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and what cases are also popular, there are even testimonies on the internet where the press services of local authorities in russia testify that they brought a certain amount of grain to ukraine, and it looks quite realistic in general, because they themselves actually admit to theft in ukraine, what to do next here is difficult to say and recommend something to the people who are under occupation, we are all smart. here in the territory under the control of ukraine, we can talk about high things, but the people there are in a rather critical situation, their lives are in danger yes, the property is the same for everyone, it is very difficult to fix it on the recommendation of someone. it is very difficult to fix it. it is on the photo, video, and camera
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. use documents as much as possible. people 's circumstances and there are we are now conducting a survey, the period is collecting all the data of the producers of the participants, in order to work, all those are doing the russian territories of ukraine" in touch and we will say that even during the war, ukrainian farmers were able to complete the sowing campaign and sowed 95% of the projected area, although this is 2.7 million less than the figure of 2005. in 2021, every day we see these pictures, for example, there of burned combine harvesters and tractor drivers who are hiding during of shelling somewhere there, according to its technique, this is really heroic work where there is shelling, but despite the shelling, well, 6.5 million early grain and
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leguminous crops with a total area of ​​2.1 million hectares were harvested, and this is actually the heroism of ukrainian farmers, well, now let's talk a little about such things as the media about such things as freedom of speech and nataliya ligachova, head of detector media , editor-in-chief of the electro media edition, please contact us ms. nataliya good day, not everyone is now a witness as one of the largest, and probably the largest e media holding commercial actually completely ceases its existence and this is in ukraine , of course in ukraine we are now talking about the media empire of rinat akhmetov, the richest ukrainian at least before the war, he was the richest a person who is obviously rooting for freedom of speech to exist in ukraine, with what feelings do you
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look at this and what thoughts arise well, this is a really unique phenomenon that such a media holding e-e disappears e-e from the information field of ukraine e-e well e-e my impressions are contradictory, because on the one hand, we all the time actually fight against the oligarchic television media and we believe that the interests of the oligarchs are always in the first place in such media and they need them as tools of influence and with on the other hand, of course in ukraine after all there has always been political pluralism, and last but not least, thanks to the fact that there are large, powerful media groups owned by oligarchs, that's why i, as i already said, have mixed impressions, and what worries me the most is what will happen after the war, because
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now we understand that there is a rather strong control by the state over the information space, but the state of war allows this legally, but it can be very tempting to leave all this after the war, i understand. well, of course, it is tempting to hope that in some of us will appear er, commercial powerful mass media or mass media that will actually work in a healthy way on the market, on the other hand, we understand that, well, we need some kind of ecosystem for this, there is an advertising market, and so on, some kind of demand from people, again, there is the viewer. these are all stories that are dangerous in principle, but with the same thing, even the law about oligarchs has already been said by neil that more than 80 people can be involved if down there among them, for example, there are 30-40-50 people who simultaneously own
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the largest media in ukraine obviously not can the media be owned by a person who has no money at all, respectively, who is a threat , if this, this, this cleansing of the oligarchs can become a certain dangerous tool of appeal to democracy. we saw how it happened in putin's russia when we started with people like gusynskyi e channels of ntv well, really, i already said about this that well, you are absolutely right that even a medium-sized business cannot own media, because the threshold for entering this business and then maintaining it is very high. therefore, we we have to understand that indeed, and moreover, ukrainian television has set a very high bar for commercial broadcasting. we used to have very powerful tv series, although they really existed thanks to the fact that they were produced for two markets and
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by russia, but the audience is our oligarchs and their media teams got used to a high-quality entertainment product, including what will happen after the war. i know that the filming of artistic projects, documentary projects is already underway. that is, the big media holdings are already thinking about what they will be demonstrate and can during the war and especially after the war, well, its hot phase, eh, there may be a very big danger that even if someone comes or bribes something, that it will be people who are close to the authorities, because, well, the authorities still have a lot of such control eh- for the media, and i don’t know what the new concept that you are currently developing in the working group will be, let’s see if there will be any fuses, for example, there will be the independence of
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the national council for television and radio broadcasting, to what extent there will be greatly strengthened regulatory norms and whether this will be some er balance in the control of civil society, because on the one hand, the fight against information requires the strengthening of regulatory er opportunities for treason, and on the other hand, we understand that we always have advice in our bodies, which so or otherwise, but the subordinate one is controlled by the presidential branch of government and there can be an imbalance here too, that is, the main thing now is that the public should not be pushed away from the opportunity to influence the information space of the country so that we do not no no no no no do not become more more more in such a closed non-democratic state, then it is clear what we are fighting for in general, mrs. nataliya. well, if we talk about the actual reason for the exit of akhmetov's company from the media business of the reliable
