some regions are beginning to focus on stronger ones, so to speak, a new pendulum, the same china, the same, the same japan, and this is objective , it cannot be changed by decree, which scares our dear western partners, it seems to me that we are talking about uh, two trends about what you told mr. vasyl, fears. and what about nuclear weapons and into which hands it can fall, and the second, much more prosaic, is the reluctance to deal, well, relatively speaking, with 15- with some new international subjects instead of one, well, putin, well a barbarian, a thief, a bandit, but one, and somehow certain relations have been established, and here we will

try to somehow keep it within some more or less normal limits, this is exactly what happened before the collapse of the ussr, we know this well, we will not to be repeated, but again, objective factors are stronger than requests or incantations or the opinions of certain western politicians, if the country is no longer capable of development , it is falling apart, and that is why it seems to me that our western partners and their analytical center already now we need to think about what will happen next in order not to find ourselves in a situation when it has already happened and there is no plan of action yet, but actually we need to think about this now with our grateful friends and not about how to save putin's face or not offend the

russian the federation is doomed, it is a one hundred percent thing, but when it will happen and how it will happen, we need to work on it today, by the way, we remember when ukraine was conquered by azerbaijan, when georgia was annexed to the soviet union, or other peoples there or then they became republics, this is fresh in the memory, and that's why when the soviet union collapsed, these republics separated, it was accepted as normal, but they simply forgot, obviously, at one time, kutya was also an independent kingdom, they had such a ruler there, and by chance the russians found out about this sirs , you are the people who came to the yenisei river from such a person who said that there is a big river there and this is the lena river and the yakut people live there and they went there and then there were battles, they won as well as not conquered the chukchi as

they conquered the kazan khanate by cutting out kazan, they went to the fortress several times, and there was someone masturbating from the third time they conquered it. that is, they were also peoples who lived separately. maybe they were not super developed there, but there was a river, there were ships, guns fired, bells were rung . people lived, seized the brains and actually annexed them. therefore, we must understand that people who, perhaps, do not think about it, that this is small muscovy, the ulus of the golden horde, the moscow kingdom, it captured everything with fire and sword. therefore, it will give birth and have an obvious right to self-determination, to develop their culture, their languages, and have the right to live as they see fit, to live without being a threat to anyone or being partners, good neighbors, and they can actually live there, there are enough resources, so there are no cars, so i agree with that statement and continued your opinion. look, i am now really a certain new element, which was not there before, but now there have already been two conferences of representatives of these enraptured conquered by the

brainiacs and peoples who took place in warsaw. now, quite recently, a few days ago , representatives of enslaved people are gathering in prague, i am thinking what to do next, and now in prague they have written a whole program of how they should unite, how they should conduct politics and fight for this the imperial moscow center has fallen. how should one coordinate one's activities, how should one interact with european and world capitals, in one word, it begins what used to be, well, you know, hammered with big nails, which are called hundreds, and there is little else there moved now, when the situation begins to change , when people see that this is really not just an empire, but an

empire of evil and the personification of this world evil, it becomes simply unbearable for people to be in this empire, by the way, which actually destroys these peoples, take nationality of these finno -ugric swamps which in fact today, even on the basis of the fact that they were the foundation of the muscovite empire, today they say that their identity is really being destroyed, a couple of years ago i saw it at an exhibition in new york the un photo exhibition, the peoples who are disappearing, the majority of peoples are the peoples of the russian federation , because the assimilation process is simply terrible, so

the representatives of these peoples obviously do not want to be just cannon fodder for putin's aggression, and by the way, this is terrible the war shows that ethnic russians are being thrown into this crucible of war. well, it's all about the russians. because i think there is no such concept in principle, it's an artificial, artificial thing. i would write everything in this book, and they are throwing, as they say, representatives of national minorities of those themselves beets of the same er-e chechel of the same adygei people there and so on and so on, that is, there is a purposeful policy of extermination of the national, as they say, element in order to make russia almost homogeneous, but they do not understand that er separatist

