of this entire agreement, because ukraine is still in the stage of war. and in general, in your opinion, this is the sending of portas , e-e, ports. if a rocket hits him there or the port at this moment, it means a direct violation of these agreements, or does everything have to happen in a special operation? it is very large and you will not cross it quietly, that is, it must be a large number of ships to take it out, and secondly, it is the same grain. well, it is not ukrainian. well, as it belongs to non-ukrainian companies and the owners of the grain. they must be interested in its take out the same grain. it can also be insured, that is, if the son himself

something happens to the grain, then there can be insurance compensation. that is, well, there are many questions that arise, but of course this whole process should be exclusively public andriy and tell me, did you remember they don't talk much about everything, by the way, because everyone says so publicly ukrainian grain ukraine , the exhibitor, should export it is our money, it is our farmers, our agrarians, you say that the grain is not ukrainian, who does this grain belong to ? the manipulation that is happening now is when they say ukrainian grain and ukrainian ships, that is, let 's start from the first, it is ukrainian grain as long as it grows in the ground, when it is harvested, it belongs to our farm. then the farmers sell it and buy all the grain from us, mainly large grain traders there, well, there is a list of 15 or 20 of them for the whole of

ukraine. what jurisdiction are these grain traders from ? they already sell it to where they want and the grain is washed. well, there it is literally two months after the harvest, because it is no longer farmable at the elevators, it is so expensive for this grain when it lies on the elevators correctly those farmers who sold it understood, because there are still many among the farmers, it is because not all farmers have sold it. well, you understand, the ukrainian infrastructure was not expected to have such a dynamic increase in productivity, because we had 40 million in the 90s, it turned out to be 780 million now the infrastructure has just started to catch up to this and it turns out

that sometimes the farmers can store their harvest there for half a year and then only the pourer gets in, and here consider six months the grain was not exported and there was something with the pourers something at the farmer lies well, there may be many options somewhere, but the fact that at the ports of the fillers, not ukrainian farmers, the grain has already been bought by traders and the dose of renault is not ukrainian. andriy, accordingly, in the unblocking of the ports and the export of grain from ukraine , who is interested in ukraine, here is the interest. well, i would say interest 15 this is in order to free e-e areas for the new harvest, and the main interest of the owners of zno is definitely the main interest, and the owners are grain traders and this is their main one. they say that it is ukrainian grain here and

here, there are the tears of cool africans and others, well, but whether it will even go to africa is a big question, eh. security , for example, for odesa there. well, the sportsmen of odesa are the number one issue, and if the military there say that, well, it is necessary to act like this, then, well, the interest of our state and all residents . there or turkey but ukraine ukraine conducted these negotiations in such a way. well, you are leaning towards the fact that it is not necessary to do this, it is not necessary to unblock against, correctly, nothing. you ca

n’t say what they gave us for this, maybe we got some kind of weaponry or there, well, harpoons weren’t just caught up under odesa, that is, there were definitely some negotiations there, it was also a certain element of the negotiation of everything else, i.e. ukraine did its part, it demined the ports there, put harpoons and said that we will destroy all the black sea fleet there, who will leave the sevastopol water area? your problems well, this is the position of ukraine, that is, it is well balanced , quite correctly, and well, to a certain extent, rational , and here, hmm, i have a question, mr. andriy, what about the current harvest, which has already begun, how did it begin in these conditions, what about the yield and the forecasts for

it, well, of course, we have a decrease in the area. that is, the area that was sown is smaller, and less will be gathered , or not everywhere where it is sown, it will be possible to gather, because if , for example, there were shellings in the spring and shells remained, and the field, well, accordingly, entered culture , you won't collect anything in this field, maybe we will collect 20-30 percent less. well, maybe 50 million there, but we will also collect and collect quite a lot , and now the number one question is definitely - where and how to store it well, it is necessary to give due the ministry understands all this. it is trying. there are certain options to solve this issue. well, in this direction, there is communication with farmers, but there are questions, and we also have questions about

sales, because if we even harvest this crop, then there will be a question . how to sell it and how to take it out, and well, it also has to be decided somehow by the front-line and border zones, i know. for example, in sumy oblast, farmers invested their money in the demining of fields where enemy logs passed through, whether there is a partial gathering there, i am amazed are these already losses that we can count , see? our democratic initiatives fund, with the support of the fund, recently conducted a study on agrarians, and it was presented, and we conducted a survey . conditionally, there is part of the kharkiv region,

