agreements, whether to take more global things regarding european security, the question also arises, because now the parties are not ready to discuss everything, let's say it's serious, now it's all being decided on the battlefield . thank you. research thank you for including viktor shlyach, the head of the board of the institute of world politics joins us victoria, we welcome you, i congratulate you a little later, i will ask this question that became to vitaly the presence of such a character as roman abramovich during the signing of this agreement on grain in the dolma bakhchev palace in istanbul. what can testify to what position and position one of the main wallets and one of the smallest people of russia was there? what do

you think, please, it is not a secret that roman abramovich has been a confidant of putin since the beginning of russia's military aggression, his name came up again and again during one or another negotiation, they say that he even came to kyiv and tried to hold negotiations here in the president's office, then we denied this information, although uh, well, somehow it is strange that it was refuted, that is, de facto abramovych now performs the role of such an informal negotiator, and the fact that he is leading this special operation for the export of grain, including precisely to the new russia in ukraine, means that for russia this is quite such a serious matter and it treats it as to the possibility of resuming some kind of dialogue viktor

aren't you surprised by the lack of any reaction at all, well, only words, only statements to the shelling of odesa , the day before yesterday, of the odesa port, but today, as if nothing had happened, piskov says that the attack on the port odesa will not harm the export of grain, he said, it is connected exclusively with the military infrastructure , it is in no way connected with the infrastructure that is used to fulfill agreements and export grain, so something like this will not affect the beginning of the process and unloading, which he does not report, adds his quote by our minister oleksandr kubrakov he says that the opening of the export corridors in the black sea will take place by the end of the week that's all in principle how nothing happened the day before yesterday in odesa you are not surprised lack of change in the position of ukraine and in general all other signatories of this agreement, please let's start with russia's position, we should stop believing

any words of russian speakers, especially public ones, for a long time, because on the first day after russia struck odesa, she said that they were ukrainians they fired at themselves in order to discredit russia in this way. already yesterday , they started talking about the fact that there really was some military equipment in one of the docks, and accordingly they admitted that they were shooting there this is from the same series as what happened in crimea, that we are not there, then they admit what the little green men are, they were representatives of the russian special services and the russian army. this is about russia's position about ukraine's position. it is clear that it is very important for ukraine to show its readiness for expert operations . indeed, our traders are interested

in grain being sold and, accordingly, the authorities are interested in currency going to ukraine. i think that the word "deficient" can be interpreted precisely in this context, that ukraine is still is ready to fill the reserves of europe and not only europe with ukrainian products. at the same time, it seems to me that we are now in such a situation when we do not understand for sure whether there will be repeated shelling and every time we perfectly understand that when we take to the hands of the papers signed by the russian federation, this does not mean at all that everything written there will be carried out because of that , from a political point of view, ukraine in this case looks like victor in a winning position

, i want to ask censor.net about our relations with iran reported with reference to his own sources that a batch of ransian drones has already been sent via the caspian sea to russia, and in the future, military cargo is planned to be delivered to the borders of ukraine via astrakhan volgograd, and apparently already in the occupied ukrainian territory it is known that the basis of the cargo is the heavy strike drones szlachet 129 during its development were based on the israeli drone hermes 450, the american mq1 predator, the length of the fuselage is there. well, i won’t, the technical characteristics are interesting, that it can be armed with anti-tank missiles, one copy is planted of the israeli spike iar or the current planning bomb with a fragmentation warhead sadit 345 and it is interesting that the real combat characteristics of these drones and practically nothing is known about them, since they have not yet been used on the battlefield, this happened literally less than a week after the historic meeting of erdoğan with the flight of the president of

iran and russian president vladimir putin once denied the information that he would supply russia with combat drones, but at least if the censorship is to be believed, it happened as it should the reaction of the ukrainian side to your opinion, please , first of all, the iranians did not officially deny such information, it was just that there was a message first in the russian media about what iran could supply, and then i suddenly started to leave so gently . actually, at this time, we we understand how true this information is. last week, you know that israel fired at the territory and shot down, or rather, an entire warehouse of ammunition burned down there, and they said that there were also drones that were being prepared to be sent to russia, instead.

