i am only the first necessary condition, but membership in nato is also a sufficient condition, because it gives us the prospect of a peaceful life for us and our children, and i can ask you two things. liberate the entire territory of ukraine well, it is not some line, we stop, it doesn't matter which line it is at the moment, well, some line is the administrative border of the regions of some kind of excavation, but at the same time we do not recognize that this is all our territory, we say that part of our territory is occupied, and russia, in turn, says that we occupied a part of its territory of the people's republics, it doesn't matter whether it 's the kherson region that voted for russia or it doesn't mean that this is a frozen conflict, well , first of all, there is only a military and technical problem regarding

the liberation of these territories is clearly ukrainian territories, they will definitely be in ukraine, it is only a matter of time and price, the question is whether there is a military effort today to liberate donbass i will repeat myself once again, i would really like it, but from my trench i didn’t see it, god forbid that i was just an ordinary soldier who can’t see the whole map and all the reserves. the same applies to the crimea and the second question we can and should release during the campaign this year, but i also of course cannot go into details and the second question and the second question to yuri, sir, i'm sorry, you know very well the history of stalin's letter to the german chancellor odinar when he proposed the unification of germany on the condition of non-adherence. prison country, he simply knew how to wait for the germans in

order to return their lands to uh, hide it, knew how to wait for it to crash into me. another question, i wanted to ask yuriy something else. i'm not, i'm not even arguing with you, i'm just clarifying. do you believe that ukraine can to join nato when the issue of its territorial integrity will not be clarified and this is a serious issue, non-standard, but there are such presidents in the history of nato, moreover, today's situation in ukraine and in the world is unprecedented, from my point of view, too well, at least the leadership is well aware nato that putin's victory is the opening of a hot third world, not cold as it was in the times of the confrontation between the ussr and the usa, but hot. when the club of dictators, inspired by putin's victories in ukraine, will start the same actions all over the planet. therefore, this is unprecedented, and the weight of today's events in ukraine

is not only for us and for this world, and since it is so, nato should take an unprecedented decision, the umbrella of security over ukraine is the salt and security over the entire free world. the prosecutor general of ukraine was in touch with us now yuriy lutsenko is fighting in the kherson region and is joining our broadcast right now pavlo klimkin diplomatics minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-19 co-founder of the center for national stability and development congratulations mr. pavly congratulations congratulations mr. mr. let's start because of what we finished with mr. lutsenko well, what are the important things you i don't know if you heard the end of the conversation well, just half a minute well, in any case, these are classic questions, so, uh, we, we, you, yuriy, not now allows for such a possibility of such a simple liberation of the entire territory of ukraine, including the donbass, in addition to talking about military means, and at

the same time i believe that this will not be a frozen conflict and if we manage to stop military actions on some lines, and i have a question, please, it will be frozen will it be a conflict, uh, is it the definition of frozen or something else but nevertheless , until the moment when all the territories are liberated, it will of course be a conflict that will be continued in english there is even a special the term is called a protector, then the second question . and if ukraine imagines that it has liberated all its territories and russia continues to consider crimea as russian and donetsk luhansk as a people 's republic or something else, is it a frozen conflict or not yet, but it did not name the name of the conflict , it is about whether or not listen really, either we

freed or we didn’t free, there is no other way here and the third question is whether ukraine can become a member of nato if the issue of its territorial integrity is not finally resolved, maybe it is, i definitely can to say, since such an option is currently being discussed, this will require a non-trivial approach. but nevertheless , non-trivial services may be possible. i will not continue further. in my opinion, how it can be resolved is that ukraine signs some kind of memorandum , let's say at the time of joining nato, that if its territorial integrity is not resolved, that it is not from its free territory by military means. it may be that the fifth article is distributed only in the territory over which we exercise full

control. hmm, for example, well, in fact, it is yes. it is well accepted. it is a wonderful formula. by the way, it seems to me that this was the first time that it was heard . this is the first time that it was heard. the idea itself was first voiced, i said i had not heard of such a thing, and i did not even read about it in klimkin's interview, i also did not read klimkin's interview. i am simply stating the fact. well, this is an important thesis. agree. thank you for the textbook, however, this option this is no no tro- this is not trolling, this is actually a recommendation from rectors to news rectors to pay attention to this that sometimes, sometimes an accent is just an accent , nothing more. that this forum takes place every year for the second year at the initiative of the usa and actually in the third week of july

opinion leaders gather this time in prague in order to honor and support the enslaved peoples in their struggle for independence. well, mr. pavlo, what are the main messages forum of the free peoples of russia this year. of course, what we are most interested in is when and from where the disintegration of russia will begin and the liberation of those peoples it has enslaved, who today are being sent to ukraine to fight here as cannon fodder and to die for putin. the main thing is a change in the atmosphere and a change in emotions, because people start to believe in themselves, we inspire them, before they believed that the liberation of the peoples was the liberation of russia, the fall of the regime.

