he would generally these two stories of the signing and the actual export of grain from ukraine, the signing took place in this world ukraine on the one hand demonstrated that we are ready to talk about and solve global problems although the problem is global now there is only one in the world this is the war in ukraine and on the other hand the russians did it is important for them that they started some kind of negotiations on this matter, and the fact that he was present at all the negotiations speaks of how important this is for the russian federation, how further events will develop, who what will export well, it seems to me that there are more reservations in ukraine and the russians, you know , have demonstrated that the guys no one will do anything, we wanted to spit on all these agreements eh and eh, in fact, today is the day - all these

agreements are stillborn. thank you. i think we need to go to e- is actually another topic where we also need your expert opinion , gentlemen, what is going on with ukrainian citizenship in general, as it turns out, so korban left the borders of our country, he wanted to go, but it turned out that something happened wrong, we do not have christina has access to the secret decrees of the president , so fortunately, we cannot confirm whether this decree was about depriving korban of his citizenship or not. well, the facts remain the facts and there are not enough of them, because if it were some kind of story, i don’t know if it’s a half-joke prank or just hype situation out of the blue, there should be an official comment that would refute uh such manipulation p olezhe what is happening with citizenship for some ukrainian citizens are

they not citizens anymore we don't even know, well according the constitution of citizens, because no one has the right to deprive a citizen of a court, we do not have anyone who could , so to speak, analyze this situation. we have a constitutional court, but the question of its legitimacy is still open. that the urban practice that was involved in soviet times in ukraine is not possible because of this, it was clearly written in the constitution if the person himself did not write a statement, if he does not have another citizenship and he comes out of of ukrainian, even if she has another citizenship , she did not write a statement . not the politician who is now or the figure who now

has the total sympathy of society so that it stands up for him despite all the issues of security now and stability in the country in the face of russia for ukrainians is closer to the body than the issue of citizenship korban has a calculation for this, but it is all recorded in a deferred promissory note in a check, which will then be presented to today's authorities already after the war, and here it is necessary to understand that any such arbitrariness accumulates, and earlier in ukraine there was a presumption that no one bears any responsibility among politicians, everyone pretends to catch up with each other, but in the end , a new team comes and no one is responsible, because everyone understands what rank they will come, and what will happen to me, and where will i be, and then they will catch up with me, and no one will zelenskyi didn't touch anyone - he broke it, on the one hand, it's good, but on the other hand, because it was done arbitrarily, now with regard to zelenskyi, the same situation will be his team in the future, and it is quite likely that the next government will now be able to either act arbitrarily or act according to the law and

bring to justice for such steps. but it will be clear later that society will not react to it and now it will be written off and in no way will such a step, let's say, wash away the reputation of the president as the commander-in-chief in this situation, but definitely reduce his chances of being re-elected as president and as a politician. and it will return as soon as canada's artillery stops , is mr. yuriy podorozhny so sure of this, because it seems to me that victory and uh can be an indulgence for uh a large number of conscious and unconscious mistakes, i am afraid that thanks to the victory, they will be ready to forgive anything or the government, what a dangerous moment it is, mr. yurii. well, it was not for nothing that i noted at the beginning of the program that i am a political technologist in this

the decree contained not only the surname of korban, yes. if it really exists, there was also the main surname, the surname of kolomoiskyi, and look how we are discussing with you not the main surname, but actually a secondary one. if this is really the case, both kolomoiskyi and kolomoiskyi’s citizenship are taken away in the most interesting place . that the kolomoisky championship was screwed up, they screwed it up, you can already see it, the enemies are no longer allowed to convey the truth, which means i will return there, the main surname of kolomoisky, and in principle if kolomoisky is stripped of his citizenship today, well, it is possible. in this way, he is being washed and or smeared from the oligarchs, so that the law on oligarchs , he akhmetov slammed whole channels in order not

to have this status and calmly sue russia for those billions, and kolomoisky, what a boy, he is not stupid . i came up with a scheme, so that you and i are not discussing kolomoisky, but korban or someone else. well, in principle, korban is a suitable candidate . the situation is also not to let them into the country, well, well, well, mr. kolomoisky did it, if this is true, then in principle the course is logical and understandable, so there is nothing to say about the prokarban. well, let them figure it out there themselves with their 20 or two passports. everyone of them, but the fact that it is a political game and we are now hmm, so to speak, lately we have started to see more and more political toys, if

