now, as far as is known, these powers have been transferred to the external development agency, which is responsible for negotiations and the exchange of prisoners of war, but i agree with you that this communication, especially with relatives, should be improved, because i am also contacted by a large number of parents of family members who say that they have no information about what and how is happening to their e family members who are prisoners of war, moreover, because vereshchuk and we talked about this and told the head of e-e intelligence that e-e there is another problem according to some according to estimates, almost 8,000 people are currently in captivity outside uh, according to the unified records , they are prisoners of war. no, they are uh. who are there, they are simply being held illegally without grounds and do not even give information to outsiders that this or that person is there

because of that, the ukrainian law enforcement agencies process them how visa-free disappeared, but in fact these are the people who are held hostage there, the ukrainian authorities are also following us, we talked about it because a commission was created to develop new draft laws on international humanitarian law, for example, forced passporting in the e-e not only domestic, but in international practice there is not a single document that is dated 1014, period, that is, in history because of that cerebral thing. i agree that they use the option that there is no forced passporting in international law and use this lever because of that here in ukraine in the verkhovna rada in which lawyers , people's deputies entered the work, law enforcement agencies are involved,

mrs. vereshchuk was probably on the edge of her seat because of that, and we talked about these problems, and she expressed the nuances that arise in the legal field, in fact, this is necessary no one is underworking, well, a terrible number of 8,000 people in captivity, both military and civilian, if this is true, then well, for sure, it seems to me that he should be engaged in communication with the relatives of these people, not only gourmet, with all due respect, the military structure, the military is classified well, in general, it is semi-secret and that is right but also people from the same mintot subordinates of iryna vereshchuk must surely have some kind of hotline or information center where all the relatives of all the disappeared captured columns of people could contact at least to get at least some information about place of residence or about the status of your relatives. do you not think so, please? in my opinion, it is incorrect today to determine exactly which authorized body should deal with these matters. until now,

ms. about the information she provided by the decision of the top leadership of the state , it was accepted that today the main directorate of intelligence is engaged in this. it is really quite logical that the more classified structure and the structure to which civilians have less access. i am convinced that today it is not up to us to determine who exactly should do this work, but it is certain that this work should be more effective, it is certain that the relatives of civilians should know more information and have more information about how, where, exactly, what steps are taken, what is the possibility of return is communication possible because any secrecy in this matter is definitely

not beneficial, because the people who were captured today, unfortunately, they are subjected to abuse, i have no doubt here and those terrible facts of the video the facts that got into the internet today are probably unfortunately only a drop of what and how muscovites are behaving with our people today, i read in one post and it is probably in this and there is some essence that now we understand why the ukrainian insurgents of the ukrainian insurgent army in the second world war the war did not appear to be living muscovites and today, on the example of living ukrainians, we see the same moscovites with the same behavior with the same atrocities, so the more information comes out today , the more information today, relatives can receive information and access, then i am

convinced that the situation in society will be calmer, because the most important thing today is probably not to shout about this topic, the most important thing today is probably not what the unit is. i also read today on social networks that the problem is that we have always had traitors with collaborators and with those that we don’t punish them, i just read that a woman who was the director of the pechersk gymnasium of the 75th in kyiv and probably drained at least her, it is the positions of education in the occupation field that she is very she helped the occupiers, she drained entire positions, yes, she was released on bail, and in sumy, the court of her species also sentenced her to life imprisonment. the occupier who confessed that he killed a civilian on the border, in the first days, he was sentenced to life imprisonment, now he was replaced by 15 years. well, they softened it too . and of course, we don't comment on the decisions of the

courts, but like during the war. when we see the popularity of the book on the sidewalk, it has been allowed for 8 years after slavyansk, says mrs. mykhailo, we, as people's deputies, have created like me very much an effective tool, i.e. legislation that today allows a simplified version and regime of the prosecutor, investigators of the national police to conduct pre-trial investigations, to refer such criminal cases to court, if it is about treason, then there the investigative services of the security services of ukraine jesus also examines these cases in an accelerated mode. that is, we gave a tool that goes on the verge of violating human rights, but we understand that these are the conditions of martial law because of that question to the law enforcement officers, but there is another problem , in my opinion. so the president motivated personnel changes in

