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wars where china will most likely be an unreliable partner for the countries of the so-called golden billion and they will take away investments little by little anyway, reduce their trade and some kind of dependence on the partner, that is, the level of partnership with china, and this will mean that for such a leader as all those who are e- is quite aggressive and has certain nationalist views, he will also understand that the window of opportunity for china may shrink in the coming years and this may push him to some radical and not unfounded no no good no good no considered actions, although this is not characteristic of china, as a country with a certain political culture. well, what do you say about this? it is absolutely true. i think that the probability of such actions, which are not
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logically justified and calculated enough, increases because it is signed around. i ask, for example, in according to the assessments of the chinese security channels with whom i recently spoke, they say that in fact for china, cooperation in the world is deteriorating. china's image is increasing significantly . they are strengthening the old ones and will sit down and create new alliances around the chinese and so on, but for the chinese, of course, not at all, not quite good quality . some people's republic could absolutely know the taxes of the russian federation at the beginning of the war , because well, there are several identifiers in this that cannot directly talk about it, it is possible, let's say , the calculation of everyone from the side in the capture of ukraine there in 3 days or 10. and he became -e and
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miscalculation on the part of the chinese side, which would like the fact that the russian federation could effectively carry out such an operation in relation to the fact that part of, let's say, the countries of the big countries of big business , i am quite skeptical about investing in the chinese software republic. i think this trend is taking place and it exists because that even according to the results of the discussion with german colleagues, they say that more and more german companies are beginning to ask themselves questions, such as we lost, we paid attention to the federation that we underestimated it let's say inadequacy and currently we have a society that is possible in five in 10 years we will have serious loss fractions due to the failure of our assessments regarding the chinese people's republic and therefore the point of view regarding the need for the so-called coupling which means separation the business of withdrawing business from
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china is getting stronger and stronger, and the point of view that geopolitics cannot be separated from the economy, as it was for several years , because when even countries, let's say, that had no very good political relations er developed economic relations quite effectively that is why the situation in the world is deteriorating it is becoming more complicated it is polarizing this means that the country um has to articulate more er clearly its position in relation to other countries and this also affects the number of well, thank you, and the head of the section of the asia-pacific region of the new geoplastics resort network was with us, uh, next , we will uh, tell about the ship, maybe they were watched like the one on which nensipalos was flying and but nevertheless, in ukraine, they were definitely worried about this ship, which finally arrived in turkey, and
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today it should be inspected by representatives of ukraine, russia, turkey, and the un. what 's in that ship ? editor to inspect, we will now ask why this inspection is important and what is the general fate of 27 more ships waiting to go and bring the cargo to where it is needed and in turkey they say that one ship can be accepted if if every day god willing, everything will be fine this operation will last a whole month. it will probably take longer. bohdan ustimenka , director of the ukrainian institute of maritime law and security is with us. congratulations. how do you assess now ? this is the first stage. did you feel a little
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relieved yesterday, in particular, when you found out that already the vessel is radzoni, that's right, it is already in the territorial waters of turkey. well, first of all, i would like to say that the vessel has already passed the inspection check. the inspection check was carried out by four parties. that is, it is representatives of the united nations organization of turkey, russia and ukraine, and now it is ready to follow to lebanon, this is the first, the second, well, i think that this is quite an important step. although you can say that one ship per day, as my colleague rightly said, that is, it is, well, quite small, let's say the volume compared to the fact that it is necessary to
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export about 8 million tons per month , and one ship, it will be plus or minus. well, this ship which e-e passed the inspection, it e-e carries on board only 26 e-e 26 26,000 tons. that is, you can calculate it easily, which is a very small percentage of the fact that 40, 40 such ships or 40 flights. but only a million so that they are waiting for the export of about 20-25 million tons of grain, this is what was accumulated in 2021, we are not even talking about the current ones for 2022. that is, in fact, there are still huge questions ahead, how much is this the mass e-e movement of ships will actually begin
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a question that we asked yesterday, in particular, to the deputy minister. he said that it is a little too early to talk about it, mustafa nayem. well, we still have more than 20 ships that are currently in odessa for loading, 26 commercial vessels that were loaded back in february in february and they are waiting for the exit from the ports, that is, the biggest thing is that it will stretch, because accepting each other for a day is one thing, another matter. what else is the russian side that we cannot trust 100% either, you know. we can not trust the russian side even for one percentage, taking into account the behavior and the general non -treaty capacity of this state 300 and the aggressor. it is common knowledge that we will say that, at the same time, russia is forced to adhere to the
