in the morning, through a concussion, my happiness that i survived after such a thing came to my heart. first, the border guard was operated on in the chernihiv hospital, and then they were sent to kyiv to remove a fragment from the man's heart. the doctors were surprised how viktor managed to survive, to which he replied: you need to live, you still need to serve, the story of the man is an irrepressible combatant they say in spirit that you cannot understand what freedom is until you lose it, they can beat us only because we are ukrainians, it reminds me of a movie about hostages from the house they came from, address they it's just that they kidnapped you. let's

tie you by the hand and knead it by the head. it's like a boa constrictor. i don't know what's better when a rocket flies into your house. or when you're put against the walls in some basement, what's happening in kherson is very difficult . show with footage because all the horrors and all that silent terror all happen in basements if you are allergic to the drug cetrin, it doesn't matter what kind of pet you have, what flowers you like or what your children secretly eat, these are three things, well, it's important to block allergic receptors and protect the body from an allergic reaction already after 20 minutes, this three acts in the allergy center if the pain puts you in an

uncomfortable position finance, insurance, of course, online glory to ukraine, this program is the verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to everyone, today is the 161st day of ukrainian resistance to the russian occupiers, the russians continue to inflict strikes on peaceful cities of ukraine, destroying civilian infrastructure and houses, at the same time last day , the armed forces of ukraine destroyed six tanks, 8 armored combat vehicles, three artillery systems and one drone, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports that the enemy

suffered the greatest losses in the bakhmut and donetsk directions with the beginning of a major war the russians have already lost 41,350 people in ukraine, 1,774 tanks, 4,022 armored vehicles, 939 artillery systems, 259 rocket launchers, 118 anti-aircraft weapons of defense 223 aircraft 191 helicopters 1922 units of automotive equipment 15 ships boats 174 cruise missiles 740 drones 83 units of special equipment today we will talk about ukraine and education rather about the world and ukraine and moose tore the whole world kabaeva came under the sanctions of the united states of america and the russian federation threatens the americans about this is what we are

talking about today with my guest, this is a politician-diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 , pavlo klimkin, mr. pavla, good day, good health, thank you for participating in our to the program, i congratulate everyone, i congratulate serhiy, i congratulate veronik, i congratulate ukraine, mr. pavlo, let's start our conversation with an event that literally the whole world has been watching for the past few days, this is the visit of the speaker of the house of representatives of the united states of america, nancy pelosi, to taiwan, despite china's threats and warnings, and the plane landed yesterday at the airport and ebay in taiwan, ilya was escorted by american fighter jets and aircraft carriers, let's explain to our viewers how important this visit was for the united states of america and why it was not received so well for china let's start with china er china has a

one-china policy er it's not only a political class it's important for all chinese er taiwan er is by its mentality by its cultural code of course part of china you all know the history very well you know very well why taiwan is currently separated from china. well, of course , the political system itself is in kyiv. in china and in taiwan , they are different. in taiwan, there is actually a democratic system for china, after all, gaining control over taiwan is probably one from the key ones of the fundamental goals of foreign policy and

any visit, in particular, of nancy pilos, who is the third-ranking american speaker of congress, well, of course, this is not just annoying , it provokes the chinese system, but paradoxically , i will say that this visit it is also beneficial to china . now in the fall, the communist party of china will hold a sit-in. it is always very important for the chinese to show that everything is calm. do you remember this song? everything is calm in baghdad. that's how it should be in china. everything is calm, but the prices grow on of energy for food and er, the taiwanese topic

will of course also distract from others the answer is not to the yesev sanction of the 14th year, well, actually the same well, but it is also conducting exercises around taiwan, and for the first time in history, china is trying to conduct these exercises by closing the air and sea space not only in the straits, but also to the east of taiwan, actually trying to to surround china accordingly, but the americans are also raising the stakes for the americans - it's not only shipping where more than a third

of the junk trade takes place in the south china sea. for today, number one for the americans, this is a very clear signal, we will defend our interests, we will defend our allies in asia, and now the japanese, the koreans, the philippines. it's anyone. they can to say yes, the americans are ready for it, yes, they also have the balls, yes, they have determination, political will, and this is a clear signal, they did not break under chinese pressure, they were not afraid of raising rates the united states and the chinese are profiting from this situation. well, you understand very well that the