a real conversation begins, options are offered , the possibilities of cooperation between various movements are discussed, and not only national smaller movements, but also other logical movements, and in fact it is already a completely serious conversation and really the atmosphere . further, how to prepare campaigns in social networks and many more prs, which continent will not be talked about, i just want to share with you some of my reflections on this the reason is that i have been dealing with the topic of the russian republics since the late 1980s and early 1990s of the last century, and i remember well that at that time i was among those journalists who believed that the peoples of the russian federation could also win

at least some sovereignty simply because they acted in the union, one can say not in the soviet union , but in the political union with the peoples of the union republics, who were strong players because the ethnic russians were no more than 50%. in the soviet union, it is not so much as in modern russia, russians are 85%. i am more and more often i return to my conversation with president boris yelts, which took place shortly after the leadership of the russian federation came forward with the idea of ​​declaring the independence of the russian federation from the soviet union, and when i tried to understand why this was necessary because i was a convinced opponent of this idea and under during one of these short discussions, president yeltsin told me that if russia becomes an independent state, the russian republics will have nowhere to go.

now 30 years later, and even more so against the background of the fact that russia is actually ruled by a convinced chauvinist. because putin is not, it is not by itself that he is a bridge, he destroys the languages ​​of the peoples of russia. he destroys these very peoples. maria is absolutely right. especially in the unfortunate autonomous districts of the former autono-buryat regions. there simply will be no young men there soon, and christ emphasizes that part of the population in the hall are buddhists , she is a specialist. well, these are soviet buddhists. and these chauvinistic russians are russians

who watch tv absolutely agree but nevertheless , there is no russian nation, there is a russian ethnic group that is actually very different in different regions these are big questions, so talk about the dominance of the so-called russian ethnic group in many districts , including the autonomous ones that you are talking about, this is clearly an obstacle here. in fact, i am not sure. take the classic case of this path. where approximately a ratio of 50 to 50, are there interests of the russians and angular and such as bridges, the answer is definitely no, by the way, the forum members also say that this is also true for different regions, so

you actually have a song, a schedule and specific other models are discussed models can be implemented even under the condition of training the russian ethnic group in different regions and a small remark about the construction of buddhism does not mean that it should be absolutely peaceful. i want to show you that in all the driving countries of southeast asia, juntas and by the way, they took it so that people who should be no others can fight. yes, sometimes inclined to the city, one thing does not interfere with the other here, it just does not interfere with them. in this way, they certainly do not have anything to do with rebelling against putin here, at least religiously, you know maria, where are you? mr. pavlo, in 1989, in the

estonian magazine vicar car this was the future organ of the people's front of estonia, i wrote such a text entitled русским многообразия нации, in which i tried to prove that russians in each union republic are a separate nation and not a common nation ethnos because i said well, look at the russians in ukraine, estonia and turkmenistan. they live according to completely different values, they perceive reality in completely different categories. well, by the way, this was shown by the process of development of the soviet propaganda of the soviet union, ethnic russians living in ukraine today protect ukraine, ethnic russians who live in estonia are not going to leave for russia from there i know the estonian language most of them become part of european life ah ah ah russians in russia treat them like enemies very often well, i didn't think that this criterion could be applied to russians in the national republics of russia, but i'm just saying that it's an interesting idea that it can be spread, it's just that i didn't get to it then 100% says about it what were

your questions absolutely correct, i will give you another example. of course, i am not saying that parallels should be drawn here, but compare the english, the scots, the parlanders, and the hopefuls, who are the americans. well , their language is still english, but the value system and even the way of life are completely different. it is even more true for russia. well, how and what connects those who represent the russian ethnic group there in the far east and somewhere opposite st. petersburg somewhere in the kuban. these are completely different people with different lifestyles and an iron value system, mr. peacock and at the end of our conversation let's talk a little about the istanbul grain agreement, but it was signed yesterday, russia and ukraine signed mirror documents with turkey and the united nations on the unblocking

