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it's the same for the government and for us and for business and for society as a whole. i think that the program should, and we say this, the main thing is that it's aimed at how we can move forward faster. we say one thing. model, the economic model that has worked in our country for the last 30 years, it has not shown its effectiveness almost, well, maybe such a sad fact is that ukraine was an administrator - from those countries that could not reach the level even in 991, thank you so much so-called these models well , therefore, the model should be a stimulating model of development and so on, the government agrees, the ministry of economy agrees, it is up to us. the main thing is that we understand in detail and in the tools what we
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mean by one thing, and also let's talk about this again today. we also participated in the polish forum, which was dedicated to the question, in particular, is the restoration of ukraine , and what is the difference between the vision of the istanbul and krakow platforms, mr. gennadiy, and the european forum in krakow, very specifically, we work with european commissions because it is a huge institution from which we must learn work is a completely new story, uh, we see that europe is - this conference is the beginning of a new job for our entire country, our government officials are working, working out documents in state and non-state, so to speak, from the point of view of regulating our cooperation , it is very important that uh, business starts too to cooperate defend our interests, including at the european level europe opens up
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new opportunities for us we must be able to attract them correctly and not to use them this is very important that's why we saw in europe in us support at the business level, associations, we saw full support, not only support, but the desire to work remains again, i use it again, not only homework, but also to learn as quickly as possible , use tools of cooperation with the european union, this is a matter of lobbying and protecting our interests and about e-e to show our entrepreneurs how to enter the markets of the european union. europe is now opening the gates for us, but our main goal is a special chamber of trade and industry to teach small first of all, business and small and medium-sized businesses should boldly enter the markets of the european union. ukraine is an extremely valuable inclusion and we have received
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a lot of information from you regarding e-e forms that are currently taking place in istanbul. we will remind you of the global economic forum on the second day. chizhikov, the president of the chamber of commerce and industry of ukraine, joined our airwaves directly from istanbul. he wanted to ask mr. gennadiyovych to take the hetmanship with him so that he could also remind a little about the ukrainian reality. well, i hope they didn't take it and didn't spoil his mood. yaroslav, it's a pity, the deputy director of the national institute of strategic studies, a doctor of economic sciences, will join us now. if there is already mr. yaroslav, then tell me and mr. yaroslav. good day to you. i will immediately let's continue the topic in particular istanbul of the istanbul meetings because we know that istanbul arrived or flew in, i don't know how defense minister shoigu managed to
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sign this agreement on unblocking supply of ukrainian grain text of the agreement, no one from the mass media has yet seen it, but as far as we understand, most likely there will not be any security guarantees in this text , and these guarantees could be, for example, or nato ships that would be on the way there will be no escorting of these e-e cargo ships either or, for example, of the departure of russian ships from this territory. is this a victory or a defeat? what do we expect from this ? they worried that things should be provided for there because , well, it’s definitely complicated, we just wo n’t be there, it won’t happen if there is no guaranteed
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safety there, it can be an informal guarantee. he says that it can be, we know that the ships are actually now brought mainly from sevastopol to novorossiysk because they are justifiably afraid of the ukrainian science of new weapons, that is why i think that the actual situation with regard to the grain circle is more or less explained now. is this a victory? wow, fresh news has appeared, the adviser to the head of the president's office, mykhailo podolyak, reports that ukraine will sign the agreement on ukrainian grain experts not with russia, but exclusively with turkey and the un, and russia will also sign a mirror agreement with turkey and the un. ukraine is not signing any documents with russia. we are signing agreement and we undertake obligations to our partners from turkey and the organization of the united nations and the actual terms of the agreement provide for the absence of transport escort by russian ships
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and the presence of representatives of the aggressor country in ukrainian ports is something new. these are extremely important data that essentially change the emphasis in this process because we actually saw what was reported by the turkish media, at least what we assessed today in the first half of the day it seemed that the agreement on behalf of ukraine would be signed by the minister of infrastructure ubrakov, who heads the ukrainian delegation from the russian side, by the minister of defense of russia serhiy shoigu. well, it will take place in the presence of the president of turkey, recep tayyip erdogan, and its president, and the secretary general of the united nations antonia otelisha, now it turns out that it will actually be two documents, one is kubrakov, erdogan, otelish, the second is shoigu, erdogan, otelish, yaroslav, well,
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let's try to comment on it somehow, if we understand the situation correctly, at least. we were counting on something like this because it was difficult to sink that ukraine would sign something that directly allows the command to increase the level of attacks on ukrainian cities, so i think that it was generally unrealistic we just talked about the presence of a third party that guarantees the security of turkey today, it is striving to find itself in a new world, and here it is, it has come forward in the calculation of the predecessor and at the same time the consequence of the guarantor . well, the presence of the head of the un, i think that is also confirmed, just that and there are those security guarantees if of an implicit nature, will russia manage to refrain from the temptation, as it always does, to take advantage of such peaceful things in order to
