at the last meeting of erdoğan, which took place in tehran with ibrahim raisi, the president of iran, as well as with vladimir putin, the president of russia , i.e. the two most toxic world leaders from the two most sanctioned countries, the president of the nato country - the president of the country of the official candidate for the european union, is coming to them some business negotiations with them hugs the night hugs putin what is the reaction in turkey to this we will avoid in turkey reaction in turkey itself there is always a reaction for one thing or another, and by the way, inscriptions have become state-owned, they are traumatic, although pragmatism sometimes does not lie, cynicism can play a bad joke when people no longer understand what the absolute deprivation of values ​​is and the absolute departure from idealism i can then play with them and it’s a very bad joke, but i would be two toxic characters

because, you know, the most toxic things were done in the 20th century, so i understand, in addition to genocides, holocausts , famines, deportations, you know, according to the state recognition of toxicity - this is recognition when the united states america instead of taiwan, the republic of china, the people's republic of china, you know, the legitimate government of china, these communists who staged coups in the dpr, in fact, on the scale of billion-dollar ukraine and a replacement, and among us, the penguin is no less toxic to me than putin, putin is just a puppet with a bad the economy is on a par, and everything is put together like this, the country is equal, spain, and xi jinping and china, and how tough it is to destroy only muslims in lviv, he will destroy democratic china , not taiwan, he destroyed hong kong, he destroys makal, he he will destroy the koreans, he will also destroy the inner mongols, he will destroy everything for various reasons, because

at the base of this chisel and all the value is what distinguishes our free world from the unfree world, is there a person in it? they talk about it in the world or do they care there, but in the rest the arrest is about a person, whether there is a person or not at all, and any goal justifies the means by which it is achieved, and the chinese in this is simply a model from the chamber of scales thank you osmani osmani pashaev about today's negotiations in turkey regarding grain let's go further pavlo lakeychuk head of security programs of the center for global studies strategy 21 retired military sailor pavlo we congratulate you good morning glory to ukraine please explain to us what you are incomprehensible well first of all these negotiations are very secretive and - the second

is the incomprehensible motives of russia, why should they now sign this and open ukrainian ports, is n’t it some kind of conspiracy, not with the aim of seizing these ports? well, in fact, the situation we see is that now ukraine and the organization of the united nations are trying together to protect the world from the threat of hunger, to protect africa, asia, countries that are far away from us, understanding that, and understanding who is creating this threat, because this process itself came from russia, and the fact that russia did not simply blocked ukrainian ports, russia itself launched the topic of world hunger due to the blockade of ukrainian

ports. russia itself, blocking ports, talking about the need for negotiations with ukraine about unblocking ports, prevents us from carrying out you exported grain to the world by alternative routes. remember how, as soon as the ukrainians had the opportunity to send grain to europe by rail, four rockets immediately arrived at the darnytsky rybok wagon repair plant, where grain trucks are made, and the talk about, uh, some sort of unblocking of ports came up. immediately arrives and mykolaiv to the largest grain terminal of ukraine, where from the sunflower sunflower who this grain mountains there are no military facilities there these

purposeful falls on the export terminal russian missiles in the russian blockade of our ports, e.e. the danube, how did it last from this eighth snake island, when a foreign bulker was told where are you going, turn towards the territorial waters of russia, in fact, russia says with one hand, we are against hunger in the world, and with the other hand, he presses the red buttons one by one, and these negotiations that are currently taking place, to be honest, i am very skeptical about them, and because negotiations are possible in two options, first, when like-minded people sit down at the negotiating table and develop some kind of joint strategy for improving something is

normalized or the opponents sit down, if the opponents sit down , then one signs the capitulation and accepts the terms of the second, now i don’t see the first or the second happening in turkey, in fact, it is possible that the negotiations will not produce results, but maybe the second option can come out, using uh, pressure because of our turkish partners about some mav pashaye so very clearly gave a description of the united nations, to which there are also quite a lot of claims, russia will be able to push through what it and