of ports for grain export and this morning the shelling of the infrastructure in the port of odesa was aimed at the very place where the grain fortunately did not hit, but what does this mean, what signals is putin giving and will the agreement work, please? putin will continue to raise rates , this is what he always does. i'm sorry, it depends on me and that you don't do it without me, you wo n't do it , so let's talk further. the russian peoples in the countries of africa and necessarily in the east did not dominate the hunger of some kind artificially created and for many or not but putin

will continue to try to create such tricks and calculate some preferences for himself or in the case of negotiations there for the opportunity a stronger position or, as i suspect, in order to play with knocking down santa well, yes, a little bit, a little bit but nevertheless, to go astray, say in this case, in principle, putin is interested in somehow averting the danger of famine, he will contribute to this maybe at least at the expense of his grain, he will try, and first of all, russia is very strict in demanding the lifting of all restrictions not only on the export of food , but on the export of goods x, for example. not to take the western world under control, and

only russia is the savior there in asia - it does not work. and in some african countries, unfortunately , it works, and it is very important for us to explain that we could not, as people, as people, and not in the session of some russian reality, and people are people, uh, they worry about it, we use these opportunities for ourselves, but for this we need to say it on our fingers in the same way and explain that our war is with russia. explain in some african countries and do you have the feeling that the world has already yielded some elements of pressure on the russian federation, it is possible, er, the transit of the turbine, the lifting of restrictions on food banks, what they are waiting for, you can also mention i would say yes, i do not see

concessions, but i see the beginning of complex trade, complex talks with russia, so far these are not concessions , but nevertheless, the search for a balance in those positions that are the most sensitive and critical, and i am worried that this may lead to a movement in the direction of efforts from russia to look at a certain future reality, this is what concerns the turbine. we understand very well that germany has not yet survived the sub-russian occupation, and there is a story being spun about whether it is so cold in winter or not, inflation, what does it all think, let's move somewhere and me really i am very worried about the setup in germany and

the crazy company deployed there, so i don’t see any serious concessions. but i see the beginning of a conversation with russia and it is very important, you understand, to allow it to go in the wrong direction. and now, if you want, not yet the moment of truth, but already a critical moment is approaching so that we do not start discussing which sanctions can remain, which can not, and so on. this conversation is generally very dangerous if it starts, but the authorities started today. i always believed as he said today elections, he actually wants to come to some kind of agreement, he said that in the city pole, and it was actually known for the time being, it is very important that the un at least does not violate european solidarity and does not lick the females, i am afraid that they will at some point he will say give me this cheap russian

hydroelectric power plant that was agreed upon with this act in moscow, then i will not be only for european solidarity, but if you don't give it, i will somehow arrange surprises for you, and this also worries me very much. thank you, mr. pavlo pavlo klimkin diplomatics minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, the co-founder of the center for national stability and development was our guest , and right now we are moving on to economic topics , but we will also talk about the istanbul zer. we will also talk about the impact on the ukrainian economy, economy, education. of the economic development of ukraine, we congratulate you mr. erika. good evening, please don't miss us, because we have just talked about the istanbul grain agreement, we will touch on its economic aspects, the minister of infrastructure kubrakov, who signed the document from the ukrainian side, claims that the agreement is a great support for the

ukrainian economy, and more than 20 million tons of grain have been in warehouses since last year, the new crop is also waiting for export, and this is direct foreign currency income and conditions for the stability of our state, which will allow us to strengthen and the economy and the army. well, they are talking about the fact that world food prices will decrease with - this is - the flywheel will restrain inflation, which has become a problem for the whole world, are you so optimistic about the signing of this agreement, will it really be able to be so stimulating for the economy of ukraine and the world ? for 10 billion and this is the past harvest for 10 billion and for 5 billion and plus here is the future harvest that has

already begun to be collected for another 5 billion 10 billion dollars is approximately 5% of the pre-war ukraine or approximately 7.5 -8% of the military in ukraine is current, that is, a significant figure, but i will tell you honestly today ukrainian grain is much more important for turkey, egypt , many arab countries, and primarily in african countries, than for ukraine, so i would connect more and more acts so that these countries somehow signed up for exports from ukraine. uninterrupted, even separately , sunflower oil, by the way, not only grain is prescribed there, but i would also prescribe the possibility of imports from ukraine, because we are talking only about exports, guys. we still need to receive imports from