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realize some of its interests, you will see because experts express concern about uh actual reconnoitered and guaranteed demined passages to the ukrainian creators, i think that the presence of long-range weapons that are capable of setting fire to the water area today, it will still get the russians from far-fetched actions, yes, actually, everything is going as it should. well, let's talk a little about e- in fact, sanctions were introduced today by the european union against 50-7 individuals and legal entities as part of the seventh package of sanctions introduced on thursday, today it became known about these details about specific personal sanctions e-e, the relevant list was published in the official journal of the eu and the mayor of moscow sebinin actors bezrukov tomash tomashkov son
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of the chairman of rostec serhiy chemez you vice prime minister bilousov leader of the night wolves biker club oleksandr zoldostanov well and also interestingly the first director f russia korolev and e-e deputy director of the federal service of the national guard of russia, commander-in-chief strygunov what do you think about these restrictions and their effect e for russia and in general about the effect of the seventh package of sanctions mr. yaroslav, please, well, in general, we see that step by step, er, the world, in particular, europe, is implementing er, deepening the level of sanctions pressure on the russian federation, er, we see that there is really a huge progress , 150 days have passed. we have already imposed sanctions against the leader of the northern occupation game, and mr. i would say that among
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those significant steps that today can be evaluated as they are, they are not felt for russia itself in this package, it is first of all that the assets of sberbank of russia were blocked, this is significant. carried out by a barge for the import of russian gold, in fact, it is not a very large amount, but somewhere, well, around last year, it was estimated at 20 billion dollars. well , this is very rough. well, in principle, well, something tangible. period, although it is probably cheaper, but at the same time sanctions were adjusted , the restrictions on the export of food from russia were allowed to be relaxed, based on considerations of humanitarian washing of e and pharmaceutical products , etc. you see, i would say in general that we need to get rid of the expectation that some such terrible sanction will lead to the fact that russia
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will stop the war against ukraine and it will be our victory. in order to look for alternatives and they are already starting to threaten from the institution, this means that their sanctions are pre-school, but they will be able to launch a war against ukraine for a very long time because there is no absolutely economic motivation, so i would say that if parallel things are sanctions that will gradually suppress the russian economy and the main thing that concerns our victory is the actions of the armed forces of ukraine with the support of our western partners, their stability is very important of the ukrainian economy in the conditions of a war of attrition, we just have to hold out while the armed forces do their work and well, not only sanctions, but other things, today the international community should help ukraine to get
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his victory is to say that the last package of sanctions did not include the russian metallurgical enterprise, which is the largest titanium producer in the world, at the last moment they decided to use it from the list. they say that it is insignificant. it would be a blow to russia . but still for the european union itself, it would be too painful because this titanium was used in the world aerospace industry, the world street journal writes about it, well, in particular, european aircraft manufacturers bought 65% of their titanium from this company, the whole world avisma well, mr. yaroslav, how to evaluate such a selective sanctions approach, your comment, well
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, actually there was information that the russian titan generally closes 50%. the world aviation industry needs the question e the fact is that i think that when starting the war, putin actually ignored the fact that russia is quite firmly included today in the system of resource provision of many countries of the world, developed countries of the world, and we have so many stepwise introduction of sanctions, every time the countries of the world trying to understand why they can still leave, how can they compensate for the lack of one or another type of resources from russia, and that is why exactly such steps are taken, and certain arguments are always sought or found when they say well, really, if it was e , it would not be troublesome for russia but for a certain industry so that for certain companies for certain countries this may be significant, why today it is not possible to implement, let's say, a gas barge, because in
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reality the countries of europe today are not ready to reorient to other sources of energy gas from other sources to other types of heat sources and, accordingly, all this is postponed in general, but if you look at the global world system, a very interesting picture actually emerges when , in fact, we can state that we say that russia is an empire that is trying to spread its imperial ambitions there, but on the other hand, in essence , the world is arranged today in such a way that russia remains a colony of an ancient colony of the developed world, and in fact it was built. several centuries, and in fact today the world really depends on many types of supplies from russia, and russia is trying to exploit it, and in fact, in order to really overcome this influence of russia, so that the world still finds an opportunity to
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approach its own independence, the world needs to come to of a different model, where russia does not occupy such a dominant position in some segments, here we are, well, gas - it is very simple to show, especially russia, it seems to be only some one or another 14th, depending on that and what kind of dependence it has on china he doesn't remember exactly the figure the economist gave. so this is a big challenge and a puzzle for the western world, mr. yaroslav. i thank you because, unfortunately, we don't have time for a conversation . we will immediately move on to the next topic, the law on oligarchs, the actions of some people have characterized this, this, this screenshot of a possible presidential decree with a license plate. aspects, and there are many of them, seem to deprive a number of different well-known people of ukrainian citizenship there, and a deputy is a member of the ruling party, a servant of the people, and
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in particular, one of the richest ukrainians, kolomoiskyi, andriy the painter, volodymyr ivanovych, a ukrainian lawyer, and oleksandr chernenko, the deputy chairman of the central committee of ukraine, is with us people's deputy of the last convocation as the chairman of the board of the electors' committee of ukraine uh, gentlemen, i'm glad to welcome you, uh, i 'll ask right away, uh, right away, so if this law is this decree, uh, no, it's not fake, if he will really appear here, and various sources reported about this. what does this mean, is the president not exceeding his powers by taking away his own citizenship in this way? what does this mean?
