well, there is nothing unexpected here, in fact, because innovative business, small and medium-sized business is a stimulus for progress and is actually a source of ukraine's future profits from the point of view of paying taxes and export revenue, because oligarchic business is both by its nature and by the logic of its receipt and in principle, large enterprises, giants, they are not so competitive, that is why the world economy actually depends on this type of business , innovative, small, medium, aside from business, but hmm, giants, factories, enterprises, they are very dependent on the surrounding circumstances, and we see it in the context of the covid crisis and now wars. therefore, all hope for small business, hope for innovative technologies, innovative areas of business. i think that these challenges will also benefit us in terms of the structure of our economy. you have a word and do you actually see such industries, for example, in volyn, which would be so? well, they could also become

such drivers of growth. even now during the war and certainly in the post-war years, ukraine noted the mobility of small and medium-sized businesses and the speed of adjustment to the new circumstances of our people, as far as they are simple, well, it is obvious that it is possible even in other countries of the world. they quickly reacted qualitatively and in fact we see that these are really new opportunities for them and no matter how strange it sounds, the war has become a challenge that many will take advantage of and make correspondingly greater advantages for it the competitiveness of our country as a whole, as a state that provides quality and whether it has its own intellectual potential here, of course, we cope with it, but with great pain

. a big field for ukraine will surely be the issue of agriculture and farming, the connection to fertilizers there and to the course and to the entire arrest and this is also an issue that should be put on the agenda today because we have seen how much agricultural producers are dependent on what is happening at the central level in the country, what opportunities are being produced for them, and whether we will be able to withstand this challenge is also a big question in the future, so it seems to me that we should not stop, just now we talked about the first wave of relocation now we can already see modernization as it adapts to new conditions. but at the same time, we must take into account that absolutely all areas, despite the war in ukraine, must be planned in advance so that we still provide them opportunities to work, because it is important for the economy of the country and for the people, and it is real. it is something that must

be dealt with quite seriously and systematically. well, thank you, actually, to taras . it seems that there are new jobs in lviv region at the moment, i don't think they forgot to ask about it, but it's probably important, it's also no no no no no no no no no and maybe the number of people who moved specifically to lviv region, nevertheless, nevertheless, in fact, it is also large the number of inmates now they will try to start their own business, which were specifically occupied by individuals, individuals, entrepreneurs. that is why the numbers are much higher, because each fop can create several additional jobs, for this, opportunities are needed not only in the trainings there, lviv region, volyn or western regions, for this , efforts are needed in each specific to the territorial community, a certain friendliness, a certain help and in some support mechanisms on the ground, and this together will make our economy stronger, to add what

taras said about what we are talking about programs, and here he was talking about his program, which is financed by usaid, we need to demand quick money from our international partners and donors, because this quick money gives those people a greater ability to find their way and create new jobs, this is a question, the money will definitely be used more effectively. i absolutely support this opinion. thank you very much for this conversation. taras havunka, a lawyer , the head of the lviv arreatory, was with us. yuliya lutsenko is staying for the next round of the conversation, but which will already be held with maria gurska. now a small block of important information, the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians, victories and losses, analysis and forecasts, politics and geopolitics , all this will be discussed by serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program, people who have information and shape

public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future right now, the main interesting thing in the program verdict serhiy rudenko from monday to thursday at 1:00 p.m. repeat at 9:30 p.m. mariupol until recently was an industrial center but just a wonderful city on the seashore and now the city is a martyr, a city that aches for the heart of every ukrainian, the russians wanted to capture mariupol 8 years ago, they destroyed the city, shelled peaceful neighborhoods, but all in vain, but how did mariupol survive in 2014-2015, a documentary by artem shevchenko mariupol, the city of the unconquered june 13 at 10:30 p.m. on espresso unconquered cities of

ukraine is cozy kherson the pearl of the protected territories of ukraine, the city played a significant role in the formation of statehood, it became the southern center of the ukrainian revival during the great terror , the nkvdists shot for nationalism almost 2000 places, and the kherson leadership of the oun, led by bohdan bandera, actively fought against the german invaders, because an angry kherson native will go bare-handed against the enemy column, but will not bow down to the occupier. kherson is unconquered, what is it? to the regional council and in this part we talk about this

every year at the initiative of the united states of america at the end of july there are days of commemoration and support of enslaved peoples in their struggle for independence and the second international forum of the free peoples of russia was held in prague the other day and ended. this is an extremely important event. there was a significant number of ukrainian politicians and diplomats, and such diplomats from all over the world took part in uniform. this year, which of the world and ukrainian stars of politics and diplomacy was present at this forum? well, the most important thing for us is, of course, when and where will the disintegration of russia begin, what are the conclusions of the delegates, you know i want to start with the fact that the ukrainian victory, and in the world, there is no doubt that it will become a window of opportunity for millions of people of enslaved peoples who are now on the territory of the russian federation, and we have already started, hmm, with you,

