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adventure, and danger. and how has the territory of the east that you described changed since 2014, and how can we now outline the east, and what is it now? meant this just what a very stereotype it is, you know that how to talk about galicia as a territory of coffee, a territory of cups with croissants, in fact, the east is much more complicated and so much more unambiguous, and well , because it is, for example, the city of kharkiv, as i am a very powerful metropolis, we are powerful both intellectually and business-wise and political kharkiv determined and determines a lot of things, and therefore it will probably not work to somehow reduce all this to the wild field, despite the fact that there are elements, the elements of the decoupling have always been the east, it is a specific plus very heterogeneous therefore that i, for example, there is kharkiv region, for example, northern

donbas, there is southern donbas, and they differ in terms of attitudes and mental, cultural, historical, and linguistic, that's why the east is different, but i agree with you in the main thing that at first this aid that there was a large-scale invasion changed in principle the function of the east, its sound and its vision, probably in the eyes of many ukrainians, those who have never been there in the east, never understood what was happening there and either simply accepted the losses of the nazi well, yes, this is also ukraine or did not accept so it's not exactly ukraine, but instead it turned out that this territory actually became a frontline again to the struggle for the country, the struggle for statehood. well, one way or another, all the events are taking place there, this is again me, i'm talking to no extent without any reproach, what are we we fight there, but here they fight, it’s not like that. there are a lot of citizens of ukraine from all regions fighting there, and this is also a specification of the war. you know when, after the battle for kyiv , units from under kyiv and here transcarpathia began to come to us, galicians here, kyivans here still with

which regions it is somehow terribly moving and it was very significant when in kharkiv kharkiv oblast was defended and the whole of ukraine, therefore actually returning to your question about the departure he is without his own that now he is changing his attention he is changing his sound has changed his intonation is changing this is a clear thing very difficult the process will not be short-lived , it is very painful and traumatic, and even if we assume that tomorrow the war will end with the first victory, that it will end with a victory, i doubt that it will end tomorrow, yes, well it is hardly possible to predict that everything will change very easily and fundamentally. i think that these processes have been launched there, they are very important and they are probably irreversible. i had the opportunity to communicate with one man who moved to the west and in a conversation with him he started talking about gangs like this he said that the gang is also an element of the romanticization of donetsk region and luhansk region. he said that he was a participant, but he says

. you live as if we wanted to live. in your opinion, to what extent did russia and russian propaganda influence the east in general, and in particular how can we follow some cultural and social things that existed that were purely influential? i think you are absolutely right about it. i am a specialist in investigations. as far as i remember , crime in the 90s was what was in the east, what was here in the west, and if in our country it was connected, for example , with the redistribution of industrial resources, but here it could be connected for example, with the customs office with the border crossing. well, we also have them, by the way. we also monitor the areas near kharkiv where the fighting is going on the most at the moment, these are the areas of smugglers, so i think this is a romanticization , a romanticization rather of the west, and it is also not very accurate. salt, it is not geographical or social and does not concern only

the industrial east, and i think in the 90s it was simply a phenomenon of what is in the east and what is in the west, but if, again, we talk about what you are asking about, more broadly, about these cultural influences, well and definitely is its own specifics and undoubtedly the east, unfortunately, in had much worse starting conditions, because we were near russia, but it’s just that, from us, we took a taxi to russia until the last until the 24th. from kharkiv, you could get to the kharkiv south railway station by taxi er, to belgorod because the railway traffic was blocked, and therefore there is no doubt that the influence of russia, russian culture, and russian information was stronger there due to several factors, in particular, due to the political factor, we still had a specific political field, but well here i understood that here i think it is very important not to forget the main thing that the east it was always the east of ukraine, it was not the southwest of russia, it was always a ukrainian territory with its own specifics, with its own moods, with its own

nuances, but one way or another it has always been ukrainian territory, kharkiv region, donetsk region, and i think this is some basic thing that should not be deviated from, because in this way we play along with russian propaganda. i have lived in kharkiv for more than 30 years, and kharkiv, on the one hand, is traditionally considered by many to be such a pro-russian metropolis, where the russian-speaking culture has always been and is there , and i think that it will be because many people have stayed, but is that so? otherwise, this is all this, first of all, in my understanding, it was a ukrainian ukrainian cultural center, so you can trace the history of kharkov, and starting there, let's say from hryhoriy savych, well, in general, from 2 years ago, and where from hrygory savych through our romantics, through the university through our philologists, through the generation of the 20s and 30s, without a doubt, and until today there was also ukrainian content. there was always

