we are disappointed, and we are now completely dependent on the west, not only for military purposes , but also for the financing of our economy. autumn will come and people will have to go back somewhere, e.g. to the cities where there is no means of livelihood and there are no jobs what do you propose is nothing period i think what is the government or first of all now show a clear economic policy understood the approach to what we build a market model during the war and after the war, stop rushing from one country to another, expel the fools and offer a normal system, there is no such thing if there is no base. there is no vision of where we are going. and this is the most painful thing that hurts me, for

elementary things, it seemed to me that from the first days of the war, we should have significantly poured funding into our military-industrial complex, but this did not happen. we had to provide an opportunity for medium-sized small businesses so that people could survive in mobile . of the cossack account and what is happening with the finances now yes yes well, i will work a little as a lawyer for the current government, excuse me yes, but uh, to invest in the defense of the industrial complex of our country during the war when we understand that the russian federation aims precisely in those objects, in addition to destroying everything civilian, well, open the question, it is possible to relocate just such enterprises in the territory of neighboring countries

. certainly no one says that we are raising a flag over the artem plant in kyiv and saying we are resuming the production of something there, so it seems that the main mass of production was preserved despite the fact that many factories were bombed , the machinery and people and equipment were no less preserved it something must definitely be transported, perhaps really to poland or slovakia, uh, something just trespassing in other places of ukraine that are uh, less threatening for an attack, but i don’t see this being done, maybe it will become known after the war . when you are six months after the war, i suddenly we will hit moscow with ukrainian missiles, i am waiting for it, well, this is an extremely important moment to revive our ukroboronprom. yes, i do not know whether it is necessary to pour in additional funds or whether additional

western partners should be brought in . there are signals coming from our western partners that hint. so you also have certain opportunities. i don't know. i just don't have it. fortunately, i don't have access to such information . ok, but we hoped that there would be some, i don't know , cheap solutions, not in the sense that they are bad, but in the sense that, well, we understand that changing our track from wide to narrow in order to improve communication with the same poland is expensive. but maybe you see some more steps to optimize our communication, because well, we understand that today three ports are open, and tomorrow the russians can close them with missiles, you know everything in

life is expensive, and i think that the most expensive thing is war and the loss of life itself, yes when i see the ludicrous presentation of the ministry of infrastructure, where as much as one and a half billion dollars or euros is expected for the repair of the agricultural economy and the transition to the so-called europoly, i clearly understand that no one is planning to do anything at all, and this is a shame that if you wanted to bridge one or two lines, it would be possible quickly and it would cost enough, in fact, it is not expensive, this has not been done in our country, unfortunately, the logistics of the services of the countries are still preserved . in ukraine, when we were in power, we built a key road - it was a go-hailey that connected gdansk through lviv with odesa, the southern-southwestern border of ukraine, because we understood

who we were dealing with in the east, the new government decided that there was no need to do this, they built the m-30 road. well, in short, the number of roads built and uniting the east and the west, well, we see the result of this unification, and in fact, there are a lot of such questions, no one is talking about aviation now. days but i believe that such before the european union, before our partners, it is necessary to clearly demand that you must now within a few months switch to the eurotrack, give a section where possible, it can be done quickly, and build mass automobile and other crossings at the border with the european union, increase them not by one, two, three points, but by five to 10 times, it can also be done, it does not cost a lot of money, finally introduce joint customs care, it can be done tomorrow if there is a desire, but then it will not be smuggling and then maybe someone will become impoverished suddenly grew well, let's hope that those who will

become impoverished as soon as possible and still manage to organize powerful transport corridors . i think there are very specific decisions that could be made, which are currently happening in the south of our country, where they are repelling us from the russian enemy. so we are moving on, so let's talk about the economy and the benefits for it from the export of ukrainian grain in general, as in our country as of 25 in july, i will remind you about the situation with the crop in ukraine. glory to ukraine. congratulations to the heroes. glory to the heroes. we would like to ask you right away about specific numbers, indicators,

maybe some schedule plans, if the russians really do not break the agreement signed by them, it is about the export of our grain through our three black sea ports. to operate by land routes, only 200,000 tons have been reached in these five months, in principle, i think this month it will already be 2.5 million tons, that is, we have increased the capacity 12 times, of course, it cannot replace the black sea black sea delivery via the black sea because it primarily makes logistics cheaper from the southern and eastern regions of ukraine - that is, central ukraine because of what not to do. more theory, not practice

