we congratulate mr. dmytro on this fifth month. good day, mr. vitaly. well, how can we evaluate these five months with you? well, 50 to 50 is better than it seemed at the beginning and it is in the middle. for the marathon and they changed the settings, but i am a little more worried that people in our country are setting themselves up for some kind of such a quick and somewhat miraculous victory that will come by itself there until the winter or until the children go to school and so on, although in reality it can drag on for a very long time well, we reckon that the second phase of the war has ended right now, so it

will continue to be like this, and the operational pause has been announced, and it actually continues there with small deviations for missile attacks and local battles , but the armed forces, speaking in general about the results of five months, they maintain combat capability, they inflict losses on the enemy, although they themselves suffer losses . also, we broke through the dam with the supply of lethal and heavy weapons, and it is already scaling, if you can say so supplying these for ukraine ukraine is establishing a certain parity in the artillery fight, although in reality we have lost a lot of weapons, but it is also felt, but it is being replaced by more accurate western weapons, we can see this advantage of western weapons according to the recent events with the heimers, but, well, now such an intermediate

situation that uh, actually uh, while this pause lasts, then there will be a period when it will be possible to still occupy certain positions, well, such a war and if we still well, if and after we stay on these positions or on new positions gained, or possibly on some lost ones in some directions until the fall, and then there may be a new stage that will be connected with the winter such a positional war. and now we have such as now we have such an interim if you can say so well, the question arises, if this is almost happiness, how will the parties act when it ends, that is, the russians will

advance in the east, the ukrainians will advance in the south, do you think that some kind of participation is still possible, what about the russian children or you? some directions if you want. well, as we have already seen, it is impossible, at least at this military and political stage , because the understanding has come to our state leadership, at least it is connected with the fact that ukraine should get a stronger negotiating position, and our leadership has an understanding that this position can be obtained on in contrast to, er, such somewhat capitulant attitudes at the beginning of the war, er, what can happen, in principle, a lot can happen, again, i would like to draw attention to the fact that we prefer to notice successes in one direction and not

to notice certain defeats. in other areas, we want eh or them, and a certain part of the audience wants us to create cauldrons for the enemy. they want small local successes, for example, in kherson, in the direction to seem much bigger if they are reported more on social networks, well, this is not quite yes , but at the same time, if you look at another corner of this battle map, in fact, after leaving lysychansk, very little has changed in that direction. it is much better than it could have been, because in fact the enemy cannot even completely to report on the complete capture of luhansk region not to mention the fact that their task at the end of this second stage of the war

was the existence of this region of donbas, i.e. the exit to the border of these republics, as they call them, on the border of donetsk and this did not happen in the luhansk oblasts, and the donetsk oblast has stood as it is and the whole struggle is still ahead . how did russia, by the logic of this squeeze with a wide front and a barrage of fire, assume that since they captured the luhansk region, so they will capture donetsk as well. but it seems to me that they were ready for a certain, certain, certain break in the situation with the donetsk region, remember do you know when i am serhii that vladimir putin reported to him that they had captured the whole of luhansk region? putin said, well

, now, like, rest, uh, really, this operational pause is uh, it can be said that it is in the interests of both sides. they don't want to, but here both sides should take into account what they can and the russians did not announce this operational pause. seeing what they can and what they can't, they can't advance further. because they are not given such an opportunity and the losses they suffered, they are forced probably at the stage of stopping here. well, they see that uh, in other areas , things are not going well for them, they are forced to pay attention there. well, we do not forget that uh, in the new high-precision rocket systems of salvo fire, which enabled us to hit aimed at a distance of up to 85 km greatly weakened the logistical support of the russian troops to the depth

of their rear where before with putin, it is impossible to talk about anything. but will there be a day when it will be possible, that is also interesting. well, how to say it. we don't want to talk with putin, but i would like that day not to happen. of course, what do they mean when they talk about e- is the victory of ukraine the majority believes that a victory by surrender of russia is possible, that is, or the fixation of a certain agreement that will fix the position on the front that will be beneficial to ukraine, of course we understand that and we want it to be the

complete liberation of the occupied territories eh well, at this stage, does putin want to go for the fixation of these i am not sure. i assume that at some stage this war will end like this... no. then neither here nor here. but as i said, it is in the interests of ukraine to continue this war until attrition until it gains a strong position and and this position will be related to the fact that russia will actually lose a resource for a full-fledged continuation of offensive actions, it is possible that this will be a very long operational pause and it will be a repetition of the ato oos but stretched out in time but as i already said, we prepared in our circle for the marathon and for a long war of attrition and it will not