kyiv region, that is, where hostilities took place and where it is free, all the farmers, in principle, either independently did demining or with the involvement of the state emergency service, well, in an emergency, they were brought and well, they are together carried out, but well, they used either drones or minus searchers, but cooperation was also there. well, in principle, it was carried out, and there are already no major threats in these territories, that is, here it is necessary to provide the necessary information that, in principle, the representatives of the state emergency service and the military and farmers that is , they worked quickly and efficiently, so the damage to the equipment was quite large, but they all work, and although there may be a smaller one, it is impressive, but it will be obtained as far as prospects for the

development of alternative logistics routes infrastructure by rail, for example, what is needed for this and do they work? do you understand what the situation is really like without alcohol, to bring out the amount of harvest even that will be collected is quite problematic, it is by rail, you will not transport it, an exact small part, maybe yes, but still the question is relevant and the government is really working on it and it is the farmers who are thinking about this and now it well, how effectively it will be implemented remains to be seen. but there are also options for the construction of processing plants in ukraine in order to reduce the number of export products and increase processing in ukraine itself, well, that is, there are various options to reduce this pressure on the non-exported harvest and its processing well, in principle, a lot of it works

, that is, it can be said that this war has given many opportunities to a certain extent, because farmers can reorient themselves and try some markets for new products. maybe even some kind of financing is good, keeping there a partner to find in europe. that is , it can be called a war of opportunities, and it is possible to even produce, process grain to do here there is some pasta flour and what else can be done there instead of sending everything as raw materials, you know, i would not be so pessimistic about not processing grain because, for example, the same usa, they are the world leader in its cultivation and sale of corn , corn of other seeds, that is, it is not there is evil because, for example, the same grain itself needs infrastructure. that is, the same elevators are needed there. there is technology and chemistry, and it already significantly

drags the development of these adjacent industries, and in these industries there is a very large added value, and so in as for us, in ukraine, processing machines began to be produced there before the war, and agrochemistry began to appear here little by little. well, in fact , it is a very powerful development, so on . yesterday, in kharkiv, during an explosion , a tractor caught fire in the nemyshlyan district, i.e., a 39-year-old tractor driver died from injuries there, fatally injured as a result of an ammunition explosion on the field today's information dnipropetrovsk region zelenodolsk community on the enemy anti-tank mini e hurricane whose carriers are the hurricane blew up the agrarian combiner fortunately was not hurt but the combine itself was damaged in general what is the extent of this

problem i don't know i special un programs there regarding demining support of some world community you you say that it is an unusual phenomenon that agrarians themselves demine their fields, and how urgent is this problem? and what is needed to solve it, or is it only possible to solve the end of the war, and until the end, no one will help us with this, please. well, i will just give you an example from our survey, uh, we about well, when we conducted in the chernihiv region, one farmer told me that he was driving a range rover, and several people were following him of the emergency services car just as it was demining and he blew up on a mine, that is, well , because the car was of good quality, he survived, but he had a contusion there, well, he was lying in the hospital, but he blew up just as we were going to demining. that is, we have to understand that well the next year or two will be such extreme years, because here too, in fact, everything will depend on the

people and on their initiative, and the state cannot, during hostilities, also engage in demining. well, it may not make sense, because you demined, and tomorrow again these the rockets that are dropped there, these cluster rockets or what are they, that is , they will cover everything again and what? well, that is demining, it is already going on after the end of hostilities, well understood. thank you, now it is no longer an allegory to walk through a minefield associate analyst of the democratic initiatives fund named after olko kucherev et al. we have video materials that we will review about the fact that president volodymyr zelenskyi and the day before, who missed it, let us remind you, dismissed ruslan demchenko from the post of first deputy secretary of the national security and defense council, the head of the president's office mykhailo podolyak explained this decision as difficult

about demchenko's health and assured him that he had been at his workplace since the beginning of the full-scale invasion. well, it seems that it's good that everyone gave birth to those who were fired, but it's strange that you all explain the president it's because of poor health, but what did mr. demchenko remember when he got to the bank, let's see now. ruslan demchenko, a staff diplomat, worked as the head of protocol for president viktor yushchenko and an adviser to president petro poroshenko during yanukovych's time. demchenko held the position of deputy minister of foreign affairs affairs and managed the russian direction, in particular, according to investigative journalists of the scheme, he lobbied for the so -called kharkiv agreements, according to which ukraine extended the term of stay of the russian black sea of the fleet in crimea, as evidenced by the transcript found by journalists, it was demchenko who convinced the people's deputies to ratify the document of the scheme. they also found out that after the revolution of dignity, demchenko was subject to lustration, but for

