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to lose k-59 and 28 helicopters and so on. this is actually such losses and pilots plus er, even those that ejected, they suffered certain injuries, they are already unfit for one job, well, a large percentage of them are actually that and er, they saw that the strategy the one they chose to capture ukraine in three days with several missile strikes as well as aviation artillery strikes to demolish all air defenses, that is, the means to counter it with anti-aircraft missile complexes , radio engineering troops, and military airfields disable all of them in a few days and it's easy to fly in the ukrainian sky like at home, well, we warned long before our invasion that we hinted in our messages to publish that there would be no easy walk for the occupier in ukrainian, you know , and it happened, they gave it desperately they gave them a fight eh in ukrainian especially blood in the sky of kyiv you know how much all this was already screened and everyone saw what was happening there were fierce air close combats with fighters under the cover of
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ukrainian air defense which withstood this first strike and the occupiers were destroyed mercilessly in the first in the first weeks of the war, that is why they changed their tactics, went beyond the territory, abroad to russia, to belarus, the black sea, from where they operate remotely without entering the area of our air defense, because they suffered losses, they can remotely unfortunately, our planes are twice as much, and that one more than twice, has a shorter range of missiles, the more missiles they have with active homing heads, we have passive ones, we lose significantly in terms of technology and also in number, that is why we need of modern equipment, both missile forces in general and modern fighter aircraft, many targets capable of striking both on the ground and air targets. thank you very much, mr. yury, for this brilliant analysis on the air of the espresso tv channel . may the enemy die, yury ignatrechnyk of the air force command
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forces of ukraine worked live on the espresso tv channel well, what about khrystyna, what are we going to do? it won't be long. will conduct the chronicles of the information war, traditionally for this time, a program on the espresso tv channel without which we cannot understand what is happening behind the bars and what is in the heads of these occupiers of the foul. fakes are created here and there, let's talk more broadly, so that in a moment the peculiarity of russian propaganda is that it applies the same methods not only to foreign or ukrainian audiences, but also to its own population introduced by psychological warfare, they are usually used against the enemy with whom they are waging an armed war, and they have been doing it for a very long time
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. i was struck by this next fragment, which we will now look at, it is from such a fresh work of russian aitprop, where they try to convince themselves that the destruction of mariupol and the killing of thousands of people there is a russian the army is not a crime, but a liberation. for example , from what were the residents of mariupol
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liberated ? ету литературу и больше никогда на украинской между, people will not read this shit. well , in principle, you have to be a very sick person to read any kind of propaganda there at all, well, that is the usual information about the fact that the original man moved from africa to europe, but for a russian or, well, a mental russian, this is a terrible crime that must be destroyed, well, this is really a problem, because, you know, this is a person who has already lost any idea about the norm -e, and against this background, it is absolutely not surprising when inventions of absolutely wild things like this appear. well, the last fresh one, after the biolaboratory, you thought that they had forgotten about the laboratories, no, no one forgot about the biolaboratory, but now even more have been added to them
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game, listen to the trade in arms, there is, touch, everything is sold, and there will be an organ trade, we were talking before that in kosovo , the organ trade is in full swing in ukraine, they have separate structures in each field hospital that are engaged in collecting , and not only from their killed soldiers and natsika, but from prisoners - that's the civil population , how many people have disappeared? well, in principle, this story is told by an official person, it's not just some there , even a member of the state duma, and it's the head of some to the committee, well, that is, such a respectable person, she just lies, you know, invents some kind of fiction , and it's normal for the russian audience , and what's more, well, it's not some
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separate elements, you know - it's a whole system, which then comes out kiselyov and you know, he says, well, we do n’t invent all this, well, for example, now, here are the only fragments of the film by andrey medvedev, where we once again showed ukrainian nationalists, satanists, but we didn’t invent them, this is a characteristic case of that radical nationalist nazis have always interfered with the traditional church and faith throws them from one end to the other on the path, part of them lose themselves, cling to the devil, and what is here, and the fashion for lgbt drugs, any ignorance as a result of ukraine, now, next to the civilization battle, the battles are both in primon and in the figurative sense of the word west littered the country not only with weapons, but also planted a variety of drills in golovy, people got lost, kiev and kharkov began to stumble upon donetsk,
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luhansk led to a murderous war in 2014, the old one got ready for the new one the massacre was aimed not only at the donbass, but also the atomic bomb and the samurai army, and here you are already five such concerts, the concert is over, er, the symbol of faith, and er, today is exactly what i want to do with oksana moroz, the founder of the initiative, how to become a vegetable and talk not about the fight against individual fakes but about the actual well, how and what to do in general with such a system system companies system disinformation companies oksana hello, thank you for joining us so early, well, look when they talk about white laboratories there 8 donetsk was bombed last year, it’s not a fake, it’s elements of