end simply because, well, putin exists, russia exists, it has resources, this is all for a long time, well, you understand, i understand that we can prepare for that marathon with you, we are journalists, by the way, not the first such we just cover the war, there were no such long wars in ukraine, but there were wars in yugoslavia for a long time, there was a long war in the middle east. well, we have been for 8 years, of course, but imagine that ordinary people, we tell people what you know. well, it's all over , now the guns don't sound planes do not fly, there are no missiles, but there is no peace agreement either, but simply no one is fighting and this is an operational pause, would you be ready er let's say think about the future in a country in which the war, which turned out to be very cruel, very exhausting er, has been put on an operational pause well

let it be long. let it be five years. a person lives for 5 years. they are 10. she still lives there for 75 years. i don't like the tone of the official propaganda, where there is no longer a war, in fact, even though it is in principle here, you can still argue about how good it is, how bad it is, but the reconstruction of ukraine is already underway, forums are being held there, investment is being sought three and so on well, what kind of investor will come to ukraine where hostilities continue and where tomorrow a restored kindergarten may be destroyed again by a russian missile by the way of missiles well, it’s not sad, but they will continue to fly even

when the long operational pause continues because they can they can fly, they will fly in the same way, the question about the shelling of odesa oporto is because russia can shell it, she shelled it , because it is the same russia and it is the same war, and people need, like me, a little prompting to direct in the direction that the degree of tension must somehow be lowered little by little, but understand that the war continues and that it is in this form, that it will not go anywhere, and that the war is not over, it does not exist on a pause , but just to a slightly reduced degree, because they ca n't, er, can't hostilities take place continuously at a high degree of escalation , they're there for a long time, even if you don't want to, er, you need regrouping, you need reinforcements, and so on, and

raising personnel reserves, and so further well, people must understand that otaka is a change in the nature of hostilities, and such readiness is the price for the fact that the state is preserved, the state exists, the economy exists. shared, no one broke up, they continue to work, but uh, in a certain certain degree of this, some internal tension, when for us every siren is like the end of the world, when it seems that this rocket will fly into you, oh, i would like it little by little we got rid of it, but not neglecting , within reasonable limits, of course, security standards, understanding that there are different rules, there are different conditions,

especially there, depending on if it is there, some regions, other regions, but we need i think that a little well , to rebuild in this direction, i can then ask you a different question, well, with people who are in ukraine, it is clear, but imagine these millions of people who are already outside the borders of the country, and there may be more of them, but not less, if the hostilities continue a certain part of people from certain seasons may leave , some of us, of course, some to the west, some may go abroad. by the way, this may be related to military actions and to what vice prime minister karina vereshchuk is talking about, that simply confident cities where not there will be infrastructure for heating, but with winter it will be much more difficult than in summer. well, if we can't heat whole cities, let's say it's because the russians will destroy something there, something will be killed, and it will turn out that the whole city has to be taken out

, or there are areas of the city. well, someone further west to ukraine someone will go abroad right away. this can absolutely happen. and there may be wars there at this moment. by the way, and again, you say that people need to be prepared for this, and people who are abroad, what do you need to be prepared for? i am already abroad. you say that this situation will continue. should i return or wait until it is resolved in one way or another ? britain, especially when it's a mother with a child, you can say of course that the book every rocket is a tragedy, but when you don't have rockets over warsaw or london and when we return to where they are and can you think 100 times maybe and not necessary maybe it's to me and don’t fly, but here in england. it definitely won’t hit me, it definitely won’t hit

my child, and it hit my child. it’s a boring comment, uh, how uh, well, you’ve probably heard the predictions of ellibanova and the director of the institute of demography, they are generally very sad, apocalyptic, she predicts that more more people will leave that when finally there will be permission for men to leave, it will not be women who will come to ukraine, but men, er, will go to a large extent to women abroad because it is simply better and safer there. other ways well, here i can say my own, and many of my acquaintances have already returned from abroad and from western ukraine, although many have not returned either. it seems to me that this is a matter and a question

not only of security, but also a question, well, i don't know such a thing if this is correct, some kind of moral attachment , because i understand that of course you can work remotely and you need to work remotely, but you also need to understand that i apologize, ukraine will not rebuild and rebuild itself, and i understand this very well. it is led by what you propose. by the way, of course there is an existence and you can say well, jews somehow live in israel, rockets fly, wars are happening and will fly and will happen, but first of all, they live in israel, to put it mildly, not all jews, and half even there well, approximately yes , if you take the number of even the operator no, i am not talking about the arabs, i am talking specifically about the jews, we