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space of ukraine. what do you think was the reason for the businessman 's decision ? that this is a law about oligarchs , however, there is an opinion that in the conditions of the loss of assets due to aggression, in the conditions of the existence of a telegroup exclusively within the framework of a telethon, the desire to finance state initiatives for own account when it is done with such money against the background of the war, do you really think it is only a matter of the law about the oligarchs, can there be something the existence of the media within the framework of the telethon ceases to be interesting for investors yes, well, definitely three games, after all, i think the law about the oligarchs, we know that akhmetov was from the very beginning a very big supporter of his, as i say, but really now the existence of the media group within the framework of the national marathon is already becoming an
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overhead for them. on the one hand there is no opportunities to advance their interests to the extent that the oligarchs would like, and on the other hand, they really provide him with funds, and if for them at the beginning of the war, well, it was justified, and even in their eyes, we were no longer interesting in one of the fresh materials of the detector it is about the subsidence of information channels and the main thing is the lack of pluralism in them, it is actually about the nationwide telethon, what are the reasons and yet how does the government get along with this so-called single voice that sounds during the telethon, what are the reasons the conclusions of your experts are very concentrated for our viewers, well, a single voice during the war, especially this is very important from the authorities, on the one hand, on the
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other hand, there should be independent experts who take the ukrainian position. unfortunately, we see that now marathon is a very small part of the experts . i am actually involved in independent civil society, if i may, i will add to this question, but for me, let's say, the biggest question in the history of the only marathon is the participation of a public broadcaster in it. i will try to explain. i do not there is an expert, there is none, i cannot give that expert assessment but it seems to me that the existence of censorship on the joint marathon is absolutely obvious and i am not sure that this censorship is precisely military censorship. that is, it bears the signs of political censorship, this is exactly what is being said, for example about the issue of solving which of the invited commentators can appear there, what topics will be covered and so on that do not actually relate to the war does not relate to the combat
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operations of the instrument in this marathon er really and now it is really a very big challenge for public because there are indeed questions for the guests who are invited and so we understand that the marathon is in manual mode and is managed by the authorities, including the government. it would be better to have our own broadcast right now, but the point is that it can be turned off and put on. well, what happened with the poroshenko and espresso channels, and on their frequencies, you can simply start showing the national marathon, and it is possible under martial law well you can legally, it is not an easy situation for the public broadcaster, and as far as i know,
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our western partners are not very satisfied with the fact that the public broadcaster is forced to broadcast such a monotonous picture, and it is also controlled by a fairly strong government, but for now what 's next. let's see how it will develop. thank you very much. natalya ligachova. tree sofification, or at least what we call it in our country, all this is called identification somewhere, we will have anton sharonych, head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance, and mykhailo kalnytskyi, kyiv expert, historian, champion of the collegium of the kyiv city organization of the ukrainian society for the protection of monuments of cultural history, i was able to read it in the same breath, there is not only russification, but also sovietization. we will also talk about this with our experts. it is not translated in the world. that is, it is considered
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such a purely russian hmm phenomenon, accordingly, it is soviet, so it is, or it is the soviets, it is not a council , anton shranochych, the head of the ukrainian national memory is already with us, antona, right away, the question is from arithmetic to c- there was a message from the institute that you head that 94% of the percentages of ukrainians voted for the idea of ​​dismantling the actual coat of arms of the ussr on the shield of the monument of the motherland of kyiv, look, i just counted 94% of ukrainians voted once again, let's just count, approximately 780 thousand took part in the survey, and of them, 80 were children of contracts, 85% of them
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voted for, for example, to change it to a trident about old people, the uterus shows that it is a little more than 600,000 in ukraine, there are 30 million of people who have the right to vote, it is not even all ukrainians, 30 million people have the right to vote. that is, we mean that 2% of ukrainians actually voted for, for example, replacing the trident, so there is a difference of 94% and 2%. well, it seems to me that there is a certain manipulation here. well, you can it may seem like that, but any sociological survey is a sample, and from it an extrapolation is made to the entire surveyed population. well, you know what a sample is, it can also be a sample, it's just people who have smartphones who decided to vote, well, it's not a choice . i understand your position, okay, your opinion is clear, you can consider that it is well, not the way you
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like it, that there is no manipulation here in such a factory, so that you explain how such a calculation was carried out. that is, please explain what this figure is based on, as we calculated it, i ask for your word. well, we are every citizen of ukraine who has an e-e account and in the electronic application. i want to emphasize that this is people from absolutely all areas of completely different social groups of different age groups, this those who do not work those who work and people under 60 people after 60- 18 plus of different categories of different education and so on and so on and millions of people have the opportunity to access this account and uh, accordingly, all those who want to take participation and this in
