right now we are shipping grain through these borders through these corridors through airports, before the war we were shipping 5-5.5 million a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-edededededlededed -lededled-madeed-made- madeated accordingly, we have a traffic jam in europe and, accordingly, the demand within the market for our grain has fallen to a minimum and no one buys it through the producer . with their machines and despite the costs, to give at least something to get money and cover their operational costs, this is fuel for e further for the harvesting company, this is pas, this is fertilizers, seeds, and so on, but the producer of goods, that is, the farmer is in no hurry, it is done in ukraine, e to sell grain at

low prices prices, that is, i will repeat this once again, our product manufacturers work very professionally with these temporary storages, they have already been laid before this, where they were laid with them, that is, not who may not have paid attention, but when on the tracks have you seen these 60-meter -long and 200-meter-long sleeves - this is what they are, and we are talking about this technology, well, now you will see more of them, by the way, we will not practically tie them, i do not understand how they can be destroyed, but there are also small nuances all sleeves, or our time in these sleeves is ending, there is one nuance to 7 months of storage , that is, with this temporary storage, we are delaying the solution to our global issue for seven months + then we will have a deterioration in the quality of grain stored in these sleeves.

thank you for the news and you emphasize that, in principle, long- term storage destroys the quality of grain, and that is why it is also such a negative consequence of the temporary occupation of some of our territories and the fact that the enterprise located there together with the elevators are sometimes blocked they cannot carry out timely grain transportation and its quality suffers from this thank you mr. serhiy serhiy shcherban deputy general director of llc solagro-express for grain storage and processing this is important why are we talking about this because not only the corridors for transporting grain from ukraine are working. we are also abolishing taxes on the import of equipment for grain storage, we are thinking about restructuring the elevator market, how to store it better so that it is more difficult to destroy or capture, we are creating favorable conditions for farmers and developing new railway routes, we are engaging international partners in poland the

baltic countries and so on, because putin has no faith in this . ryzhenko, captain of the first rank of the reserve at the naval expert, the head of the ukrainian institute of maritime law and security and members of the expert colleague and the center of defense strategy with us, mr. andriy, good day actually . so i understand that even if everything goes very well now, ours remains. the mine factor, we periodically see how mines are thrown, for example, on the beach there in odessa, and people die, eh. that is, it is a real danger, there are a lot of safe ones what aspects do you see as safe in general? and what do you and other representatives of the maritime community think about the general safety of the start of these grain corridors? well, i'm just wondering why there are mines, there are a lot of mines here, how to really collect them, will it be possible to do all of them, or do we need to do all of them? so

who will do it? well, how much does it cost? well, that means the first thing that concerns the security aspects of escorting these convoys. and ukraine is fully responsible for security within the territorial sea of ​​ukraine of 12 nautical miles . it is written in the agreement that the greatest threat is in this nearest part of the sea and the mine threat is indeed on ukraine . at the beginning of the war, ukraine placed protective mine barriers, but they were placed outside the ports, let's say in such a wild area, which is suitable for conducting an amphibious assault, such as what are the main requirements for this, it is a kilometer-one-and-a-half-two front so that about 6-80 amphibious ships could land their landing there, what mines are there now, they

have a very strange origin, there is information about what it is mine is not ours, these are mines from former ukrainian warehouses that were captured by russia in 2014. they appeared later, in addition, i want to say that when such and such a mine is now shown on the video when it is for some reason and it is standing under water it is buried 2-10 m, but when it breaks away from the minrep for some reason, it is the steel rope that connects it to the anchor on the surface. it should be deactivated, but for some reason they are not deactivated, that is , they can really blow up in addition here are those the cases that happened in odessa on the beaches when there we lost people and were wounded and while swimming there were other mines less and their

origin is also very interesting but in order for us to open the ports for these grain convoys what is needed is the fairways for of this, the navy of ukraine has many means, mainly these will be diving units that are specially trained to carry out surveys, searches, detection and destruction of such sea mines at shallow depths of the order of up to 20 m. it is possible to ensure the cleanliness of such an area with a width of 30-40 m so that the ships can calmly leave and support it. this is the first danger . crimea, and they

can use these missiles not to destroy ships crossing the sea, this is a very serious threat, and here, well, in principle , well, we only have to hope that, somehow , it will be possible to convince russia not to do this, although we know that the terms of the agreement are not adhere to almost no agreement , what could be the next problem, this is what you said about an interesting thing, what is necessary, so-and-so in such-and-such a lane of 30-40 m, so maintain safety, that is, monitor, well, clear this lane of mines and maintain such cleanliness there, and in what is the way to implement this video surveillance, radars, drones, these are some kind of nets, how to implement it practically, well, i am anti-mine patrol, as a rule, when we clear this format, it will be established