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signed agreements, which in fact they will not say that they do not specify the responsibility of the parties for non-fulfillment of the terms of these agreements also, these agreements are not provided with, let's say, military escort , that is, in fact, no military convoys are provided for by this agreement, at the same time, the russian federation, as it seems to me, is controlled by with its two needs. well, the first need, taking into account the fact that the initiators of these so -called istanbul agreements were the united nations , as well as turkey, in particular erdogan himself, of course, the russian federation does not want to complicate its relations with turkey now, because, as we
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know, according to the convention montrio turkey actually has the keys to the black sea the russian federation makes a lot of flights every day from its ports to other ports in the world it sends by sending tankers that it loads which are respectively loaded with energy carriers, this is, firstly, secondly, turkey. it can completely block the paths of russian warships in the future , and not only now. that is, we know that now the bosphorus and dardanelles are actually closed for military shipping. er, as such, that is, taking into account these, these, this, this combination of
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factors, the russian federation is forced to fulfill these agreements. moreover, it is purely informational and psychological, they want to show the whole world that after all, it is possible to negotiate with them there, they have some agreements there can uh perform and so on, although well, they have already repeatedly demonstrated their faces stained with war crimes. that is, well, i think that everyone understands that this is only a forced step by the russian federation to adhere to these agreements for now. of many african countries. i understand that the first one is actually a cargo. it is likely that all regions are sent, that is, i understand that for these countries, for the governments of the countries, in principle, the options are not so they need a lot of this grain, they need these, these products are ukrainian, you are absolutely right
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, what's more, right now, a merchant ship has left turkey, which is heading to the ports of greater odesa precisely for the purpose of loading ukrainian grain, that is, let's say, the market - with caution, very well, the market, i mean the maritime market, that is, with caution , er, positively perceived these istanbul agreements and the fact that they actually began to work. that is , it seems to me that i have hope that the istanbul agreements will be to work at least some the time is very difficult to predict what day or month or year or more, but if russia at some point wanted to interfere with this transport corridor, how would they do it? i understand that just an attack of the
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merchant ships themselves - that's enough, well, such a step, which would cause it to become tough again, i don't know what kind of reaction it is in the world. reputation, including there and in the asian region in the african region regarding the technical capabilities to carry out attacks on e-e su- ship a-a or there grain caravans or port infrastructure the russian federation has more than enough capabilities, in particular, it has anti-ship missiles e-e including land-based and sea platform carriers, they have calibers and malachites,
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there are a lot of weapons, in particular, newer ones or even soviet ones, as well as aircraft, which carriers , rocket carriers, bombs, and so on, that is, they are in principles they can technically, i'm not talking politically, but technically they can interrupt the implementation of these agreements, well , in fact, at any convenient time for themselves , at the same time, i am convinced in principle that they will not do this at this stage, yesterday i spoke with a journalist at that time, this vessel was already in the territorial waters of turkey. and she said that the eyes well, there is a fear of provocation. take place during its inspection, what kind of inspection is it, what are they checking, what are they afraid of, how can they
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arrange any provocations during the inspection, you know the algorithm of the inspection of the war of inspection checks, it has already been worked out, if previously it was implemented by all four parties as yours as far as i understand that is happening uh, let's say yes, certain conditional scanning of the cargo that is floating may also be searching the premises uh, where is the crew , as well as the ship as a whole, at the same time i would like to turn your attention to the fact that a relatively short period of time passed between the notification of the start of the inspection and its end. if i'm not mistaken, it was only about four hours
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. er, in the period of time, it is possible that the following vessels can er, be inspected even in a shorter period of time, let's say, so what they are looking for well, of course, first of all, they are looking for weapons , that is, maybe some other prohibited prohibited objects, let's say so at the same time. i think that what goods are prohibited to be exported there, or there, i don't know, there are weapons from ukraine, we do n't have enough of them there, uh, that is, i mean, what are they looking for there? on the analogue of customs procedures, uh, i'm so-so, i so-so think somehow , somehow so, mr. bohdan well, first there were boris
