50 years, 50 years, despite the fact that they have it in the safe, you know it, mr. vasyl, everything is fine, and the general secretary of the central committee of the party just had a document. how did they do all this? it’s not that there was something and it was necessary to do something on the ground, they just had a document. signed by stalin's comrade and they passed it from one general secretary to another stalin to khrushchev khrushchev to brezhnei brezhnev to andropovy chernenko chernenko to gorbachev and everyone hid it and said that it was the nazis who destroyed the polish officers and it was them they were well, this is very similar to the story, so you say, mr. vasyl, what is needed on the spot. i am sure that on this broadcast of putin there is clearly a document and signed by him for the destruction of these people because they are russians and it was according to soviet practice. well, you know that what is the state security committee better than me? everything is documented. nothing is done without documents. well, it’s true. so we ’ll see it one day. it’s similar to those actions, including the carols,

that were carried out by the central committee of the ogpu, the mrb, the kgb, and now the fsb. messages from the defenders of mariupol there were something like two thousand in captivity in the russians, and it remains to be seen what happens next with these captives, mr. vasyl, with our wounded, including those from the deer park. who and in what way can now influence their return? we remember that you took responsibility for this track ukrainian intelligence under the protection of the united nations european committee i apologize to the international red cross and these organizations all took responsibility when they guaranteed the defenders of mariupol that they would remain alive and that

they would not be skinned alive during the period when the issue of the exit of our heroes from the azovstal plant was being resolved, i then said on air that this issue is very complex, multifaceted, and there is a great risk and threat in that russia does not keep its words, as always, it will try to use this contingent of prisoners of war in its interests by recruiting them and torturing them inclining to provide ukraine and ukrainian military materials and everything else in order to gain advantages in the informational and psychological war against ukraine. well, unfortunately, it is so it turns out that regarding the further fate of our heroes , it is absolutely necessary to connect as many

international institutions as possible to resolve the issue , regardless of any problems, and at the same time, the council of ministers. our partners to the completion of all kinds of sanctions against the russian federation and finally and finally the recognition of russia by the united states of america as a terrorist state or at least a state the senate is a sponsor of terrorism - this was already done by the house of representatives in turn, and despite the statement of plimpin that it is not in time yet, given the need for some contacts, after all, others after we know that if the house of representatives takes

the same position as the senate, the state department is nowhere to be found will be followed by the states of america connected by the letter a, our other partners must follow in order to surround this terrorist state in such a way that it realizes what is happening, that we succeed in expelling them from our territory and finally encourage the collapse of putin's terrorist regime and the revival of a specially democratic country on this territory that will profess humanistic and democratic values ​​is possible. vasyl bohdan, lieutenant general, a veteran of the foreign intelligence of ukraine, was known on the connection, was our guest. thank you and e-e for the artist will be our next topic, the next guest, but before that, vitaliy, i think that we will

partially devote the second part of our program to the events in the deer park , and this is because it just happened there last night days, it shocked the whole country, and it is simply an unprecedented act of genocide, terrorism on the part of russia, what do you think about the purpose of these atrocities, because we asked mr. bohdan, and we wanted to hear your opinion. you want to ask me if i'm shocked, i'm not shocked, they do n't expect anything else from the russians, they're behaving like this for a long time . in principle, this is the worst thing that could come to power there, but if the party apparatus remained in power there or even bandits were in power in its pure form, there are some oligarchs there, you know, like in

some latin american countries, then it was not so terrible, but you imagine that there is some kind of office which, in principle, consists of professional executioners who make a career out of carrying out the orders of the higher authorities in jesus, the equipment to destroy, kill, slaughter, squeeze everything possible out of a person using the most terrible mechanisms, they are for it they receive stars on their epaulettes, ration money, then in honor of the house of the villa, and so on, and suddenly these people themselves, what is the essence of the year 91, by and large, from what happened after it, they themselves come to power, they do not need anyone else, that is, they are all that there was a superstructure, they are destroyed and remain alone with the government in the end, completely as it was already in 2000, when boris yeltsin is the last worker, leader at the head of the soviet russian federation, and handed over power to the chekist vladimir putin, this is what

