er, brave deeds or brave visits from her stops us. even the fact that there are some such threats that they can shoot down the plane, how serious are these threats, how far are they supported by capabilities. let's say this because we heard reports that two chinese aircraft carriers to taiwan there and at the same time the carrier group er er ronald reagan er er same er same heading to to this point look really really i think if intercept the plane i wouldn't say shoot down yeah let's not talk yet to the extreme case, but er, i think the chinese are armed with , in principle, russian or modernized russian versions of su marquis aircraft, they can 27 yes yes yes yes yes they can intercept the plane yes they can intercept it er hello they can

intercept it they can don't let him take the route he wants, but on the other hand, here and american planes should most likely create a security corridor along which dust, a vacuum cleaner plane can follow to taiwan, and in fact, if the planes say yes, well, the planes know when turns on. radars are turned on to attack, that is, those planes are tracking and of course they can react. then it will not be a battle for taiwan, it will be like that. contact him again. because, as always, i would like to start the continuation of my thoughts in the most interesting place. and, what is interesting, if my observations of my

bubble in facebook, somehow more people, more ukrainians, began to be interested in this situation with taiwan. e-e international politics and everything that happens in the world before, ukrainians have always lived for themselves, here we are, we are our country, and the rest is there. what is there, somewhere far away, it does not concern us, oleksiy, you are in touch with us, and uh, i would like to hear the continuation of that your opinion on which we broke up well, i'm done , in fact, i said that i don't believe that she will be killed because it was really a reason for war at the time, but the situation is very tense . so very tough on the nerves and the chinese would pull china the americans are pulling the chinese tiger's whiskers and want to see the reaction, that is, if at the last moment she turns away. let's say if the visit does not even take place, then all these preparations that

china has already made. to say excessive excessive fears of china because of this visit, actually what is happening in general now in politics between the chinese and washington, that is, we saw that biden , becoming president, despite some criticism there trump's steps, in fact, it seems that they only sent a policy of sanctions and, uh, some kind of trade war with china, well, that is, what is going on here? well, actually, recently, between uh, biden and syzin, and it was in this conversation that it was about what uh, and about pilozi. things were going on and china warned that such a visit would not take place, but biden very clearly then said that well, for example, it was not said that the united states

would cancel the tariffs. china is constantly challenging and it is not just economic challenges, because they are actually two of the biggest partners, but these challenges are even in education, they are challenges, cultural expansion and so on . that they will fight back on all fronts against, let's say, growth or chinese influence, and i think that the visit to the poles is precisely the testimony. biden was also in asia a month ago, and he also very clearly said that the united states will help and protect taiwan. and here arpios went, in fact, the second visit is possible with a visit to taiwan. she is also preparing for the elections in the united states, which will be held in the fall, and for the democrats, let's say, they have

a very weak position. i think that this visit is just right for the democrats. to show that they are also stylish, that they are also actually in the trumpian style, is it possible for anyone to even have a role or in such a way of acting shows that they can also defend american interests, that is, both sides are here came together in such a very er harsh confrontation , without that i am asking here icons from the british er where icons they actually made two such interesting forecasts very forecasts - and beijing actually demonstrates these differences, it is connected with the understanding that for china there is a possible window of opportunity, it is measured in years, maybe decades, and if china wants to make

a big geopolitical stake, then it must act well, in connection with the fact that, after all, well, the second point is related to the fact that, uh, the opinion of the economist was also expressed that it is possible that china is the country that will be most affected by the war between ukraine and russia, since it would greatly this is actually due to lobist politics, and today many countries are reviewing their attachment to china as a potentially dangerous partner. are these the factors that further determine the movement of china and , in particular, its position regarding ukraine's war with russia how will they define, as he says, a neutral position? yes, i would call it pro-russian neutrality. because basically everything they say, they basically play along with russia, and

instead, see the danger of this situation in the fact that china can really develop only in a favorable environment in a non-conflict environment, i.e. when the surrounding countries are also interested in development, and china trades with them and benefits from this, when there are conflicts, china loses, china loses, and now the ukrainian economy he lost as it is, i'm talking with us. china was the largest trading partner before the war with a turnover of 15 billion dollars. this is not a lot for the chinese, but what is it here? for us, this is a significant turnover for us. it was and really is. china will suffer losses, most likely if the whole environment will be unfavorable , the conflict will continue and asia will also be taken over, so china will close in on itself more and focus on its own domestic market, and it is also very large, one and a half billion people, on the other hand, it will no longer be so influential on