it seems to me that russia is thinking about the surrender of ukraine at sea, or at least to provide an operational pause for itself to accumulate forces for the next strikes, because now , thanks to the courage of the armed forces of ukraine, the russians have been given a bit of a beating, but i i hope that will not be the case pavla please tell me from the point of view of the military security of ukrainian ports there is there a possible option when security will be ensured sorry for the tautology from a possible invasion of landings from the sea and in parallel there will be some dry cargo, civilians will carry grain, such a combination is theoretically possible, well, the first step, even before the negotiations, we talked about the only one who can ensure the security of the black sea, if they cannot

ensure the security of our partners in the black sea or outside the black sea, they can provide ukraine, give us weapons, we will ensure security, and when the ukrainians struck with neptunes, they struck with harpoons , the russians were forced to hide there under the crimea and beyond, but this does not 100% protect the corridors, because the means of defeating the operative have the range is enough to destroy ships, a civil trial at the black sea laboratory just recently. a week ago, for the second time, the russians hit a moldovan tanker that was drifting in the northwestern part of the black sea. a month ago, they hit it once with their

cruise missile. the crew got off he is simply drifting into his own fault. the only thing is that he is a big target light on the e-e radar of some russian corvette or frigate, and the russian believes there is no single possibility once again except for the ukrainian the provision of weapons is effective, not in the words of the real guaranteed security of the corridors by our partners. we asked the british, we asked the americans, they all refuse. i understand this, including because of the position of turkey, which says that it is ready to ensure security in this region, and the question is that if you are ready to provide security, you are ready to shoot at russian ships that will violate this security regime, if you are ready, we

will believe, i believe the turks in syria, when the russians violate the agreements, they can shoot down the russian planes, they will be able to do it in the black sea as well, but give a guarantee that they see all sides here well, as they say, they do not give us conviction and peace, somehow the un is there and turkey is not certain. is there any point in us developing land alternatives? is it only the sea, what does it mean well, first of all, i continued your topic, in fact i completely agree with you, the new budapest memorandum does not suit us at all, uh, as for alternative ways, it is definitely not

easy . does it make sense? overland with ukraine by rail to baltic ports, there are already several such corridors in operation, it is clear that it will still be more expensive than those options from the black sea ports, but when the question is the food security of the world, whether it is more expensive or cheaper , it is already important that the second option is the danube ports our ports, izmail, here are danube wolf, compared to the same odessa mykolaiv agglomeration, they are very small and do not have enough infrastructure, but they also allow exporting part of the grain after liberation from the yorks of snake island, there is, in

principle, a corridor that allows, with a certain amount of risk, to russia anyway, the risk of russian strikes does not disappear, but the section is quite short and quickly overloaded, so that vessels can go to romanian territorial waters, where they are actually already under the protection of romanian sovereignty, all these ways, all these steps, they definitely do not completely replace the huge traffic that was carried out through the odesa ports before the war, but they compensate to a certain extent, by some percentage, and the more such routes there will be, the more options there will be, the better, mr. russians have canceled

and announced that they have officially canceled the parade in sevastopol for the day of the black sea fleet on july 31. what is this connected with, because well, russians always say that crimea is the territory of russia, absolutely calm , come here and tourism is here and you can relax here you can watch the traditional parade of the flagships of the black sea fleet why was the parade canceled please again honestly for the first time in my memory and i think the memory and we of their parents for the first time in in sevastopol, the fleet day parade has been canceled. this is a very

big holiday. this year, the russians are not holding such events in sevastopol, this proves the first thing, that in principle there is nothing to celebrate when there is no cruiser moscow on the inner rhythm of the sevastopol bay, this is also a symbol and showing the formation of ships without it it would be symbolic, and secondly, the russians are really afraid, it seems that the russians are afraid that the ukrainian armed forces will take advantage of the opportunity when they gather everyone together and can destroy a couple of three russian ships. sevastopol was or because of this, almost a third of the black sea fleet fled

to novorossiysk. that is, you can say that you can congratulate russian so happy day of the navy of the russian federation, which sooner or later turns into a submarine fleet, but i still remember how the ukrainian navy held a joint parade by the black sea fleet on this day it was the same also in our history there were such periods in our history i even remember the banners i don't remember correctly anymore there were two countries one fleet or two fleets one country but we passed and we will pass this stage and the stage of illegal annexation and crimea will return to ukraine and in the end what