autonomous there are trends in siberia and in the far east where the majority of the so-called russian population lives, so i repeat once again that this under-empire has no chance and we must together with our western partners start thinking about how the disintegration of russia to spend it as accurately as possible, painlessly, without problems, because the whole civilized world will benefit from it. i hope for the future, i am just knocking on the door, the future requires development and a way forward, so that resources are disclosed to the world and are not a reason for blackmail, it is possible to trade, buy, and you know when elon musk does there is a solar battery in australia that supplies electricity to almost the entire south of the australian continent, and people pay

for it. it’s a small amount of money and it all costs $100,000 . it’s clear what happens with such technologies. this russia with its gas and oil blackmail looks just ridiculous and just low and that's why the civilized countries of the world united in order to stop it . let's first start with the grain agreement or the grain scam, let's talk about it, because here too putin has partners who are very unexpected, but today they were very impressed by the unpleasant interview given by rajet and the paradogran publication trte he says so we we also look at putin and on zelensky as friends and not enemies, moreover , the approach of the west towards putin is wrong, you know the attitude of western politicians towards putin does not suit politicians, what kind of attitude do you have towards him , you show that and you will get it, says rajet, it was sold by one of the signatories of this well, he did not

personally sign it signed by the minister of defense of the republic of turkey, but erdoğan actually stands over him. that is why he is one of the signatories and guarantors of this gas agreement and the grain agreement. this is what he says. how would you comment on it, or is it again some other such a virtuoso play by the turkish sultan. is this just an acknowledgment that we are now dependent on russia in some ways? we will behave like this and despite all this we will win everywhere. let's say the first victory of turkey is that they will buy ukrainian grain at lower prices. please , no. you are right, vasyl, in fact, we should approach all these things very carefully and carefully, i would say so, why? well, because we see on the example of the same turkey on the example of the same israel that the leaders of these countries are actually playing their own game, and if you

are very frank and very direct, i think that the interests of ukraine are in 12th place for them, and the main interests are to make more money, and you know that. this is the history of grain, and the role of turkey in it, on the one hand, is definitely positive for us, because if we manage to export grain, this is a minimum of a billion dollars a month for ukraine, which is needed today, and hmm, on the other hand, you are absolutely right . turkey earns not only millions of dollars from this, but also this so to speak, the role of uh, but i think that this is a rather conditional role of uh, a mediator, but with a vested interest, and how can you be equally friends with a tyrant, with

a murderer, with uh, in fact, a war criminal, although we are certainly not judges, we cannot give a final verdict, but according to all indications, this is a person who is guilty of war crimes and should be brought to criminal responsibility and say that this is the same as relations with ukraine, which is a victim of this er-er of this bouzovira. such an approach seems to me to be cynical and absolutely unacceptable well, i'm not talking about the fact that turkey, nato, and such statements definitely undermine the unity of this alliance, the alliance is the only tool that can really resist russian aggression, so frankly speaking, i was not just disappointed with this statement and actually, not

only with this statement, but with the actions of turkey and again and again, i conclude from this that ukraine should thank you for the help, but think about its national interests and in no way pretend that we do not notice the negatives that are and the positions of turkey and the positions of israel and the position of hungary. well, some other countries are trying to earn themselves millions or some political points mainly on our mountain. hetman of skoropadsky even in ancient times oh doroshenko excuse skoropadskyi doroshenko and supported ukraine in many ways well, they fought with the turks, well, in any case, now, uh, i think the world has already decided who is for whom even china, which doesn't seem to condemn putin, so openly calls for diplomacy, so calls for a

solution to the issue until the escalation of the tension, but even china refused to invest in russia, but in this project there is only one uh-uh there van bellt uh-uh and and i do n't care sometimes it's an international initiative, yes, baldat, er, van gold, er, the initiative is, you see, this is the one belt, the only way, ivan velta, and that's why investments in russia were at the level of more than 10 billion from the 14th to the 17th year, it's like this a great initiative when today i am not japan china invests in the project in different countries, well, in order to create opportunities for trade for growth and so on, this is very important, but they have now withdrawn from the project in russia, and this means that china does not want to be under the sanctions of western countries, because it understands that in a western country the western economy is development, it is investment, technology is the most important thing. because you know, many people say, well, china also has technology, and someone else has technology . china has technology, but they wanted to, er, very ugly to steal er, projects, er motor six months ago

