what we very often hear from the airwaves is, you know , like cotton candy, which well, actually, it is very different from what is in reality in today's life, even if we take this situation with the azo-azov people. we all perfectly understood that in principle, there were few options to save the lives of our heroes who defended azov , and at that moment i did not have enough of an honest conversation from such an authority that clearly said that yes, this is the only option. we are forced to go for it and it is our responsibility, including the authorities for that's it such a scenario, the development of events, we were told about something a little different well, here we are handing it over to someone there, we have taken on the guarantees of the un and the international committee of the red cross here, we are protected everything will be fine, everything

will be in order someday we will exchange these people, but we are playing tricksters, aren't we we are playing with russia and we should have foreseen such a review of the development of situations already now and we should have spoken honestly, but now it is hidden that in principle, if we speak honestly that neither the un, nor the international committee of the red cross, there are any guarantees for ourselves we did not take and we did not see any document where those organizations would guarantee something or undertake something in matters of the protection of prisoners of war of our azov citizens, no interstate documents, as we saw, in particular on grain in the future, signed by russia on the part of ukraine and the international neutral mediators of the same united nations don't have those documents either, and now it's

a shock for the whole society, how is this so, or as if there were some guarantees somewhere? someone promised us something and suddenly they killed more than fifty of our heroes and even more than a hundred were maimed. how could this happen, and that's why i say once again that i don't have enough of such a frank dialogue about the fact that this is a war. yes, we have an aggressor state with which it is impossible to negotiate very often. but should we negotiate? no, well let 's put it this way, no one gives a guarantee for this. and in my opinion, it's time for everyone to grow up. i also thank the authorities and society, mr. pavlo. i will remind you that from the president of the red cross of ukraine, the former minister of social policy of ukraine, pavlo rozenko was on our broadcast. thank you for these thoughts and information, and now we will move on to a conversation about what is happening at the front. we are in touch with a colonel

of the security service of ukraine, a reserve expert, military control for such mykhailo prytuli. congratulations, mr. mykhailo. i congratulate you. well, let's try to - first, let's talk about what the general operational situation is in the east and the south today. what is happening, why are the russian troops regrouping, the general trend is that russia received, let's say, an unexpected blow to its warehouses according to their ammunition according to their reserves which they have been preparing for quite a long time for an attack on ukraine and to this day they can not continue the offensive in any way and without this, the time has come, so to speak, for them to make some other decisions, they cannot advance but and they cannot retreat in the same way, they cannot retreat for

political reasons, because this is a military-political defeat and the death of putin, and they cannot advance because they have no ammunition, no forces, no means, accordingly, they are forced now somehow to regroup and change their tactics, the only resource left now in russia is human resources, there are no tanks, there are no high-precision weapons, there are not enough missiles, and they have time to invent something. well, what can they invent in such a case, the only thing is to gather a large number of ivan fools and to throw them into battle against the armed forces of ukraine, this is what caused their regrouping, so to speak, the fact that they are now doing maneuvers where they are gathering people in the drylands, as they say i throw those who are the meat grinder of this war. and tell me, in principle, what do you think when we talk about this

human resource, how much of it is enough, why, in principle, the russians do not think about general mobilization, because its announcement would not have any effect on the state of affairs in russian society, people are already used to the fact that everything is adapted to them from the mountain and it is unlikely that this general mobilization reduced the popularity of russia in vladimir putin's russia at a time when he is waging a war that many russians consider absolutely correct from the point of view of occupying our territory, it is our big mistake when we consider them to be the same people as us. they are not like that. well, they are not like that at all. they don't have the same moral imperatives as we do. they don't have ethics. they don't have any morality. we have them and they act differently, but the tsar said yes , it is necessary, they do this, this is the way it is, why it is necessary , it is not discussed, why it is not discussed, it is forbidden to

discuss. well, any discussion is a prison , it is the influence and feet of the agents, you and i now not just people we are now with you innogents for them if if any of them watch espresso tv, then they must, according to the laws of the russian federation, write a report to the fsb about what they watched in italy portnikova, everything went on, of course, the curtain came down and for them now, well, there is no urban one there, that’s how it should be quiet the mobilization went, mine went by the way, mr. mykhailo, you are so ironic, and i cannot invite, let’s say, for my programs on radio liberty, many russian experts with whom i have been working for the 10th anniversary, if they are not declared and not agents because they they are afraid that if they take part in my programs, that is, they will also be energy workers vitaliy