they dreamed, always, all the time, they tried to get this power of stalin's times, full of what they know how to do. please tell me if you have been taught all your life, do you have such an education? well, those people who make some real decisions there have putin, patrushev, bortnikov, and cossack, no i will mention all of them now. these are people who gather among themselves. they learned to kill. this is their higher education. they worked. putin proudly once said that he crawled on his belly all over moscow. this is what he did when he was getting an education and at the institute of anthropology. underground passages of the sea, you know moscow , a journalist asked him there what his intervals are. he is from st. petersburg. well, in st. petersburg, he knows about

turnstiles there, where he is significant. i knew the underground passages because they forced the operative to crawl like this one. well, in order to somehow hide there, dress up someone, listen to someone , get out in the underground passage. a journalist was already killed in an underground passage in prague in recent times. she was a well-known journalist who wrote quite harsh things about the russian government. at that time, she was killed in an underground passage. this is a very good place . the moment when you are preparing a crime, this is a good city for murder, that's why they learn in the underpasses , i always say that you still have to cross the street in certain places where they are on the ground yes of course and here are these people with such a mentality with the mentality of a criminal in principle, they come to power, well, listen, stalin created such a regime because

he was in exile there. it was a penal servitude, as they called siberia. it is also a person who educates to a certain extent. you know when there was a great legend about it. stalin is his best friend, a future member of the poli bureau, what kind of party will interest him from this trukhan region? another one, another person was eaten if a person who is no longer on the sails eats some third prisoner there, then becomes the head of the state. well, how does she behave, a cannibal in the literal sense of the word, well, that's just an anecdote, it's a real story, if only you won't pass. well, putin is 100 from the people. well, of course, he didn't run away, but the instincts are the

cannibals, that's why when you say that there are beautiful people, there are children. well, of course, this is a metaphor, but it is very close to the history of the whole of russia and the bolshevik party and it seems that the kgb wrote it the artist oleksandr of this age what will happen next, to which next bottom of horror will russia slide, will they demonstrate cannibalism, they demonstrate it during all the last pages that the russian service has no bottom, we can mention kitin and what concerns the poles, but we can mention our baturin well, of course it is it was just earlier, then in the middle ages there were many such things. it would seem that katinsi was already in the 20th century , what is the next guest, eh, we are in touch with oleksandr bogomolov, director of the national institute of strategic studies, congratulations, sir oleksandr, i welcome the topic of our e-e defenders. we will continue in the next part, now we will

talk about other top topics of the week, namely, hmm, how is the istanbul grain agreement implemented and whether to expect a shift with the launch of grain corridors well, actually, let's start with the fact that these corridors they should start working hour by hour, we are constantly waiting for news. but maybe they will be, well, they will be published a little later, when the first ships will go directly to their destinations, we know that the day before, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi visited odesa and reported that the work on the restoration of ukrainian exports has begun and by the end of this week from odesa and chornomorsk they plan to send dry cargo, which is already being prepared, and the ship that loaded 17 of them until february 24 and almost 600,000 tons of grain on the shelves, but next

week to the export of expert grain will also be involved in sports southern ukrainian ports did not work for half a year due to blockade by the russians by the implementation of the istanbul agreements, russia should respect the agreement, i would write to my twitter the ambassador of britain in ukraine, we are linda simmons what do you expect , oleksandr, what are your forecasts? what is missing in our discussion , including in that report, your t-shirts, now you voiced some details, why ukraine is so concerned about this issue. a few figures so that it is clear what place is occupied by

grain, the export of grain and why it is so important. it is not for the whole world . there are different positions, i had different expert opinions , including in our institute, a discussion on this issue took place at one time . for example, i am most pleased with this position before the beginning of this speech. and from where, look, in ukraine, in exports, grains in general occupy 18, according to the latest data, only for the first half of the 22nd year, when of course, the economy has fallen very much, ukrainian e-e occupies 18, 6%. and compared to metal products and ferrous ferrous metal products,

16.5% of them. fats evalid 12 and 1%. i.e. now it is all together half of the exports for er the time that has passed this year er these products make up to why is it so important in principle because you see, if you take uh-uh ukraine, peace for the time being, together , metal and agricultural products made up three-two-thirds of ukrainian exports, the ukrainian economy is export-oriented to a large extent, and this plays into exports and the restoration of these exports, which means that the economy will work as if the hope is because in this way we will restart the ukrainian economy, and the ukrainian economy is now very much dependent on external circumstances, which are, to put it mildly, favorable. that is, it is very important that the economy

