sharply eh or from the american vasilenk is translated as the principle of decembriz, that is, so that someone there approached decembrz and decembrz gave his needles so much that he would not even want to come closer here, there are real shifts and real susu that the germans supply us with howitzers on perspective and this is such a cool signal that the total rearmament of ukraine will take place. about disarmament according to nato standards and the very principle of ee-e- decebiz will work. and push back completely but nevertheless get off from taking part in the conflict anyway it will be all the same putin will not stop anyway in this sense of the mission and russia should be a world player but

a world player not according to civilized rules and according to the rules of the horde he will not stop not in for now, europe is afraid to destabilize russia and the arrest will achieve a real victory, but it is gradually coming . pavlo klimkin minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in the years 14-19 co-founder of the center for national stability and development we have a very short pause on the air for which we will return to analytics have an espresso good evening we are from ukraine vasyl winter's big broadcast my name is actually winter two hours of air time and my colleagues are with you until 21:00 for two

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due to very strange circumstances. that the russian side declares shelling from the ukrainian side, of course, and what do you guys think, but there is a lot of evidence that it was a planned terrorist attack, in fact, a demonstrative execution, what was it? what steps is the ukrainian state taking now to find out everything and bring the guilty to justice, we will talk about it and not only with oleksandra the butler , adviser to the plenipotentiary of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on human rights, congratulations to oleksandra, glory to ukraine, and also with us pavlo rozenko, vice president of the red cross of ukraine, we congratulate you, mr. pavla, i congratulate you . good afternoon. so, ms. oleksandru, we wanted to ask you about the steps that should be taken in the

situation with the fawn. people were tortured and then, so to speak, they began to confuse the tracks, we understand that considering some prisoners who are in a deer pen, the enemy can use something similar and we would like to include all available resources, it is said about the international community and so on in order to find out what happened there, what is happening there and how to get out of this situation, in order to return our people as soon as possible, it is necessary to start with the fact that the ukrainian state is making maximum efforts to gain access to this territory and it seems that this is extremely important because it is the only way that makes it possible to establish the circumstances and communicate with the victims, because in addition to those who died, there are also wounded and witnesses of this

terrible crime. therefore, first of all, ukrainian the state and we are an office authorized by the verkhovna rada on human rights, we are making efforts to obtain such access through the international committee of the red cross, about which a letter was already written, and we already have a reaction that the international red cross is working on such access. we also appealed directly to of moskalkova e.e. the human rights commissioner in russian in order to carry out e.e. such a visit, a joint visit to the territory is possible, but in order to pick up ukrainian bodies, identify and establish the circumstances were also yesterday, several such operational meetings took place, including you could see a joint statement of the armed forces of ukraine, the main directorate of intelligence and the verkhovna rada commissioner for human rights, not only about the

violations, but also about the alleged events that have taken place so far there are several such versions, including that such an explosion took place from the middle, and the fact that captured prisoners of war were moved to this very room a few days ago is disturbing, and before that there were several reports that ukraine is going to carry out such attacks on russian telegram channels meant that the russian federation was preparing for a provocation on the territory and actually this is the main line for the ukrainian authorities ms. oleksandra, i would like to clarify whether there is a chance in general so to speak , gain access to at least the bodies, as you rightly pointed out. indeed, one of the versions is that we can consider a deliberate provocation in order to leave traces. we remember how they murdered or

tortured the british, as we wrote the russians so that he would die there from chronic diseases and thank you khrystyna, so in the case of a british citizen he should not have been there at all he was not a prisoner of war he was a volunteer he was there as a civilian hostage. the russian federation, as a terrorist organization, held civilians as well. in the plan, therefore, we should share at least this status. the fact that he was in the hands of the russian federation was already there. an international crime and what happened to him in any case even if he died from

diseases is a war crime because he was not provided with uh medical care in full uh hmm but until today we had communication with relatives from the uh british embassy er, the circumstances are not fully known. thank you and pavlo rozhenko , vice president of the red cross ukraine . i will also remind you what is with us, mr. pavly, before i ask you my questions. i would like to note for our tv viewers that the red cross of ukraine and the international committee of the red cross are let's say that the organizations are distanced from each other and there is no direct subordination there except for the brand. in principle, as i understand it, these organizations have nothing in common, but the activities of the international committee of the red cross, if we are talking about the deer , should be considered in the same way. it seems just under the microscope, taking into account the fact that the international committee undertook to

monitor the safe temporary stay of our fighters in captivity and in the end we have a fawn i i understand that the russian federation is a terrorist that does not pay attention to any committees and organizations but nevertheless, sir, do you have your opinion on whether the international committee of the red cross has completed the necessary work, maybe the organization of the united nations in general, well , look first. thank you for the environment, that's all let's be honest, the red cross of ukraine and the international committee of the red cross are two different organizations. yes, we are all participants of the red cross movement, but we are really different organizational organizations. an independent ukrainian organization that works in accordance with ukrainian legislation and its own laws. we are neither a representative office, nor a branch, nor a structural subdivision of the city of the international committee of the