us, not only exports. it's also money because logistics is expensive, so it's a very complex issue and it needs to be expanded further, what else is deyan francis, editor of the canadian national in a row, a senior research associate of the atlantic council, in one of her recent materials, she talks about the term putinflation and outlines putin's actions, this is the curbing of gas supplies and oil what harms europe causes price increases well, while the whole world suffers from energy pressure, francis emphasizes, russia earns significantly more than before the war on each barrels cubic meters russian revenues from energy exports increased to more than 320 billion dollars and there were a little more than 235 e-e in 2021

143 billion in the twentieth well this is a significant increase compared to the 20th year more than twice how will all this affect eric on the situation in the world and when russia will begin to feel the economic effects of the war, when the sanctions will eventually hit its economy, will this moment come ? of food control over the planet because he now has eh he holds eh there with his oil and gas quite tightly 1 turn europe but not only and if he seized ukraine he would be exactly the same he would also hold corn and wheat you held the whole world with sunflower oil. and then, well, it would be such a cry that would

be very difficult to pull out of the body of the world economy , and that's why, as for the part, he won't be able to do it anymore, it 's already clear to everyone, it's obvious. as for the second part, that is, food inflation and uh no vytynaya gas inflation was almost not enough for peace somewhere in 2025, this is an attempt to hold the whole world by the throat of oil and gas, it will end because the transition to electric cars accelerated too fast and the demand for oil will fall sharply. putin was in a hurry to attack now because, first of all, they have a shortage of people in their work, but secondly, the whole world had to switch to green energy in the 25th year, so-called

green energy. it's already inevitable here, that's all here is a song from peta, and there will be a literally difficult transition, this is a difficult time, maybe an hour and a half , that’s when we will have to suffer the most difficult for europe and for the world or ukraine . this is winter, and we must prepare for the earth to survive it first of all for of the utility industry, and preserve production as much as possible next year putin is wasting his strategic initiative on blackmail, this is the second time it's just that the americans under trump have lost their

connection with the world, and now they are stopping their activities. he wrote, among other things, that this attack is inevitable, that russia will attack, and he also wrote that the united states will return from adolescence. well, they will become responsible and adults, that we are, in fact, now and we see, therefore, the sanctions against russia act like a suffocating boa and americans well, especially against such countries as uh, how uh, russia, which has nuclear weapons, they do not use hard peace, but suffocating ones, well, they will clearly

begin to act in the fall of this year, and by the summer of next year, they will have a commodity famine, everything is now aimed at creating a situation of commodity famine while they have money unfortunately, they have a lot of money, but that ’s because pay attention. the russian economy, and since russia is not capable of producing non-imported components without imported components, it's worse than the soviet union, they in the soviet union could produce much more than russia , so i'll have to be patient, i think for an hour

and a half, let's understand what's going on today with the hryvnia, the exchange rate has already been adjusted, yes, 36.6 is such a wonderful number. and what will happen next, anyway, well, let’s go. unfortunately, i’m looking at 40 today. what’s happening on the black market? they’re exchanging hryvnia on the black market. they’re already buying hryvnia. 39 is more expensive there with a tail, that is, we are still going to 40. i think that the situation is somewhere. it will be another month and a half. it is not very good for the hryvnia, and well, it is higher. forty, so far, i do not expect it to be such a psychological figure, and further a-a we will export. well, otherwise, we are already settling into a slightly better situation, a more stable situation with the arrival of international aid a-a well, these

two factors will allow me to stabilize the exchange rate by the fall, and already next year we will discuss the situation sooner this is why the hryvnia is so sharply strengthened as if to stop the sharp strengthening of the hryvnia, but after the hot phase finally ends and the money for the restoration of ukraine will begin to flow in. and about inflation, the national bank has sharply worsened the forecast for the 22nd year, inflation will exceed 30%. well, some experts say that if the government refuses to sequester the state budget , the main source of filling it will remain 2 hryvnias until the end of the year, and sri lankan inflation of 75% will await ukraine. well, what's next inflation and how the war will affect wallets and er-e purchase-promozh