, it is still very simple, in fact, in order not to violate the law, they communicated with the fsb once, i communicated with vitaliy portnikov many times under duress, let them work it out well, what should vitaly portnikov do, he is agent mykhailo prytula and inna agent all the way forward we are citizens of ukraine with you we are citizens of ukraine and non-agents can only be citizens of the russian federation no no no no no no this is inno agent is any person who is under the influence of a foreign state this is us under the influence of a foreign state, under the influence of a ukrainian propagandist, or legally, only russians can be declared against us, sanctions can be imposed against me, there are no sanctions from the russian federation against you, i congratulate you, this is a great honor, in fact, but i’m just telling you how it looks in russian my colleagues citizens of russia,

they announce the price as agents or in person, or there are different organizations there, i don’t know, such as radio svoboda, as the tv channel present time, as the rain tv channel, they are innocents, if they they receive e-e financing abroad. do you know what financing abroad is? if you are a citizen of russia and let’s say some person is on some resource there, patriot or youtube, where are you going to get money and she is a citizen of canada or the united states, you are already an alien and that’s it. that's enough . let's let the russians send money to them. the money will be used. it's a good idea . you calculated the responsibilities. you were sent there. you were not in the soviet union. they will divide and vote for those who will be considered necessary. and all the others will be to receive money from us paypallic also to buy villas in soligorsk with this money well, they filled enough to be enough, but not mostly, but in general, it reminds me of the times when people were declared

enemies of the people in our country, a very similar invagen, er, there were people there, agent of the japanese intelligence, something else, and for that they were shot, well, back in the days in russia, in the russian language, as it was, as it was and still is, nothing has changed in them. tell me, do you understand why this story was organized with sevastopol, that the ukrainians were shooting from sevastopol? what this means an attack on the headquarters, they interrupted the celebration of the day of the navy of the russian federation, what is it anyway? well, somehow it was necessary to explain why they will not celebrate . they are afraid of a blow, because they still need to take out the photo for the celebration, so we came to make some kind of provocation, this is one version, i don't know, maybe there's just an unspectacular version, it's also good, when there, the guys just left to hooliganize and filled the plane

uavs with firecrackers, and they were all a little bit scared there. also, the option is good, maybe they just found such an excuse, well, you didn’t provoke a celebration because, well, it could really end with the sinking of another cruiser or some missile ship or something like that of course, they are afraid of this because it will be a very big blow to their image, so the command of the black sea fleet had to somehow find an excuse, but not in front of their citizens, they had to find an excuse in front of putin himself because uh, how do they explain what putin says , carry out the advice, they say we can’t carry out, well , how they can’t carry out, we have to explain it somehow well, they knew, uh, they made a uav there, they blew something up a little bit, well, they said that volodymyr

volodymyrovych, we can’t, the ukrainians are attacking us, well , putin knows exactly where the rockets are flying. do you think that he, too, absolutely, as you know, as an ordinary viewer of the vremya program, doesn’t know who shot, but maybe it’s really the ukrainians. that’s why they shouldn’t think at all that we are going to moscow tomorrow we are shooting today at sevastopol to think. they say that he does not use the internet at all, but he only reads what is reported to him, i answer him with a report that it is necessary to prove that they made a provocateur, it is necessary to lead them . i really hope that my texts are not monitored. to be honest, at one time, when i had the opportunity to inquire, i was told that none of my texts are monitored .