also have people of different ethnic origins but if we say extrapolate this situation to ukrainian, then this means half of the population there a there is one more important point, do you remember the great jewish emigration during the soviet union, people went to the west at israeli invitations, but about 10% of citizens went to israel, which was at war, and 90 went to the united states and others countries because they didn't want to go to the country that the driver, although they were jews, well, jews, well, jews are here, jews are here, jews live where they fight here, and jews live where they are fighting, well, it's a choice, not everyone wants to live in their country, which is under the threat of constant war and this is the er danger, of course, you need to look at the nuances of the security situation that will be added further, because if

someone expects that er russia will run out of cruise missiles, are they high-precision or ordinary precision , or are they already using anti-aircraft missiles for shelling for ground targets, it will not happen unfortunately, it may last a very long time, but in the same way, if we are already talking about the entire area, after 5 months of war, there is one whole region in ukraine that has not yet experienced a single missile attack, this is the chernivtsi region, yes we have the transcarpathian region, which has experienced as much as one rocket attack, and that hit the railway infrastructure without any casualties. without special consequences, transcarpathia is a war, and it is felt not even by everyone and not everywhere, because many are rural locality he tells us that, well, we have children as always . how they used to come to grandma's and grandpa's for the summer. they

have already arrived and are sitting here. of course, we need to make an adjustment as to what will happen next, because it can be both better and worse, but if approximately the same as now, i believe that there are great reasons for the fact that people who left at the beginning of the war, who did not see all this, but they are still there, many of them are in a state of such a long-lasting effect that they, er, make decisions weighed against the possible return of course here many nuances are taken into account regarding where to live. because many houses are destroyed, where to work, where to teach children, where to send them to school,

etc. is safety for their children, why the hell thank you thank you mr. volodymyr they did that and they don't regret it dmytro dukhova, editor-in- chief of the online news edition, we were on the air, we discussed these five months of war and we continue to reconcile them with mykola, she is her husband to the former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, to the general of the army, to the adviser to the president of ukraine. congratulations, mykola. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. well, let's try five months, it's passed. let's try to evaluate the period and say what will happen, what should happen now, in your opinion, what development first of all, it must be said that five months have shown that the strategic goals of the russian federation have not been implemented in practice in these dimensions. neither the first stage of the capture of our entire state nor the second stage of the capture of even donetsk luhansk oblast and then the exit to the southern corridor by fully occupying it and because it is precisely their models that control the armed referendum, but in

this situation we are really becoming, you know, at such a borderline stage when really one side and the other already have, respectively, powerful e- resources, both military and technological, the russian federation has already lost a lot of what it really had at the initial stage. therefore, now the equilibrium is coming, and some measure, we do not yet have enough equilibrium for it to carry out effective offensive operations in the east, but at the same time, we are actually mastering the situation that the russian federation's resources are first of all human resources, in turn, it is the latest weapons and equipment, including even the missiles that they today fire at hummingbirds, for example, or eskander, they have limited capabilities and a limited number, the most important thing is on the other hand, russia is now trying to push through the situation related to the conclusion of the agreement on its own terms, therefore it is threatening to launch missile strikes and is threatening to go on the offensive again operation in the east, primarily in the direction of the

donetsk region, bakhmut - this is kramatorsk, e-e slavyansk, on the other hand, e-e, it is clear that there are questions about new possible e-e offensive operations in the south regarding the formation of a powerful corridor that would unite and the donetsk region and the southern region, respectively, and this belt, which we are talking about, can be certified with successful offensive operations all the way to transnistria. today, we are saying that it was not possible , in fact, the offensive operation stopped. russia was already forced, even at the official level, to putin's level to announce a pause, which is really real today. why, because i am afraid that the part that conquered lysychansk and, accordingly, severodonetsk, they have exhausted their resources and therefore announce a hidden mobilization in every region of every province to should give today 400,500 recruits of the dobrogosts who will conclude an agreement - this is approximately to 40 military personnel exactly. this format has not been implemented until now. the

direction of several thousand people today, but who are not ready to fight directly, is an attempt to recruit more colonies. for example, one of the colonies had 2,000 40 people gathered as if they were willing, that is, the mobilization resource is extremely limited, the only thing that really exists is a huge number of weapons, missile systems, tornadoes , hurricanes, this is the potential that today directly threatens the troops and front-line cities there , for example, in kharkiv, kharkiv region, donetsk luhansk, in part it is recognized that the control of the situation and we can see how everything is going to mykolaiv, for example, to kherson , zaporizhzhia, and in some countries, it is indicated that russia is already is now trying to stop a large-scale offensive with the aim of forming a new negotiating position, but it cannot be stopped on the terms of ukraine, on the terms of the international community, and it was understood that we would withdraw the troops as you