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johnson, and then there were other stories about what we know, and there is already vadim prystaiko about it, it is known that it's easy for great britain right now, the training of ukrainian sailors on british ships continues, which will then be transferred to ukraine. what kind of ships are these and what do we expect from them? i would like to say a few sentences about the history of this issue. well, in fact, in the summer of 2021 , the morning the agreement between great britain and ukraine states that this agreement contains several points, in particular, they are aimed at the fact that britain helps us in the construction of the main naval base in the black sea, as well as the construction of eight small ships and still very much
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such a weighty point that britain will give e-e missile weapons and also transfer e-e two e-e mini e against e against against minesweepers this is exactly this exactly these as far as i know this is exactly these two mini minesweepers will be transferred to be handed over to ukraine in the near future, at the same time i would like to disappoint you a little, as i already mentioned , in fact, military shipping was limited very significantly by turkey, that is, how will these anti- mintral ships enter the black sea waters and reach the ukrainian ones, well, that’s it for now at the same time, this issue can be resolved
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diplomatically, and i hope that it will be, well, but at least the question is if they arrived safely, even if turkey gives its approval, yes , because the factor of the russian fleet is also nowhere, no, no, it does not disappear, of course, of course, that the russian federation is again after all, this is theoretical. i'm not saying that it will be like that. of course, the russian federation will be able to sink these ships, since they are small , they do not have, let's say, enough capacity to defend themselves theoretically, of course the russian federation. it can even sink these small ships with torpedoes from a submarine. that is, it is necessary to carry out a very, very large preliminary work in order for these ships. they reached their destination and began to demine mined coastal waters, yes. thank you mr. bohdan bohdanovych, director of the ukrainian institute
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of maritime law and security, was with us, and now kira rudyk, people's deputy of ukraine and first deputy head of the verkhovna rada's committee on issues of digital transformation, as well as the head of the party voice welcome to ukraine glory to the heroes glory to the heroes mrs. kiru i will then start with such a question, it's not just a question, if you allow me right away, there is uh, we actually already mentioned uh, an american journalist and laureate of the police award, yes yes, three times thomas friedman, who generally wrote about china. but there he has a phrase about the fact that the relationship between biden and zelenskyi is not at all as trusting as we are told, and it is probably also a bit of a mystery polishinelya, but uh, the question is that
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all the russian mass media have already played it up right away, we understand that it is always a question of that weak spot that the russians are hitting, it is just a question of bad trust, the houses have already reacted, even kissing, they have reacted without actually refuting it but he said that they respect and respect them there and so on . the question is that the material also turned out to be very interesting. it seems to me that it is interesting that there is a sign on ukrainian pravda. corruption in ukraine, which also writes about the fact that vital things such as the supply of, for example , hymars, or high-precision weapons directly depends on this simple question of trust between the biden administration and the ukrainian, well , the zelensky administration - this administration should call things their own and e- accordingly, there are
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questions and issues, in particular, of control over these weapons, for example, because this is also a question for you, by the way, because we were promised, as it were, that we would have this control over weapons according to standards nato, but there is no digital support for this, for example , we still have this publication right now, because this is daria kalyniuk, er, our director of the anti-corruption center, daria kaletnyk, you said and this is important because she is er, a person who has a good understanding of this issue and and he actually says that ukraine could receive much more weapons. if there was more trust in the american government in the ukrainian state, they did not mention the fact that in our country, too, this is being created. they say that this monopoly agency will be created. and the people who will sell weapons and the people who will lead it despite the fact that these are people close to
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yarmak and his father and the history of the sale of contraband weapons during yanukovych's time does not stink of anything good. what to do with this trust, how to actually convince the american government that we don't want to do any shuher-muher here and why do we need this naftolin from yanukovych's time, a certain denis sharapov with a bad reputation, eh, well, let's start with the question the government's trust in the government is always a very shaky issue because the government consists primarily of people, each of them has its own reputation, there are victories, there are defeats, and there are some agreements, misunderstandings, uh, that's why uh, now we get weapons not only
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on trust the government to the government or specifically biden to zelenskyi and on the trust of the military to the military public activists who come and tell that they, uh, that they take responsibility for the fact that the weapons will be used as transparently as possible politicians who come and they say, we will do everything from our side, please give us a loan of trust so that now we as a country can withstand and win, we promise that we will take the fastest and most decisive steps possible in order to fight against the potential of the aunt, now the moment is such that this is a personal faith and e from the very beginning of the war, we all said that it is critical. it is important not to give the opportunity to doubt either those who give us financial aid, people, donors from all over the world, or those who give us aid to the army, if