they look at what we say, how we say it, we analyze it, it's their job, they're obliged, it doesn't mean that it 's put on putin's table, no, i hope that there's not, uh, me, here you are. by the way, if we've already started talking about it, maybe you remember do you know that after the closure of echo of moscow, oleksiy, the announcer said that the reason for such a decision was my interview with echo of moscow radio in the first days of the war, in which i spoke about the fact that if russia starts a nuclear war against the west, strategic nuclear missiles can hit not only from russia to new york, but from new york to moscow and from moscow will remain a memory, and in this monitoring there was a reference to my interview with the words that i called for the nuclear destruction of moscow, well, last name, photo, biography, the call and he and the announcer said that he asked for the texts of the broadcast and showed these roskomnadzor employees that i did not say anything like that, as

you understand, i just said that when a nuclear war occurs, well, it means that they shoot not only in one direction a and b in the other and putin himself admitted this when he said that they will all go to hell and we all let's go to heaven, but he didn't mean that everything would be fine. so, after that, they seemed to remove this remark with my last name, but left something else there. well, maybe they lied, he gave an indication. this was the case when i was supposed to be monitored precisely to putin, thanks to the prosecutor general of the russian federation, but it is not so often that you get to the monitors to putin. it is an honor because there is such a little daddy, i see a thin one. he does not read much, he is a very lazy person, and there are somewhere around 5-10, and this is not you. think with your by experience that it is like some ukrainian leaders have large portfolios, putin has big portfolios, it is not like that he is lazy, why is it important to him in capital letters on five sheets of paper, they told how life is arranged, well, you know, it’s simple. in those days, putin was just signing documents about what he was

translating missile troops of the strategic e-e strategic troops of the strategic purpose of the rsm that's what it's called, it seems like oh-oh-oh increased combat readiness further, touching on this topic here a little , now the situation has changed, you know. antonov bridge, holes were made in the bridge over ingulets and with a direct hit of a rocket 100 km they broke the rail, they imagined, they imagined. yes, the accuracy of this haimars has changed a little. russian rockets there, they know. they are located in mines of such rock and they are closed with lids weighing 121 tons. and

these mines are designed to preserve the missile in the event of a nuclear response. rockets, but they did it in such a way that a nearby nuclear one did not harm everyone, because there was no question of flowability, but those rockets made these holes, which we see can also burn through those covers with such artificiality that putin's strategic nuclear missiles are covered. yes , they can be burnt and in this way even a non-nuclear strike can be put out of action just like that and putin understands this well, that is, after the attack on the antonov bridge. they have everything, in fact, all their missile forces of strategic purpose, nuclear forces do not work, they can be destroyed with one blow, well, something like uh, in kaymarsu, but they increased the

distance, that is, very high accuracy, it solves very big problems, but these holes are made by a cumulative jet and it can also be burned, these holes are like, uh, these are the covers that cover putin's missile, now he's all naked and it's a very big problem for him. and that's why he 's regrouping now, because it's a big, big well, the problem for him is real, he doesn't have a military, he doesn't have paratroopers, everything is destroyed, he doesn't have a division, he doesn't have tanks, he doesn't have a sufficient number of high- precision missiles. he will lose it, he will be killed , that's his whole situation, you won't envy him. thank you, mr. mykhailo. i'll remind you that an expert in military counterintelligence, a reserve colonel of the security service of ukraine, mykhailo prytula, was with us on today's broadcast, and we continue to talk about what

is happening around russia's war, ukraine has already continued to speak in the international context because now there are a lot of decisions related to what is happening in principle around ukraine, in principle, it is necessary to talk about what the international community can do to stop moscow from further crimes that can happen from the submission of the kremlin leadership, this is our today's conversation, it shows that the russian federation is ready. there is nothing to stop before when it comes to some tasks the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, puts in front of the russian military or employees of the special services, absolutely criminal mentality, we just see the mentality of a bully, and a person with a bully mentality, of course, always acts in such a way that they are

afraid of her, there is no other tool of politics except fear. putin does not know, he does not know how to work with some other tools, with some kind of gentle force, with something else, with influences, he either kills or blackmails like this for 30 years in a row already 20 20 eh two years in a row this is what putin’s eh looks like by the way, the leadership said 30 years ago that this russian federation is a pseudo-independent state that has existed for 30 years, and in yeltsin's time it used exactly such mechanisms regarding how to act in the international arena, and this is a very important point that must also be said when we we are talking about what is happening around vladimir putin and around the need for the international community to fight against russian interests and to provide opportunities for the