no intelligence supports or confirms this information that you just talked about, i am not an expert in the military and technical characteristics of drones, the only thing i have read is that these drones are really quite powerful, they can compete with rotators and they even maybe even these are stronger, stronger than beruktars, but i repeat, i am not a military expert. i think it is worth asking them about all these physical ones. i am not asking you about the technical ones like this one or about combat in the city and iranian drones. i am asking you about the reaction of ukraine for example, the iranian embassy still functions in the center of kyiv, and ambassadors work there, probably iranian intelligence is working

. in himself the president of turkey erdoğan, with whom we will later sign an agreement regarding the supply of our grain, that is, everything, well, it is difficult for me to put it in some common mosaic . i don’t know, maybe this is right, because in fact ira er has never looked like an ally to us that we can rely on more than that last week even started this is the kind of talk or discussion that iran should as er from the morning as from the series we should cut all diplomatic ties as far as i know , the situation with the downed plane of mau, the investigation of which is still being conducted, and until now there is no such expertise on this tragedy, and i think that here too,

it is imposed we um can't uh here now let's talk about the fact that if erdoğan was present at the meeting, then such a coalition was formed, russia , iran and turkey. i think that here, in any case, each of the countries pursued their own interests even today. well, almost sensational news on the anniversary of wagnergate. the ukrainian president released ruslan demchenko, from the position of first deputy secretary of the national security and defense council, a person who worked in the foreign affairs bodies of the presidential secretariat, or yushchenko in the office of the president, or yanukovych, appears to be in the nsdc he, well, in one word, he worked under almost all the presidents of the president since the moment when leonid kuchma left this position and was a co-author of the so-called kharkiv agreements on

the continuation of basing the black sea fleet in exchange for a discount of 100 dollars for 1000 cubic meters of russian gas. what do you think is the reason for the dismissal i am asking for such a talented and high-quality manager from various offices and the administration of various presidents. you know, i have met many people who met directly with ruslan demchenko. i do not know him. personally, but from the words of those people. they say that a person really knows how to bewitch. and the intelligence officer is so good in the sense that he has a very professional knowledge of the subject that he cares about, that is, a person who held a position in the ministry of foreign affairs and in the office of the president and is now welcome to us of security and defense, moreover, he was in charge of all intelligence, ukrainian intelligence, that is, he was the head of the intelligence committee, which means

that in general, all information about the course of events, including at the front, flowed to him, but i will tell you the information that i know from reliable sources that in the last two years just er units, separate units of the sbu have opened a er case on him, well, that is, in fact, he was in the development of the sbu, and moreover, they had enough evidence that demchenko has connections with the russian federation but one division is the sheep of the case, other divisions and these cases were extinguished so that they did not leak out and thus de facto no investigative actions actually took place regarding denchenko himself, at the same time all the journalists and i, yuriy butusov , and well, if many people even before wars were told and

wrote about the fact that demchenko is a clear agent of the russian federation who works in the interests of russia, this is very demonstrably evident from the actions in which he was involved, and then it happened that the war really started. by the way, we don't know where demchenko was at the beginning of the war, we do not actually know whether he will now enter the territory of ukraine, and since then, as far as i know, he has been moved a little in such a way that even the operatives stopped providing him with accurate and complete reports, understanding that these reports could get into enemy intelligence to get to our enemy in parallel with this, the americans, er, this was also already in the media in the city two years ago, they handed over a list of people, including those from the

closest circle of volodymyr zelenskyi, who may be involved in intelligence relations with the russian federation, and obviously me it seems so, i cannot confirm now, but it is very similar to the fact that demchenko's surname also appeared in this list at the same time, demchenko was also removed from his post . the intelligence under the president of ukraine zelensky, who was headed by a person who, as you say, even part of our intelligence and special services led for a long time, well, this is some nonsense, mr. viktor, if you say that the intelligence did not report part of the information to the head of the intelligence committee under the president of ukraine, knowing that he could be a russian spy how is it possible? in general, and can we now expect the initiation of some criminal proceedings and the announcement of suspicion of

treason to this manager? please, by and large, the sbu should have already accepted demchenko and he should give evidence in this case, it could really qualify as treason if those materials were brought up, if they were not destroyed, by the way, those materials that were... i don't know how it is right now to say legally which were collected during the investigation which was the sbu and there is actually me about this committee and i said that people who uh what de facto uh who de facto should have poured the last uh into this committee -e development data they began to ignore demchenko they stopped giving him objective information, realizing that this information could be leaked. well,