to monitor what is being discussed in the public dimension . this is not the first forum . the first forum was held in warsaw in may. this is the second forum that was held in prague, and the statements made by representatives of enslaved peoples clearly and concretely explained to the world that russia cannot exist and has never existed in any other form than this imperial principle of creation , which itself was created as an empire through conquest, then reborn there, er, transformed from tsarist russia into the soviet union, this did not change the meaning when transformation was needed and in the end, when now putin has nothing to offer the world except for some kind of rebirth of war and, er, the acquisition of these territories, the increase of his territories, it could work once, but it cannot work constantly and people started talking about the fact that they are ready to

get out of this format and declare that we are ready to talk about our independence and consider ukraine as a window of opportunity if i remind you about the processes that took place in ukraine in in this direction, since 2015, the verkhovna rada of the previous convocation worked on this issue, but it did not gain such publicity, a resolution was adopted even in the 19th year about the fact that we appeal to all parliamentarians of the world with the necessity the support of the indigenous peoples who are in the territory of the crimea, the occupied territories and the territory of the russian federation. actually, when we saw how the forum was held and the attention was focused on it, this already indicates that this is a signal to the world that, in fact, the process of the disintegration of russia has already started and it is obvious, er. i want

to emphasize that yesterday was danilov's statement as the secretary of the nsdc, and yesterday i had the opportunity during the broadcast to ask him a question, however, do the countries of the big seven support and er, because this is the first time that a public figure of this level has spoken on media platforms about the issue of the collapse of russia, and i would like to emphasize that ukrainian society may not have the same opinion, because i have heard many comments about the fact that we have not won the war yet. we are already interfering in the issue of support for the indigenous peoples of russia, but we must not forget that russia is in the format it is today after our victory. if it remains, it is simply a frozen issue . over time, everything will explode and again, it can to aim aggressive actions at democracy and the order we are choosing today, why uh

break away, the sooner we break away from russia, the sooner we do our own european integration homework, after we have received the status of a candidate for membership of the european union, we have at least seven tasks before us, in fact there are quite a few more, and part of them has already started to be implemented in ukraine if we talk, for example, about the adoption of the istanbul convention well, part remains in the works at the moment of the international community and civil society in ukraine let's talk about these in more detail, if we can include political technologist yuriy pryzhnyi in our conversation, i'm asking for a signal from our editors yes, it's yuriy podorozhnyi e p yuriyovych, can you hear us like that good day good day i hope you are safe e- er because er-er in part of ukraine er-er air alarms are sounding, we are releasing our er-er this studio from the shelter of mr. yury er-er

we are talking about ukraine's performance of homework in the context of our obtaining the status of candidate in members of the eu in the studio yulia vosenko how should we keep this status, how should we not lose it, what are our main european integration domestic tasks, let's remind, in particular, the adoption and implementation of legislation, the procedure of the day of judgment in the constitutional court, uh, this should happen of course in a transparent way, we will remind you that according to the recommendation of the venice commission, the judge of the constitutional court must be elected by a fair and transparent competition. well, yesterday the verkhovna rada appointed olga sovgyri, wrote to the judge of the constitutional court, we will remind you that it is the people's a deputy of ukraine from the monomajority. in your opinion, will this choice satisfy

our european partners ? attack in a broad plane , what do they want from us in the european union? when they talk about our joining this community, first of all, it is the rule of law, but when we talk about putin in the kremlin, there is no way to understand why today europe, the european union and the countries of the free democratic world are helping ukraine, well, the answer is one, they are fighting for values ​​and if putin cannot understand what it means that the introduction of sanctions is also a loss for the european economy, then for the european union today , values ​​are important, and values ​​are based in first of all, on verkhovyna law, and when we in

ukraine understand that law and law are the basis of our life, that in order for us to develop, that we enter into some alliances, that we are adequately perceived in the world, we have to build a system that meets the standards that exist today in the european union, so then we will be perceived as a country that is capable of being there, because the bonuses that were given to us as a candidate for membership of the european union in the first place they were all warned that no matter what, no matter the difficulties, no matter the war, we have to complete this homework. well, we are doing it, we are demonstrating to the world that it is possible to appoint judges of the constitutional court in this way the court with which there were a lot of problems with which there were so many difficulties where before the war we actually entered into a serious political crisis and we do not

allow ourselves to make decisions and elect a judge of the constitutional court in this way if we appoint key persons from above in the legal system so this means that the whole system will not work we have to demonstrate today our ability to comply with these democratic legal norms regarding this appointment eh i want to say that actually this is a huge resonance for society and the fact that we saw a huge number of comments about the fact that we are again starting to appoint our own, and i saw that according to the procedure , it was first necessary to complicate the mandate of a member of the verkhovna rada, and then to position oneself as a person who claims to be a judge of the constitutional court, and this also a violation of the law. actually, let's note that the constitution provides