red cross. they have their representative office here in ukraine, but of course we buy with them, we try to find common points with them vision and definitely that we are in some kind of close communication contact, so i definitely cannot speak on behalf of the international committee of the red cross, but somewhere i can explain their logic with their activities, including the following regarding your phrase that the international committee of the red cross, by the way, i also saw it in joint statements and now i see on the internet , respectively, various representatives of the authorities that the international committee of the red cross and the un provided some guarantees to someone during these are operations with the azov sea. to be honest, for me. and if we take international law and

the geneva convention, what are the guarantees? this is a signed document between two parties, ukraine and russia, regarding the situation with nitrogen, where the rights and obligations of the parties are recorded, plus the introduction of the un and the international committee of the red cross, which guarantees something in the whole agreement, let's ask the question, do we have information about the fact that some kind of agreement was concluded and the international committee of the red cross and the un actually undertook what obligations and guarantees, but honestly i tell you that i have such information no, because i saw the grain agreement that was concluded between the ukrainian and the russian side, where the head of the un gutierrez

came to turkey in istanbul, the president of turkey came, there was a representative of the ukrainian side, there was a representative of the russian the parties signed the agreement, all of these agreements have been seen, where there is a clear record of what is being done, which party is correct, the people's committee of the red cross , if it did not guarantee well, i understand that i may not like this very definition, but i took the responsibility to be informed about what is happening with our prisoners of war, in what condition are they in and in what, i'm sorry , atmosphere in this captivity, i'm not saying that they took responsibility that these people will not die or they will not be tortured, but responsibility for awareness of them, this is what they declared to us, look, i'm not talking about what i like or what i don't like, i'm taking absolutely formal

things and giving you examples when really under the word guarantees, there was a list of specific things that the parties undertook and where we can track who i took this as an example of the grain agreement that was made public. communication of the international committee of the red cross to the families of e-e prisoners of war is provided, it is not made public, communication is going on with the families of prisoners of war, because this information is confidential and e cannot be made public according to the relevant, including international

conventions, such work is really being carried out, i immediately warn that a - and it has never been public and it will never be, because before this point of view. yes, i hope that the international committee of the red cross does what it does for itself, we hope authority is that he, by the way, we hope for that. i would like to clarify with ms. dvoretska. yes, we understand that the so-called, we understand that these are the very names of gangs that hold part of the occupied territories, well, in any case , the jurisdiction of the lpr and the dpr provides for execution and they now they are hinting at the prospects of public suffering from the other side. well, the feeling does not leave that this is some kind of surrealism, it is just insurance. are there any proper instruments of the international community in ukraine in order to stop such

the prospects are terrible, but i would like to respond first to the past remark by saying that it is not necessary to politicize some processes because sometimes participation in the red russia of the red cross does not separate from the past ex. this is how i understand careers political in order to criticize, in fact , the problem is that the russian federation does not fulfill the obligations it has assumed, this also applied to the minsk agreements of the budapest memorandum, this applies to the engineering conventions that apply to it and, unfortunately, to it is a great pity that not all relatives know the confirmation of location and not all relatives received confirmation of the capture of people through the central agency of e-e search through the international committee of the red cross . to invite

people or contact the national information center by short number 1648 in order to find out about the fate of their relatives who got into captured or missing, if there is such information, or contact the united center at 37 spayskaya, which is located in the city of kyiv, they can also provide such information. but it is really possible to get some parts of such information about that, all these actions can be performed only if the parties fulfill their obligations, including the international obligations that they have undertaken , we understand that there is no dnr and lnr this there are proxy formations of the russian federation that are obtained only at the expense of russian armed aggression, there are no people of donbass, there is no

donetsk or luhansk republic, therefore everything that happens there is under the control of the kremlin, that is why we can say yes, they lifted the moratorium on the death of a turner, they have already given such sentences to the british and- and to the two people who joined the foreign legion, as well as the ukrainian servicemen who were involved in the defense of mariupol, at the moment we do not know how they will act, but the international community can respond at the moment by increasing security for ukraine and providing it with all the necessary support. we also address ms. butler oleksandra dvoretska, advisor to the verkhovna rada commissioner for human rights and pavlo rozenko, vice president of the red cross ukraine, thank you for your work and good luck to you and strength, the main performance. we continue this topic and for now we will discuss it with yulia, a

paramedic who recently freed herself from russian captivity. glory to the heroes and this conversation will also be joined by ihor kozlovskyi, a ukrainian scientist, a religious scholar, a candidate of historical sciences, a writer, at one time also a prisoner of the kremlin mr. igor, we congratulate you glory to ukraine, so let's immediately clarify what and what do you think happened in the reindeer herd dear ms. yuliya i yes, i think that with the gesture of sorry on the word they killed several hares in addition to our captured er-er precious azov citizens, this is the first time they showed the whole world that they er-er how they treat international rules and conventions and that they are not think er keep the words they give themselves