, e.e., logistics through western ukraine, through the western borders, in any case, it is always more expensive, e.g., the logistics cost probably on the bike for reality there, well, there, in this case, $20-25 a ton, usually if it happened p. there are $8-10, so today if we operate through the western borders, logistics costs $150-180. it is clear that the agrarians turn out and plow the land as they wait, they are impressed by the budget funds to pay if wages and taxes are lost and technologies and it turns out that everything is in principle this year, of course, the logistics are clear that there are technologies, they are currently being built five additional points in western ukraine, uh, with a faster

loading period, we are also ordering from the natives at the expense of construction. i think we will not forget that the solution of vacuum tspters that became cheaper, but how many even vacuum transport ones were delivered today , uh, the railways of our western friends countries do not allow uh, the capacity of delivery there is 3.4-5 million tons , they have never included such a thing, and they technically do not have a railway. well, no opportunities, no wagons, not three, yes, nothing can be said. let 's talk with the poles, let them build another 5,000 km of roads there tomorrow. well, it's a smart person, everyone understands how much time it takes, how much money it costs, it can't be done in a month or two. even in a year, the poles build quite quickly,

do you remember our legendary wall, the so-called polish wall on the border with belarus, of course, the distance is much shorter there, the length is shorter, but they built it, made a fuss and built it. by the way , the information that actually appears in the background is very interesting to me that ukraine has already started the preparation of three e-e ports for the export of grain in accordance with the contract signed in istanbul. recorded the first grain trucks moving towards porto, they entered the city from the donetsk direction, state looting of russia by sea, after a short pause, resumes again in berdyansk, in fact, very similar things are happening, i would like us to outline it, taking into account the fact that the enemy has already stolen from us what he burned on our fields on our fields what should we collect taking into account the

very complicated sowing this year and what percentage of the usual for us export of ukrainian grain will we now realize through well, at least three ports p dmytro do you have these e numbers given numbers how do you want it in any case in order for the e-e sowing of winter crops to take place, which will begin in a month, which is very important because e bread is baked only with winter crops, i.e. wheat, it there is a flag. well, i am wheat. i am in favor of needing more nitrogen, which is economically unrealistic and not profitable in general. this is simply a total loss, the maximum loss that can be in order for winter sowing to take place, in any case, for the reality of exploiting at least there 10-12 e-e millions, because the funds are for somewhere, fuel

, seeds, fertilizers, so that this end of august, september, is the month to work out the sowing, so that ukraine and the world will have enough bread for next year, iryna, taking into account everything that has been said, taking into account the understanding of how difficult it is now for the ukrainian the state budget to which, in fact, the revenues from our export, in particular, grain, are not so large. please tell me what possible points will be eased in our country. grain through the three ports mentioned above, well, first of all, farmers will feel relief, mr. dmytro is already working , he explained in detail that farmers will receive the necessary funds for the next sowing, our

capacities for storing the new crop will increase, that is, the grain of the old crop will not spoil and will be successfully exported. and the economic of the country in general , they always exported a lot of grain and this well, it was important for us yes, it was important and it was a big business not only for agriculture but also for logisticians for carriers, we have to understand that ukrzaliznytsia when it transported ukrainian grain in the southern direction to odesa and other black sea ports. they also made good money from this, because the tariffs for the transportation of grain are higher than for the transportation of ore and other goods there, and now that this route is blocked, the volume of railway transportation has dropped significantly, so we can expect that when everything works, as we really

want it to work, then the state company also receives profits, not to mention the ports that will finally be able to work. e dividends from activities in the state already, that is, i would not count actual e direct revenues from sales there in the form of taxes or some other e-e revenues, but actually this whole complex system m-m which means that e-e grain as a commodity e- it reaches the ports there and a lot of people and a lot of directions are involved, so i would like to ask you about this new range and, in general, about the capabilities of those three ports to ensure the export of everything that we want and plan to

sell. so we understand that somehow so delicate the president of turkey eh bargained for himself a huge discount, you could say, well, but taking into account his direct efforts, we understand that he also disagrees because as it turned out , grain and food is a powerful tool no weaker than energy, it is about influence in particular on the countries of the middle east. so, sir dmytro, the price moment and the moment of capabilities, to what extent will those three ports be able to export everything that we want to sell? i also wanted to add what are the two biggest advantages of exporting. the most important thing will be passive winter crops so that there will be no food shortage. such an apocalypse is not here. yes, and we will see the inflow of currency, because even ukrainians, women and children, went