russian president to act as he acts in ukraine, not to give opportunities to create new ones alinika iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the head of the verkhovna rada commander on foreign policy issues, the former authority of the variable settlement in donbas, we are in contact with vitayer good evening to all viewers espresso vitaly good evening congratulations, so let's talk about what the international consequences of this tragedy may be the people of valeev, are they speeding up the possibility of recognizing russia as a terrorist state, by the way, today they are talking about the fact that a similar resolution has already been proposed in the lower palace of the russian parliament of the american parliament in the house of representatives and they are talking there that if the department does not act in this way, then the house of

representatives itself will do it, how can this be reflected? congress and the senate, you can also raise the ukrainian issue to such a new level , because i think that today it is obvious for both democrats and republicans that russia violates international law and, oh, it is not going to to stop the war, and it seems to me that the two american political parties will offer their own tough answer to stop this russian aggression, and so on. i think that the approach of these elections will bring up the issue of aid to ukraine on a new discourse and may contribute to that that the russian federation will be recognized by the state as a sponsor of terrorism as well. well, it is obvious that these decisions are already too late. every week, russia throws up every day, it kills someone in ukraine. every day, we suffer terrible losses among the military among civilians, but every week it acts like a real

terrorist state, and this is bucha, this is mariupol, this is vinnytsia, this is now a terrible tragedy . organizations of the united nations, it is obvious to us that the united states has its leadership role to use in order to reform the un security council, because russia today it is not regions, not only the world order, well, it simply discredits all international organizations, er, we see what is happening, sorry, not a parliamentary word. yes, but the real castration today is the un, the international committee of the red cross, the osce, they are simply not able to perform their key functions of maintaining peace or promoting humanitarian missions, and all this is blocked by russia, which is used by the organization, well, for of your own goals and to

discredit such a concept as humanism , security, international law, tell me here in principle if we are talking about the situation that is currently occurring in donbas, the government is talking about the need mandatory evacuation from donetsk region, how realistic is it that citizens living in the territories that are now the center of attention of the russian aggressors , because we understand that they will try at any cost to establish control over the entire territory of donetsk region, how much can we hope that it will be possible to get these people out from a district that will soon be a district of intense hostilities, it is obvious that it is necessary to call on all people who, especially, have small children to leave the zone of such active hostilities, but you are absolutely right in that it is also a matter of security and evacuation corridors. they have security , and the same international organizations must be involved. when the government says today that it is

urging citizens to leave, it should also say how to leave, how these evacuation corridors will be organized. i have a lot of friends, acquaintances, er, in donetsk region. and you know, recently there a network , er, these banking trolls made a photo where we are standing with pyotr oleksiyovych and a woman with one ot. against the background of the broken bucha well, although everyone who was in bucha knows the nature of the destruction there and this was avdiivka and she was a teacher of avdiivka school number one with whom we have been friends since the 15th year there was an old photo where we just met again in avdiivka and here is mrs. natalya i have also turned to her. well, i have repeatedly turned to ms. natalya, get out of there immediately. she is a very pro-ukrainian person, a history teacher, and it is obvious that she is also in the risk zone. ira, i have different graves here. i have my cats and dogs here. i don't know where to go. i say well, come, we will find a

place to accommodate you. history teachers are needed here, and she has not made a decision either. you know, people are traumatized there very often because of this eight-year war, and it is dangerous when they do not make a decision until the very end, and it seems to me that the problem is really bad. but if the government says that you are leaving, you need to provide corridors and say how they see the placement of people, people are simply often afraid to go anywhere, although it is obvious that, on the other hand, staying in a zone of active hostilities is even more dangerous well, in principle, it is clear from the way the russians are acting now that they are calmly shelling residential areas, but today we talked a lot about the death of a businessman from vidaturskyi with his wife. and kharkiv and it affects and er, a painful wound and the throat dries up when you simply block your breath when