and secondly, i suspect that they er covered up their crimes in this way i think they brought the boys to a state where they could no longer be exchanged just physically it would be too obvious that er what kind of abuse, what uh, and in what terrible conditions were they kept, it is said that they could have been tortured simply well, this is like one of the options, god forbid, let all the others, at least at least the others remain alive and whole, mr. igor if you consider the fawn, what about you thought happened there and what maybe the russian federation wanted to hide there , i don’t know traces of torture, abuse of military prisoners, some war crimes and other what it could be. well, you and i know that russia cannot be

trusted unequivocally and this is confirmed by history and modern events also confirm everything that one way or another we we agree with russia into one, it actually turns into another problem for us, it is clear that the concentration camp they created in olenivka is part of their systemic repression, the systemic repression they direct not as prisoners of war as well as the civilian population of the occupied territories, and torture is a normal work for them. this is absolutely normal work and they actually perform it without fail and everyone who somehow gets to them goes through this torture and there was a large number of people those who were exhausted were indeed already wounded and,

despite this, it is clear that they tortured, and i think that i also disagree with the fact that it was an attempt to cover up these crimes, war crimes, terrible crimes against humanity against people who are actually captives and should be protected by international laws. but they do not fulfill any laws. as an internationalist, i would like to clarify the problems with the deer. maybe you have some additional information, mr. kozlovsky. so what is really happening there ? that the fate of the defenders of mariupol, as far as we understand, is also now tied to their stay in the deer park. so, we do not have a sufficient level of information, we can only operate on certain rumors, rumors ms. paevska i can't do anything, when i was later transferred to the pre-trial detention center

where i was in the donetsk pre -trial detention center, they told me terrible things, but this, uh, well, i wouldn't want to voice it because it could be a broken phone, so that i don't lie, i can say, uh, what exactly i won't give any information, but i will say that the conditions of detention are harsh, the treatment is simply beyond the limits of human perception and riding , and in general, there are three detentions, and it's terrible . there are actually yaki in your opinion, the representatives of the international christ in

such camps is possible all this time. i was in captivity for three months and two days . not once was any international or ukrainian organization present, and not once was there any institution that could influence to the fate of the prisoners of war, they were not allowed to enter the territory of the donetsk pre-trial detention center. representatives of the ministry of defense of the russian federation, the federal security service and others to me about the issue of the light collaboration forces, of

course they know how it is that the russian authorities stand above them mr. igor, i will have a question for you and we will conclude now with this topic and one of the versions of why the wagnerites succeeded to this terrorist act, the people of volyn were not only mocking our prisoners of war, but also that some representatives of the ministry of defense of the russian federation were to visit these colonies and to actually check how well the money allocated to similar institutions where our prisoners of war are kept is being spent and utilized. well, taking into account the fact that this money could traditionally be dismantled and stolen for the russian federation, then destroying even these traces would actually be a very convenient story, as you see it is it possible? yes, it is possible. i am also

considering this version because, er, local collaborators and these wagnerites use the war for their enrichment, for embezzlement, and it is clear that the people who live there in terrible conditions suitable for in order to keep them, they are practically hostages of these crimes and use them, including in order that, as for the arab power, the wagnerites are criminals, they are criminals who really need to be prosecuted according to current international legislation, no. and i think that this version has the right to exist, in your opinion, what could ms. paevska's enemies hide, i.e. if they really did not allow representatives of the red cross there, if they generally completely control the territory, then

why could they undertake the destruction, i.e. as far as i understand, this does not involve, well, i don't know that there was an epidemic of some kind of disease, that is, it is still about torture and the physical destruction of people, we can imagine anything that could have happened from these people, i don't know, to be honest, but the most common and the very first idea that they were simply hiding the consequences of torture. i already voiced it, and of course, why not if they just steal jewelry from women and do not give it to them? well, tell me why, after kalmyk with a knife, everything becomes real, as far as i understand, unfortunately and you are a war of destruction the nation of the ukrainian people, how, how, the idea

of ​​existence in general, they can and will kill for anything, i don’t think that they are capable of feeling any kind of feeling. fawns a-and there e-e at the moment there are no less than five pregnant women at various stages of e-e pregnancy about the exchange of them constantly our e-e guys who are engaged in the exchange, i remember, submit lists, but they are constantly pushed further and further further maybe they will also put a lot of pressure on us such a cool way to put pressure on society when a pregnant woman is taken, she is absolutely a doctor and

she is simply hiding and it is simply impossible to exchange, it is simply impossible ms. yuliya please tell me, returning to the topic of that terrifying video from halma, what kind of knife, in fact, many of the military said sasha, dear ukrainians, we are not wanted to upset you, but this is a trending story and you have to understand that in war this kind of thing happens just now it got into the information space er yulia do you have information on how widespread this trend is in general and is this case unique? i have come across this before, er, i did not see it with my own eyes, er, but there are testimonies of people whom i trust. it happened before. thank god, it is not very common and did not gain such publicity, but