what could they not do with the motors for their attack helicopters, which crashed when i was there? technology tests are not so easy to get them on a 3d printer, you can print it out for years and years of work, and in america this work is in ukraine , in certain industries there are the chinese, so it will not reach well, in many ways, that's why he wants to have technology and money, investments , development and cooperation, and at least in this china has shown russia that we are not with you. well, there are countries that are with russia, i will not say that these countries are high-tech, to put it mildly, but they are and they support russia now before we move on to the topic of the tour of lies or lavrov's african tour, let's listen to the minister of the north, the minister of foreign affairs of the congo, he remembers his leningrad, his leningrad youth studentship and how he loves i will disperse, let's listen to the minister of foreign affairs, jean-claude gokosos, studied in

leningrad, honestly, it was very beautiful, olyft kirovsky theater, pitery yami, too, it will be for me, as i know my house well, ermish, it seems that he is not sincere taras varenya well, i don't know if he went to marinka, well, he went to the kirovsky theater, er, so he remembers how he says that he seems to be afraid of me, ah , this african tour of lavrov, these statements he made there are even possible don't count them, because he says there that we will fight together with congo, uganda , ethiopia against the uh-uh, the west's apathy in the economy. we understand that these are just words, but why did he go there and what kind of support did he seek there? i think that no one went for support because she

is simply not there, er, there is no where she is there brothers, there is no one to provide it there, that is, i think that he went there, uh, bearing in mind uh, uh, two uh, purposes, the first and main one is propaganda, because in reality , uh, russia is isolated from civilized education, uh, they do not maintain any ties with them they are not shaking hands, well, the only exception is siarko, orban. well, here i am thinking about talking about it. there is no point. i only hope that the european union draws a conclusion from this position of hungary and in the rules of consensus it will finally be stopped. in history then panorban will remember these times like lost opportunities. well, this is another problem with regard to the africa of the african voyage, that is, it is necessary to show the people

of the population across the border what russian foreign policy is still oo-o that he can even go to egypt is there or in the congo or lugano or somewhere else and there to meet him such a minister who once went to the army, that is, this is actually the key element and to be honest, i am watching the nervous reaction of the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation to this foreign policy blockade and how they are uh they are trying, well, absolutely senselessly and incompetently, to present all these visits as some kind of definite breakthrough. well, the second goal is very simple in my opinion, because all these regimes er, which er, the kremlin fed earlier er in africa and fed mainly with weapons today are found russia is in a very difficult situation. there is

not enough. it is not that there is not enough to sell weapons somewhere abroad. there are not enough weapons. there are weapons on the front line. therefore, i think one of the goals was to reassure them that well, you are here. there is no money. but you are holding on, that is, somehow you are holding on there, but well you understand that we have very big problems and we , er, at some point we will give up on our own volition but these are already your problems, think about how to deal with them as they say, so i think that it is er, er, exclusively of such propagandist er, well, traditional for russia, it is like a voyage, it is absolutely fruitless , there are no practical results of this, there are no real political or economic dividends from this visit, and

even in principle well, therefore, now i think that today and tomorrow on moscow tv will be filled with these handshakes, these hugs, there are some re-edits and no more just a picture for propagandists, and that's all. i think it's possible that this is the minister. he's already so old. i don't see a very young guy . maybe he still remembers the young putin. somewhere under the kiev theater, maybe putin met him with his gopnik boys there somewhere. well, everything can be possible, but it is possible. these guys just worked with this man, and because of this, he treats russia so well and to this day. statement, by the way, now let's digress a bit for a moment of humor, that means vladimir putin, everyone knows vitaly portnikov, er, they also asked him once, he told us here that putin really doesn't

read the internet, he doesn't use the internet. i don't know why there are several people who don't use smartphones, let's say it's stephen king for obvious reasons, and vladimir putin, but these are completely different characters, me and him, sometimes they show something there, or they take his advisers or assistants there and show something from the internet, what's happening there the world, outside his bunker, outside his residence outside the kremlin walls, what was the last thing putin was shown, how did they react to it, and let's see the day before yesterday, they showed me a picture there on the internet, in the mass media in europe, they are spreading, uh, the pictures of a person are depicted and at the bottom, the signature means you want to anger putin, my only 4 places и показывать есть здесь здесь и здесь well, that 's what it's all about. mistakes, and now they don't know what to do with him, it's still to