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disinformation, and it’s not even a lie . this is exactly how you should treat it, there is no point in discussing here, you need to understand that you are the enemy of him, you should treat the enemy and try to neutralize him if he repeats all these theses, and it seems to me that it is worth spending time and energy on refuting such and such a fake, well, for internal audience of even some of russia. well, there is no great sense, but there is other disinformation , other information companies that moscow now controls the world, and this is what must be countered. well, i am also interested in your vision, what are the essential directions of russian propaganda, uh, that are really
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worth reacting to a very good question, because even in the stories we listened to, there is such a red thread that the question of weapons is the issue of weapons, but now, so that no one speaks there or is it nearby or here are these propagandists, even they are between the bodies all the same, the issue of weapons is confusing, the fact that the west has armed us, that the hammers will be sold, and so on, and in fact, for russia now, weapons are one of the key questions, because they have already seen how they work, how powerful are these weapons, how accurate are they in all respects parameters differ from theirs. well, they are all hiding to discredit ukraine in front of western partners and stop the flow of weapons. and this is one of the key and very painful questions of disinformation for us right now, because of course it is, if we do not have western weapons, we to be honest, let's stop at a very bad situation and this company actually didn't start
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today and it didn't start at the end of april and it started quite imperceptibly for ukrainians. maybe because most of us. they supported this company with some reposts likes or comments. to look at these stages so when in april information was thrown in simply about corruption that we are stealing western aid well, now it has already moved to the pages of the financial times about this is already being said by europol and so on, i.e. it has moved to a more significant level and it really already has a significant threat and we are constantly forced to refute it, so to answer your question what to do with this is to teach us all to distinguish these basic emissions at the current level because it is a company with the same disinformation , for example it can pass and it is necessary to immediately pass the first level, that is, to activate this issue in the information field of ukrainians, that is how it was done at the end of april when one of the bloggers, a former cabist, said, allegedly, relying on
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according to the words of an american colonel, if in ukraine corruption steals all western weapons , it stops somewhere in lviv and does not go anywhere else, it actually goes to the shops , in fact, on the air, the colonel said something completely different in a different tone, and then something simple, the words of this blogger after he got fired up scandal, but people seized on the word corruption without thinking that they discredited the entire volunteer movement and ukraine in general, without having any facts, and began to spread it in parallel with russia from her side, she already threw in the russian media and gradually in the western media the information that ukraine sells weapons on the black market, even what was said in the story. then it came out and it was already included in the words of the congressman. unknowingly, she supported this, and then it went on to the finance page would have gone viral and is already broadcast everywhere if the ukrainians at this basic stage did not support it so loudly, it is
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possible that the publicity was lower because of that, and russia always works in several directions, that is, at all levels, not only there, but it attracts journalists before this and so on, that's why you need to look very, very carefully at this, well, in general, it's interesting that this disinformation company on weapons, well, it took four months to bring it to any stage at all, that is, you can't say that there is no opera that is, in fact, it is quite sober , uh, in principle, a large audience feels about it, but i agree with you, it is a fashionable discourse. well, the anti-corruption discourse is more fashionable. the longer the war drags on, well, we want to. we don’t want to , but there will always be some complaints about, well, actually of the ukrainian authorities from the point of view of ukrainian society, and here, in principle, it is important to distinguish between our claims to our authorities and, well, let's say hype about
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these claims, because they are different things, i would even add here that there is even such a simple life hack as to distinguish if informational pressure on the authorities it is definitely needed. we live in a democratic society. but if it is pressure that has an argument that is backed by facts, then this text will be productive and it will move towards the result if it is just emotions of generalization curses, how do russian propagandists actually work? bots, how do they shake up ukrainian society? of course, it won't work, it's not a result, it will only work to scatter society and actually create this, this is this kind of basis that will be negative, that's why there are facts. it's not a result, there are no facts. russian propaganda will be announced, we looked at what kind of company it is in relation to the occupied territories. well, i already mentioned that they have a large part of
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such an information product there. they are trying to and to legend the history of mariupol, that is, it is as if you erase the fact that they destroyed this city, they destroyed tens of thousands of people there, and try to present it so that azov killed everyone suddenly, how could azov kill everyone when russian planes were flying and guns were firing russians, how did he do it, he managed to do it in complete surroundings? well, here we won't even talk, they shouldn't do it, but in principle, there are some things that i want to draw attention to in a couple of fragments, one concerns how it even breaks through like this about the fact that there is no such internal resource in ukraine that works systematically against ukraine as such and that they are very dissatisfied with their collaborators who worked here, here is a literally
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small fragment, show it because it is very characteristic of it, liquidated everything, everything, no matter how much we talk about it that yes, there are collaborators, there are traitors, there are uh, it’s just a direct agent, the russians themselves, they are under more well, where, where did they escape, but the second moment is also, well, quite fresh such a revelation. how did margarita simonyan communicate with by their warlords and what they think there about what is happening in the occupied territory, let's also listen. they talk