our spring was a military one, then the government obviously today really wants to make autumn hotly political , so for me these are the messages if this not true the testing of public opinion, including what will happen. and how will they react? i am not a lawyer, but i am moving towards the fact that this is all illegal, that you cannot deprive the citizens of ukraine of their citizenship even if they have violated something and received the citizenship of other countries, so this is society being tested, and how we are in a state of war, today we will react to such rather sensitive surnames, and this is how we react, we talk, we talk about a damaged picture, they made a beautiful video for us, how a girl takes his passport, well, brilliant theater, why a girl, an officer the border guard takes his passport, that

is, we will not. yes, who will we see on the screen? yes, in any case, i would like to clarify with panas okean . on the president's website and just checked. yes, it is not there, it is not published in any case. well, after all, it is not signed. so, if these are real documents, for what purpose, what consequences will the deprivation of his citizenship have for kolomoisky, well, they usually look like decrees the president is a little different, the form is different, that's why i would doubt that this is a real document, but here the problem is that it is precisely the lack of information that gives rise to any such versions and, let's say, forces us to discuss rather rumors and phenomena how come they didn't let korban in without showing and explaining e for kolomoisky of course, this is an opportunity to deviate from the law what

mr. yuri said, i completely agree, but on the other hand, another elevated status appears here, we remember that according to kolomoisky, there are several hm criminal proceedings in different countries and accordingly. the question is that how to extradite him in case of which ukraine also acts like that if he is not a citizen of ukraine, then he can extradite him because citizens of ukraine cannot be extradited and this actually puts him in an even more vulnerable position in relation to the ukrainian authorities in the case of what, but besides that really brings it under the influence of the law and here is how here and who sold the soul to whom it is difficult to say now, but this series is only at its beginning well , we will not add anything next time representatives of the inquisition tribunal i want to add according to the words of mr. oleg, you know he really puts kolomoiskyi in an expressive position, but judging by the number of courts that he won the state of ukraine, his position is not quite vulnerable in ukraine,

thank you, thank you, and we are moving on. mr. yurii vaskov, deputy minister of infrastructure of ukraine, congratulations to the heroes , the agreements were signed literally yesterday to bring ukrainian grain out of ukrainian ports, to do it safely and not under shelling. today the port in odesa is subjected to a massive missile strike and there is information that the infrastructure of the port itself has been damaged and that there was already grain there that they wanted to export eh, you as the deputy minister of infrastructure have data, but what is actually happening now in the odesa eh port how big are the damage to the infrastructure that we are talking about now, well , despite the fact that the damage to the infrastructure that

will be involved in the export of grain, they almost do not exist, nevertheless, it is definitely a negative situation that definitely complicates the export process of grain, but it will not stop him, that is, according to the data we have at the moment, the infrastructure related to the export of grain was not affected, but i repeat that this is a negative case, of course, and we immediately informed the parties who signed this initiative about this situation. it is the secretary general of the united nations and the minister of defense of turkey. thank you, yuri. we also include kateryna yareska, a journalist from the peacemaker center, who specializes in the problems of the black sea

basin, in particular, and try our grain. i would like to to return to the situation with the signed papers in istanbul eh, mr. yurii, that is, at the moment there was not any extraordinary meeting in this case, and everything works according to the current documents, yes no, i do not think that it is according to the current documents, definitely this step is destructive with on the part of russia , and it was precisely on this occasion that they signed no document with the russian federation because we have no trust in this state, but were signed by the organization of the united nations and the turkish authorities . right now, turkey is already undergoing a technical a meeting at which it is discussed when the coordination center will be created. we are planning that it will be created and it will work tomorrow and i repeat once again that due to financial difficulties we are stopping and continuing to continue preparing