international because the arena of truth is that all his ideas for the development of trade, the coexistence of different countries with different systems for the sake of development, they are all failing, and not only because of the usa, namely through russia, russia is the first to strike at the chinese concepts of globalization, i.e. and china itself must understand very clearly that the united states was not the country that gave this blow, but russia that destroyed it actually started this global instability, which it did not hide that it wants to start sowing chaos in this world which china is not needed at all oleksiy and regarding this, my observation of my friends on facebook who began to actively write posts about taiwan, maybe someone there found out

that there is something like that on the globe that there may be some kind of conflict there. if we talk about ukraine, china is somewhere there, we are somewhere here, but the united states, in all this, we receive help, both financial and military, from the united states of america, and accordingly, some kind of direction in another direction. this will hinder ukraine military support or financial support or the united states is enough for everyone, so to speak, i think my position is that it is normal for us in which the united states will be involved because, unlike ukraine, biden clearly said that the united states will be directly involved in this conflict and we are even now we can see that a whole aircraft carrier group has already been sent there. and these are several thousand soldiers and

several dozen strike planes. that is, this is a completely different group. moreover, america is the supplier of weapons to taiwan, and taiwan has all these american weapons that we would only want for ourselves. but in the event of a conflict, i think the focus will shift from ukraine to asia , precisely to the americans, because for them it is closer to the periphery and there are more of their interests, that is, in the event of a conflict, where do they directly come from? with china, even if it will be limited, for example, only to the maritime maritime component, it is still for china for america and this is a more important conflict than the confrontation in ukraine because it directly affects its interests, its security, the pacific cossack the region and actually briefly if possible, but i think that it is important, uh, lesya actually said that we often do not understand well, we can fall

into the specifics of relations there, for example, taiwan, china, and so on, but well, for example, i read today in a very solid ukrainian publication excellent on which i am even a subscriber, why is there such a phrase that they have been saying since 1949, it seems that taiwan is not under the rule of beijing even the united nations nations as a sovereign state, namely taiwan, was considered to be the official representative of the chinese government. well, of course, but this is already history, let's say so, really look, if we are talking about the history of the people's republic of china, the people's republic of china, then taiwan was never formally included, but all the countries of the world , including ukraine and even the usa, they recognize that taiwan is an integral part of china, despite the fact that there is another government there, nationalists or democrats, and now in power, that is,

precisely in the territory. that is, we accept this the concept is chinese, that now it is a single china, yes , that is, the concept of a single china. but unlike, for example, ukraine, the united states is also developing military cooperation with taiwan, while ukraine, for example, can develop cultural cooperation and economic cooperation, this is not prohibited. but it is precisely political relations with it is forbidden by the authorities in taiwan, because here then a choice arises, either you already have relations with taiwan or you have roads from china, we still have. i think there will be time to make this choice in due time. e koval joined us e actually e china connoisseur and we talked a little about this visit expected vacuum cleaners soon soon the plane will most likely already be in taiwan e-e meticulous viewers and sculpulosis are probably also following

how that plane flies and a minute ago they wrote that 21 there is a minute left until the plane lands, so everything is calculated, everything is known, everything is monitored, and our ether is also actually already flying over the sea, according to it, already over the sea, e-e, escorted, in particular, probably by the aircraft carrier group of the united states, well, and already with us petro chernyk, a military expert, joins me, i hope , mr. peter, mr. peter. good day to you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. glory to ukraine. well, let's talk about the latest news and there are reports that the russians are withdrawing troops from the north of donetsk region and transferring them to zaporozhye. they are also withdrawing troops and transferring them to kherson region. direction, what does this indicate, uh, what opportunities are opening up here for ukraine, what is happening in the kherson region, from

what we can say, this indicates that the enemy is serious about potential counteroffensive actions, the prerequisite for which was primarily along the right bank of the dnieper , however, since there are so many guests in this topic, a lot of attention has already been paid to the fact that somewhere the enemy is acting in this spirit is evidence that the enemy is not going to give up every piece of the occupied territory and in my opinion, a great and difficult battle for the liberation of the right bank of the dnieper awaits us ahead. offensives are actually still quite far away, and you don’t support them. and you say that they are far away. why do you make such assessments, please explain very simply, everything is incredibly simple, in order to really organize large counter-offensives in turn,

you need to make a threefold advantage over the enemy in manpower. let ’s let's be honest, in my opinion, this is now an inappropriate conversation. in principle and in fact, in the end, you can collect the entire giant steel fist of everything that is in ukraine, that is, with all our strength, everyone as such, it is calculated somewhere before throw a million people in one direction, i have to remind our viewers that an offensive is always a big loss, but a person fights, not a machine, and it is always a big loss and to knock the enemy out of our territory. but i also have to remind them that there are 145 million of them and their mobilization resources it is calculated within 15 million people, this is a lot , in a year or two they will have a