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about what, in their view, is the biggest problem. and there is a plenipotentiary where it is full of people who don’t even have a connection at all, there is nothing, that is, in the literal sense of the word, only leaflets are pasted and newspapers are on a stand where they are right in the center of this village. the main thing is that she doesn’t fly there. and there are those places where it is there is a connection and where the position of ukrainian medical and telegram channels is still strong, and the guys say that the local people are simply amazed when our people come to our country from our country, for example, they start speaking ukrainian, and there are a lot of ukrainian- speaking people there, there are crimeans very much yes ah, among our guys, of course, they don’t speak ukrainian, they grew up in ukrainian in crimea, and they just don’t know how the local people react. how is this uh-uh, of course, there is a significant part of the local people who are with russians the russians themselves were waiting for the russians and us, but those who doubt their heads are
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powdered, they don’t understand, their brains are powdered, they don’t understand how it relates to how they behave, they are surprised because no one takes them, doesn’t kill them, they speak ukrainian, they can sing the ukrainian song and the crimeans are even joking, they say there , you will explain to us today, a military officer or vosenin told such a joke, the crimeans, will you explain to us who we are, because on the one hand they tell us that we are occupied, and we are crimeans, that is occupied territories and here they say that my occupiers yes, we are occupied or occupiers yes, in the princes, everything is determined in general it is an interesting story and both the first and second fragments from the point of view that the russians certainly do not see support in the occupied territories and this is very characteristic, you know what they wouldn't say that, it's typical that it breaks through even in the russian media field, that there are no such things in the world. and here's the actual option, it's not known what to do. where are they, where are the flowers on the armor?
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there is something else, i see a general change here, and the one that has taken place is happening right now, changes in the line of ukrainian propaganda regarding the occupied territories, that is, forcing their traitors who have been saying here for decades that they will not speak the ukrainian language, they cannot speak in them it's not like that, they can't force them to speak ukrainian, force them to mow under ukrainians, well, this is some kind of direct bullying. attract them there and show that they are ukrainians, and i think that from the point of view of such large information companies, this is a certain victory, even for ukrainians, because we are forcing them to change their
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propaganda in principle. in his accents and where else is it already in the middle from the end of march to the beginning of april because this is the classic propaganda that you talked about at the beginning with biolaboratories with birds that are related in every way to the russian territory here it is the resistance of the ukrainians has broken down, and here is the fact that no one here at all wants to hear these clichéd, already clichéd lies about the language and about some fictions and so on. and what is characteristic of russia has just begun to work more concentratedly with these hidden tools, the issue of language on which you are now focusing this is one of them because there is another such a large vector these are the so-called good russians, so uh, we call them the good russians because they criticize putin. as a rule, this is a passing score in order to consider them to be supporting ukraine well, in fact, they are in ukraine, not you, the youth, and they are starting to broadcast various messages that harm us, in particular, such a very vivid example for
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me, when after the act in vinnytsia, such a mass panic began. they began to disperse it, what is there 48 rockets fly to ukraine and so on and in parallel. the same yulia latynina, whom we used to consider a good russian woman, she began to inflame the situation in her clitoris and say that putin is ready to fire , now it will fly to certain centers and there certain the number of missiles and so on and so on, that is, to one degree or another, knowingly or not, i don’t know here, they support those messengers who work against ukraine. i will leave such noisy things about culture and so on, which are constantly discussed, but they accept misinformation participation plus informational and psychological special operations, which we partially touched on because, for example, the same cases regarding the discrediting of our military radio, certain techniques, how to record an appeal
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to zelenskyi to our military before that, to get there and now, for example, the same anti-vaccination movement, which was completely created by russia, and which is one of its leaders, is now a collaborator, the second person in the so -called body, now in kherson, here they are now the couple focused precisely on the discrediting of the military and this is done precisely by technology and by falcons, appeals are recorded, interviews are allegedly taken, some facts are allegedly made public that our military are naked bosses, that there are no weapons, that weapons were stolen and so on. and this is spreading massively . again, ukrainians hear the word corruption, they stole it, insulted it and begin to spread it massively, not always understanding where the truth is and where it is not . and here they are telling them in every way how to write down the appeal correctly according to the instructions and something else. here are these hidden tools, they have now become much more concentrated, much more massive. of course, they cause more damage