the country lived, and in order for goods and resources to circulate, exports play a very important role , that is, when we restart or try with all our efforts, with the support of powerful partners, to restart exports. auxiliary various enterprises, in general, the viability of our economy is very strongly connected with this sector, and at the same time we must also keep in mind that the post office is given all this because during the war, ukraine lost 25% of arable land. and this is as of june, since then, probably more. and 20% of ukrainian elevators have been destroyed - this is not taking into account the latest trading data concerning the kherson dnipropetrovsk and zaporozhye regions. and

russia definitely stole 500,000 tons of grain. since then, it continues to steal it. and we must also pay attention to the recognized risks the industries that are affected by the ukrainian ferment are given at a very high price for us, we know about the bombing of the odesa corps that took place just now, that is, to your question you can say yes yes to a great extent now a-a all this the whole story depends on the parties who signed this agreement in a very complicated way and on what is called the guarantee of the agreement. accordingly, a very big question mark hangs over this, of course, because in the end, as we see, russia's behavior is , to put it mildly, unpredictable, and how russia will play it is not known how much ukraine can expect from the export of this grain. also, if it were

a time of peace, we could count on a billion dollars every month. now it is not about this. it will be less. it is very sad because world prices have also fallen. by the way, they fell, including under the influence of the agreement, because looking at the agreement, traders are now predicting stabilization of the market, which has risen. the price was very high between not so long ago, very optimistic for ukraine, the price was due to the fact that grain prices in the world rose very much, that is, there is a lot here various things are economic, but the main risk remains in our lives on every occasion russia, which in connection with the events in the deer park with the mass murder of ukrainian prisoners of azov by the russians, turned to of un secretary general antonio buterisha

, urging him to suspend the grain agreement, sports says i am disappointed by the lack of active un activity to stabilize the situation in ukraine. we have just seen what happened to the failed agreement regarding ukrainian fighters whose evacuation was guaranteed by the united nations i am asking you to deploy un ships in the black sea to provide humanitarian corridors, otherwise ukraine will be at high risk caused by this agreement, what do you think about this statement and its effect i thought a lot about miss spartz and i don't think it's worth quoting her every time, at least here. and she is such a strange person. to be honest, she clearly voices her thoughts all the time, including now, as if guided for some ukrainian or patriotic reasons, and she does something that is probably not useful for ukraine again and

again well, let's try to figure out what risks she can talk about with the parties, what risks she might have in mind, among other things, i apologize nevertheless, i want to finish the question from the party of the american congresswoman, who, among other things , did a lot for ukraine to receive e-e help in the form of weapons for the age of the aggressor . because she is a person of ukrainian origin , but everything she did to support all these votes. she just voted along with many others. she didn't do anything personally. i love people who have really done a lot for the promotion of all those who wrote relevant bills and so on, mr. oleksandr, she does not

belong to their number, mr. oleksandr, i want to tell you that even if i agree with your opinion that president biden invited her only because she is an american of ukrainian origin, then she is the first ukrainian american the origin of which became a compressman in museums of homeo- american ukrainians, special memorial rooms are allocated to people who were members of state legislatures, to my great regret the ukrainian diaspora of the united states is only now occupying this position in american politics and public life, which other diasporas have long held. correspondence on this matter with many people can show that i am sincere or happy about it. but now, looking at a person who has a minimum of experience in politics and tries to make loud statements every time, i am honestly very skeptical about her alexander adopted experience in politics, but he became

the president of the united states and can become the president of the united states again . we will completely forget the truth, do you sincerely believe that we russians will give us the opportunity to export this grain, i uh, i sincerely do not think that they will help us in anything, this is a huge risk. of course, this whole deal is a huge market. it depends on many different levers of influence on russia and not ours. that is, we can influence only in the kinetic plane, now on the wedding, all we can do with russia is a good offensive in the southern direction and, for a start , on others as well, this is all that depends on us , the rest of the issues depend on other countries of our partners, which are involved in this, the united states