the security service and the prosecutor's office because there are a large number of collaborators, but there is an even greater number of collaborators on the queue who, as a whole, have gone from the police to the side of the occupier, the ministry of internal affairs. because of that, it seems to me that the quality is not low or the facts that you announced - this is the result of inactivity or impurity of law enforcement officers or some wanted to wave. you returned. mr. mykhailo mentioned the prosecutor's office. it turns out that in our country more than 600 employees of the prosecutor's office fled from ukraine under the time of the beginning of the war. this was reported by the prosecutor general andriy kostin, he signed an order to conduct an investigation into the employees of the prosecutor's office regions of ukraine to check who was where and how the premises of the

prosecutor's offices were protected, case materials, property. and most importantly, is there any information about the involvement of employees in collaborative collaborationist activities? stated to journalists and said the following regarding what has already been done in recent months, this notification of suspicion to five prosecutors and three civil servants have one case, only one has been referred to the court, work is ongoing regarding more than 600 employees of the prosecutor's office who crossed the border , an inspection is being conducted on each of them. how do you think it will end, how could 600 people be lying abroad in violation of well-accepted norms about the non-immigration of people of conscription age outside the country, was it not treason, please know, since 2019 we have been talking about the fact that moscow moles, collaborators are returning to the authorities, this was the process to which we first wanted to draw attention society then very often said that european

solidarity was waging a political struggle, that these were politically motivated statements, unfortunately it turned out to be not so . security of ukraine during this time returned to the kremlin coolies who undermined the state undermined the state from the inside very interesting was the investigation by the agency routers which described the situation around the chernobyl nuclear power plant power plant more than a year before. when the rashists entered and occupied the territory on which the chernobyl nuclear power plant is located , moscow agents were sent here and there to recruit those people who should have been responsible for protection, how then did these people

call the national guard unit of the national police and convinced them to surrender and not to defend the volume of the chernobyl nuclear power plant. that is, this is a very serious process that did not take place during one day or 1 week for more than three years, collaborators were sent to the state authorities and to the prosecutor's office, and the fact that during the war they went over to the side of the muscovites is an obvious fact. and today, it is not only necessary to investigate this fact. i would once again like to say very clearly to everyone who went to cooperate with the muscovites . people who, in the first days of the war, went to create partisan units in the carpathian forests 1,000 km from the front, or went to organize the defense of ukraine on the territory of poland, canada, or somewhere else, must confess

must answer as those who did not fulfill their official duties, because i cannot understand what cute employees of the prosecutor's office of the police security service left sumy in the first days of the war. at the time when the officials abandoned their official duties, left the city and left it to the muscovites, and the people organized themselves, and the people took up arms, and the people defended, therefore, it is impossible not to help and cannot be supported in the actions of the prosecutor general when he talks about the investigation and prosecution, the only thing that is surprising is that if he mentions the number of 600 prosecutors or officials who did not fulfill their official duties and cases were

opened against five, then it is probably insufficient efficiency and it is necessary to approach the performance of one's official duties more carefully, but the direction of activity is definitely correct. well, you mentioned about as not only chornobyl, but the director was also sitting there from the staff at energoatom, oleg boyaryntsev, he is a man who is an agent of russia, who was stationed at all nuclear plants. i think they should learn rivne and south ukrainian in khmelnytskyi. i was at the zaporizhzhia station. they say that the russian met the director with the words, welcome to the russian nuclear station. well, i wasn't there, i don't know. maybe it's not true in sumy those police chiefs who issued decrees about forced relocation or how they collected things there they still remain in their positions , only the head of the sbu was changed already after the change the head of the sbu, that's why everyone in their positions, these people protected the state of ukraine, that's why the leadership can now return to the law enforcement agencies about the

mandatory evacuation. let's talk about the mandatory evacuation of the population from the donetsk region. in social networks, she reported that there are photos, we can show them, iryna vereshchuk wrote that the mandatory evacuation from donetsk region had begun, the first train killed people in kropyvnytskyi, women, children, people this morning elderly many few mobiles everyone met and met everyone and resettled everyone helped everyone was written by iryna vereshchuk oleksandr pavlichenko with us executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights oleksandra we congratulate you good day once again please louder louder i would like to hear your opinion good day about mandatory evacuation, is such a procedure prescribed in ukrainian legislation at all, is it important or is it possible simply that minister of toterin

vereshchuk in his telegram seems to she wrote she simply made a mistake with the word " mandatory", they inserted an extra one. whether or not i'm wrong. well, of course, there is no mandatory evacuation of her. there is a forced evacuation, but there is no legal requirement for such a modality. and how then is it, er, to qualify it, er? violation of human rights or rescuing people and everything like that, or are we just now, uh, it all started, you included a lot of volunteers who say that uh, these are some kind of point evacuations, and there was no centralized placement of centralized information from the authorities all these months well, judging by the plot and reception, it is clear that this evacuation was planned and expected, materials were prepared even for those who arrived