norm , a new army. of all the rhetoric that sounds like the turning point is here it will come tomorrow i do not share this opinion, on the contrary, he claims that the turning point is still quite far away, in my opinion, only the end of august, the beginning of september, i could be wrong in the end, we will have enough fire phenomena in the first line of rocket systems of salvo fire and a sufficient number of artillery and possibly even aviation to just start creating large fire shafts like otaki, and they still need to be done for at least a month and only somewhere in mid-october we may have some prospects for a counteroffensive. why was he so categorical? he was sure of one simple truth. moscow 's imperialism is not going to give up on the destruction of the ukrainian state. this is exactly the goal they set before themselves. defeat in ukraine is death to them. well, they

understand everything well, mr. petre, actually. this rhetoric that you mention appeared not yesterday, and it is also supported by representatives of the ukrainian authorities or spokesmen there, and it also affects expectations, particularly in the west. for example, i had to read i have to read quite a lot of evaluations in the western media, as well as the fact that this is what the poles say is a gaussian war. battle for battle for kherson. what if ukraine cannot demonstrate in the near future that we have a date for major counteroffensive operations, such as the capture of the regional center under such what is kherson? here it will reduce the belief that ukraine as a whole is capable of fulfilling the stated goals in this war to win by entering the administrative borders before the beginning of the

russian invasion, how should we be here because we really then let's go to this battle at any price, which you actually warn against, which you are not popular and who will not like it, but as an expert, i have never said what the audience wants to hear, on the contrary , i express only those views as i see this huge geopolitical picture of the world. i do not quite agree with the fact that our allies have too high expectations from us, you know, we will remind you, after all, we stopped the second army of the world. well, this is the reality. by the way, this phenomenon will still have to be considered by military historians for the moment on the front line, a kind of military equilibrium is being formed and it has been going on for several months, the enemy has not been able to achieve the declared goals even in the

southeast . to transnistria, so i would say somewhere that our allies are waiting for big actions. at the same time, in my opinion, i could be wrong again. we have no right to fall into two deadly illusions because it will actually destroy us, we need to talk about it openly victory is about to come everyone is tired i am also tired and i want peace and live happily in a prosperous country and the second is that the enemy has run out of resources only sober realism will help us win this war and why i i stand so firmly on this position, knowing a little about our bad history of relations with this huge monster, i have my own concept , there are absolutely victories, the first division of russia into 15-20 states, there are no nuclear weapons in any of

states, some kind of russian republic is formed, no more than a million square kilometers, no more than 50-60 million people live there, and we are joining nato, and let's look at this through the prism of the real christy, approximately soberly, and ask ourselves the question, will it all happen quickly? well, how about to me , the answer is obvious, no, it will not be supported, it is possible to define more than that, then the priority tasks are looming, because for us, the priority task may in such a case be joining nato, which guarantees us our own survival in this very long history of the war of independence was, was, and will be a euro since i was a young cadet, when i was just starting to get a military education. with the sole purpose of destroying

ukrainian statehood without ukraine without ukrainians , the latest on where the empire is impossible in principle and in essence, you can read a lecture on this topic, why so, which will take many hours of broadcasts, it cannot be in another way, until carthage falls, then until it collapses, we will not breathe our last breath. it is time to finally learn the cruel lessons of history. we have forgotten the batuner from baturin in 1708. we have forgotten him. how makhno beheaded wrangel and then the bolsheviks beheaded makhno. we forgot the holodomor, a genocidal action that simply does not fit on the head and there are no examples in history. we forgot the luansk prison. we forgot the bullpen. sober up together and understand that the enemy is real and real and understand that he is vile

without rules and that he is a predatory beast that wants to destroy us, and if we soberly evaluate all these things , a simple question arises: is it possible to achieve success literally in a few days? assessments from the very beginning of the war that everything will happen a few weeks ago and in the future i will insist on my basis which i declare to be the truth very sober restrained optimism thank you, mr. peter, even psychologists say not to plan victory day for any a specific day because that's how a person is going to think that it will come before my birthday then independence but not a deadly illusion thank you for this actually such a very diagnosis petro chernyk was with us a military expert and an officer of the armed forces of ukraine well oleg katkov, chief editor of defense express, let's talk with him about

how this new batch of western weapons in ukraine will change the situation at the front. we welcome you as you are invited. oleg, well, there was a military expert before you. who said that more is needed more ukrainian forces, but you. if there are more weapons, how will it change the situation, or is it possible to carry out a counteroffensive with those weapons, again, that is, let's just be objective in front of ourselves and be honest . which actions in the offensive are much more difficult than in the defense, that is, they are more difficult not only according to the statute , when according to soviet norms it is about the need to achieve a three-fold advantage over the