, even turkey itself, which is involved in this with many other countries, will they be able to settle this issue? russia has been trying to play with this issue for a long time, it has been trying from many different reasons, it is simultaneously playing in several different directions, it is also economically interested in driving ukraine out of many markets, we compete with them on the african market, we had, well, we could say that there was nothing sadder, we were leaving ukraine with russia in many positions, uh, africa is very important for our exports over in the export of many other countries of the middle east, for example, arab countries, there are such places, uh, we far exceed the russian component in their imports of grain and agricultural products, even in china, which are considered to be the key partners of russia now, ukraine has a much better share there, very much , in fact, very noticeable, and russia in several positions is simply ridiculous, in part, that is, russia is even

economically interested in robbing us, and in this, too, and politically speaking, and it is terribly dangerous in this regard a deal with russia is a deal with the devil to be honest but it didn't really work she's not very powerful in many other ways one can hope i think over time we'll see if this process has gone, i don’t give very high percentages, but i tried to tell you that ukraine is doing all this for a reason, it is doing it for the sake of its vital interest. because we need a living economy for the same war in order for there to be many people as well. thank you very much for a coffee conversation oleksandr bogomolov the director of the national institute of strategic studies was our guest, and we are moving on right now.

contact us now. the united states of america and france, so something that was not expected happened after all, so the minister of foreign affairs of russia spoke with the secretary of state of the united states also on the initiative of the public sector and the reason for the exchange of prisoners, however, it turned out that they were talking about ukraine why, in principle , in your opinion, the state department decided to get in touch with lavrov, although it was previously emphasized several times that there will be no high- level vkontakte between russia and the united states until the end of at least such large-scale hostilities what has changed on the territory of ukraine. to be honest, this conversation and the agreement on the conversation as it happened gives me, well, a minimal kind

of double impression, as it is clear to me that russia of this conversation and the fact that the conversation was on the initiative of the american side received the maximum. and as expected the conversation on the practical level ended in nothing, and russia put forward a demand that was absolutely unacceptable. they suffered and it was clear to the american side, plus lavrov was able to ukraine, why did the administration do it, we will frankly, this is probably a blinkin's decision, and it is difficult for the us president's administration to say. and i would still consider it in the context of the fact that the united states and our western partners still haven't decided yet what the

victory of ukraine means and what does the defeat of the united states mean and the obvious result of russia will not address russia in this conversation is the erosion of russia's isolation on the international arena and in addition to lavrov's visit to africa and putin's meeting with the erdegat and the iranian management, both diplomats were at the meeting of the twenty-somethings. so they could talk face to face. the state secretary did not want to talk to the minister of foreign affairs, they did not even come to the dinner. all the foreign ministers of the group of seven were there. when lavrov was there, indonesia was at the ball, and how long has it been, two, two weeks, well, luckily and they

talk through online communication, well, this is strange for me, i can put forward such a thing, i met when i was reading american sources on biden, now there is a strong enough pressure to ensure that he took concrete measures to liberate those americans who are imprisoned in the united states, well , he made a mistake in russia and, accordingly, it is. i think there was also an internal political factor, especially considering the insignificant indicators and positive ratings before the elections . in november of this year, tell mr. olezhe, in principle, if the house of representatives after the senate recognizes russia as a state of sponsors, will this affect the decision of the state department or not? i think

it will, but you understand the procedure there. let's say that the senate and the house of representatives, well, they say that the resolution of the house of representatives is tougher, and it imperatively requires the recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism, but still the decision to recognize a country as a sport tourism is a state department and let's say it is difficult enough to influence it from the side of the legislative branch of the government. well, why don't blintin and the presidential administration and biden and sullivan want to do this? i think, again, going back to the fact that they never determined for themselves, what will ultimately be the defeat of russia and, accordingly, the victory of ukraine, they still leave

some leeway for the introduction of diplomatic negotiations with russia, although, again, it is not clear what to agree on, if you look carefully at the statements of high-ranking us officials, they themselves understand that in fact there is nothing to talk about, there is no subject, but tell me what president emmanuel macron said that he is against recognizing russia as a terrorist state, this affects the line of the us administration. maybe it does not want to quarrel with the european partner is possible, this influence is significant, it is obvious that if you recognize russia as a sponsor of terrorism, then this will require even tougher sanctions and, most importantly, sanctions that will affect the partners of the united states and its allies. and

this is obvious no, i don’t want to. tell me, do you think that europe’s approach to russia is changing, in principle, that it is becoming more competent? and what am i asking ? now, one of the closest advisers to president macron is your ambassador isabelle dupont, who was the ambassador in kyiv when you were sent in paris, well, you remember her well, and i also remember her well, she is a competent person in matters of the soviet space, in the 19th year, as far as i remember, he was sent to cyprus from ukraine to the kip well , now he was returned directly to the elysée the palace and i begin to think that i can still change on my own