did in march, and today we are asking the question of fixing the status quo, today already lavrov is under the time of the meeting with the sisi - this is the president of which has already said that it is not only geographical, some new conditions, we are already discussing a wide range of issues and are ready to discuss for what in order to talk about what is possible there will be concessions, well, it’s clear, we’ll now decipher what these concessions are so that we recognize them completely geographically, let’s say, well, within the luhansk region of donetsk, the entire region, seizing it further and accordingly, we went to a discussion about the southern regions, maybe some statuses, maybe some corridors there provided for water supplies, other factors and under this situation, there is now, accordingly, a powerful pressure on the e -grain agreement so that we, first of all, and not only on them, remove all sanctions, and the european union and the international community. and so that we made concessions, respectively, not against operational and especially effective introductory gatherings in the south

against the development of ports, for example, some water areas , and russia can effectively use for unexpected offensive operations both sea operations and land operations, therefore, in this situation, we see today that russia has stopped at the equator today already resources so to speak, already somewhere on the verge of a large one, if we are talking about human and even technological resources, we already have a more powerful mobilization of people up to a million people in total structures and is already growing, this is help with the latest technology, the first missile anti-aircraft armored self-propelled howitzers, respectively, the anti-aircraft radio electronic warfare system - this is something that today will be provided not by individual units or divisions, but by the creation of the system, it is very important for the eastern front and for offensive operations on the southern that is, today all prerequisites are to talk about the fact that we stopped the enemy, we successfully repel attacks in kharkiv, even in luhansk and donetsk

direction, we are conducting a number of offensive operations in the kherson zaporizhzhia direction. let's give a command to advance, he had to go in directions literally a week ago, he announced that we would start the scale of the offensive operation, i will say directly, judging by all the efforts of russia on all fronts, they will not be able to carry out the operation themselves accordingly, there is no personnel capable of carrying out everything, no powerful new equipment in which today we will already destroy even simple systems on distant approaches, no logistics, which we will definitely arrive and move ammunition both in warehouses and in headquarters, that is, there are first successes. we will not calm down yet, of course in this situation, it is not necessary to say that everything is fine, it is far from fine , russia still has a lot of extremely conventional weapons, it is

1,000 . region, for example, or later in the south, it is clear that we must anticipate such actions and, on the basis of the logistics on the bridges, do accordingly that there was no delivery, including, for example, the crimean region can - this is what today will stop supporting the format of the kherson grouping and understood to switch to new tactics, not only offensive operations, this is literally tactics , little by little, we seem to have conquered new frontiers, but on the other hand, i predict that at some stage we must come to a strategic offensive operations, having generated the best forces of the military forces of special operations, the latest weapons technology. and here, it is not for nothing that the liberation of certain places is carried out positively, it is perceived very positively by society and the military, we especially know each other, we communicate

. that in this situation we will create the preconditions of the environment that will encourage the enemy to flee. if it moves, i will directly say the practice of military operations in the world and in relation to russia especially means the team personally, they will accordingly panic if kherson falls and the run will begin from that, respectively, and then zaporizhzhia region will follow him, and then kharkiv, and maybe against this background we can further develop offensive operations in the east this requires a huge amount of work, a huge concentration of forces and more effective assistance of western partners with the latest weapons and equipment thank you mr. mykola malamush former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine the general of the army, the adviser to the president of ukraine, was on this broadcast and we talked about these five months of full-scale war of the russian regime against the ukrainian state, what the enemy's further actions will be against, what should be the actions of the

ukrainian armed forces, i want to remind you that at the end of the next hour somewhere at approximately 6:40 p.m. you and i will be in interactive communication and we will answer your question, and in order for me to have such an opportunity, please ask questions on e-e facebook pages on e facebook on the page of our tv channel espresso tv and on my personal page in the social network facebook and on this question that you have managed to ask until now, as you understand, i will be able to answer when this interactive will start, because you are not just our viewers, but people who react to these events we have all been living in these events for five months and it is very important that we go through this difficult marathon together, which as oh, we heard

today from mr. veteranukh and may be long and not easy ani eva melnyk my colleagues i am now i am giving the floor for the last hour's news release, please stay with us longer, i will start with the consequences of the morning shelling of mykolaiv in the city, five victims, among them a teenager, the head of the region, vitaliy kim, reported that the russians fired four caliber rockets, the shells completely destroyed an educational institution, damaged high-rise buildings