elected for the third term, for the third term, no chinese politician has been moved in the last 30 years, he has worked for 10 years and that's it. and now xi jinping really needs to announce some new super-edition at this congress, because the congress usually plans for 5- 10 years, that is, in fact, it will be a new platform for him to point at putin and he thinks that i don’t need a small a-a war is victorious as was crimea in the 14th year and applause from the chinese people that this is the kind of leader we need so so see sensipi never copied anyone, let's say that yes , that is, he came to power in the 12th year and with his own inventions, yes, that is, he did not need to be a tough leader for china, let's say that, well, he has no opposition, no, everything is loyal there yes, yes and now, yes, and now, in principle, yes, here i am putin. yes, putin is a strong politician. well, how

do the chinese see him? i mean, this idea is conquering many minds. he can slam his fist and say attack on of the united states to the united states well, i think that izinpin is also a very difficult choice for him because of all the recent conversations. i don't see that he is ready to play such a role. you see, putin also grew gradually over 20 years, and who is putin's friend well, you're a friend, comrade, brother. well, they're friends, they've met 30 times. this is the most. the most politicians who meet most of the time. i called putin and asked him to start negotiations , uh, and that's when the negotiations began. well, you know that

they led to nowhere, that is, russia started with ultimatums, but the very fact that xizinpin called and asked, yes, this shows that, but as i say, there is such an example. i can tell you about it. it was very funny. when putin and xi jinping met for the first time, according to the chinese tradition, when two people meet, you have to wait. yes, xi jinping held his glass below the edge of putin's glass, and this showed that at that time he recognized that if his supremacy even in the chinese media then said, why did he do this, why did he show that he is a little lower in rank now, of course. before this, sisinpin does not do anything, and when the last meeting was with putin, it was putin who went to sisinpin, sisinpin sat there and waited for him, clearly showing that it was you you come to me , i treat you with some kind of respect and this is how their relations have changed, that is,

now in fact china understands that it is a barbarian for us in this situation, and here is what we would like to understand. actually there are two countries the main ones that do not recognize any side in russia's war against ukraine and take a neutral position are turkey, which declares itself as a mediator on a large number of issues, and there is china, which does not declare anything, but on the contrary, we, you say that they are friends, yes sisinpi with putin, china broadcasts russian news on its own television and feeds the chinese propaganda, and we discuss in society that china is playing its own game and has not yet made public its map, what does it want from this war, after all, energy experts they say that the reorientation of russian exports of oil and gas to asian countries can save their

budget from the impact of european and american sanctions. what kind of game is china playing today in our war? well, really, there are more such countries, like india and indonesia, which also want to become the intermediary or not tra-linity adheres to some but really china, you understand but we are not waiting for such and such steps from india, but really the situation is very interesting here because it is actually a western narrative that china can to do something, that is, china is defending itself by the fact that putin did not listen to him. we are just talking about what i told you that putin did not respond to the call, all these calls to start negotiations, china said that russia did not listen to us, we have no influence and when on march 18, the first conversation between sisinpin and biden took place. at that time, the americans and, in principle, biden was a prick. then, somewhere, he told him, if you are a great country. if you are claiming some kind

of status as a great country, then do something. this also applies to you. that is, we are doing it from our side uh assistant he said no, we take a neutral position, we will do something but it will be our own choice and no one should push us to some yes or choice of camps and so on. and even when the un is sorry, 140 countries will vote for our resolution and china abstains. yes, you are at the assembly. ion shows this very clearly. and then china comes out and says. you see, we voted, we abstained. india also voted. there are also 20 african countries and here we are 30 american countries , but in terms of population, we have even more than let's say the population of europe or the united states , that's why the majority of the population supposedly shares our position, such a cunning position, but really, the conversation was interesting. i also want to note something from izipin. he did not speak for all these 150 days. zelenskyi

is also very revealing, but he has already spoken with putin, for example, and er, there is a dialogue with ukraine at the level of foreign ministers. ivan and the ministry of foreign affairs of china spoke with a bullet twice already. and it was in these conversations that china tried to find out, as you say should i explain my position? and his position also sounds pretty much the same. well, it's not clear for the first time. at first glance, for us, he says that we will not sit idly by, in the same way as he is now talking about taiwan, we will be something to act but we are still really waiting, what does it mean not to sit idly by and what does it mean practically? that is, we do not see even turkey, if you say, she does practically do something. well, in this matter, we we do not understand because what can the chinese want from the chinese they say there is also such an interesting phrase they say i am such a chinese proverb there is a whole story there they say that a tiger from a tiger has a bell, remove