ship a, which carries out surveillance against mine protection, the so-called patrol ship which constantly conducts surveillance, and in addition , preventive diving descents are carried out there, and er, it means that they look for the presence of these mines, therefore, as a rule, it is possible. well, just like that, you do not put it there. in principle, such a possibility is small, but there is, that is, uh, imagine how many such ships are needed in order to trace the entire transportation route, you know. well, uh, this is the plot, it is on, as a rule, mines are placed within the borders of the ports there, because the sea is everything. well, it is same it won't be that big, for that you won't put

20 to 50 m in this sea mine every other way. well, i think that when i was preparing for this agreement, operational operational-tactical calculations were developed and it was approximately calculated how much time it would take. continue. please or not, the naval forces did it there, in principle, the personnel is now there, there is a lot of money, maybe only for fuel , but in the future, it is a real question that needs to be developed very seriously, because unfortunately, until during the war, it was not possible to increase the capacity to detect amin mines in the black sea, and it is estimated that there are about 60,000 mines in the black sea in the northern part after the second world war, and after the second world war , only during the second world war during the war, the

soviet fleet used 12 sea mines in the black sea, because no one knows now. well, again, there are many, and even before the war, we found mines every year on the coast of the black sea in the danube rivers. and we have been finding mines since the first world war war and they worked, by the way, and what about the issues of military security in the case of demining , the bilingket experts talk about the possibility of a trojan horse being launched by russia, members of the maritime community paid attention and were alarmed that the negotiating delegation from russia in istanbul included three generals playing with the blood of ukrainians on their hands, who hardly went there in peace, how can we comment on these aspects? well, really, i read such information, it's just that these people can, let's say, program such a

provocation. and after that well, on the basis of these claims about vacancies, to carry out some kind of missile attack or something like that. well, how was it on saturday in odesa? yes, when they said that there was a small military boat stationed there and they hit er-er. that means there were three or three caliber missiles, the cost of each of which there is many times higher than that of the wrong boat, well , it’s just, well, they don’t shoot such missiles with such boats, frankly speaking, the same here. what well, maybe they are looking at options for these provocations to infiltrate and well, when the caravan starts uh, act then uh, make this provocation, and that means accusing ukraine of uh, and

maybe they could even find out the weapons there, say something, what is there? well, i think that it is possible for this, and they participate, but here eh, maybe something for another , but in general, they are critical of the uninterrupted eh, long-term effective work of this grain corridors mission, well, look, today this joint coordination center in istanbul became operational, eh, i understand that on august 5, mr. erdogan will fly to sochi for negotiations with putin there too the work of the grain of this caravan, it means that it will be up to them on such questions of the workers, which will be discussed, so, well, how would it be, well

, these are the questions. so, i just see johnny kardinyshin of the center. i understand that this center just started working. so and well, this is a very serious question, but there are responsibilities, er, there is a role for the organization of the united nations. well, how about um, well, i, well, here, somehow, we need some kind of end result, and the result is ah , thousands, hundreds of thousands of tons of grain which will be transported from ukraine there beyond the black sea a supplier that everyone expects and yes. if there are no provocations, then this is an absolutely accomplished mission. it is very easy to carry out on the spot. please believe that provocations will not be true

. would be the readiness of all parties, well, i mean, except for the russians, there is nothing to mention them here, but to restrain russian provocations in any way , including military, is it theoretically possible and what should be done for this? the water area is large and you can sneakily attack this conditional caravan with grain anywhere, well, theoretically speaking, if, for example, turkey takes this caravan under guard and says that we are carrying out an attack against this caravan, and in the event of opening fire on it, we if we answer by the source, it means attacks, then of course it is you, well, at the same time, if we are talking about the source of the attack, we see that even there, russian calibers, which are apparently high-precision weapons, sometimes miss by hundreds of

meters here in ukraine at stationary targets of large and right here, well, look at the caliber of the era, there are different calibers that shoot according to coordinates, they can miss, and there are such calibers that have a head that is precisely pointed, they shoot quite accurately. there is only when you see that the caliber is coming at you, the first thing you do is you destroy it , your friend, you destroy the one who released it, that's all, if there was such a clear algorithm, there were new forces, the means to do it, then well, it worked , that's how convoy worked in principle these are known during the second world war, do you remember that well then there were different forces and means because there were different attacks, god was lost in the old but now the situation is like this , russia did not buy much power and