even today, information appeared that with the approval of the dbr and the prosecutor general's office , the law enforcement officers informed that with the approval of the same kharkiv agreements, which were partially written by ruslan demchenko in favor of russia about the suspicion of treason against two former members of the government, ex-minister of foreign affairs kostyantyn hryshchenko and former head of the ministry of justice oleksandr lavrynovych, this is all during yanukovych's 10th year took place according to the investigation in april 10, do you remember when these kharkiv agreements were adopted in the parliament, this volodymyr lytvyn, i hope, covered himself with umbrellas, eggs were thrown at him and it seems that there were smoke grenades, we remember for a very long time, so according to the investigation in on april 10, the suspects of a previous conspiracy by a group of persons, this complicates, well, increases the

guilt and punishment with the former president yanukovych, for example, azarov, acting to the detriment of the sovereignty and integrity and inviolability of ukraine, defense capabilities, state economic security violation of the constitution without actually considering the draft agreement and conducting a mandatory legal examination, they agreed to it without comments as a result of such actions, we know what happened, the russians captured crimea four years later. do you think lavrynovych and hrischenko will be detained, it is interesting that they are also in ukraine or not, please? i don’t know him, he doesn’t have information in ukraine, do they or not? it’s very similar to the fact that this information now looks more like an intention to establish the culprits in the case because the so-called kharkiv withdrawals were signed uh, i think that, taking into account what lavrynovych and other government ministers were doing at the time, i think that they

will derail the investigation into some kind of official negligence that may not lead to criminal prosecution or criminal offenses , at least in ukrainian history there were a lot of such cases when decisions were made by a collegial body and then, de facto, no one was responsible for any decision. to follow the development of this story in which the main figures ruslan demchenko oleksandr lavrynovych and kostyantyn hryshchenko appear there, will these high-quality state managers and figures who have done many good things for ukraine be detained and on rose, a journalist, an internationalist, a former

correspondent of radio echo of moscow in germany, we welcome you, you can hear us. good afternoon, i can't speak ukrainian, i speak russian, er, let's go to anu. the fact that germany does not reject god, how is it in russian that germany admits the possibility of the failure of the so-called circular deliveries of tanks in ukraine, what germany agreed with poland, the minister of foreign affairs of france, lena bermak, said about this, and about what promised by the government in germany on the rate of arms of ukraine, they are

getting more difficult. supplies of german weapons to the ukrainian side , please, in fact, discussions are being held at the very beginning, because eh, after eh, chancellor olafshol said that this is a change of era after the start of the war were guided by germany in the supply of weapons, namely that weapons are not supplied to regions of combat conflicts and military operations, of course this postulate was changed and germany has in mind the abolition of who in pants will start and start supplying weapons. he understands the situation with the bundeswehr and the bundeswehr’s secured weapons, he knows that

after the cold war germany began to be completely destroyed because people did not think and politicians did not think that once on the continent in in europe, war is still possible, so the first deliveries of weapons that were planned at that time were cheetah tanks, or tances, or about intersonteroconists, and so on. they had to be brought home, that is, they just had to be repaired, for example, at the glaus factory, the vegeman machines were only available for cheetahs, which will now be delivered to ukraine, today the deliveries of the first three anti- aircraft tanks began the cheetah was installed in the lives of ukraine. 13 are represented by having tanks that

were repaired, then they go into a discussion about the fact that the bundeswehr has a sacred there is no weaponry , for example, i can give you such an example before the end of the cold war in germany had 2,000 tanks, and at the beginning of 2000, germany had 200 25 tanks. now they are protected less, that is, germany has practically disarmed itself in the cold war. practically empty er, of course there is a very big desire to help ukraine with weapons, but again , when er, they looked at what is available, they thought that er, because er, it is

necessary to train the ukrainian military, i heard that many people there said that in 3 days we will hit the stomach again in the german seven, there was an interview with one of the bytes when 2000 2000 german sweet potatoes were delivered to ukraine, the package said that in order to manage me, he had to be in germany 36 days for training, he himself said, he thought that in 10 days he would master all of this, but unfortunately it was very difficult because it is highly technical, highly electronic, eh, thanks, this modern weapon, that is, this is the first problem of training, eh, the second the problem is ammunition. now we see that cheetahs have only been supplied because there were problems with ammunition. the germans simply do not have