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the volunteers cope with the financial aid very well, well, you see how transparent volunteer work is now being conducted, regular reports, and it seems to me that there was no scandal related to the national or inefficient use of funds that the whole world is giving us now. we have only one way out, only one. it is really important to implement a noble system of arms control, and this must be done not only in order to maintain the trust of our partners, it is necessary first of all for us, because if these weapons it doesn't go where it's meant to. so where does it go? where do they sell it? well, if they sell it, something even happens. it's hard to imagine that it could be something good for our country , right? and now, for each unit, we we wish not only that she did not reach the front and
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helped our boys and girls to defeat the enemy as effectively as possible, because it was as cynical as possible to use weapons for the wrong purpose, for each unit there is a huge diplomatic struggle and you can only imagine the negotiation of the forces of emotions -e and e are different diplomatic work is being carried out so that one imax was sent to ukraine and delivered to the front and became part of our armament, so i have these questions when our international partners ask them. there is always only one answer. we do our part, it is possible. i would like to remind you that we are not part of the government, we are a party that works as a team of ukraine, but inside the country we currently do not have such control over the processes, and
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it is very important that he appear , a temporary investigator registered in the verkhovna rada the commission headed by the growing peace member of the voice faction, but we also know that temporary investigative commissions as a tool can be both very effective and maximally meaningless, for example, do you remember the temporary investigative commission on the case of the wagnerites, which eventually came to to the point that it wasn't a special operation, i don't remember. it was some absolute trash, but that it wasn't a special operation, but a special task or something like that. well, it's terrible, but we can't repeat such efficiency in we already have a completely new, different life and i really hope that uh, our uh, monomajority, which is in the majority represented in this temporary investigative commission, that it, well, will also do its job
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, the next question, in fact, before that, we talked about the fact that the first ship with ukrainian uh, well, no with grain, actually, and with ukrainian corn, it has already passed the inspection of several countries and an international one, and then it will probably go to tripoli, it is a great success, so far we can see that this is an agreement, and somehow the grain is working, what is your assessment, what, uh, will we be able to can we actually earn the money we need and including to protect the world from this food crisis eh about money when they talk about the amount of 10 billion dollars that we get from the sale of grain eh i want to refute this figure because this is money that producers,
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agrarians, and ukraine receive only taxes and jobs from this, this is also important, but you need to understand that these sums will be much smaller than the documents of this volume. huge step i it is very good that the export is unblocked , it will give us the opportunity to continue functioning as a state from the point of view of the economy, but i have not yet heard clear security guarantees from any of our allies. what will happen if something happens in russia will move and they will start attacking our ports and our ships will work, won't it be like that, or won't we be in a situation where the grain that is currently stored in the odesa port was a protection for this port, or won't the situation turn out that, uh,
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russia is deliberately preparing will prepare certain provocations, we do not have an answer to that, and this is a very important critical question, because i understand very well what the un will gain from this agreement. agreements but i don't see the guarantees that we ukrainians should have in order to feel safe about the fact that in fact our ports are open now magazines obviously this is the risk we have to take now to go with the vlach is a question of why not allies who could provide us with additional guarantees, that is the big question mark that until now, you know, it hangs
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over the odesa port with such an invisible sign, that is, what prevented what prevented such guarantees. if everyone says it, you have to trust russia we have to take risks. i don't understand what risks. where am i now? the united nations organization. i don't see what risks turkey and russia are taking. we are the only ones taking risks, and that is dangerous because if we agreed to an agreement without security guarantees for grain, then the next step will be an attempt to impose an agreement on us without security guarantees, which will apply to our territories, this is mine, i share with you my greatest fears, and actually, just by the way, they talked about it again and told putin that we want to sit down again peace and actually the negotiations in istanbul show that it is possible to negotiate with the panicker thank you very much for this conversation, unfortunately we simply do not have time to give the floor to the same person on the news what was freed up in
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an hour while we were here talking about various topics and actually what

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