ukrainian, this basis, the ukrainian basis . in fact, the union is working to destroy it and not to remember it, so look at what is being done, i know that recently somehow i caught myself thinking how much the russians are in this war in this latest war, how much they don't hunt with a frying pan now first of all, it has been 300 years for us, a whole year of skovoroda. they first found the museum, then they fired at the people of skovoroda, so they fired several times at babai, where skovoroda used to visit. well, they destroyed the university named after skovoroda. behind him, but they can’t catch him, actually i also want to mention the contexts and something like this, referring to your boarding school novel, so the main hero of your novel was at the beginning of the text a person without a factual position, that is, he knew ukrainian

language oriented him in the culture, but he did not associate himself with this culture, it was not his e-e important. but you actually lead him on such a mythical path of a hero, and when he comes from such a small person who does not affect anything, he turns out to be a hero who has reached yes, to enlightenment and to your ukrainian, but you aim to equate ukrainian identity, ukrainian culture itself , to immortality and omnipotence, the goddess placed there does not come to ukrainianness at the end there, well, obviously everything is much more complicated than three days, you can't change some foundations of your identity, it's unlikely that you can implement all this strongly in three days, although this time is quite enough for you to start thinking as you go, you know such a thing that you say he without positions he without a clear a well-defined position, that is, he is not

such a pro-ukrainian activist. but at the same time, he is not a supporter of, for example, russian world or some separatist project , but this is also a position, this is a position of declarative neutrality, you know, not inclusiveness is also a position and one should not think that for many people it is spontaneous for some completely. here is a conscious option, that is, a person thinks better, i will take this position in this situation, clearly puts something or marking between the two camps, and that is why there is a certain sequence in this too there is a certain logic regarding those transformations that did not take place. no, i don’t, i don’t think, i don’t think that this coming to ukrainian is so similar to the immortality of the gods here, you know, in this case, these transformations of the main character of the boarding school were different something important, it has somehow been left out of the attention of critics, as it seems to me, ah. and it consists in this, and you know this, this is my deep conviction, which

is based on the experience of communicating with thousands of people for some personal transformations with which they have taken place in recent years, and this experience consists of in that, well, changes, any changes in worldview, in particular, the choice of some position, well, a clear adjustment of one's own parameters, yes, they happen. well, they always happen and are exclusively personal. a whole region can become pro -ukrainian, a district, an urban-type village, or a residential quarter or a sleeping area, cannot become pro-ukrainian, but all this happens because of personal experiences, tragedies, traumas, or vice versa , enlightenment and inspiration, and this should be understood, this is often what is not understood to this day, this is something that is often the cause of rejection, let's say some things, but now the war has been going on in our country for almost 5 months

. changed, why does the east continue to be such a process , and in fact the east already consists of living people and hundreds of thousands of millions of living people, and for many of them, everything has changed before ukraine, and it is simply necessary to see it through our such a prism of personal transformations, well, you can’t look at it looking at me i don’t know, looking at the city from a bird’s eye view, for example. and please tell me , that is, now, everyone. well, many people are trying to create ukrainian content, spread the ukrainian language, ban the import of russian books, yes limit access to russian content, is it possible to affect individuals, first of all, how does it affect individuals who want to transform , and how will it affect those who while there is no impetus to transform, it is definitely flowing , especially our increasing presence and the appearance of the ukrainian of content it seems to me that this is a more constructive way because well, you have to fill yourself with something, especially when you stand at this point zero and i try to move on and you

start for everyone. which well, many people do not understand one thing, when you grew up on ukrainian literature, listened to ukrainian music, read ukrainian journalism, did you watch ukrainian journalism, and when you are in this ukrainian-speaking, ukrainian-centric space, yes . all these nuances work and play is a different thing when, before that, you watched exclusively russian television or exclusively russian literature, and in general had no idea about the existence of the mainland of ukraine and then suddenly at some point something activates in you and you remember that you are not you you are also ukrainian i am all this to you but it turns out you don't know either the history of literature or the history of music neither the history of the theater nor history well you don't know anything just because that you passed by it and you start from scratch, and here these markers are very important, some marks are very important in order to mark the way to go, and i see it constantly now