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in this case, the survey is about almost 800,000 people participated in it and voted for how they see the future of the national memorial about the history museums of the street to say that the people who took part in the voluntary survey in the application are 94% of them. well, it's simple. we're just now reaching some limits of understanding reality , well, that is, if you look at the full text of the information message, it says that the citizens who took part in the action, well, that is, it's obvious from the context, uh, if it's possible some more well, maybe i'll revise it. in fact, i'm using this announcement. i don't see the last one. i don't see the institute. what's joining our conversation ? mykhailo kalnytskyi, kyiv expert, historian, member of the board of the kyiv city organization of the ukrainian society for the preservation of historical and cultural monuments. congratulations, mr. mykhailo. we can't hear you
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now, we're stabilizing the audio connection for the time being anton's shotgun question, we know that the head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance is also at the front, he's a soldier, anton, where where are you actually now and what is the situation on this part of the front where are you in the middle of the front we stand guarding the border and the crossing and the bridge on the border from the kyiv region from the kyiv region i serve in the 112th brigade of territorial defense so here is the glory by god, everything is calm, but we are preparing if someone decides to come from the north. well , we will meet our company, for sure, in fact, we are very worried .
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midnight, especially after oleksandr lukashenko's recent statements that belarus supports russian aggression and that it is actually just self-defense against nato countries that planned to attack these two countries, well, we see that our defenders are holding the lines, and the defense of kyiv region is also being strengthened mr. antonin, a few words on this topic, how in your opinion has the defense of kyiv region changed during these 149, almost 150 days of the war? well, i am not actually a military expert and i can only see my area , where our platoon, in particular, and our company are standing everywhere, actually, i see that they are really digging into the defense structures, and the military is providing me with this, but i can't tell you the general situation there in the defense sectors, because i, well
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, i don't have such a vision, i'm not an expert on this in this story, i wouldn't want to, eh this is to comment so that it is not some kind of profanation. and if i wanted to add something to the reply, it is very important that now we do not hold not only our directly military front, but also informational, in particular, what the mass media do, because access and information about what is happening in the country of ensuring the freedom of its own is a very important story and i would like some constructive understanding to prevail and not quarrels, because, for example, from this story with the mother of the motherland , at first there were various insinuations that it was there treason , the rollback of decommunization, but we see that 94% of all citizens of ukraine who voted in the application act, uh, how did mr. yury correct uh, this is really evidence of the fact that we have, well, such a
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national consensus regarding the rethinking of the soviet heritage, but now you said that you agree with my opinion and then you continue. i apologize for manipulating because the number of people who are interested in voting in the survey that you proposed and 600,000 of such people have gathered is approximately 2% of , again, people from the right-wing voice in ukraine this does not mean that all ukrainians or the majority of ukrainians support exactly such an idea. well, simply, even if it is true that the majority of ukrainians support everything, but the data you refer to cannot give you the right to draw such conclusions. the thing is also about the old doctor, if you look at the quality of the representation of the action application and speak expertly about it, you will be convinced that you will not come, but i do not want to enter this discussion because i see that you are involved, it is unpleasant for you. then let's not vote on it i would like you to be involved as well, since you head your own institute of national memory, which should
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be interested in preserving ukrainian national memory and, on the contrary, let's say, clean it of imperial and russian narratives and there imperial monuments and so on and so on, but it turns out mykhailo kalnytskyi is an expert historian. let's listen to his opinion, mr. mykhailo. please formulate the question that we are currently considering. of the coat of arms, or rather the coat of arms on the shield of the motherland, this survey was conducted in the action application and was initiated by the ministry of culture and information policy, and the ukrainian institute of national remembrance, the ministry of culture launched survey what are we going to do with the coat of arms of the ussr on the shield of the motherland-mother monument and there are already
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results that indicate that those who voted believe that it is necessary to replace this coat of arms with the state coat of arms of ukraine, but my colleague is very worried about that what is the representativeness of this sample? andriy emphasizes that only 2% of ukrainians voted. and it is presented in such a way that 94% of ukrainians no longer show completely different things for me. i just say that when we are, when someone says, for example, what is this is the opinion of the majority referring it is based on the results of the poll where 600,000 people voted, so you can't katush, it's 94% of ukrainians , because we can only say that it's two percent of the total number of people, relatively speaking, who can have an effect, for some reason, decided to express themselves, it's very simple my understanding is that there is no p. mykhailo, we will be more
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interested in the name and the idea. is it? is it, that is, who should actually make this decision or should it not be a decision made by politicians, of course, but primarily on the basis of expert opinion."
