it is exactly what concerns air defense and the list of other things is experience that we could not get anywhere, you know, learning about war from textbooks is one thing, but learning directly in combat operations . things, when i was going on the air, it was just a question from an average viewer, uh, they asked. well, just the press, or a stranger from lviv addressed who will be visiting you and said it will be oleksiy danilov, and he immediately reminded me of your quote about not flinching the hand of the ukrainian armed forces is in order to hit a russian infrastructural facility and that's it. he asked, redirects a simple question, when the hand does not hesitate to hit the crimean bridge, if necessary, this question is accepted by the military, that's the only thing i wanted to note when you say that in lviv there stranger, it's a bit of a surprise, i have the impression that everyone in lviv knows each other about such a place, uh, it's about the crimean

bridge or some other infrastructure. believe me, everything is under his control as soon as it is uh, little dignity, opportunity, capacity and tasks, all this will be done and not only in relation to this object which you have just named ostap drozdov, a guest in our studio has a question for you, my respect, mr. danilov, i have the honor to ask you two questions again, i will be very briefly, the first thing i would like to ask about is the information that the british intelligence and the rest of the pentagon have already publicly voiced regarding the so-called referendums. well, i would call them so disparagingly the referendum of the meccans, this is the fake intentions of russia under the noise. while they are, what is there in these territories, er, they are trying to organize something and something like what they did in crimea , or not in er, in donbas, and with the question of joining

the russian federation, they even mention the date of september 11, this is the day of regional elections in russia, and there is such suspicion that they will simply want to uh under this have time to push the subject of referendums on not yet in the occupied territory i am interested in how much you uh well what is your opinion on this matter and are there any uh there mechanisms uh i don't know not prevention just well reactions to such plans which it seems to me that they are very clear, they are already giving out what is related to september 11, the russians do not surprise us, everyone, the whole world remembers what happened on september 11, 2001 , when a terrorist attacked uh in new york, in new york they attacked uh directly, the civilian population at that time in new york, indeed, they have such plans of paul, but our task is to break these

plans so that this does not happen, if we did not even manage to liberate one or another territory by this time, these e procedures that they for some reason wanting a referendum has nothing to do with what it is purely let's say that's the colonialism that they did all the last let's say that's 300-400 years when they seized foreign territories in this way they wanted to legalize something there to us, it may not be any relation let's say that we don't recognize it as we don't recognize all these the crimean ones, the donetsk luhansk ones, they can get away with everything , the main thing is that they have nothing to do with us, we have such information, we have the issue , we are dealing with it. for us, this is not news, but we have all the information, representatives of the western special services more that's what our intelligence is working on, let's see, let's see how it will look and how much everyone is alive, where will they live until then, here are those who are currently taking an active

part in this. kostyuk , mr. chairman of the lviv regional organization of the union of officers of ukraine, i have a question, especially i want to say that this is a difficult question that you asked , the question of safety in this process of exporting our bread, it is in the first place, if it is not ensuring their safety, not a single ship will leave our ports, but if this issue is not resolved, i want to assure you that there will be no other way, as someone there starts to invent everything, everything will be demined, and everything, i can say after er, of certain processes, we talked with general zaluzhnym, and moreover, he assured us that by that time the products were in our possession, so i think that this will be a joint task if russia continues to strike , we will strike at our infrastructure of course, i am proud of myself. i can imagine how

we can make this movement happen. yuliya lutsenko, a deputy of the volyn regional council. greetings, mr. danilov. i actually recently returned from prague, literally two days ago, from the forum of free peoples, and i understand that today's your the statement is honestly support for those people who were there because we had an indirect relationship with it, but they did it, consciously or unconsciously, i don't know. as for this process, i absolutely support it, you already know that i'm not the first there was a meeting of exercises for this, there was a meeting in washington, then there was a meeting in warsaw, and people are working to deal with this issue, see russia doomed to these three points, which i have publicly voiced today, but we have a more ambitious thing, we have a more ambitious thing, let's say so, here is the proposal for the world, i would like him to be, i wish life is

really a project of our national security, our defense. well, the main thing is that this project is for development. thank you, we will release oleksiy danilov if there are no more questions in the studio. thank you for the comprehensive answers well, with your permission, we will continue the topic and already ask taras stetske what unions you probably have on the day of ukrainian statehood. well, we are breaking the thread of our program a little now, but the topic is set, so they must exist so that in the next future years, including ukraine, and with it the whole of europe, feels safe from these crazy owners of nuclear weapons well, first of all, i also want to express my respect to mr. oleksiy