, constantly at every step, because you know there men and women, what kind of 40-50 years old they are now starting to discover some such things for themselves things and you say to them that well, you talk to a person, getting used to the fact that, well, no, there can't be a person who does not know, for example, what is komu vniz or who is ivasyuk and or who is not there was no vingranovsky, for example, is ivan fedorovych drach walking maybe there will be such people. the majority is the vast majority, and this does not mean that these are bad people, it means that these are people who were deprived of ukrainian content this year and they need to make up for all of this, they need to somehow restore and nourish for themselves because well, otherwise they will be in this world of ukrainianness, like a certain jungle in which it is very easy to get lost and very easy to lose faith and because when you are disoriented, well, this is a very good , very good opportunity for, in principle, to

scare you to manipulate in order to use your resource in principle, it 's cool for you when i mean we won't have such an experience when you re-read migranovsky for the first time at a conscious age or include ivasyuk in yourself i'm absolutely myself i write about it that well, sometimes you can to be jealous of these people, who have been there for 40 years, have i discovered zabuzhko gerasimyuk for myself or not? well, i doubt it with pleasure, but in any case, this is when people discover this space for themselves, in principle, and suddenly they are ours, those people who spoke yesterday that modern ukrainian music can not be, modern ukrainian literature cannot be, and nothing can be, because if they did not know about it, then there is no place for it in their consciousness, and suddenly it does not occur to them that it is not, that everything can be this exists exists exists this in parallel, some kind of reality that has always passed is an indicator of terribly interesting things. they are very promising, they are strategic. that is, it is not even about tactics, it is about work for decades for all of us and for relatively speaking producers and

relatively speaking consumers. i just predict that when this war ends we will simply launch such processes that will fundamentally change our social, intellectual, linguistic , and cultural landscapes of the country, well, fundamentally, simply fundamentally, if we are talking about war and weapons confrontation so where do you see the role of culture in it, how do you see it, well, this is a very difficult question, because the first such reluctance is to say that there is no place for culture in principle, because, well, it is clear . it is conducted with the help of a guitar. it is conducted with the help of weapons. the better the weapons are, the more effective the army's activities are. so it is clear, as if on the other hand, you know, there is a clear understanding that war is not only the front line. military because when they don't have the feeling that

they have a country behind them, a country that is loyal to them, a country that supports them, a country that believes in them , a country that supplies them with resources and waits for them . with their return with victory, i think well , the army that she doesn't have all of this, i think there may be very strong problems with motivation, and accordingly well, what i see in the first months of change in us is just that. we are more or less all right. we actually have this connection . quite and too possible optimistic, but there is this social unity, there is a certain consolidation, and thank god that even then, returning to your question about culture, you understand culture - it is possible that it is not the most important thing in our lives, but it is the component, if you remove it and the thread give it, you pull it out and the whole structure of the fabric simply collapses because well , one way or another, it is something that connects a lot of things to each other, culture - it is primarily about normal life, it is primarily about ours, about our filling, yes, about our identity, it is about things

basic, that is, a clear thing in the conditions of war in the conditions of shelling you can forget your favorite poets, their lines, but then if you survive after these shellings, it is very important that you have something to remember them if you have nothing to remember in you except just this stupefied traumatism nothing will happen, so we are now speaking a lot in front of the military and we have already seen how much i am not everything is important here, it is not about , you know, some kind of aesthetic acceptance, it is not about the fact that they are there, all the experts i am not against ukrainian literature, culture, music at all, but this feeling of one's anu is very easily transmitted through culture, well, even the easiest way is not through politics, because even in the conditions of war, politics is the mechanism that can very easily digest and scatter people among themselves, namely because of the culture, this is our territory, where well, there is a much greater chance of its people getting along with the zhadan band, actually, and the dogs with