should have happened in 2017 will happen: no black sea fleet of russia in the ukrainian people, the termination of the agreement on the lease of the black sea fleet really should have happened in the 17th year and the russians said that they they are building, at least that is what they said, they lied that they are building an e-e base in novorossiysk, the whole background was relocated there until the 17th year, but later yanukovych came to power, the kharkiv agreements were extended in the 10th year, in the month of april, the russians were no longer going anywhere, such a story mr. pavly for participating in our program pavlo lakichuk was with us the head of security programs of the center for global studies, strategy 21, a retired military sailor, and pavlo latushko should join right now, a member of the presidium of the coordination council of the belarusian opposition, the ex-minister of culture of belarus , while we wait for him, we write down what we want to discuss in principle, now the intelligence reports that there is no direct threat from

belarus . he says that we de facto recognized the lpr dnr and crimea if we have to sign any decrees well, he says that we take part in a special operation but we don't kill people that's how he saw the participation of belarusians in a special operation putin's pavlo latushko we welcome you, mr. pavly. good afternoon. i congratulate you. well, let's talk about everything one by one, about the fact that belarus does not kill people, although it participates in a special operation, says lukashenko, this is how he explains to belarusians the participation of belarus in war, how to understand it, well, lukashenko, during yesterday's french press interview, it is repeated on the raccoons who do not use the beginning of the war, although going on a

ration is always against words. uh, he's talking about ukraine blame the war for the war, he claims that ukraine has all the possibilities to end the war, and he refers to the journalist, in what way can ukraine end the war? all the territories that were captured by russia remain subjects of russia, he says that this is exactly how it should be, and he claims that there is a chance that ukraine will not allow it, it was supposedly february in march, when the war was just starting, but then let's remember that the russian troops were not far from kiev. well, that is, hmm, the man is certainly

selling narratives that ukraine is to blame for everything, and nato is to blame, and france and the president of france finally got it. manuel macron to show the belarusians and we are not here at all, we are forced to launch a missile attack on the territory of ukraine again, because ukraine planned to attack the territory of the russian federation. alone and on the territory of belarus, well, he is driving full lies and lies for sure, but the most important thing in this interview. well, according to my boyish mind, these are lukashenko's words about the recognition of the so-called new formations of donetsk in donetsk and luhansk. and he also said about crimea, but if the crimea in luhansk, donetsk will need to restore food , this lucement, and other things, we will help them, we will have to admit if there is any sense in this, but what is the sense today, i admit, i admit, i admit publicly, because i do not admit, we actually cooperate with them

and he clarified that the quote is de facto - we recognized that there are crimea, luhansk and donetsk because we cooperate with them. immediately broke off diplomatic relations with this country. although i don't know how they could exist until the last moment, because the dprk, well , world and a rogue, belarus is not afraid of a complete break in diplomatic relations with ukraine. and well, i don't know of additional sanctions from both ukraine and the european union for such statements regarding recognition. well, first of all, i think that if we are talking about the strategy of further behavior in relations, the lukashenko regime can be i would later like to answer this question. as for the recognition of the annexation of the dpr of the lpr of the crimea, well, let's see that these

statements were already made a long time ago and at the level of the chairman of the committee on international affairs of the parliament, the former ambassador of savinnyh, and we understand that in our there is no parliament in the country such a person is lukashenko's ruper and does everything that the lukashenko administration agrees with. that's why delegations from the dpr of the lpr and from crimea are now being accepted, and there is trade. the ambassador of ukraine since the very day the war began and the ambassador of ukraine, as far as i understand, did not respond. citizens it's not important, it's just ukrainians here, i wouldn't distinguish whether it's peaceful or it's just a crime, the ukrainian ambassador is still

in minsk . he says as if he is a potential threat if i want to. i did it , but he doesn’t do it in order to probably not burn them. they will end up on the bridges. well, let’s go. so we will grasp at this straw in lukashenko’s words, or understand his strategy. what is your strategy? in that he is absolutely an accomplice in the war against ukraine and his regime fully supports it, unlike the belarusians who, for example, here i am. yesterday i was on the air. lukashenko's regime is absolutely on russia's side, he directly says that ukraine must give up its territories, ukraine must give up its weapons, ukraine must stop threatening russia, as ukraine once threatened