for the implementation of this initiative on our part , that is, technically preparing the three ports of odesa of the region for the possibility of exporting grain and products of the corresponding e-e processing, to technically prepare, it also means to actually demine at least partially i understand correctly, no, it is to develop, it is military question i mean preparing the port infrastructure, the port terminals, the appropriate portals, the fleet, personnel, etc. ms. kateryna, well , then the question will be for you yesterday, the arrangements today, the shelling and ah, although the south command is really operational, it confirms that the russian missiles did not hit the warehouses grain in odesa port , but there was a minor fire and there was destruction of the infrastructure, well, it will be very demonstrative, in fact, the story is

interesting to me, how do you evaluate the agreements as a whole , and the document that is now about we are also talking about today, which in your opinion actually refutes or does not refute all these agreements. good afternoon. well, all this is the subject of such a thorough discussion in the expert environment, we all exchange information and note that unfortunately, we do not know much and cannot, well to analyze this situation well, for example, what kind of agreement did russia sign, they showed us the agreement signed by ukraine, uh, we were able to evaluate it there, uh, there are certain doubts, yes, because well, for example, uh, hmm, eh, andriy was running, he posted this

agreement and commented that the created coordination center will ensure the safety of these shipments. well , i have a question, how can a coordination center in general ensure safety? well, the answer is no. yes . in other words, there must be completely different means for it to be safe, and if you allow me, i want to ask yuri a question . unfortunately, unfortunately, in the text of this document signed by the minister, the incorrect names of our ports are indicated, it is indicated that chornomorsk, chornomorskyi yuzhne, instead of pivdenna, are international, e.e., internationally recognized names of ports why did such an unfortunate mistake occur in the document? yuri, first of all, the document was prepared

by the united nations organization, as well as the initiative itself comes from this organization regarding the name, well , this is a technical issue. i don't think that it has much serious meaning and will be corrected already at the next stages when the documents of the activities of the coordination center will be developed, it is possible that what is written about the points is not the provision of themselves without safe, yes, court by court, this is important for us, the name i i don't think that my document is changing, mr. yuriy, how should the coordination center work in general , is there already such a scheme, i don't know, yes, and accordingly, what powers would he have, because we understand that at one time on the front line in donetsk luhansk regions had a new kind of initiative. so we understand that the

militants and the russian military regularly violated them. the coordination center should be created in istanbul right now. technical meetings are being held there regarding the conditions and the time of its launch. time, we hope that it will happen already tomorrow, representatives of all four parties will enter the center in accordance with the initiative, the center must supervise lathes and coordinate the implementation of this initiative, that is, in practice, it will look like this: the administration of the three ports will receive applications from port operators, there are no owners to the arrival and departure of vessels transporting agricultural products and will provide this information to the coordination center, the coordination center will also participate in the care of these vessels in turkish territorial waters and then monitor the movement of these ships to the ports of greater odessa

and in the opposite direction, mrs. kateryna, returning to your own question. you noticed that the names of the ukrainian fruits that will be discussed are not spelled correctly. this actually invalidates a signed document well, it can hardly invalidate it it's just that they are discussing the quality of this document prepared by the un and that guide which is defined by the un for some reason, he did not take into account the names of the ports. this is very strange. well, i would also like to ask another question, er, now er, a message has arrived from berdyansk that four large vessels are being loaded there, er, and the size of er-

100,000 t of grain consignments that will be transported and they are going to transport this grain to e-e world international markets. was it somehow stipulated in the contracts or will we consider it contraband and continue criminal proceedings regarding violations of the state border of ukraine not quite ours the competence is criminal proceedings, but definitely the information we have about the vessels of the violators , and entering ukrainian ports closed to ukraine is definitely a violation of the convention of international law, we inform the relevant authorities and appropriate response measures are taken , including, as you said, criminal

proceedings, including the notification of the international maritime organization of other foreign countries and e-e in the future proposals in e-e imposed additional sanctions on the company that owns these vessels from yesterday to yesterday initiative, this definitely does not apply in any way, it is not foreseen and the question was still visible that what was signed by turkey to the united nations and russia was signed in the same text only by individual parties who i have already mentioned well, and regarding the name again, i suggest not to pay attention to the letter of the name, but to us more serious things, ugu and yuriy, well, accordingly, i would like you to clarify such things, that is, today the first supplies of ukrainian grain should be implemented, that is previously indicated the date of july 23. well, and the second