blame. this is what i understand. it's about the fact that in europe, they want to defeat putin, because he is blackmailing energy europe, and europe and ukraine , too, which means that saving light, saving water, saving gas, washing there less, don't fill the bathtubs full, close the doors faster, well, that is, europe is preparing for this. this winter, they make pictures like this. and putin is very angry, he understands that europe should crawl on its knees and stand in front of him in a circle and say, oh, have mercy, almighty. how are you? do you think that europe will survive this gas blackmail and will there be any attempts to go after putin's concessions, you know, it seems to me that the effect will be exactly the opposite of what putin is planning for himself well, how about this, what is he trying to do, the situation becomes well just the opposite of his absolutely sorry for the idiotic plan, well, he wanted to put nato back to the year 97, and

he got finland, sweden on his tray. 000 killed and er somewhere around three times more wounded. well, and so on. that is, that's all. that's all, so to speak, things of the same order. i think that these threats and disconnection of russia by russia for europe only strengthen europe in the fight against with this russian blackmail, look at us in the sixth and ninth years, they didn't believe that well, when we said that gas is a weapon, gas is a tool of pressure, they said, well, you know there's something in you, something's wrong between you, sort it out, because now to be honest, i'll even cynically say that i'm very glad that the europeans are on as an example, they saw what gas is in the hands of

putin, and there is oil, coal, and other energy sources. and i think that now the decision that the european union will reduce the consumption of energy sources from russia by 15% is an answer to putin's wishes to crawl to it on its knees. i think that europe has to hold out almost the entire winter and maybe maybe, although i am not sure, maybe the next one, but most likely only this one. and you know exactly after europe gives up energy carriers from the russian federation this sunset it will not go to the empire at a much faster pace, because there will be no one to sell to, there will be no financial income, there will be a collapse of entire sectors of the economy, social problems, and it will all go

on increasing, as they say, so i think that actually returning to our first topic it is no longer about decades, but only about years. medvedev, he already does not have the opportunity to go to his vineyards. is there anywhere else he could go? he has now arrived in rostov, met with refugees from ukraine, or are there so-called refugees there deported people. it’s hard for me to say who is there. well, but he found ukrainians in many of them, they simply kidnapped them and took them out and they are trying to settle them there in the russian federation, or they are sending them somewhere far away on the amur river, or somewhere in the far east. there is no money. well, you keep it. by the way, there really is no money in crimea, because the last name is the budget. you can sequester the budget. putin took the money that was allocated for the development of crimea, so the crimeans should prepare for the fact that there really is no money next time. well, but in rostov-on-don medvedev promised ukrainian

refugees mountains of gold, let's see. thank you, well, he made a great promise to people, i don't know what kind of people there are. well, maybe there are those lovers of putin's russia, god is with them, they tell me everything, but his promise is simply gorgeous. i will call vladimir vladimirovich . i think that this will simply solve all the problems of these people, let's. well, you will comment on

it and then we will make this the last topic. pea court once upon a time, by the way, in the days of the memorable yanukovych. he even visited kyiv and i remember. at our shevchenko kyiv university, he even gave a lecture, and i was not there. but they told me that well, he looked like that, he made such a more or less adequate impression, he spoke about the right things, well, in a word, he looked more or less adequate, and here 10 years have passed and look at the level of degradation a man who sold his soul to the devil. he was the personification of his time russia of some kind of neoliberalism of a new course, far

away from putin. that is, someone even promoted him and recommended him, by the way, to go to the elections against putin. well, he realized in time that his fate would be quickly completed after that, and he sat on the place of this pea-sized jester, but what is happening with the so-called political elite of russia, well, it is truly a national shame, and the president must end this, it is a shame. by the way, in the 10th year, i saw him, he was at chernobyl yanukovych was a journalist there. well you see, but he drank and sold to putin in the end thank you very interesting conversation thank you for your comments, your specialists volodymyr the great with us the head of the russian research center of the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in the seventh ninth year it was a program vasyl zimi's worldview stay with the press stay with us watch listen like spread well and follow itar goodbye rang

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