abroad temporarily there. that week, they actively criticized the decision of the national bank. then currency restrictions to withdraw up to 100,000 hryvnias, you can transfer 50,000 hryvnias, which you should consider withdrawing, because there is enough currency and, first of all, the export of our food will allow in a month or two to balance uh, foreign currency income, well , stabilizes a lot of belts that he buys on the plane , and according to uh, restrictions on withdrawals and transfer of funds, what concerns the three power brothers, uh, there will be enough for uh, approximately 3 million ago but in order to signal something, you need a month for it all to start, to see how it will happen, that’s for

myself, there are no priorities for the price, i definitely can’t stand the damn thing, they can come from any country, everyone can be from any country er we we have a democratic state, we have a private agricultural sector, it is private, it is a private state-owned enterprise, and private companies themselves are looking for someone to sign a contract with, on more favorable terms, it is clear that on the domestic market, it is a game of blocking, and the price is higher, because today she's honestly funny, although she doesn't laugh, i want to cry, honestly , but what's the price of logistics? today, the maximum price there for wheat in ukraine is more than five thousand hryvnias. nothing at all a

and it’s so cheap, really, well, an interesting moment. by the way , the grain we need is somehow too cheap, but the neighbors’ grocers say sell it . let me take it out, and here suddenly it’s somehow suspiciously cheap. well, if we deliver, for example, from kyiv to gdansk, let’s count the costs . roughly there for delivery of 500 km by new trucks that carry only 22 t yes 22 t, well, at least there will be 1,000 euros for 500 km for kyiv and gdansk, it will be a minimum only this time at cost price of 3,000 €, and plus back 3,000 €. 6,000 €, if you own a car and drive from gdańsk to start 20 n neza 6,000 €, then with the calculator we divide by 22 t, which is the

cost price, you see the brass deliveries, you know it, the world price for wheat is transferred to you because of the blocking operative very important but here it is important if turkey avon took on this responsibility then they have to clearly guarantee the safety of our ships and for our drivers and all full citizens imagine this rocket they launched clips in front if there were 1000 grain carriers stood in time. well, for the block to be a world-class disaster, it is clear. they must not only sign papers, but also guarantee security. it is clear that the best security is to put 100 chimeras on the line and sink the black sea fleet there, the best thing would be security now. well, if i understand correctly, in summary, let's say this in the events of the last few days, according to the results of the event in istanbul, the russian federation got the opportunity to

export its grain, or its fertilizers. of goods, by the way, she bargained for a good discount on our grain. and we received a missile in odesa port. well, somehow, to be honest, this is very cynical , but one way or another, mrs. iryna, please consider what mr. dmytro just noted in the context of world prices for grain. we thought that this would become our gold, our gold share. despite the fact that we have a war, the world will need bread and we can provide it, but in fact, we are forced to understand the difficulties with logistics and the price of this grain itself logistics, which became very expensive. so it turns out that our farmers are not really in the pros. as far as i understand, well, actually, you expressed yourself correctly, yes, this is

such a golden share of ukraine, grain, and this was the reason why the un got so involved together with turkey to allow ukrainian grain to leave, therefore, i do not agree with the fact that ukraine gained from this agreement only the arrival in odesa, i really hope that it was once and will not happen again, ukraine won the opportunity to export this grain if this agreement was not signed and the ports would not be unblocked, the grain would simply rot, and speaking of domestic prices, why are they so low? well, judge for yourself if farmers , instead of the 5 million tons they exported per month before the war, can now export well, if half , then the rest accumulates on the market and it puts pressure on the price, so globally, yes, ukraine is an important player in the

food security market, and with this we can influence the international community , the un and other structures so that they help us first unblock our ports and secondly, to allow us to defend and protect this safe corridor, because you correctly pointed out that the best way to make the corridor safe is to install a dozen e-haimers and a good anti-aircraft defense system that would protect people, so that's all, but in addition, as they say our agribusiness is not the only one that lives on, there is also the question of oil, whether oil will fall under the export criteria, so to speak, for example by sea, eh, i saw a message, that is, oil itself, it is not specified in the agreement, but in its un communication