point, i would like to clarify the level of preparation of the ports, we are talking about odesa pivdenny and chornomorsk. well, today it was not planned to carry out the first shipment, because only yesterday the initiative was signed, and we said yesterday that within three days we expect that a carabination center will be formed and then the first shipment will be possible, this is the first in terms of readiness. well , we also said yesterday that the first port we consider to be chornomorsk within four days from signing we planned to do it then odesa and then the south port, we expect that within two weeks from the moment of signing the initiative - these three ports can provide the possibility of exporting grain products and food products or prepared ports for

certain monitoring missions to be located there, in general, how would it be it looked like, according to the initiative , monitoring missions in the ports are not foreseen, but we invited him, and he is already within the framework of this initiative to be present, they confirmed that is when we expect the dispatch of the first ship, we will definitely invite them to monitor directly in our ports, eh, all these measures, ms. kateryna, what questions to you, eh, we are now also convinced by the main intelligence department of budanov that, let's say, partial demining ports in order to be able to export grain will in no way affect the security situation in the regions as a whole

for the enemy, it is possible. well, i am not an expert here. of course , it is vodanov who should listen to this question, but i am not worried about the fact that additional risks are created, and our armed forces, which defend us from the aggressor, are already very busy and to create such risks well, in my opinion, it can be difficult and uh, that 's why those we have are river ports things, you have now shown a picture of banderma sports, and there, in addition to fedor, he brought grain from sevastopol,

which is still standing at the anchorage stoyanka, and, well , probably after a week, they won’t let him go, for now ford but there are still many ships that came from of our river ports from reni and it is very good that such transportation is organized, and well, we can express a compliment to the deputy minister present here that the ministry is working on this and this is exactly the way that we should in any case if not this situation with the black sea has ended ports, we need to develop it. thank you, ms. kateryna, mr. yuryu, i would like to clarify, but we generally have a plan b. we understand that with the same success with which the russians attacked odessa today, something

similar, some kind of provocation can also happen with regard to these or other ships. so, we understand that discussed the story about the possibility of converting our railway capacities and using polish capabilities, in particular , the creation of certain cargo hubs on the territory of poland. well, in general, the change there, i don’t know, the transition from broad to narrow gauge. i understand that the story about the tracks of the railway are for years. but maybe there are some chances to do it all quickly. if the enemy wants to disrupt the signed agreements , there is definitely an alternative way of logistics. they must be developed, and here i completely agree with kateryna, and we have been doing it for one month. we are developing the capacity of western railway crossings of the western traffic crossings and our danube ports precisely for this reason. according

to the results of june, for example, 2.5 million t.e. of agricultural products alone were exported precisely alternative ways and they continue to increase their throughput because we, well , definitely well, yes, there may be different situations when unblocking the ports of greater odessa, we prepared for this. unfortunately, our entire transport infrastructure has been working there since february 24 due to constant risk and shelling, and well, this does not mean that we should stop, and in any case, all types of transport will be used, and we will do everything possible to ensure the demand of our exporters and importers during the war, and also one short question, after all, the bridge across the estuary is here. antin tells me a completely logical story . well, probably as often as the russians still use it,

for no reason in our country. can we talk about the fact that it is somehow used for infrastructural purposes? we don't understand why there is such attention to this bridge , yes, no, we don't understand, but the quality of our infrastructure is not always logical at all. hmm in order to have an alternative the railway connection with this region is ending, the construction of the railway crossing between besarabia and berezino is a route between moldova and ukraine that has not been used for 25 years. on june 23, work began somewhere on august 8-9. the railway promises to launch this alternative route, which will allow for a railway connection by email, the removal of the specified bridge. thank you, yurii vaskov,

deputy minister of infrastructure of ukraine, and kateryna yaresko, a journalist who investigates the facts of illegal crossing and export of grain by russians by pirates well, they deprived us a little bit, yes, we deprived them a little bit , mrs. kateryna, we hope. next time we will take a break for a few minutes and go to the information release. be with the press. they are strengthening the hull. in addition, they gave an iron-type foundation so that it could be held back by bullets with military equipment. there will be so many needs, we will work and do 24 hours a day, we rolled up our sleeves, i, the auto craftsmen, are making their contribution, now this is fire, that is pumped into our joint victory, because

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