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citizenship of ukraine on the one hand and deprivation of citizenship of ukraine, what is the difference between them, deprivation of citizenship of ukraine is termination of citizenship of ukraine in an illegal, unconstitutional way, that is, for political reasons, er, for some religious reasons prosecution for business activity on security issues, even in the case of committing any crime, even the most serious, this is all a deprivation of ukrainian citizenship, instead, the loss of ukrainian citizenship can happen that a citizen of ukraine voluntarily acquired the citizenship of another state and joined the service, in particular, in the power structures of another state or submitted during naturalization documents that knowingly contain certain
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, let's say, false information for obtaining ukrainian citizenship, in this case it is issued the decree of the president of ukraine on the loss of ukrainian citizenship in all other cases is the deprivation of ukrainian citizenship, which is expressly prohibited by the current constitution of ukraine. well, let's listen to oleksandr chernenko. oleksandr, what is your opinion? look, it's hard to add anything to what andriy said. actually, regarding constitutionality and legal aspects he gave quite completely exhausted the characteristics for me really uh, this whole situation with this decree, which you know like this show of the gates, he is not there at the same time because uh well yes, this is not done, that is, society does not explain anything, society does not argue anything, society still does not know if this decree really
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exists or not. two people's deputies and this alleged decree is dated april 18, and one from july on these... i apologize for july, but of course one of the deputies voted in the verkhovna rada on july 19, we know that only citizens of ukraine can be people's deputies of ukraine, respectively, if on the moment of the vote, let me remember the name of this deputy. vasylkivsky seems to be yes, yes, vasylkivskyi, vasylkivskyi, yes, he was not a citizen of ukraine. in general, here in our country, we get a completely legal legal chaos, and it even increases the legitimacy of voting for the verkhovna rada. that is, again. society did not
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explain why and why if these people are really suspected of some crimes or illegal actions, there is a whole legitimate toolkit for bringing them to justice. byzantium is in its worst manifestations, and moreover, i think that all these, well, you know, all these dances with these so-called decrees, they do it not so much so that someday we will deprive them of citizenship or hold them accountable, but also discredit such a company, you know possible blackmail and so on. and so on. that's why, of course. well, i would like an explanation. i would like it. solution, well, let's give it
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to understand the fact that this may be false information, people's deputy of ukraine yaroslav zheleznyak from the voice emphasized this and pointed out the moments that actually make him doubt well, for example , what this document, published by people 's deputy serhii vlasenko from his homeland on facebook, does not have the signature of the president, then he spoke about the fact that, well, july 18 is the date of the decree in skryna. and in fact, on these days, people's deputies gathered for a vote in the council, and in list two people's deputies rabinovych and vasylkovsky, everything looks very strange, writes zheleznyak in a telegram, meanwhile, the authenticity of the document was indirectly confirmed by the adviser to the head of the president's office, a member of the supervisory board of ukrzaliznytsia,
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serhiy leshchenko, who suggested that a copy of vlasenko was handed over to the central election committee for the preparation of decisions on the deprivation of parliamentary powers. ihor vasylkovskyi , people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people party, and vadym ee rabinovych, people's deputy from the people's republic of ukraine let's listen to andriy magera, what does this mean and what is the effect of the fact that two people's deputies, one of whom is from a monomajority, are sent to leave the council, please, you know, i share the points expressed by oleksandr chernenko regarding this chaos in documents that we are currently dealing with regarding the very document that was made public by serhiy vlasenko and which was made public on my facebook page after that, i want to say the following thing that this document corresponds to the form of all external
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signs and is practically identical of course, except for the content itself, it is identical in form to the document that was issued by petro poroshenko in 2017 regarding the termination of the citizenship of the people's deputy of ukraine artemenko from the radical party oleg lyashko. at that time, i worked in the central election commission of the central election commission. i received all presidential decrees regarding citizenship, in particular, i came the decree regarding artemenko never arrives there either , the decree is signed by the president, the president signs it only once and the original of this document does not arrive to anyone, the second moment stood exactly the same seal as now on the casket, that is, those documents are in fact no different from each other, and there is one more nuance, according to article 81 of the constitution of ukraine,
