there is still a very important moment, and this moment is the moment of internal struggle, all three identities in this country must disappear. we actually have and still are a state of three identities. as an ordinary european state, the second point is a part of

our compatriots, i hope that they have become very few, maybe they are no longer there at all, but they were always in large numbers, they just thought that this little russia is a part of the russian empire, it is not necessary to say that they were not there. there were millions and a third part, which i think. most of all, you are the people who are equal in absolutely everything. i also hope that they are not all native to the majority, so the future ukraine must prepare without conflict between these two those three identical ones, now it should be a ukrainian-speaking state with a sculptural political point of view, people who speak russian at home does not mean that they have to switch to the ukrainian language tomorrow. i speak absolutely calmly in russian with my russian-speaking interlocutors. i don't have any problems with this, but i always say one simple thing: give your children the opportunity to speak ukrainian, not equally , as there are some people who came to israel, they

spoke to each other in polish, e. back then, but they talked to the children and they were children there. they wanted to go to hebrew language schools, the children became a part of oral-speaking israel, because when you go to the army, you need to speak the same language to yourself can you imagine a military battle in which russian is spoken on both sides? well, that's also a problem. i didn't understand it. someone asked me what they hear in the bushes. they don't even understand their own language. it's foreign, so there are no longer any ethnic russians . we also have millions of them. full right to learn one's own language and culture, this is also the state that must ensure this national development for them and for representatives of national minorities, such as hungarians, poles, bulgarians, romanians, moldovans, as i said, jews, but this whole idea is russian the pagan population of russian-speaking ukrainians. it

must disappear like the sky and there never was. there are no russian-speaking ukrainians. there are russified ukrainians whose grandfathers and fathers spoke ukrainian and who were ashamed of this condition so as not to perceive themselves as seljuks, and this must be exactly. full stop, you can't be ashamed of what you need to be proud of, you just need to be proud of yourself, nothing, i say again, there is no difference. you are ukrainian or bulgarian or jewish or french you just have to be proud of yourself your birth is not a reason for you to be proud of them, because it is not yours, not your merit, but it is not a reason to be ashamed, you should be proud simply of the fact that you are your country, your culture, your family, that's perfectly normal, but

no to be ashamed of what belongs to you is natural and this should also be an important part of the construction of this country, i once said and it seems to me that many people have quoted that in romania no person has sons because of what he does and no one is ashamed of it this is just the norm who lives in romania in romania who lives in slovakia , slovaks live in ukraine ukrainians only communicate with each other in ukrainian who know their culture who respect other peoples cultures of other peoples this is the most important the most important and not the most important not to be a reactive civilization you understand we are even reacting let's go in response to russian aggression, we will forget about russian culture; no, in response to russian aggression, we must remember about ukrainian, about the ukrainian in himself, about ukrainian cultural and spiritual values this is so simple. it seems elementary to me, and it seems to me that the people who are now sacrificing their lives for the sake of our country are exactly that and

want to continue. thank you. i will remind you that today we spoke with the journalist vitaly portnikov, actually we talked about what ukraine should be like, how the process of russification is taking place decolonization, and is there a future that can be a future in russia, let me remind you that this program is a cultural instinct. my name is sofia chilyak. let's go to victory and see you. see the project to find your people, kateryna. osadchoi from the search for the missing every monday at 21:30 the soldiers of telidars belong to this

because who is for what and we are for independence so it is difficult for us because of that to the statehood day of ukraine ukrainian history which we were taught a set of invented facts and foreign heroes in a modern laboratory and in expedition, we will uncover a huge historical scam in sweden, we will learn the secrets of the wife of yaroslav the wise, are our roots in western civilization really in poland, we will find the grave of king daniel to see the gift of the pope, we will collect reliable references about mazepa and let's recreate the real portrait of the hetman, which secret commissions rewrote our history. it's time to learn about our heroes

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main question were here are all the conclusions and brings another day of heroic confrontation together we win the marathon united news every evening at 20:00 together we are strong thank you for your trust together we will win the only news the main thing is we will rebel we will win we will win what are you no news together we are strong we said that i love ukrainian cuisine i ate borscht there i ate some other dishes wow you are a class. and all this completely changes the position of ukraine in the world yevhena. i congratulate you and thank you very much

for letting the public into your restaurant. but nothing, i specially created a place for us to do something here sometimes, so i am only glad. we will not say honestly that we are here all from they were turned on their heads, of course, although we can honestly say that let 's start with the fact that, well, first of all, we congratulate you on the fact that borscht is now on the unesco list of ukrainian borscht congratulations. that i did something significant for ukraine, i think that school food is the first thing, so he had borscht - this is also the first thing, i did two things in my life that have a global and strong impact on ukraine, and this brings tears to my eyes . became popular i guess i said that i would use my fame to do some cool things and now uh, 6 years have passed

or 7 and 6 years have passed and finally there are the results of my work and finally society sees that you can use your popular fame for to er change things er to the best for ukraine, well, this is ukrainian, because ukrainian i say that there is no other, you can just say borscht maria zakharova and you had an argument zakharova she will die soon i think i was looking at what she wrote in her phone i immediately when this decision of unesco was so oh-oh-oh me too something weak i expect i decide it seems to me that the sentence heads in this house our borscht our borscht does not need protection мы его уничтоваем while only the ego is protected we destroy it in a plate i destroy it in a plate spent even there but i don’t want to talk about it, i’m not

interested. i laughed. it’s not a modification of borscht. it’s such a bad word. it’s so simple. i immediately say that we are red lines. there is no modification of borscht. there is only one ukrainian borscht. it's just that there are many theories, what was the first borscht , they are many theories and what kind of borscht was very popular there 200-300-400 years ago, there really isn't one opinion, what was it, uh, but well, in different ways, different researchers say differently and in researching food in general is such a difficult topic that's why it's definitely me i found one of the results of borscht, it inspired me a lot. the reason is that there is an idea in it, because usually there are such dishes there without an idea there, or some elements of them are saved for borscht, there are ideas in this, there is some background, and it seems to me that this borscht could have been one of those well, not the first, but one that was eaten a lot. why do i say that we will not cook it ugh and of course everyone has an opinion that because