the energy line and with many of your acquaintances and colleagues, uh, since the beginning of the war, volunteers and in kharkiv, you work on security, but in particular you support the charter battalion, yes, the volunteer unit, the charter, what was the history of this formation, so theological to the creation of the name , and the concept, as a whole. e name for e-e in fact, everything is very logical because my friends and i have been volunteering for the 14th year, we have a huge number of acquaintances e-e from units in very different units and the armed forces and volunteers and the national guard and we are with them and all worked, helped a lot for all this, yes and accordingly. when the shelling of kharkiv began, in particular, a lot of artists from kharkiv stayed in and actively participated in volunteer

work, but this is also such a thing . do a concert for us, read a poem for us in the evening, and it also somehow went together. and regarding the charter, i have such a friend, he is a very good er, vsevolodku zheku, he is a businessman, he is an honorary consul, er, in austria in he and i made a support for kharkiv, embroidered, but actually he was the initiator, and he invented the opera. and i also wrote my brother, and then he turned to me and said, let's create a division, because there are opportunities, there are resources, there are people who are ready to join, or something so he and i came up with such a thing. i say, he says, come up with a name, and now i created such a puzzle so that there would be hart, kharkiv, and an act of arts. and so our charter came out. the unit is pretty good it is staffed by professionals, officers. i

think he has a glorious glorious story ahead of him. there are many viewers who may not have supported your volunteer activities before. me on facebook or on instagram or twitter. in principle , i give all the information there, all the requisites. it is here that there is such a thing, look, you and i mentioned kharkiv, but in fact we support not only this unit, we we support in principle and we are trying to get a unit that defends kharkiv region, which fights in kharkiv and there further south to the southeast to donbass. that is, these are the terror defense units, these are also volunteers, this is the armed forces of ukraine, this is the police, very different boys and girls, and some are from kharkiv, some are actually from other cities, there is no difference when to support, but it is that these are our ukrainian forces, these are our ukrainian defenders, all the activities that we do, it is all recorded, in fact, we teach from there about everything that we do. now, i am also here in

lviv in order to raise funds for the purchase of cars for the ukrainian military, because this is even the greatest need, everyone is applying, everyone needs cars. i hope that our listeners understand that you need to find serhiy zhadana's page on social networks and join the cars that will help our to the defenders and i want to move on and again i want to move on to myths and fairy tales in myths and fairy tales evil in some amazing way it just dies after the final battle so the battle can be hopeless, but then the heroes. well, there is no opportunity to contact our enemies. yes, unfortunately. well, we are unlikely to be so lucky. russia will remain as some kind of formation one way or another. how should we communicate after the victory with russia with its culture and what should be our strategy now? first win, and then ours, then

dictate dictate this plan for the future that now seems to me a little too early to build a detailed plan for well, personally, it is obvious that we should probably put russian culture on a pause, and obviously this pause will be a long one. and whenever this war ends, obviously until the moment when russian society does not come to some awareness . to the russian society itself, and then you can go back to conversations at round tables to dialogues to some other things related to trying to understand the people, because today you obviously see the statistics when there it seems that about 70% of russians today officially support the war in ukraine to talk about something with such a society. it seems to me that there is simply no

time. they are the aggressors, they are the occupiers, they are destroying our country and we should not talk to them now, we should not support their culture, not prolong its existence here we just need to exclude all of this, this is all working, this is all a barrier to the very ideas of ukrainian, these are the very ideas of the ukrainian state, and this is what happens to ukrainians, and some foreign organizations or specific figures appeal to what we should to actually talk to that small percentage in some way support them who do not support the war and those who are suffering from sanctions and uh against putin should we do that but i don't think we owe anything to anyone in this situation we have to defend ourselves we have to to survive to save our country to save our children and this is what we should and should we negotiate with the good russians ? pocket russian passport, well, it's the same as having passports of nazi germany in your pocket, if you still

haven't handed in this passport, if you haven't given it up, obviously you identify yourself in some way, and it's connected to this monstrous entity called of the russian federation, and you can be a thousand times a liberal, you can be a thousand times an opponent of put-putin, but that's all it means, all the same, opportunities, opportunities to get out, opportunities to justify the evil that you're talking about, because it's still different. well, i understand that they kill ukrainians are raping ukrainian women, not putin or his, but ordinary russian boys who have russian passports in their hands, which may also be before the war, before participating in this war. maybe they came to ukraine. maybe they were interested in ukraine. maybe they listened to some of our music. and maybe they had nothing personally against ukraine, but they took