danilov for these words that were said yesterday in the interview and today they were heard on all information resources, i really agree that this is the first time in our e-e during the war when an official of this level so clearly formulates one of the goals of this war yes, we always take it for granted that the goal of ukraine in this war is the return of all territories, but this is not the only goal if we leave russia as it is great a moscow-centric imperial one, even if this war ends with our victory, the danger of the next war will remain from my point of view, and we really talked about this topic. i have two words. i also generally believe that by starting this war against ukraine, russia signed a death sentence for itself, the real result of this war will be the schedule it is obvious to russia. and you know, there is such a metaphor, i

can say, er, it belongs to er, my close second. unfortunately, the late igor markov, who recently left this world. he said that russia with from the very beginning, since the beginning of the muscovite empire, it was engaged in land grabbing, and he says that this is how russia collected these lands. so we, russia, should sort it out. it seems to me that this is a very correct metaphor, and this forum that took place in prague, i had to participate in it online like this because it is better not to deal with those exit permits, and i want to say that the forum in prague, which took place on july 22, 23, 24, he should have known me not only because there gathered representatives of almost 20 nations that are part of of the current russia, and these were serious people, the leaders of the kazan tatars, the leaders of the bashkot state of buryatia, the udmurts, the mordva

, komi, etc. of the anti-bolshevik bloc of peoples, and remember in which most, much more unfavorable circumstances, the people of bandera put forward this idea when the soviet union was at the peak of its power, and nevertheless it later led to its collapse of the soviet union. therefore, at this conference, it was clearly stated that the necessary condition that will start the mechanism of russia 's integration somewhere is ukraine's military victory in the war. liberation struggle , but there is also the other side of this coin, that the sooner these peoples start their struggle, the more help they will provide to ukraine and the struggle and future victory, how many states

will the russian federation break up, well, it is on the forum she said that there will be 34 states. well, i don't know, there will be 34 of these. i only believe that we must clearly stand on one principle, that the future territorial division of russia should take place on the principle of democratic self-determination of peoples and territories , and i emphasize the russian-speaking territories that are included now to the composition of russia, and in this case we can only say that it is inevitable, it is inevitable, what awaits russia, it is too big, too moscow-centric , it is too imperial, and this moscow-centricity of draining resources from all territories is a benefit moscow and later they were redistributed here sooner or later sooner or later as the military victories of ukraine are won without starting the mechanism of internal disintegration, i want to say we talked about it we did not we should be realistic in the west this idea is not accepted now it is not accepted not only in the old europe it is not accepted in the

united states of america, they are afraid of the spread of nuclear weapons, they are afraid that china will strengthen and seize siberia, which you have, and so on. they are afraid of new conflicts in central asia and on the north caucasus and again nato will not deal with them, friends, we have heard all these fears and i personally also heard this fear back in the distant 91st year, when on august 1, george was the senior president of the united states of america, he spoke before us as members of parliament and warned us against suicidal nationalism and the collapse of the soviet union, we listened to him, and after 24 days ukraine was declared independent, and three months after the referendum, the soviet union ceased to exist as a geopolitical reality, and i think that this process and this declaration, although most of the leaders of these national movements are in exile, it is clear, but they are quite capable of helping ukraine by starting the national liberation struggle and by acts of direct action, which they will be, they will probably decide for themselves, but for ukraine it will be a plus and

the last when we talk about geopolitical alliances , you know, there is such a situation, we have to look for different options on how to achieve the security of ukraine in the best way, and of course we understand that the expansion of nato and if ukraine were quickly accepted into nato is the best and the fastest way is definitely and unequivocally that we all stand on this, but we must also understand that this way may not be as fast as we want b - it may not be crowned with success not only because there is old europe i don't know if i am not mistaken in my point of view, after the victory of ukraine, it is hungary itself that can block any nato decision, and in the end it was nato that showed its strength in this war. and other options we have really already oleksiy vyacheslavovych said this. i don't think it's a big secret. this idea belongs to, well

, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, kuleba , expressed it for the first time. nato or as a way to nato or as a replacement for nato if we are not accepted into nato e.e. the international multilateral security union where great britain, the baltic countries, poland-ukraine , turkey and, in my opinion, israel and such an arc of security, where ukraine is the cornerstone, entered - the english cornerstone and this is what can be in addition, a donor, and maybe for certain ones, and here it’s just these anglo-saxon countries, plus we, the turks and israel, israel opposes the arab world, the turks have their interests in the turkic-speaking countries of central asia, and don’t forget that one of the peoples of china is also turkic-speaking, there are 10 million kuygurs and and ukraine, we are doomed, even after the victory

, to be on the guard of the remnants of the russian world so that it does not revive, so that this he the carrier and this revenge does not revive and already the army and the military-technical cooperation what is now between our countries are ukraine-turkey, we all know that. so now israel is turning around. everyone says that israel will not join any alliances, because you see, it has its own united states and it will always act in its own interests, but look at what russia is doing, it is now closing down, what is it doing the repatriation of the jews, well, a couple of more steps like that, another appearance of laurel, a trip to iran, which is a direct enemy of israel, and israel can itself come into our hands, and this arc of security is one of the versions that i think should be discussed. for example, i think that it will be possible sometime after some time, when ukraine turns the tide of the war in its favor, to convene an international conference under the similar name ukraine - two dots

expanded nato or new security alliances and it is repeated on this topic absolutely because even in the studio they are ready to give theirs, returning to maps to ukraine there. well, we understand that the map is so fanciful , but as for ukraine, it should go to ukraine. can be a buffer state that will have certain contractual relations with ukraine, and ukraine is an example. by the way, it can help to reformat all these newly established countries on the principles and bases on which we became successful, on the principle of democracy, trust, dignity, tolerance, military power, we are an example of reconstruction of the entire eurasian space, which arose on the site of present-day russia, became drozdov, well, it is probably symbolic that we are like that, the speakers themselves are guests on the day of statehood, the first day

of statehood of ukraine, which we celebrate during the war that we so, on this day we are talking about how the russian federation can become, more precisely, not to be this russian federation after our victory, i did not plan at all on this topic to speak honestly but since the topic has already gone like this, i will say my opinion, i really like also a genre of fairy tales, fables and legends, but unfortunately i live in a completely real world where i understand that as long as moscow- centricity is the main glue not only of russia, but of this surrounding russian space, which we call conditional-russian peace, until then we can to draw, of course, imagine a map of 30 republics, who has an enlarged view. then you can pour it out there, it will turn out 10, and it will actually be a very

imaginative conversation to some extent, because we must understand several points . represent their nationalities without the legitimate support of their people inside, because in russia i did not hear any from the russian movement, any separatist aspirations in a good sense of anyone and, unfortunately, this reality it is completely colonized, occupied, the whole great russia, which i don't know, it will itself, i don't know, cough blood and fight wagons, but it, this bear's carcass, will cover with itself one eighth of the dry land of the earth and it will not allow anyone to fish, that's why i i would say this and that, all the disintegration, well, this is a virtual expectation, this is a dream, even if

these are goals, but we have to put them aside for the future, when the poor, unhappy, pushed, russianized, nailed by moscow and pyramidism are not even peoples. ethnographic manifestations, you know, shamans , shamans, these clothes are worn once a year, somewhere there, on their national holidays. until they declare it from the outside, it cannot be inspired, unfortunately, and this is what all disintegration is based on. it is necessary to provoke internal separatism from russian and moscow separatism, it takes decades, it takes very serious and financial information, it should be a board of trustees, relatively speaking, of world disintegrators who have as their goal they will put this one as a goal. yesterday i had a

long and extensive interview with roman the immortal, where we also talked about the goals and the goal of this war in general geopolitically because we understand that it is not limited in terms of time, there are wars that last for 60-70 years and they are still the same israel has been going on for 75 years already, it will soon be 77, or how many years ago, and 45-46 years ago, in fact, these are remote visas, if on, then, now, the goal of this war is the ultimate goal is the political defeat of the kremlin, so the defeat of the kremlin after the defeat of the kremlin is on the agenda political, where will there be a capitulation, where will the capitulation be recorded publicly, only then will it be possible to