you see the nature of the destruction in kharkiv and in mykolaiv, and it really is terror, this is a continuation of the topic that you asked in the first question that russia is a terrorist state as far as oleksiy is concerned . we all knew him well. he was really such a very strong, authoritative person, er, a person who created a very large agricultural business from scratch and really . as well as the sources of ukrainian grain exports, you know the rada channel is now working. so when the sink of the president’s office, where is the director of news, there is something there. he laughs in the days of our grief , but he does not talk about the work of the parliament. less last week, for example, the parliament adopted very important draft laws related to river and water transport in order to activate this area,

and oleksiy and andrii vedturskyi were also involved in the development of these draft laws and, by the way, they were also examined time and work in the parliament, and this is a very big loss for ukrainian business, for ukrainian enterprise and for mykolaiv, because turskyi is leading it. he supported the armed forces and the territorial defense and volunteer movements well, when we see how this propagandist moskovska semenyan says that this is what denazification is in their understanding, then we understand that maybe it was not just that, but some random coincidence, where did this rocket fall what is this it was planned - it is clear that our law enforcement agencies should also focus on investigating such cases. how did it happen, although we see that russian terrorists do not choose people according to their state of health, age, gender, social status, they kill the old and children. that's why they should be punished. regarding

mykolaiv, regarding what is happening today with this beautiful place, this is a problem. and you know, really, there are the most dangerous zones in the residential areas. and where does the russian artillery reach, somewhere over there? from 460 km and er, i think that mykolaiv has not heard silence, i have not heard silence for several months, not to mention weeks and days, there is constant and terrible increasing shelling, and it is obvious that the world has no right to get tired of ukraine a-a until the moment at all and besides when russia will be defeated because of it. our task as journalists and statesmen is to do everything in order to convey this position and to expect more weapons and more help from the world so that we can resist and win. well, by the way, the station with mykolayev just says that the russians continue to hope capture the entire south because this is not an accidental attack, it is the largest

such shelling since the beginning of the war, and this indicates that on the one hand the russians are thinking about capturing donetsk region, on the other hand they want go to mykolaiv region, remind the region while we are discussing the plans for the liberation of kherson oblast , odessa is in your head, you are absolutely right, i would even say not just odessa, but then the novorossiya project is on my mind, sorry, but in may 14, he stated that novorossia included his absolutely this fantasy, the sick mind included one then, thanks to the heroism of the ukrainian army, we managed to stop the development of this, well, worst scenario, including, by the way, thanks to well, criticized so often, and the new team by the minsk agreement, which simply gave the ukrainian army and ukraine a radish to build up their muscles, we then did not allow the project to be implemented in the lesson. what is happening now, we see that putin is essentially breaking through this corridor from mariupol there through kherson

to crimea, and ah, already today when it comes to it is about the capture of the luhansk region there, about such terrible battles in donetsk region, about the partial occupation there of the kherson zaporizhzhya kharkiv regions. this is her project of novorossia, which he did not give up . and here is the last one. please note that all these eight years putin celebrated there the day of the russian navy in sevastopol today, he was afraid it was such a cowardly bunker monster and somewhere there they were celebrating. it seems to me near st. petersburg, but they were no longer hiding something, he declared that the zone of russian interests is the black sea, the whole baltic sea is over there the sea and it is obvious that the project hair includes it this is the black sea so well we need to tell the world again and again how dangerous it is and work seriously on the next package of sanctions which should include not only well a complete energy embargo, and i think that expanding

the list of natural persons, because putin's dictatorship rests on specific people, on the security forces, on this extensive system of officials of all stripes, who are simply not loyal to russia, and when all these buryats come to rob ukraine , they steal, that is, toilets there are no toilets only because their leaders have real estate abroad, so we need to start working very seriously once again and once again for these comments for participating in the broadcast, i will remind you that ira is a people's woman mp of ukraine or the steering committee of the verkhovna rada on foreign policy issues, we were on the air, now i will pass the floor to my colleague ania melnyk for the news release and remind you about the interactive at 18:40 for which please ask questions on the pages of the e-e tv channel espresso in social networks, thank you for this news, please wait