unknown reasons, his name disappeared from the website of the ministry of justice in president zelenskyi's office, they convinced the official to pass the lustration check, however refused to provide relevant documents, according to journalists yury butusov zelenskyi not only dismissed demchenko from the post of first deputy secretary of the national security council, but also removed him from his post the head of the intelligence committee was prepared by demchenko over the past two years, all intelligence officers of ukraine, border guards, external intelligence and other special structures, we are adding to the conversation tetyana kozachenko, public figure, lawyer, head of the public lustration committee, mrs. tetyana. we congratulate you. glory to ukraine, a little louder , please, that we heard you . please comment in general about demchenko and whether his appointment after the revolution of dignity to the position of first deputy secretary was legal the nsdc and the head of the intelligence committee of

the president's secretariat are also requesting that, in accordance with the law on the purification of power, there is a list of officials exclusively from yanukovych's time officials who are prohibited from holding any government positions until october 24. he has three such criteria, first of all, he graduated from the highest institution of the kgb, lutsk, and is currently a person who is implemented in the kgb system, which clearly means cooperation the presence of all documents and communication with the relevant special services of the russian federation, it is clear that according to such a law, people should not have been allowed to hold public positions; moreover , during yanukovych's time, he was the head of the

ministry of foreign rights and was the first deputy minister during the active events of the revolution dignity of the acts of mass protest in february, he actually became an acting minister, therefore he has three criteria according to which he does not have the right to hold public positions until the age of 24, but his appointed contrary to the requirements of the law, the information on how he passed the lustration check was closed and not revealed, the courts do not consider lustration cases because they believe that the parties in such cases are the person who was appointed and the body that appointed, that is, in fact, the violators of the law themselves , in this way it appears to us that no there is an entity that has the opportunity to verify the legality of the

appointment of the prosecutor's office, the prosecutor's office and other law enforcement agencies, they distanced themselves from this because they are a monolith, in fact, and will not oppose in the office of the president, we have a violation of the law. and no one has refuted the grounds for such an appointment. how was the lustration check done? and where is our internal security in general? how can it happen that a person is appointed as an adviser to the president and then as a deputy secretary of the national security council, who immediately falls under the three criteria of lustration, someone? a special inspection is carried out in rule-of-law states , there is a distribution of power, and this distribution assumes that each body is independent and politically neutral, if we are talking, for example, about the office of the general prosecutor, if the prosecutor general is appointed a person who has no relation to

criminal justice, has never worked in that field, was a teacher, for example, of civil disciplines, and besides that, there is no political injury, and he is a representative of a specific political force. can we talk about what, for example, the office of the prosecutor general is an independent body and is able to investigate, in particular, cases of the appointment of the president's office regarding persons to positions, if there is a violation of the law, we are talking about what is actually happening yes or otherwise usurpation of power grounds dismissal is very difficult to discuss because at the moment if society or us are given any reasons, we understand that these are formal reasons that have been brought to society and real reasons, unfortunately, at the moment no one knows , maybe health is an objective reason, maybe this is a

reason for that to remove a person from one position, it is possible to assign another position in this situation is difficult to assess because the information provided to us is not transparent and objective and is accepted in extraordinary events where we forget that on today, we are in a united state in ukraine, war, and this means that even the information that is now given out by journalists to society can be transformed, perhaps for the purpose of protecting the state, but with another purpose. of the president under all presidents starting with kuchma, where he was the deputy head of the protocol service under president kuchma. then he was the head of the protocol service already under yushchenko and the head of the office president under yushchenko, then after

yanukovych's victory, he was with him at the minister of foreign affairs, then under poroshenko, he was an adviser to the president of ukraine, already poroshenko, and then about zelensky, he also seems to be an adviser at first and then the first deputy secretary of the national security council as such personnel mr. tetyana, it is possible to suspect any violation of the law on lustration in any agency work, among other things, he and his wife graduated from this kgb institute, so they still need a family contract there i don't know, i don't know, please talk about specific violations of the law, whether he is an agent, whether he is an agent, whether he provided any information or not, but the tools to prove this are exclusively in the hands of law enforcement agencies . being in public positions, that is, he was part of the system that we are constantly trying to change. even starting all the time, we will take

all the presidents, we will take the current president zelensky, we will have a president ex poroshenko, we are talking about the fact that the system that existed before them was highly credited by them as a corrupt system, the officials of which knew exactly which system they were in, they were also a monolith and supported it with their work, and everyone with the president actually uses the tools of the functionaries of that system, who know how it works that can provide quick manual decisions that are useful in some way. why is he in office? but not because he has a personal desire and means he should er or does someone need him holds the position of pischino and you are not surprised that several more events happened yesterday, in particular the announcement of suspicion