enemy . - what an offensive operation, any counteroffensive operation, it is much more difficult, it requires much more effort and it will lose more. that is, it must be understood at the same time with regard to weapons, if we take the weapons that are handed over to us, now they solve problems that allow us to deter the enemy, that is, deter he carries out quite effectively whether he cared about the objects and did well to buy his advantages because no one overruled the advantage of the russian federation as his number of defense vehicles so his it is the same with any other type of weaponry , and no country in the world can supply ukraine with as much weaponry as it has in the

russian federation, and multiply it by at least three. that is, we are already implementing it, that is, we are finding ways that allow us to catch the russian federation is on the wrong side, that is, for example, we are currently observing exactly this situation in the kherson region. that is , we cooperated with its advantage in manpower in weapons by compromising its stable logistical support. that is, there really is prerequisites for certain active actions, but to talk about the fact that the weapons that have already been placed on us are enough for such determined ones, well, it’s just that everyone dreams about it. well, it is really the dream of most ukrainians to see such large-scale dismembering strikes by the armed forces of ukraine, but there are these are the things, but there is a pragmatic path that the armed forces of ukraine are currently taking. these are the fuel measuring actions, which are probably just different from what we want , why are we

dreaming ? it seems so, what is there in it, how do we evaluate it, and there we have specialized packages, and if i am not mistaken, it is far from the fifth, that is, it is generally like this, it is supposedly current news there, well , they transferred 550 well, weapons for 550 million, that is , it’s just like that, it’s wounded. here’s half a billion dollars for armaments, what is included in this package, officially declared only 75,000 artillery shells in the caliber of 155 mm and an unspecified, unnamed number of highmars, but knowing the amount, knowing how many costs 155 per weapon mm caliber, then according to approximate calculations, we are talking about more than 3,000 high-precision jamala rs missiles for the high-mars and msm-270 systems. that is, this is an extremely large number, because these missiles were supplied not only now, they have been supplied together with high-mars since the beginning of summer, which means that the next package, that is,

to understand even the volume of 550 million dollars, the current budget of ukraine for 20-21 years for the purchase of all weapons, starting from the cartridge and ending abstractly with the neptune or the high-precision vika was about 1 billion dollars. and here we just have another a package there for once every two weeks. here's half a billion for you , it's just to understand how strong and large-scale the aid is, uh, today there was uh, another intercepted conversation of the occupier with his mother , although according to his russian language, she is very similar to the russian one they speak in donbas, because it is characterized by the fact that there is no g a g and that soldier complains. well, how does he complain to his mother , he tells his mother that the ukrainian army is actually the ukrainian army, the second strongest in the world, and not the russian one. and what she gives them a scratched ot with that with

with that new batch of western weapons that we can still hear the intercepted conversations well, i think that the further we go, the more conversations the occupiers themselves will have, because what is the peculiarity of, for example, the same haimars , the missile's flight speed is just above sonic. that is, it is high, exactly at sonic the weapon says pay according to the testimony of a few swings, that is, about for you to understand that what is the right way to say time for conversations when in the e-e it was supposed to fly by law, high-precision projectiles in general, in general, in general, there are fewer and fewer weapons there and less and less, that is, if you take it in general, in principle, in the whole government of interceptions, then well, if you start there from march, then the level of hopelessness that prevails in the russian army simply multiplies , that is, to well, it is simply completely stupid. sorry, but

what is happening in ukraine in the ukrainian the land is waiting for them only to become a good fate. well, olena , finally, i will ask what his defense minister of the so-called russia has said that they have already destroyed four more faymars in ukraine, shot down another 40 planes and that there are also, in my opinion, a bunch of harpoons together too already destroyed, what do you think about it, why is it, i have no confirmation or evidence, as usual , but by the way, the ukrainian command replied that no farmer has been damaged so far. well , what’s more, processes are also being talked about in the pentagon, and in general, the statement of the general staff of the russian the federation is just that, it's probably already some category of stand-up artists, because, for example, they illustrate the destruction of two brakemen by the fact that a rocket hits the second floor of a building. well, i understand everything

there. well, hmm, how is he opposite her ? it's just that a healthy person can show something like that if the hi-mars are on the second floor of the building where they were. no, it's unreal, it's like destroying a transport charging machine for hi-mars, which does not exist in nature, that is, they are even the nomenclature of the western weapons do not know , but what is the essence of these statements with us, they will expand, they will expand in the russian federation itself, that is, the russian federation, of course, there is a ghost citizen applauding this, he does not have any critical thinking about such applications, they are long sun the earth spins around to take, as it were