the one who hung it there i am such a proverb wisdom yes it means that if you created a problem, then you have it that is, they say that we did not create problems in the relations between ukraine and russia, and we did not at all. well, that's why we remember february 7 and then the olympics in beijing. a full-scale invasion is all a myth or is it a reality because many ukrainians remember these words and parallels are given that since february 7 they were waiting for this meeting and these and then my position is so and so i do not think that china coordinated or russia coordinated actions with china but all they knew about the attack from american intelligence sources, but the only thing is that many did not believe it, and some believed it, and during putin's visit to china, what really

happened there is the most important thing, in my opinion, that china supported russia, and all its narratives anti-nato, what did he say that he supported russia in that nato does not take into account all the concerns of the so-called russia that forces it, that is, in fact, from this time to this, never, well , that is, nato has nothing to do with china at all, you understand, and here it turns out to be china now repeats in this joint declaration i repeat the russian narratives that it is as if this is an event that actually forces russia into a corner, that it is reacting that the americans are to blame for the war, america is using ukraine as an instrument of pressure on russia or anti-russian instruments, i.e. ukraine. they do not appear here at all, do you understand in these conversations? well, if you read the chinese press, for example, it will generally be

said that there is a conflict between russia and the west, i.e. russian, yes. that is, there is some ukrainian interest or even some ukrainian position . in general, if she gets there, then it gets there with a very loud creak when we already say that for an ordinary chinese there is no subjectivity of ukraine in this war, the taiwanese are fighting in ukraine now as volunteers and they say that are gaining such combat experience in ukraine in order to go and then be able to defend their country against the chinese army absolutely very strongly minimum i apologize so i will say the word now er if we go back to the beginning of the conversation in general why is this topic now well everyone is worried why about it everyone is talking. yes, this is the probable fact of the war. let's talk honestly about it now. it's a serious issue. the key factor is that it should become a factor. so, where should we start because,

logically, what should we start with? well, that's what. they make it clear to us that the temporary chairman of the supreme council of the united states of america will fly to ukraine yes well, so that everyone understands the position pavlo that's right, the very fact of the visit is actually the same if you look at the last decades there, yes well, this is quite an ordinary event in fact, the visit of the diplomats is not ordinary, let me agree with something. it can become a trigger for war, but not for taiwan, but a war between china and the united states . i'm sorry, the speaker of the us congress can be shot down just because she decided to fly, look, i think that the chinese can be and behave more cunningly , they can simply intercept him and they can not allow you to land in taiwan, you understand, that is, the interception takes place and

the plane simply turns away so that there is no collision but then we fix a precedent in world history, roughly speaking. so it was china that carried out a conditional, well, not even conditional, this is a fact of a kind of classification of aggression against the united states, because i apologize. well, then you understand if this happens in international waters and not over taiwan, yes, on the approach to taiwan, then there is no reason to attack taiwan, you understand, then we need the planes of the united states and they will protect this debt, of course, then there will be collisions at sea between the aircraft carrier group which an american aircraft carrier is already present there, now there is an american aircraft carrier present, and the big question is, what is the real interest of china if it fights for the united states ? look, china believes that it has not yet matured to challenge the united states, instead it

is ready to accept the challenge, that is, you understand, the chinese just as often say that no one is capable of challenging us because they are already a powerful state . well, they themselves cannot challenge no one understands the chinese, i mean, they will not provoke conflicts, they are provoked into conflicts, you understand, that is, the question is, again, you see the provocation of a conflict, look, i can do that, you can not react to it, of course let the dust settle and sit down in taiwan, but under some pretext you understand that if the chinese do it wrong. in my opinion, they have already inflated the whole story around the visit too much because this visit is unofficial. first of all, she can really sit down to refuel and just formally to meet this will not be official, you understand the meeting but nevertheless, this is a third person - the state, the third person of the united states and a person who, er, can become the president

, that is, the chinese, not so, the chinese, let's say, clearly combine biden with pilozy they don't understand that the pilots in the system of the u.s. government are generally a separate , separate person, yes, she is responsible. according to the law, she very clearly said that i cannot even advise pilos not to go because this is a separate branch, yes, this is a separate branch of government, she decided so, she believes that now it is important to support our partners well, this is officially her problem, democracy, you understand, there is no phone, the new law cannot be called by the president and she can’t say a solution. she also has congressional elections now, where are the democrats? sorry, they can lose and she needs to do something, she needs some too a heroic act, the situation is actually even worse, yes. well, if we actually look at it, here is the study of what, for example, it was interesting, it was a social study of the public opinion of the citizens of the united states. so where they were asked what they would do in the event of a