noted that sunflower oil is also included in this agreement. well, let's see how it will turn out, dmitry , what is the situation not only with grain, but also with the accompanying various agricultural products, in particular with the same oil, it will be much easier because the cost there is 22 tons of oil in cars in bottles with poured one liter is much more difficult to pay for the logistics, the percentage is not 100%, maybe 200% of the cost, it is much lower, and all supermarkets in germany, poland, sweden, all countries want our oil, you can work more secretly here theirs and here, well, the question is much easier to say in general, but today it is really difficult for farmers,

especially those who were more involved in the cultivation of technical crops, their corn, those who did not engage in animal husbandry, and those who have pigs, cows , chickens, geese. it is much easier and they in that year, i will say and even show a very good financial indicator, that is, they did not cut production, they are increasing all production. cows, well, it’s like that, please, it’s big, you can say yes, uh, taking into account the speculation, all of them are for a long time, and does anyone have 100-200-300 thousand? azov and a lot of cows

are less, but hmm, there is something to bring to the fields, plus they have milk, which is stable in price, plus they have meat, which is stable in price, and of course, and compound feed, such as mbk mazda shevelich, chss, the price reduction in the domestic market e- it is the very product of everyone livestock farming has been developing in recent years and until now the financial ones will be good and everyone has understood this today and are also starting to build their own complexes there so that there is processing or animal breeding so that there is someone to feed them because this is the best option if it wasn’t but i am its development village and we got a little used to another agribusiness that we started at the beginning of the historical moment khrystyna, the people's deputy says that something is developing in a good direction despite the war, it's really cool, that is, when

i hear that the population of ours is increasing, i don't know who are military livestock and so on birds well, not everything is so bad and that everything in principle can somehow be controlled and well, the earth feeds us the earth exists and secondly, it seems to me that the system itself is trying to adjust and self-regulate where it can do it iryna, in connection with the war, what accents are already shifting and will shift - will shift in the future when we talk about the agro-industrial complex in our country, about agriculture in particular, well, the metro has already mentioned that it is gaining more weight animal husbandry e.e. integration into the eu it opens the way and the agreement on association and free trade zone with the eu was signed before the war it gave a surge in the development of berry growing, i.e. other crops of ecological production e.e. regarding large agrarian

crops, i.e. growing wheat for export, we see that so sea ports well, sea routes will be difficult for a long time, our neighbor is not going anywhere, this threat in the black sea will continue to exist. therefore, my prediction is that we will gradually move from wheat production to more technologically developed sectors, that is, we will process uh, it is possible to produce flour and supply it to world markets, well, that is, we already supply it and products with added value, we always talked about it in terms of value, that is, it can be more profitable for our economy, maybe now is the time or is it expensive and we need focusing on something else is expensive, but

we have no other way out, because exporting grain is a large volume and we see that there is not enough capacity. we don't have european ports, so we have to do something with a smaller volume, but more expensive, thank you thank you very much for this conversation. iryna kos is a senior researcher at the institute of economic research and dmytro solomchuk, a people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the verkhovna rada's committee on agrarian and land policy. not only our safety depends on it, but the safety of the whole world has turned out, and here everything depends on the truthfulness of our economic conductors, so to speak, so that this score is played so that we are in the maximum gains because the russians, so to speak, unblocked three of our ports. well, let's hope that they

unblocked them like that, not because they are so nice or they are so diplomatic, because they began to be taxed from all sides and they traded on this for something for themselves, the specific cancellation of that part sanctions well, accordingly, we should play the same way, although we play like that, maybe we just don't know with you, in any case, from this conversation, i came to the conclusion that our domestic market is one situation, and the external world market is a completely different story and the price of ukrainian grain in order for ukrainian farmers to be able to sell it is not high, there are really objective reasons for this, although the world is asking for it . can make money despite the fact that the demand from the end consumer is actually too high for that, well , there is also the issue of even concluding contracts, it is possible

there, i don’t know, self-delivery there from the kirovohrad region from the khmelnytsky region yes, and accordingly they have their own oil grain trucks there import there are also some refrigerators and so on, we will understand that this story is not only about grain, for example pork, in order for pork to become more expensive, for example, it must be provided with ecological certificates, for example, that it is not injected with hormones or antibiotics in some sky-high amounts, and that it corresponds to european standards, and we need to switch to european standards by our standards, because we don’t just know, someone is lying on the sidelines , we are already candidate members of the european the union must already prepare so that our pig farmers can trade meat normally somewhere in portugal, when vorokovsky starts on the subject of the agro-industrial complex, he succeeds very well in it, and i think that it should become a good tradition and