it is difficult to counter it, ukraine has the opportunity to counter , for example, the surface fleet of russia, but well from the ss, the marketer is full of neptune, but only in the limited water area of ​​the northwestern part of the black sea. unfortunately, now the armed forces of ukraine cannot counterattack these missiles and provide air defense over the northwestern part we have literally a minute left of the black sea, but we can’t help but ask you, er, russia adopted the world’s longest submarine, nuclear torpedoes are being developed for it, this vessel is called a doomsday submarine, the nuclear-powered submarine belgorod is the largest and most secretive ship of the russian fleet, what do these developments actually indicate in the plans of the russians for the

coming years, how do they plan to communicate with the world, influence world geopolitics, what is your vision here, is the court looking at this submarine he was a garden for 30 years. this is also the type of submarine, the course was redesigned, it was made specifically as a seed in this nuclear torpedo and poseidon , a large torpedo. is of special importance a-a well, well, by itself well, this is another submarine - this is a shark, this is an iphone project, it has a ballistic missile, well, it will go , this poseidon is attached under the submarine and how they say that he has a nuclear power plant, that poseidon himself can go very far and carry a nuclear warhead, but now it is such a

single copy, and i understand, well, it is more like advertising, yes, propaganda. well, i can say that in russia there are many more than a thousand , in my opinion, there are 7,000 nuclear missiles, which, in my opinion, pose the greatest threat than this one, the belgorod with this poseidon, but they have a unique ability to dive at a long range, in general, they work on at a depth of up to 6 km, and they can at this depth there, er, it means that it causes damage to the underwater cable, er, destroys various equipment that is on the seabed, and so on. last year and at

the beginning of this year, there was such a situation when just on the route of the exit of russian submarines from the polish strait , there was, in general days, i think that this is an element of propaganda now, no thank you, sir andriy is forced to say goodbye to the threat to the world and the undeniably aggressive behavior of the nuclear blackmailer in the kremlin. andriy ryzhenko, captain of the first rank of the reserve, naval expert, head of the ukrainian institute of maritime law and security , members of the expert panel of the center for defense strategies, was in touch with us and right now we are moving on to the next guest, the next topic to gas, not nuclear, but gas blackmail of russia and the default of naftogaz mark savchuk, the head of the council of public control will contact us

greetings on skype, mr. marko well, let's actually start with today 's fresh news. naftogaz of ukraine announced that it will immediately offer to hold the eurobond, a new agreement, even the postponement of payments according to the conditions set by the government. ukravtodor and ukrenergo will also be asked to add the deadline for naftogaz payments to the holders of the euro oleg-bond expired yesterday, the company defaulted after the bond the holders rejected naftogaz's first offer as the exchange did not allow the payment of the bonds , now please explain what is actually happening with naftogaz's default, what is the government's position here and the prospects for the development of this situation. they talked about the fact

that naftogaz is in a difficult financial situation, this is logical in principle, i have been talking about the fact that everything is not like that there for about a year. in fact it was stolen between a-a group of ferritosha a and naftogaz a-a this winter. why, in the fall, they changed the contracts between naftogaz and e- sales, which a-a previously required a bank guarantee. that is, if you buy gas, say 100 million cubic meters , you you must provide a bank guarantee that you have money for this amount, and before that it was in the contract, you could not simply take gas from naftogaz. management was in the fact that it stabilizes the market, well, we see how it stabilized

, it was stabilized because we ran out of money, it is perfectly logical that they are running out of money because they took cashiers for it, and the wounds were not calculated, which led to a huge debts and in front of oil and gas, here is what happened in the winter of this year and now we see a difficult situation ah the cabinet of ministers ah and it is in the position that once the war is in the country we need to renegotiate with our creditors ah so and so well, yes, but it is necessary to understand what the creditors are. well, no, idiots, they also understand what is happening and they see how it develops. the financial situation in the company a-and the main criticism of the company was primarily that a-and the company does not have a new council in which there are independent members, that is, the actual state of the company itself manages a-a company and that means such management led to such results a-a naftogaz wants to pay and naftogaz says that it has the resources to pay