real military threat on the continent, specifically america there is more there 50%. now, in order not to make a mistake in the numbers, the person stated that they are considering the option of leaving the country, yes. plus, we are your words, and china is not ready, well , in particular, to accept or throw these challenges. yes, we let's summarize by the fact that neither china nor the usa are the largest countries in the literal sense of the word. they don't want to fight, but they are doing it now. it is possible that the whole world is talking about the fact that friends. we are on the verge of a big war. what are these actions? what are they doing deliberately? that we should do these are the impressions, or in fact , the impression we have is the same. let me say it clearly without any impressions. a month or two ago, two months ago, the united states made an official statement with a new doctrine in asian, where they clearly

said that china is our main adversary and our the main competitor and the entire policy of the united states, it is now based on this, if it were not for the fact that we oppose china by any means, military , economic, and so on. one trading partner, that is, in the war . they are not interested, but you understand, they cannot do it if they step back. yes, and say that you have retreated, which means that you are weaker in this sense for china - it is impossible at all. i think that there will be some kind of trick. you understand, i think there will be some kind of trick on the part of america, that is, if the pilots decide to land in taiwan and there will be some kind of trick on the chinese side, they will say, well, my plane broke down there, and we helped her there, by the way, the chinese said that if she really says that they if the plane breaks down, then we will put her on the mainland

to repair this plane, and not in taiwan, they don't conduct a voluntary trial, that is, something will happen. well, i don't see, i don't, after all, i don't see that the third world war will start because of this because china has, for example, only 200 or 300 nuclear warheads, compared to the thousand that the united states has, and you understand the sense of starting, for example, a nuclear war or some even local conflict with such consequences through taiwan, for example, as ukraine will be, yes, it makes sense for china there is no opposite, if you were to talk about the advantages of china, then china is on the contrary, on the contrary, now it is better for him to sit quietly in the sense that russia is at war and for him it is for him and he is for him a rear rear calm peculiar where russia can and you still understand that china is still selling its zero and ingressions. right now, in the total demand, it is getting cheap energy resources, it is

not worth spoiling this situation, if the americans with such visits somehow want to shake this position of a monkey sitting on a mountain and watching the battle, you understand, what is the point the position of the whale to her in general to him in general now he is nowhere but you know, uh, we are in everyday life, yes, we constantly discuss any other collision, or maybe a war on the planet in the context of that and what do we gain from this or do we lose from that if it starts, but i ask for your answer after a short pause, er, a few minutes of our motivating e-videos and we will return to the air and find out what will come of it from a possible war in ukraine, watch the project to find your people kateryna osadchoi from the search for the missing today at 9:30 p.m. good evening we are with the marathon every evening at 8:00 p.m. news

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ukraine. territories, well, i have already talked with some experts on this issue , and they believe that it is bad for ukraine because, first of all, the attention of the united states will be taken away , that is, it will be switched to the asian region, and of course there will not be such support for ukraine as it is because, as we have already said, that the usa will directly participate in this conflict with its armed forces, that is, it is already said and most likely all the weapons will already go there, and in this sense, we then have to rely on ourselves to a greater extent, well, nato europe rather we will not be left alone, but american support will of course be less if there really is some kind of confrontation in the asian region for them in october there should be

a landlis here and if there is still a conflict between kataev and ivaniv, it is dangerous to talk about some kind of lend-lease for the taiwanese well, yes, the same, the same well, the problem is that i say that the taiwanese are already selling billions of us dollars of weapons and have sold and are selling and will sell, there is no such question that if taiwan is not protected yes , that is, here the question is what is the real question, to what extent? yes, to what extent will the united states participate in this conflict, that is, if it is a direct nuclear conflict, you understand, then hmm, that is, that will be all. that is, there will be no local conflict, you understand. there will not be limited because the americans and their wives, as a rule, no no, well, they are not limited to some kind of confrontation. i mean with a nuclear state, the classic battle for the island, like the battle for the

snake, yes. that is, there will be no such thing, it will be a confrontation along the entire front, you understand along the entire front, and well, for example, you understand the excellent american weapons or the american strike group of the group that it can bomb the territory of china, yes. that is, it was created for this purpose, the strike aircraft carrier groups, and the chinese ones, for example aircraft carriers. they are only for repelling alien aircraft carriers, that is, they are unlikely to be able to bring an advantage to the naval battle. if we talk about this and the segment of the war. conflicts and ukraine, of course, then, of course, will get out of the first ranks very quickly, in general, the key question is, perhaps, what is the value of taiwan itself as a territory, as an economy?