ammunition . and so on, there is not enough ammunition in ukraine, not because of the necessary logistics. it gets hit by a russian artillery projectile, it remains, it’s tanks, or how it is, or artillery is standing on the battlefield, it’s impossible to fix it, that is, it ’s practically uh -uh, very expensive high-tech equipment, it won’t be uh-used to repel the russian army, here are these three there are four problems, because

logistics is also mentioned, i mentioned it again. for example, ammunition for cheetahs is being made by norway, because they are simply not available in germany. training is necessary for the society, first, this is the weapon that the ukrainian army can use, and therefore there was a proposal to supply poland to slovenia, the czech republic, and greece on a circular exchange, and these countries allocated all soviet-made weapons in ukraine at the first time a-a but then in germany i saw that we have uh-uh we don't have new tanks says the minister of defense

to take them to the paneling uh-uh factories don't produce them now in order to produce them it takes several years and that's why the very leopards, uh, can't now set poland within the framework of the circular cancellation, and poland, slovenia, even germany's claims are legitimate , because germany promised uh , and in germany, of course, politicians uh, criticize uh, what is now impossible, uh, exists and the promise is on the rates eh within the framework of the circular cancellation, of course the opposition is talking about this even within the eh police office freedom of the democratic party and the green one is also criticizing these now eh you probably know the vice president of the bundestag katrin is saying this eh already expressed the idea of ​​supplying tanks directly from germany, but again, where can we get

them now due to the fact that this is exactly the crisis, topinamically, he will not supply, for example , guns for tanks and, of course, germany got them and they said that yes, we are within the framework brown the exchange provides these countries well, they actually destroyed the tanks that can be delivered in germany, they will be produced, maybe in a few years, only the mobile phone is wet, we will replace it with weapons, we would like to have another five minutes another important issue to discuss, which is actively discussed in ukraine, is the consumption of german russian gas and the functioning of the nord stream 1 literally on july 21, after the maintenance of the nord stream in the morning, deliveries of gas to germany began then the representative of the north stream operator company announced that the russian-german gas pipeline and informed the spiegel about it, and literally on the same day there was a lot of information about the turbine for the nord stream arriving in

germany and from canada, where it was serviced, and that caused in ukraine, it is just a flurry of indignation, because the turbine will then be transferred to the russian side for the functioning of this stream server, and in fact it will be a violation of the sanctioned functional list approved for what is the relationship between russia and germany if there is any public discussion at the level of society and at the level of politicians, this is the problem, what is the fact? and for the supply of weapons and , in general, for the support of ukraine, not only with weapons , but also with political and social ukrainian refugees , including whether this problem is being discussed and what are the positions of the parties, please. there are many problems within the framework of one gas problem a-a in the first place e-e otbereniya a-a e-e the minister of economy

of france robert gaabet e-e said that it was simply a false proposal of russia e-e exactly that the turbine is needed for supplies to to the severny stream 1 gas pipeline eh, there is no eh, gazprom does not need this turbine, which was installed in violation of eh , not european a-ah x-funkty eh, this is the sanctions of canada eh, it was originally supposed to be to apply it only in september and the fact that russia gazprom naturally er-er testimony the kremlin, eh, at the beginning of june, the supply of players will therefore be reduced to 40%. this is saying that putin , uh, it’s just that they don’t hope to make money at the expense of gaza. he sees that europe

and germany are determined by one person. from gas dependence, it will be done uh, by the middle of 2024, that’s for sure, that’s why eh at this point in time, germany will not receive gas at all, therefore, for good reason, and that is why he began to wage a gas war and blackmail germany and the european union so that he could get some advantages for himself namely, the weakening of the station or the opening will put the severny stream-2 as a rock, but again, both khabib and sholt said quite clearly that the severny stream-2 pipeline will not be installed, er, we will not blackmail putin, and er, putin and gazprom we must serve germany under the contract that now the gas storage must be filled so that in germany there is

no contact with anna rosy, journalist, internationalist, former correspondent of radio echo of moscow in germany. i hope we will continue with perhaps in our next blocks of information, we will have an interesting discussion. regarding this er, this turbine. you see, in germany, they believe that this is a violation of canadian sanctions against russia, not german, that germany does not violate anything. of the german government to the german authorities that by the middle of the 24th year, germany should in general abandon the consumption of russian gas, well , god grant us all to live until the middle of the 24th year, and to ukraine and to the ukrainians, and to the germans, to all europeans thank you, people, for i hope to continue our discussion in the next blocks, now the news from this is in melnyk a