российский федерации therefore, today , it is strategically important to increase the pressure on lukashenko as much as possible, deploy all sanctions on the lukashenko regime, he is bursting at the seams. political situation and it is necessary to simply use it, it will be a mistake if you don’t go to such a strategy further, what are the moods in belarus now? number and closed, which we receive, we have information that, among the most global problems that belarusians see today, first of all, this is the economic situation

. public attention to belarus, well, it has not changed, er, the attitude to the war has not changed among belarusians in belarus, they accept the war, they do not want the belarusian troops to participate in the war in the ground operation well, the understanding that belarusians maintain their negative attitude towards lukashenko and lukashenko does not have the support of the majority here it is possible to shift to the attitude towards what lukashenko says until propaganda does not reach a turning point and it is not possible to achieve acceptance in the belarusian society that external enemies are to blame for everything, that is, nato, france, as he said yesterday, or ukraine. by itself , it cannot be achieved, so people understand that the economic crisis in belarus is connected with the terrible politics of lukashenko's internal politics, including those related to the violation of human rights, and

i believe that the pressure needs to be increased. people are tired of lukashenko, and there will be a potential protest. when lukashenka's entire system will burst at the seams, i really welcome when the information appeared that ukraine offered 40 thousand belarusian officials to enter the sanctions lists and if you want to enter the list, you say against the war eh and it would also be very powerful a blow to lukashenko's system of power, you know , literally. yesterday, i missed something at this moment and was surprised to learn that, well, all belarusian athletes , even football clubs, unlike russian clubs, play in national teams under the auspices of uefa, fifa. no one kicked them out, did not limit their performances belarusian tennis players, tennis players , belarusian cultural figures, unlike the russians, she did not receive any restrictions after the start of the war

. directly participating in this war, according to your perception, lukashenko is now closer to making such a decision than on february 24 of this year at the beginning of the war, or on the contrary, he moved away from the possibility of making such a decision, please answer your question here is our team of the people's anti-crisis administration from the first day and we talked about the fact that the sanctions against the lukashenko regime should be exactly the same as against russia for the unleashed war, the only ally that really helps to the maximum extent this war for russia is at full throttle in the lukashenko regime and the fact that you are giving an example of a sports club, despite the fact that a number of decisions

have already been made by the international olympic committee. in the lpr and on the front line of the war and supports the russian occupiers , all this should be subject to punishment. and therefore , at all meetings with the americans, canadians , british, brussels, we constantly we repeat this thesis, we do not only speak, we bring concrete written proposals . i will be able to spread it out with my hands. this is another catastrophic strategic mistake in european and american policy regarding the lukashenko regime. modified on this situation, you are really waiting for him to lead the army,

as my thesis, which i have been arguing for a long time . this thesis has been confirmed now, while it is not necessary, it will be needed when strategically for russia - this support will be needed when there is some kind of offensive or somewhere really, from the point of view of the theater of war, russia - it will be needed and when the russian troops will be nearby, this is the second character that is actually determining, or at least well, giving a clear signal that this may happen. что определённые передвижение есть, will it happen tomorrow, but unfortunately i can't, i don't know, i'm not ready to say, but it's not completely excluded , it seems they didn't answer my question

lukashenko is now closer to making such a decision than four months ago or vice versa. no, i answered your question, i’m saying it again, he will do it then , when the strategy will be beneficial to russia, that is, the question is not closer or further. that’s when, from the point of view of the theater of war, the russians will need it. support from the flank, an attack on ukraine , that's when he did it. i have a mission, we were born here, an army to pull back your armed forces, that's really eh military actions where their presence is necessary to resist the russian troops well, in short, sir, the last question. look . well, what is the alternative? he wiped out all the opposition , the entire political beaumont under his protectorate , under his leadership, from belarus without lukashenka. and who else, please

? of a person who will never be engaged in what he is engaged in today the movement of belarus is a transitional transit government and we also need to work on it - it is difficult to understand in a democratic society , reaching consensus is a difficult process, but from the point of view of the national liberation of other movements of belarus, there is an understanding among all initiatives of active action that this is necessary and we definitely need it there will be support from all allies that can be states in this issue, we are occupied territory in our country , a totalitarian system that does not allow absolutely anything, only underground work is possible with us there is no civil