what is in china what is everything in the usa last week, biden and xi jinping spoke on the phone, they admitted that taiwan has always been and remains a key point of intersection of the interests of the united states and china before the interests of which because for china it is a sovereign territory on which no one has the right to encroach and uh, and the chinese say very clearly that you see what a double policy the americans have. they protect the sovereignty of ukraine, and in the case of taiwan, they violate our invariant for the united states. no, they do not recognize it, they they recognize only china, yes. that is, they do not recognize taiwan as a separate state, moreover, the united states has done many things, such as throwing taiwan out of the un and replacing it with china, yes. and now, on the other hand , they do not want to surrender this outpost its weight

because for well it will mean a retreat, a significant retreat of the american presence in this region, this is a retreat all the way to japan, to korea, to guamme, where the americans have bases, that is, in fact, they are giving up the entire coast of the south china sea, the yellow sea for what is going on now as you know, there are also a lot of disputes with large oil deposits and so on, all this then the americans say ok, this is actually an indulgence if you say so, so that china does take over taiwan, just like the example happened with hong kong last year yes last year when china promised 50 years not to change the internal laws or any status of hong kong as a territory that was transferred to it as a former colony of britain, but instead, give protests, which are also china to russia, as provocations, including those inspired by the combined the states in 2000 forced china to impose a

group on hong kong and say everything is okay, guys, everyone can be, can there be any internal agreements between the united states and china regarding the situation around taiwan and the situation that is happening in ukraine, for example. can the states theoretically yes ? i miss the exchange of the interests of china and its control of taiwan for china's support of the us position on the conflict in ukraine. this is an interesting question. i think that for china these are unequal issues, you understand , that is, well, this is an interesting question, on the other hand, i do not think that it stands exactly in such and such a plane, you understand , yes yes, buying gas and oil from russia and the refusal of any support for russia, and perhaps some moves by china towards siberia, they can

hit putin’s ambitions hard enough and it will be a blow in the back to putin from china let's do this, i would have phrased it differently, i guess, look, the goal of the united states is to sever the connection between china and russia, that's how the severing of this connection in exchange for taiwan i don't think i don't think that um china believes that taiwan does not have it, that is, it does not he bargains for taiwan because he does not see the presence of the united states there, he says that this is our territory so that they don't do anything there we will not consider everything as ours and the fact that they, the americans, won't remove their troops from there well, i don't mean their weapons or something i don't they will refuse to sell, just the visit of pilosi, he just demonstrates that in the american environment there are completely different moods, let's say that they will not trade with taiwan to mix with the

problems of, for example, russia or ukraine, and so further although i will tell you that before the war, before the beginning of the invasion, there were indeed such topics about the fact that even china will start a war at the same time as russia, that russia is attacking ukraine, china is attacking taiwan , as if two fronts are opening at once to stretch the united states and then and then such and such instead, as we can see, there were versions. they did not come true. well , they still did not come true. although i say that uh. and these are very , very delicate points, if china does not consider taiwan to be any kind of story at all, what kind of story does it have to talk to a third party? do you understand? it is purely his he should talk to the taiwanese, here is the position of china, that is, neither the united states nor japan, no one else can influence the decision of china regarding the secret. that's how you understand, although the situation here is actually the same as i say,

a divided nation, yes that is, there must be some kind of guarantor. yes, how did they glue together germany, for example, the ussr said ok, we do not object to your absorption, yes , and here it is the same, that is, china is waiting for such conditions to be created that taiwan will join itself, that this support will withdraw. well, this is not happening and china i am ready to wait, and the americans, on the contrary, are winding up like this. let's go quickly. by the way, you can explain this. you said that china is waiting for taiwan to join. and what does taiwan live for ? we are because you know in many associations that if the territory is not conditionally recognized as another territory, then it's something conditional there, transnistria , abkhazia, and the like, what does taiwan represent , no, ivan really, he was always self-sufficient, i would say so, that is, the people who fled there, you understand , they understood that this is our last bastion yes you can say, that is, if we are also kicked out of here, then

we will have to flee to the philippines . when he was the leader of e-e and a woman from ivanivka was the leader of the kuomintang, he also actually created an authoritarian regime there, but it was in principle just sufficient, he with e-e at the expense of investments, he grew there, high-class productions were created there, that is, we can never say that there was such a thing as taiwan if he was poor or was he somehow dependent there , on the contrary, on the contrary, when china began to carry out its transformation, the taiwanese were the first people to understand that china was the place to invest money, and it was the taiwanese who pushed civilization. that's right. the taiwanese were the first in the mainland china when and here it is, here it is, china

sees that it is necessary to pull them up gradually, you understand , when the kuomintang was in power, the communists met with the kuomintang and the leaders of the taiwanese nationalists and tried to let's let's open e-e postal service let's open air service with taiwan let's gradually study more gradually so that they also have indicators of turnover between china and vietnam even as of today quite good and in the status of who they trade with because you know conditionally we mention e the facts when it came to light that ukraine purchased coal from the so-called ldnr so that all this ends in cases of treason because it is such and there why is it possible and there here the question is just look somewhere with inpino very what is important is that it is the chinese in the first place, what is their ideology, it does not matter, ideology has always been true, but we greatly exaggerate the importance of what yes, the communist party is