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the main music academy of the country, which had to get rid of the name of pyotr tchaikovsky. yes, you also write about it in your blog. well, about other important monuments of the initiative that also need a new approach. so let's still conclude with a decision and responsibility, who it will be borne and who should make such a decision, yes, well, first of all, regarding the comment about representativeness, i agree that this action is actually not some hundred percent sociological tool and it is absolutely absolutely. by the way, i apologize to the company yuriy
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ivanovich, i’m sorry, this is a big question, it’s logical and actually very interesting, it’s just young people, i’m with the help of a side where there is a huge sociological survey, which i don’t agree with you andrei percent of ukrainians were determined in that and the sociological group shown is like this. that is, there is a movement there, we are talking about 2,000 people here, 800 thousand for participation, well, it is simply not comparable, but if it is representative after the sociological one too it is fair, because the methodology is different there, so here it cannot be clean, as far as decision-making is concerned, this survey is even in action. it actually only helps, well, for us, for the institute. it is important that it was conducted and it showed that there is such a large group of people ready to support uh actually decommunization and de-sovietization or sovietization , you want to finally remove that shame from the shield, because
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a law was passed years ago in the 18th year, all generations of governments, the administration, then the office of the presidents, no one raised a hand on this, well no one had a majority in the president's parliament to do this, and no one can do it, and why? because everyone who was in the previous government from the president's office, oh, let's not touch this topic, including the institute from memory, fought over this topic, they are all fine, everything is very patriotic they tore up vyshyvanka, but as soon as it reached the second world war, this topic immediately disappeared, now we have such a tool and such support that will help to do this, a decision must be made , or the government must issue an order not to install or the ministry of culture and information policy on the balance of which is proper and the motherland-mother, why join mykhailo kalnytskyi by phone, let's while there is a possibility of communication, let's ask, mykhailo, the fate of the monument motherland-mother, the discussion around this issue, what are your thoughts
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here, please concentrate, because we don't have time here on the one hand, the very procedure of the survey seems to me that in this case the principle is not important because it is only some markers of public opinion. and regarding the relationship to a building or a structure similar to this monument motherland motherland should the e-e use the legislation or not, it is known that this object is a cultural heritage object and thus any changes to it can only take place through the relevant official decisions of the government or the ministry of culture. it depends on the e-e and what rank -sights, but with regard to
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this coat of arms. well, the question arises whether we are at all rethinking what the exposition of the museum of the history of ukraine in the second world war reflects, that is, if this museum is dedicated to the victory over nazism during the war in the 45th year. well, and previous events. well of course, we know that certain states won and ukraine and the ukrainian ssr at that time were part of the ussr, that is, according to this approach , the coat of arms of the ussr is supposed to be. well, it corresponds to the museum that appeared in 1981, if we now reconsider that the museum and the monument are dedicated to to the ukrainian
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national forces who, in one way or another, fought against nazism in the second world war well, it just needs to be explained. it needs to be formulated and further decided what will happen to this coat of arms, i.e. accordingly ukraine antonovych thank you mr. mykhailo u we have very little time left before the news, mr. anton , well, you have heard the arguments, mr. mr. mykhailo. i was interested to hear your thoughts at the end, in fact, the issue of changing the concept of rethinking the museum exposition of the museum in the history of ukraine in the second world war is also a must. that is, we can not without any - what kind of comment - this is a question to be decided unambiguously, it must be a statement. it is obvious that there must be a reconceptualization of the museum, and this is a big question that concerns the general rethinking of the legacy of the second world war. what is in this heritage from the soviet era, propaganda and,
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well, manipulation of history, which must be removed and marked, what is in the museum of the second world war, which is precisely the name it bears. now the memorial complex has an exposition dedicated to the ukrainian east

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