, and when we talk about the evacuation strategy and the removal of the population from the territory of which pose a threat to life and health due to the military actions that take place in these territories, but here, nevertheless, our territories are not completely closed and there is no mandatory and compulsory because the obligation is also the nature of coercion of forced removal and forced evacuation it is the russian federation that is engaged in forced evacuation when people are actually abducted er well, we had such situations with mariupol , partly with the kherson region when people were taken to russia or areas of the donetsk region not controlled by ukraine, in particular, and they were already held there , they were taken through filtration camps er, i

repeat that er, this character of obligation and coercion er, it er, is not inherent and not present in the evacuation procedure itself, because evacuation is a decision of each specific person can she stay and stay in what status? can she be competent? maybe she will help other volunteers. she can remain just a civilian, er, a civilian who is er, trying to protect her property, her fortune, they are afraid that it will all be destroyed by someone else so many situations will be affected by this, and i can say that in 2014, when we visited these front-line areas of demarcation, even where

hostilities actually took place at that time and in 14-15 years civil the population still remained in some small numbers eh and it was also tied to the performance of some work, well, someone has animals left that he cannot abandon, it could be some domestic livestock eh even the same ones eh there are goats cows, other things, and people are simply attached to the territory, to the house, to the place of residence, and remain there, therefore, the question is about the planning of the evacuation process, about the offer to evacuate, and the possibility to evacuate, in full, the composition of the family there with including and er those, let's say, pets that can be it it is a really big task and today i understand that it has started to be carried out at

least in such a planned mode and we will see how planned it will be completely well, i do not doubt that it is voluntary, that is, the nature of coercion does not think that it was er-er er-er visible er-er this is an offer that is accepted by each of those who decide for themselves the question of whether to go to him or not, and of course weighing whether to save themselves or save property and accordingly the question is not always simple and everyone decides for himself independently in what way let's say that the answer to this question is whether to stay or go, and we saw that those who decided to escape arrived, well, forced evacuation is called deportation, as far as i know. maybe i'm wrong, mr. mykhailo, we need to somehow change the ukrainian legislation in order to improve it, i don't know. processes are more

legal. let's say it clearly. i agree that in our legislation there is no forced e-evacuation and it is definitely clear, but we have to talk about another thing and not everything in the open space is and information that is needed for the military, we must be aware that there are barbaric methods of our russians and russians who place military equipment near buildings for the elderly , boarding schools, just residential buildings, understanding that the ukrainian military will not use artillery where there are civilians, because of that, it also sometimes happens situations when a military officer asks vereshchuk her ministry to evacuate as many civilians as possible from one or another

territory, which e-e this evacuation gave an opportunity to attack or counterattack, our armed forces need to draw conclusions for each specific situation, but it is very important that every citizen who is displaced with the help or at the request of the authorities finds his new place of residence as a temporarily displaced person, this is the task of the authorities so that it does not happen that they are brought you in e-e offered to stay in some temporary premises of a school or other state institution and after that everyone forgot here that it is important that every citizen, and we are talking about people of a respectable age with disabilities, so that they find a new place temporary stay, everything else. i agree that such things cannot be done by force, but

all citizens who are in temporarily occupied territories should be aware of the risk to their lives . directions and it is important that our citizens of ukraine do not fall into danger there, mr. oleksandr yes, mr. oleksandr, what do you think should be changed in the ukrainian legislation in this regard? there are several categories of persons who are located in the territory of this territory, which is a risk zone, primarily these are persons who are vulnerable, that is, those who are in social care institutions, these are persons who have limited opportunities for movement,

for example, persons who need some kind of protection and that you are such a category of persons, it is necessary to make a decision on their transfer from the place of these hostilities , eh, as much as possible, so to speak, optimally, eh, taking them out of the shelling zone, because, unfortunately, we have testimonies and stories about that in individual such data eh took place and eh we will say so and combat actions eh on the territory of these institutions were and there were victims who eh suffered from it, well , you can remember the same crime eh and eh actually to avoid such repetitions eh in such situations, it is actually proposed to evacuate the population in a mandatory manner. i would say so in order to, firstly, not to put