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the powers of the people's deputy of ukraine are prematurely terminated, in particular, in the case of termination of citizenship of ukraine this means that for artemenko there was also the same option as it will probably be with rabinovych, i.e. first there was a decree on the termination of ukrainian citizenship and after that there was a resolution of the verkhovna rada of ukraine voted on early termination powers of people's deputy of ukraine artemenko i think that the same situation will happen with rabinovych and with vasylkovsky and finally where do the president's decrees go, first of all for citizens to the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine and the central election commission. i think that for confirmation of this information you can apply to those if they confirm the information. although i am somewhere 90% sure that this information is true, but finally, there is already
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fresh information about the fact that gennady korban the head of the territorial defense, among other things, of the dnipropetrovsk region, and also a lot of people who are now fighting about the fact that there are very unequal figures in this list, because korban is actually characterized as a person who is doing a lot now for the organization and has done for the effective organization of defense, but ok, he is today tried to enter ukraine after hearing about this story, and he is currently at the border, and the border guards confiscated his ukrainian passport. this is the information that appeared on ukrainian pravda in fact, korban's lawyer has already confirmed that this is the case and here is how he will comment on this moment. and also the fact that a lot of journalists, in particular, observers say that if the most important vip person on this list, kolomoiskyi, is
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deprived of ukrainian citizenship oleksandr can only win your word. well, really, in this situation, i would like to know if they are taking the passports of other people on this list, but no one will really tell us that. see well, first of all, if we were talking specifically to kolomoisky, he himself did not hide the fact that he has israeli citizenship there, and he appears to be in switzerland - this person publicly declared that he was open because, uh , he loses in this case, yes. but does he lose his influence, his property, and his connections, etc. and so on, if he is deprived of
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ukrainian citizenship, well, for me, the answer is no . actually we see them so far. so far somewhere, not personally publicly, but because of some of their speakers, only korban is outraged by this fact. it is obvious from other competitors on the list , we do not hear any statements or any uh, uh, there are uh institutions, they have support, the more we understand . look at kolomoisky's eyes, there is a serious media holding, a serious media weapon, which he has always used to solve his political and business interests, and not always, let 's say so delicately, and that's why and with and so adequately. we also don't see any reactions to that actually speaking, well, this version is already in circulation. i will not be original here when i say that the actual deprivation of kolomoisky's citizenship removes him from this register of the future
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oligarchs, which is now already there 87 or so people have been counted because although there is another the version that the e-e decree does not say e-e not in the e-decree i apologize in the law about dl-hospitalization e-e it is not specified whether this person should be a figure in this register a citizen of ukraine or not there e-e mmm the strategy is necessarily listed yes and kolomoisky's actually all these the criteria remain, that's why i don't understand ah , all these maneuvers and so on. and so on, alexander. people's deputy from the servant of the people andriy kostin, according to sources of the publication, is surrounded by the president, and the person who will be more obedient than venediktova has a deputy, authority among the deputies, is the head of the committee, so some e-e experts emphasize
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because if the decree on depriving e.e. people's deputies and businessmen of citizenship was signed on july 18, it was on this day that the vote for the resignation of prosecutor general venediktova took place, and it is possible that the e.e. people's deput from the monomajority voted already in the status of a person deprived of ukrainian citizenship, what does this affect or can the resignation venediktova to be recognized is not really if the voting in the council took place with violations , i ask very briefly, how is this not strange and it does not look paradoxical at first glance but indeed, a people's deputy of ukraine at some time may not be a citizen of ukraine has the following features when a decree is issued, but its authority is not additionally terminated, because it must be a decision of the parliament . in particular, one or two deputies. i think not. if
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there were 228 votes or more in favor of adopting a decision, i think that it will still not affect the validity of the technicalities that were adopted until then. at least with this andriy magera, a ukrainian lawyer, as the deputy head of the central committee of ukraine, oleksandr chernenko, a people's deputy of the last convocation, as the head of the board of the committee of voters of ukraine were
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