talk about the next steps of internal disintegration in the affected defeated territory, which will naturally be exposed to a great search for a critical mass of those peoples who will ever want to be independent, i have great doubts about the fact that this there is a critical mass, i believe that if it is not externally supported in exile, what the world public is doing now is simply at the level of a humanitarian idea, this topic is simply fueling it for now that is a very long way, so i would say, you know, it's a little bit, well, keep somewhere in your mind and remember one more thing until ukraine, and i actually want to say this on the day of statehood, because that's actually how i led to this until ukraine is a residual and inert part of the russian world and it didn’t come out of it even through

the war, i’m sorry, i have to say this, the disintegration of all russian also applies to this part of the russian world, catch my point as long as we are part of this space together with the caucasus, the urals, komi, ingria, altai and some of our little russians who still do not understand that there is a ukrainian state, ukrainian statehood there and so on, until then, this map will also continue to ukraine as a disintegration map of the russian world, so that this does not happen, we do not need to be in the russian measure, this is the purpose of this war. so you started it today's program from a beautiful, very well-read , beautifully written speech by a 38-year-old speechwriter, which with very good accents of the speaker is

declamatically arranged and voiced. ukrainian statehood is not a day of form, because even belarus has statehood, other nations have statehood, which, to be honest, do not claim to have statehood, it is decorative, some republics, statehood, and the actual content , and now for a beautiful speech about what we we must have our own ukrainian statehood and not just statehood, because we have had statehood for 30 years and we are on the ruins of its collapse. they wanted to make it ukrainian. to wear sensors with the contents of the concept of ukrainian statehood because for 30 years we did not have this adjective, we were just a noun, a beautiful

constant, everyone knew well that we have a state, they gave a trident, they gave an anthem, they gave a territory, they gave two seas, they gave some borders that were not yet demarcated, including today we gave a constitution with some kind of one language, but we understand that it is different. so, have your statehood as a decorative base, a territory for your life. for me, this is completely the opposite of me now on the day of ukrainian statehood - this is an emphasis on the adjective and the meaning of the ukrainian state, because simply having an attribute that can be a colony, as he said, someone's land, now as belarus is formally a state, informally up to a million, this is not enough, so for me the issue of statehood is already there is actually this challenge before the ukrainians finally let's do what is ukrainian because if it is not ukrainian then it does not

make any sense at all because this war is actually a war for statehood, a war for statehood the right to be yourself for your own cradle, it is not for nothing that we have two concepts today, july 28, statehood day, august 24, independence day, you catch the semantics of these two concepts, they are already different things, not always statehood and independence - this is the same thing . so that our statehood is truly ukrainian and independent, this is its own task. this is an advance for now, but what will happen later when there is a political defeat , if there is one. er, the skin of a killed dead bear for the time while he is still breathing there, we need to make our ukraine ukrainian so that the disintegrating things don't

touch us too because of the five-column all kinds of metastases of this entity that er constantly extrapolates its er imperial chauvinistic ideas to the outside, this is good wording to allocate the skin of an already killed jack bear because while he is not killed well, of course we can draw on the map, but we must finish it first yuliya vosenko, as far as i understand, you were on this forum there was a declaration to what extent do you feel the power of the declaration and the power and influence of those people who were at this forum and their capabilities actually returning to the issue of the forum i want to emphasize that this is not an issue of today and it is not an issue that started and became active and relevant since the full-scale attack of russia since the 15th year, this issue has been actively worked out by the foreign affairs committee, the committee's chairman was hanna hopko of the last term of the eighth convocation, and we can recall the moment when her office sent a map and

it's crazy and i want to emphasize to you now that the current representatives in the parliament removed this card from the office because they were probably afraid to leave it there. they didn't have the courage to leave it there. that's why this forum is being held today. it was held two days ago in prague and a month ago in may. in warsaw, it is already a little bit different reality, it is not just a map, but the possibility to hear making and accepting such declarations in order to at least externally influence those people who are there now as enslaved peoples, moreover, i want to remind about the resolution of the supreme council was adopted back in the 19th year on an appeal to the un and the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, the nato assembly and the national parliamentarians of the countries of the world regarding the condemnation of the violation of the rights of indigenous peoples in the russian federation and in the territories temporarily occupied by it in ukraine. this is also a lot of work. which had to be accepted, and at that time even

the ministry of foreign affairs did not support it because there were no public statements, precisely because of this i asked mr. danilov what kind of communication he currently has with the outside world regarding this issue, and that's why i wanted to draw this parallel so that you and i could understand and realize that russia is actually a big prison