that a judge of the constitutional court of ukraine cannot participate in political parties in any situation, have a representative mandate, and can to perform other paid work except scientific teaching or creative work, well, representatives of the majority say that olha savgyria has already started an application for a mandate and, accordingly, at the time of her entry into the mandate of a judge of the constitutional court, she will not have a mandate and party affiliation, and is this convincing to you ? an argument for me, this is not a convincing argument; moreover, i want everyone to realize that today ukraine is fighting for victory at the front, but we will not win if we cannot implement those reforms internally which we say, and when first of all we need to build a democratic society, then the law must be equal for all and at the same time show so defiantly that where it is necessary for our own, we will do absolutely everything, well, in the

future, this is a negative signal for our european and being, for example, in the congress of the council of europe, where i periodically represent ukraine, i repeatedly heard that a higher level of trust in ukraine is caused not by appointed positions , but by positions that were elected. on e-e levels from e-e representatives of the european union to e-e representatives in ukraine who were elected with the people, it is conducted on a higher level of trust because you see that even in matters of some aid to ukraine, the public sector and e control from the public sector always takes a rather small niche, well, and another key requirement of the european commission, which was extremely important for our western partners, is the appointment of the winner of the competition as head of the sap, let's remind you, oleksandr klymenko became him. and yesterday, finally

oleksandr klymenko was appointed the head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, but there are certain nuances, let's listen to yuri the traveler, yuri, well, actually, the atmosphere in which this appointment took place and the events that preceded it, namely... the change of the prosecutor general by the president and the verkhovna rada, did these processes take place in a legal manner, in your opinion, what risks do you see in the further work of the institution, and is the appointment of the chief of our western partners satisfactory? they will consider it a completed step on the way to our european integration. well, i will remind you that the competition was held two years ago and this is the winner of the competition. he waited for this appointment for 2 years. it seems to me that only a lazy person in the west did not remind ukraine in all instances starting from the

president and concluding there with the people's deputies that we need to finally appoint the head of the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, there were many rumors that this candidate is not suitable, that this candidate will not be appointed there and so on. so on. in the end, they made a people's deputy who was appointed prosecutor general today and who also applied at one time and took part in the competition for the post of anti-corruption prosecutor. well, how lost today is lost. i mean the prosecutor general and how the relationship between them will develop. it's hard for me to say, but i would like to emphasize that it is obvious that today the prosecutor general has political tasks in the area for which he will be responsible. well, let's see to what extent he will comply legislation, to what extent the principle of the

rule of law will apply and whether the prosecutor general and the head of the anti-corruption prosecutor's office will not immediately be in conflict, although it is necessary to look at lunch at both persons in these positions, how will they work ? thanks to yuriy for joining the broadcast. yuliya is cheerfully staying with us in the studio and, er, we will change the topic a little. i would like us to talk longer, but we can see that here air worries prevent us from working in according to the agreed timing, now we are adding to our conversation elena pavlenko, the president of the dixie group, vita. if you are in contact with us, please let us know that you can hear us . let's start with the actual appeal of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine to the government of the united states

of america regarding the provision of a gas lend-lease to ukraine for the heating season to pass stably and without risks for citizens. to your telegrams, what do you think about this gas landlist, about this cry for help from the government of ukraine, and whether a similar program is generally possible on the part of our american partners, while the whole of europe, all the partners of the usa and nato stand on the threshold of a global challenge with energy carriers and on the threshold of a gas embargo from the kremlin. i am asking ms. olena. right now, the whole of europe is trying to find alternative ways to obtain gas, except for russian gas, realizing that russia may at some point independently cut off its supply of energy carriers to europe and the supply of so-called

lg liquefied gas, which is supplied, including from the united states, is already a priority, the volumes of russian gas imports and its volumes of lg supplies have practically equaled, although even last year it seemed incredible and the united states remains one of the main partners for the european union, they supply gas and promise to continue supplying gas so that the eu countries prepare for winter. as far as i understand, the ukrainian government wants to appeal to the united states e or e after receiving additional funds for the purchase of gas, and then ukraine can buy gas not only well, not only from the united states or, for example, negotiate with norway or other countries or directly ask for some quota, some volume of e-e natural gas so that it was delivered, for example, through the polish terminals of liquefied