, but we understand that a-a means profits that drawing by yuri yuryevich, they are peaceful in the end, and the company will naturally run out of money, it simply will not be able to exist, and that is, pay its operating expenses. and we have a heating season ahead. let's say that all state-owned companies will run as a creditor before negotiating and they will prolong their payments, that is, so that their interest rate either decreases or so that they make payments later, let's say after the end of martial law, well, there are different options and that's what the position of the cabinet is as the owner, so that the company should go to negotiate with its creditors. that's what the situation is now. it's cool, mr. markun. we don't remember what's going on in 2020. ukraine, the government of ukraine

borrowed 620 billion hryvnias in the 21st year, about 700 billion hryvnias. i remember well that some economists at that time drew attention to this and said that this was a rapid increase in debt, and actually that in the 19th year in the ends in fact, in the 18th year, ukraine began to reach such a plateau and was already paying off its debt, and against the background of very rapid gdp growth, the debt-to-gdp percentage decreased, but it began to decrease . we were rapidly accumulating debts again, and that is why now i understand that they cannot fully understand how to pay interest in oil and gas of ukraine on eurobonds, and the main ones were actually eurobonds, external borrowings and udp, i.e. domestic state loans for chickpeas in the domestic market, which you, too, mostly foreign investors invested dollars, so the question has just now started to speak that it is also possible that there is a

pre-default state also have state-owned giants like ukravtodor and ukrenergo, how do you comment on that, and about ukrenergo, i doubt that they have a pre-default state now it's old, and where to get money from, and the opening of express energy to europe is a very profitable business - it's very good for us, it's very good for ukraine, and it will be really big the question is how we will dispose of these resources because the state is preparing another very interesting scheme a-a how to collect this profit a-a so the most logical is naturally a-a collection of e-e money for a state company that is engaged in sales a-a actually with you directly ukrenergos subsequent a-a transfer of e-e this profit to the budget by means of

conductors. independence from ukrenergo well, let's see what the solution will be in the end. i don't believe that ukrenergo is in a difficult financial situation. but as for ukravtodor, to be honest, i don't know what's going on there. they seem to be building roads. what's the situation there? not my profile company, which i follow so much a-a то что сейчас мы yes, then, if i allow ours to remain for a few minutes, literally, but i can’t help but ask you this question too, we’ll talk more about it in the next hour, but also what do you think about today the appointment of prosecutor general andrii kostin , as well as the chairman and judge of the constitutional court, uh, people's deputy from the people's hearing, uh, mrs. olga sovhyru, ah, some already there, dzerkalo tyzhny, for example, wrote that this appointment, in particular , soviriy, is illegal ah as for the member ah, the court. i don't know who it is. well, i can't

monitor absolutely all of kostyan. and what about him? i know it was a vote of the first servants of the people , together with the regional ones that have now been redrawn into others. parties as far as i know crockery, the same situation, a-a bones, from what i know , he took part in a competition for a-a head of sap, he really wanted to become the head, and as a result , he was eliminated from the competition, a-and that's all i don't know about this is where my knowledge ends. of course, the voices of the former regionals surprise me. and in preparation for during the heating season, naftogaz has made a decision according to which naftogaz will continue to supply gas to heat producers at uah 7.40 per cubic meter, that is, the price

will remain unchanged and is fixed until may 31, 2023. well, where to get the money for sale naftogaz is asking for 150 billion hryvnias of direct budget financing for the purchase of gas for the heating season of this heating season. the corresponding letter of the company was addressed to the government, and it is noted in naftogaz that the attraction of such large sums on foreign and domestic markets now it is almost impossible to offer the government to start financing directly from the budget, what to expect, mr. marko, will it be possible to attract funds from the budget, where should they come from, and will the prices really remain the same for ukrainians? i said that low tariffs are a myth because they don’t exist , look at the low tariff, if it really was low, then this is how you pay the price of gas, which they say is 7.46 or 7 9 7 99, and that’s all.

yes, but the fact is that naftogaz comes to the state and says that i need money, i have huge losses due to the fact that i buy expensive gas and sell it at a much lower price, i am running out of money, i am bankrupt, please give me money you and i pay into the budget these are our taxes and then the state takes this money and transfers it to naftogaz in order to cover the difference in tariffs, a logical question arises, did you pay a low tariff for gas, the answer is of course no, you paid well, for gas, it’s just that, that’s the difference between the drawn tariff that you pay and the real market tariff at which naftogaz buys gas, you pay through the budget injector of money to the state company, here the figure is 150 billion, and that’s my position always concluded that

tariffs should always be market -only. there is competition in the market much less corruption, the question arises. and what should poor people do if they cannot pay for high tariffs? the question is absolutely correct, because in fact there are families who simply cannot pay such a high tariff if gas was then 3 to 4 times more expensive. this is true . people need to give targeted subsidies and the state will lose money anyway. but since it will now directly subsidize naftogaz, it will lose much more because we support the corrupt system , that's all well, please, that is, subsidies to ukrainians are actually european, the approach here we see is to some extent the opposite. thank you, panomark. we will continue this topic further