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, but what about these classic russian fakes, to which ukrainians already have such a kind of immunity to them they have two. by the way, they mentioned one more important direction. this is the work regarding the military and this is for russian propaganda. well, there are just some big lies that they constantly say . is fighting and why they still ca n't break through the defense there well, in principle, in many places and why are they moving so slowly, from this point of view, it is absolutely no longer clear from this point of view, it is absolutely clear that these are isolated things, but there are also nuances and er let's also discuss it there this one is already working well, what is called small squares, that is, not even through the media, there are completely different methods. well, if i would like you to focus more on the methods, because these are very individual things, there are not even telegram channels, but chat rooms. well,
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such a plan, that is, how is it what is going on, look here, in fact, we need to separate two audiences because there they work both with the military and with their families. and if we take the military, then the same oleksiy bartoschak, who was on a business trip to donbas , he made public a recording from the radio of the so-called radio pobeda, where they simply told the instructions on how to record these appeals and how to actually surrender to desertion and so on. and of course we have certain questions about how mobilization takes place and those who are really very motivated do not always get into the army and find the key to such with the help of such appeals are enough to push them to do this , and it is not difficult if you focus on where to hit and they succeed because we simply see the backstop, here are their instructions that they broadcast and here are the appeals that spread this first moment second the moment spreads, that is, now, unfortunately, we already have such a whole network of bloggers who have a
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sufficiently large audience, and who broadcast constantly on a regular basis, these appeals are concentrated, and they are shown in which you mentioned the anti-vaccination movement, he is just a member of this network, absolutely this is one of the participants, this is what i emphasized, and he also has some. well, he has a number of goals and accusations, as well as many other bloggers who , in fact, if you dig, have a criminal past and there, well, that is, there is no place to put a test, but people for some reason they don't study this. and when they see such an emotional appeal, they start to spread it, and there really is, for example, 10 soldiers signed up from the appeal and 10 million was collected, and the problem is there, even s-percent of the entire ukrainian army does not have this problem, but it is spread like this, and the second very important vector is how they work with wives. and when they are leaked information about what is there, oh, there is absolutely nothing there, but it is necessary to raise information because it should be made public in order to provide your husbands with something there.
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when you start to figure it out, this is a problem that first concerns one unit there, some logistical moment, a failure occurred or something. that is, it is a point problem. and in the point problem, which are we provided for, which, again, because of those emotional appeals through the wife, they start to speed up through viber chats especially through social networks, and in parallel, the foundation is being created in telegram channels, which again belong to the fsb, we know that their network now covers 4 million people only in telegram. that is the usual practice. and how do you check, that is, there is no information on the entire front line, and when, for example, there are other military personnel who speak openly ? look, we now have all the provisions, that is, there is no problem with the tales of such gunmen as there was before. there can be exceptions, as always. here but these are exceptions, this is not the rule. so it starts to speed up, and a third one is very possible. this vector is starting to discredit the volunteer movement because they are starting to say that yes, we
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paid money as volunteers, but they took it apart, that is and the ministry of defense divulged, and the volunteers divulged. this is how mass disinformation spreads, which everyone discusses. well, you know, oksana, i’ll even probably say that here, uh, well, every single person who gets somewhere seems to be trying to trick her with such things. should already have some kind of immunity to such things, well , that is, it is important here that people themselves give to this age or on an individual level, but if we say systemically, then e systemic work here, unfortunately, not only has to be done by some well, that's what we we are clarifying that there is some kind of informational work, but in fact it is anti-subversive work, because it is direct sabotage, that is, it is also done by people who are direct direct agents and who simply have to be fought with the methods, well, with which the agents are fought, and not just to convince someone there. i am in this
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you are absolutely sure, hello, because now these are the wives, and in fact, every average ukrainian who does not even have a loved one at the front, we are all in a very difficult emotional state and when we and we want to help in every way and when a person sees that she can help, allegedly by publicity , she takes and helps without understanding the facts, and she really thinks that by spreading this information about the fact that the boys left them there, they left bare feet, she helps . all this leads to the reverse, really, because it is very important to fight for these saboteurs, and in the end we see their centers, that is, you take this entire anti-vaccination movement with their leaders. implementation, but in the end, there are already criminal proceedings against many of them, so the situation can change, of course they can look for other groups, but at least partially, for sure, it will be neutralized in time, but that's a question for the law enforcement officers
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, why are they still not in prison people, yes, this is a question, and i think that your very valuable opinion is that you should not try, when you see something like this, you know that you want to let off steam, and as if how to free yourself from this burden, you need to understand and understand that such things in fact, you have to decide very often, well, in some direct way, that is, call somewhere to be interested and not immediately throw it away. it's just for publicity because it's easier for me, it's easier. how to become a vegetable and well, actually today we have more and more news on the espresso tv channel, thank you, the air force of ukraine stands in defense of the sky space of our country, highly maneuverable and mobile
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