gas to ukraine to ukraine in order to accumulate this gas in underground storages, and i do not think that this is such a cry for help, i think that this is compared to the problems in which there are additional countries of the european of the union ukraine still has its own production, and it has now banned the export of its own gas abroad , gas is accumulating in its storage facilities, and that is why we have several sources to prepare for winter, and this is the gas forest - this is one of such sources, therefore, in principle, there are exactly the right amount of excess gas in the winter there will definitely not be, and let's hope that the american or other western partners will respond to the request of ukraine and ms. yulia, your verdict is very brief, we see how russia blackmails the whole world with energy carriers

and suffers here from these actions of the aggressor countries and ukraine and how to respond to this blackmail of the aggressor state, what tools to attract ukraine and the world, you know, in fact, it seems to me that this is once again a trap for the russian federation, which itself lost - lost because if you look at the statement of the minister of foreign affairs of germany, which on the whole the world announced that we and the partner countries will definitely not be divided due to gas shortages and we will stand together and this is a signal to the russian president that it gives us, er, thoughts about that, leads to thoughts about that that, in principle, europe, which is suffering now because we see how it affects the nuclear weapons of some european countries, is still ready to give in and tolerate its economic development in order to put russia in its place and the gas in their warehouses a huge amount and they have no other option but to burn it independently. i don't know what they

will do with it or whether they will warm it up with air. and how it will look in the future, as of today, no one knows yet, but what that the blackmail that they have been doing for years and putting a huge number of countries in such and such a position did not work this time, of course. for us, this is a problem. i am convinced that together we can solve it. thank you to our guests. i am sorry that i have to cut back a little. our topics are also ours today, olena pavlenko, the president of diksya groups, was also in touch with us, yuliya vosenko, candidate of legal sciences and head of the eu faction in the volyn regional council, was our live kost in the studio, we will come back to the news after several important informational messages from espresso, we hear that there is already an air strike in the lviv region, so let 's go to our main studio, stay with the express, we'll be back in a moment!

ukraine is simply in our people, in ukraine we have never had absolute freedom, we were always oppressed, and when from childhood, looking at our little children, who set up roadblocks, who collect funds for the landslide, that's exactly how he grew up, he grew up, he read history, he loved history is very strong, that is, he was a patriot since childhood he liked it and growing up you just know that even on the right principles and understanding that it can not be like that, that you have no right to do this, that we need to do it, we need to win

it back. at the beginning of the war 8 years ago, he immediately left and gave her a vase. that is, he was a young man who burned with the desire to win back his homeland, that is, this is the thirst for the freedom of his nation, that is, it always burned in him, that is, it was not just a desire, and i will go to war. i i'm going to do it, no, he's right there for the home, for the people , for the children, for the future, so that it's finally over, the hundred-year war and all this history to me from some young ordinary soldier, he grew up to a senior officer, ah, that is, he could already teach the younger ones to tell that how, by his own example, he went through this path from the bottom to the top, well, in all the battles, in all the possible cities there, and the main place of his work deployment was always mariupol for all these eight years. they always knew

that it would be because this is what stretched for 8 years well, it stretched to no end and there was no end, and of course there had to be an end and the end had to be what it was only bloody, that is, well, there is no other way this story with donbas would have ended in us because russia always wanted more land, always, well, it is political question well, and what? well, even an ordinary eleventh-grader who studies the history of ukraine will understand that the military will not end with this story. they understood all the more because they were there and in the whole zone and closer. and they saw the mood of others, that is, they always happened in of course, they understood , analyzed and studied in six months. they knew exactly what would happen. when they didn't know yet, but they knew what would happen . and that's all, that is, at the moment when it all started there, i remember in february saying that it would happen on the 21st or the

23rd yes, but there was already a clear confidence because it would happen, but it was only among those who know you or in this, that is, the wife, even some sisters there , something like that, they did not believe in my case, but they knew, they were preparing, they had been studying for years they prepared for it, they understood everything what will it be? sometimes they slept just 15 minutes a day. that is, constant battles, active constant battles , there was too much equipment in russia and she never let them rest, that is, one of them came, two more came and here they constantly had work they changed there, then they separated from each other, and even the ties between them were broken , uh, about the very beginning of this, like back then. it was difficult to find someone from relatives there, when the guys who are there in kharkiv, in kyiv, they can't get in touch with their find out where the other friend is because he is not there he answers and yes, my friend's brother died, you

found out only two weeks later, and she said to the guy that there was no contact, how to even find out what happened to him, and then already through the drone they found how to look . well, that's how it happened, how hard it was for them how long did they choose every piece of that mariupol? that is, it was there for several days. what he didn't write there might be more, maybe less. i remember there was such a big break that he didn't write , and when he wrote, the whole house probably heard it, and i wrote to him. that the whole house heard what he was saying he says you don't know how a small child is given a gift and she writes with joy he says and i'm giving you a gift as i thought and here we always had it until the end eh he said that your gift will come to me in two weeks just like that it was the day birth and i don't know how it happened