people under attack, and secondly, because they are the responsibility of the state. makes decisions at the level of its bodies about what is safer and better relocate them to another, safer place, and then this character can have the character of, well, let's say it is mandatory, because those persons cannot make decisions on their own about the fact that they remain without the guardianship of the territory, which is also vulnerable , vulnerable, so they can to be, let's say, a victim of shelling and withdrawal of hostilities in such cases, here it is the duty of the state, of course , to get involved and help, this applies to children's homes, boarding schools, ferengological institutions, and of course, strong freedoms. thank you, sir oleksandre oleksandr e pavlichenko executive

director of the ukrainian rural union human rights agent e we have a few minutes left oleg synyutka you touched on the topic of sums and we often talked about the fact that well in particular sumy and you just sumy there one of the first to take on if trishki before the offensive, as i said, in the imprisonment of the president for a month, they knew for sure that penitentiary institutions, orphanages, yes, there are people with limited mobility , although we do not have many hospices there, but still somehow think about equipping it and taking it out these people could be. why only now, almost six months ago, on february 22, when we in the parliament demanded from european solidarity and our colleagues in the parliament to direct money to the army and implement measures to speed up the defense, then the authorities said that we were panicking and there was no need to disband rumors were also heard in

the parliamentary hall - they were heard in closed meetings. i am convinced that all these people sooner or later should have given an explanation why, instead of preparing the country for defense, they did not believe no intelligence officers of our partner countries no to the people 's deputies who spoke about it in the parliamentary hall and on the sidelines of the parliament, as for the current words about evacuation, i am convinced that ms. varishchuk or someone else from the authorities should have given more detailed explanations of what exactly the same thing happens somewhere, it must be because, well, in the understanding of a simple consumer of forced evacuation, a person came, gathered things, put her in a wagon and drove away. i would like someone to do something similar to what happened in ukraine, where these people

are taken is unknown again, mykhailo. how did it happen in our country that they had to take out children and the elderly? and you from the sbu from those territories and the police have some kind of trail er, discussion - which should be discussed right now during martial law, and there are things that should be discussed immediately after our joint victory, which will definitely be, and we pray to god and wish health to the servicemen that this happens as soon as possible, but it should definitely be a subject big investigations, why did this happen about the facts you are talking about and the facts when the head of the colony from the kherson region sounds the alarm, a week's time, let's take out the contingent because there is trouble and no one heard him in the center and these people who are citizens of ukraine stayed there there are currently temporarily occupied territories and many such

facts, but the problem, as far as i'm concerned, lies in the fact that those who have the authority to make decisions on them are big questions. did they not work on that side ? this is the worst thing. how do you see the resettlement of these people ? now you represent the west of ukraine, how should the state organize this, where to bring these people, you know, we have a large part of such premises that are already adapted for the stay of such people, whether we are talking about children's institutions, boarding schools or family-type ones, a lot of work is needed here of local authorities, i mean the military administrations, which have unlimited powers, it is necessary to deliver additional beds, complete or refurbish other premises so that these people are already in specialized e-e institutions

there is also another option, our international partners , especially our neighbors, the poles, and other states are ready to accept such people, we should not stop and work on it, lviv oblast has shown an example in this, we have a large number of children, and to this day there are children, and stryisky district of lviv and other districts of the eastern regions here the same applies to elderly people, we still have a place to place them, but the authorities must take care not only to bring and forget how to finance them, additional funding for maintenance, so that it is not at the expense of redistribution. and it is already a problem that someone does not have enough to share you have to deal with them correctly ole oleg seriously i won't tell you mentioned about the boarding school the rashists attacked the boarding school in the kramatorsk district, this is the city of mykolaivka, donetsk region, tonight, upon arrival at the scene of the call, it was determined that there was a fire. this

is what the boarding school looks like now on the second and third floors of the building of the specialized comprehensive boarding school, the school was almost completely destroyed and the fire fought like this at night, this is the story with ukrainian schools that were not evacuated internatu e p oleg synyutka people's deputy of ukraine mykhailo tsimbalyuk people's deputy of ukraine retired general of the ministry of internal affairs thank you for the discussion stay with espresso egor checherinda ivana valevska was with you for the last five hours news from iryna koval, it is very important in this difficult time to be aware of what is happening, we tell the news and help to understand the events, but the war can make adjustments if the broadcast signal is lost, watch espresso on the satellite now espresso has become available

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