against the former ministers of foreign affairs and justice kostyantyn hrischenko and oleksandr lavrynovych, who happened to be ministers at the time when these were the kharkiv agreements, which were supposedly written by ruslan demchenko himself, were agreed upon and signed with do you remember that russia was voted for under the eggs in the ukrainian parliament, why were they charged with suspicion and demchenko was only released, and on the basis of his health , on some suspicion in some agency activity, is it fair, where is justice, so much attention is being diverted from people, the right actions that are taking place today, it is fair to hand over the suspicion to the other, it is unfair. that's why the officials, because when they

show us procedurally that some kind of work is going on, and at the same time, the legal way is correctly brought to the verdicts and in the judicial procedure no it will have to be done, then i understand that this is still a political game, and the law enforcement agencies are currently succinctly correct, unbiased, objective, politically neutral, and still do not prove the work of the pre-trial perspective, and the court does not consider the cases that the country expects, namely, the fair assessment of the collaborator corruptors traitors if such events took place and how many more do you think we have?

the purification of power provided for specific criteria for the top officials by positions that have enough likes on those labor books or the corresponding complex list for the 14th year, which means that for all recent periods no more than 5,000 people for the 14th year in government positions of equal and different level, including the military, there were no more than 600-700 thousand officials, i.e. no more than five thousand people are subject to the prohibitions of cleansing the power, those who were appointed to the post of violation of the law - these are units, there are not so many of them, we described in principle all of them cases by the ministry of justice that were from the ministry of justice that were invented and that were noted as violations and already after the appointment of zelensky such violations were the most high -profile. it was

andrii bohdan. after that , the ministry of economic affairs left, and demchenko is the most high-profile appointment, and of course, we can not forget oleg tatarov, who, according to the law, falls under the purging of the authorities, but in different ways by procedural trickery, he was removed from the by-law in the paralegal and artificially by the president's office, well , in fact, when everyone named oleksiy, yes , lyubchenko, andriy bohdan, and ruslan demchenko were released, only oleg tatar was left . people who somehow miraculously remained and were not, er, lustrated in connection with the law on lustration, and there are actually border

regions, er, there is a threat of being under temporary occupation. now some kind of intelligence is being conducted the work of those who sit there in the offices of regional or district administrations and wait until it is necessary to hang the tricolor for the 16th year. all officials who held positions were checked for lustration criteria. after that, all persons who applied for positions must undergo an illustration check and must have a corresponding certificate that they have passed it or there may be violations, they can be sure, but at the moment, the law is usually enforced, it is followed except in exceptional cases in relation to only certain individuals the responsibility is political when, for example, the president's office itself, the president or another person appointing something oleg tatarov lyubchenko demchenko take this responsibility because they need such a

person in office more than the implementation of the law and this is an extremely scary situation when someone puts himself above the law, the issue is not about personalities and not in surnames, do not like change the law, all government officials and comply with statutory legislation. if you do not do this, it means arbitrariness, it means that someone puts himself above the law and this is precisely the terrible category that says that there cannot be a legal state under those conditions, but i repeat once again that there are not many such cases, that is why they are so blatant and exactly such surnames are actually known to a large number of ukrainian activists and the international community, and they insist all the time on attention to there is still the security service of ukraine, which is also not fully cleared, but if it was not cleared, is there any now, but in

connection with the war and the great danger, it is possible that some separate body or more efforts calculate well, who is theirs and who is not theirs, the system is built in such a way that there are services uh-uh in the sbu there is also an internal investigation service, in fact, uh, that is why it must be balanced, this is such a delicate topic in our country that i think that at the moment they can somehow control external organizations, at the moment we are talking about the fact that the balance is maintained in many issues and the fact that they were able to withstand such aggression towards ukraine and the impossibility of russia to receive them , the blitzcrib shows that at the moment and in these services there are enough high-ranking professionals

who are able to unite and defend the state. we are talking about those or other people who pose a risk, who can, for example, transmit information to the enemy at the moment, but here only state bodies have the tools to assess this and you yourself said that we are able to publicly discuss those topics, that we have freedom of speech, that our journalists and investigators can raise topics that can lead to decision- making in general and regarding the release of public officials says that to the fact that we have a civil society and at the moment our joint attention allows us to keep this balance and politicians to bear political responsibility for at least those in the following