americans showed their teeth, and they showed their teeth, and very clearly , you did not show it with these visits to taiwan, but also with the killing of the leader of al-qaeda in afghanistan. is aizeve alzeva hey, that's why you saw these teeth very, very clearly in the kremlin, you know that in the kremlin they don't understand anything except force and specifications, er, that's why the tactics and strategy of the kremlin - this will also affect this, for sure, we will also talk about it today ministry of foreign affairs of the russian the federation regarded pilosi's visit to taiwan as a provocation. and pilosi, while already in taiwan , declared that the united states of america can not remain in the party while china submerges taiwan and democracy. in principle, i understand that china wanted to change the status quo taiwan has been

in since 1949, and this is the main thing in general, a global discussion that has been going on for the past six months, and especially even a year, because in parallel with the threats of the russian federation, not in the direction of ukraine , there was an expectation that china could start i understand the war for the taiwanese at the time when putin entered ukraine with a large army. i do n’t even know yet which of our viewers today are fans of these famous asian films about various styles of oriental er-e recruitment er-e there is kung fu and so on, we know yes yes, there is, yes, there is the style of the dragon stelmah, the style of the praying mantis, but china in relation to taiwan would really like such styles, by the

way, i would say to apply and take over taiwan peacefully, having received after all, the influence of e-e first as e-e in hong kong and then e changing in general the rules by which taiwan exists and lives because there are e-e key elements of the demarkete e-e in taiwan and we must say that there are also many supporters of unification with china is, of course , for the preservation of today's taiwanese system today there is a fundamental mistrust between taiwan and directly china, so i think that the chinese have as their number one option the possibility of taking over peaceful taiwan, how it

will succeed in the coming years, it is actually very difficult to say here which policy, which domestic policy will win if there will be attempts at partial economic welfare, it will not succeed, the americans will not allow it but nevertheless, in china, they know how to fight a hybrid from the information and the country to this fruit and vegetable war, and this in fact, it's just the beginning - that's why, of all, there are options, fear of the sbu, i think that taiwan's main policy is china's. i'm sorry. this is such oppression. hugs, hugs, pretending, but in fact, it's not only about taiwan. i'm emphasizing this again. china has strategic plans and

these plans are to spread their influence over the whole of asia, which consists in establishing their own rules for asia to have a military force that affects everyone, with which everyone would have it is important to have yuan, which is a grain of currency, and this is a lot for us, by the way will change well, in the sense of business and state calculations, but also someone there will already have you under the mattress with all our anecdotes about ivan moscow, this may also one day become part of reality, therefore, in fact, taiwan eh this is only the beginning, the transformation of china gain influence in this asia and really compete with the west. with the united states under

the leadership of the world, but china, unlike russia, wants to compete while remaining within the framework of the world system, because today trade with the united states and the eu does not reach a trillion well, you can only imagine these scales . well, the last russian war against us, it united the west with uh, brought the west to completely different levels of western solidarity. i'm sorry to repeat , but this is very important and china does not like it very much, because they really wanted the chinese separately from europe there separately with the french separately, do you remember merkel loved to go to china with all the ministers there to talk for a long time to maintain some kind of human relations to bargain something purely for german business and now china has before her

a collective and concerted solidarity measure, and of course china does not like this at all, and this is one of the results that can be felt with the hands of our war with russia, that is, this fundamental war strengthened the west and this war clearly said that ukraine will be part of europe and a professional measure not only in the name of political declarations, but now at the level of a clear signal from the european union that ukraine has candidate status and that changes a lot for the whole world and for china, too, well, obviously, it will change eh and eh position of russia, or at least russia counted on the fact that china would also show all its ability to compete with the united states of america, and that is why sergey lavrov, commenting on nancy's visit to taiwan

, said that they say it is very similar to the war in ukraine, let's listen to what exactly lavrop said. i don't i know, i don't even dare to judge what has eh driven, but what this reflects is the same line as that . impunity and will show their permissiveness that i want to, and to the doctor, that's about it. new and new. i don't see any reason to create such an irritant. practically on the spot, i know very well what this means for the chinese people's republic. by the way, when lavrov spoke about the fact

that they they want to prove something to someone, i had the impression that he was not talking about the americans, but about the russians in ukraine, and is it even worth comparing the situation with this visit of the dust to taiwan and the war in ukraine, i did not understand, but i completely it is clear that when putin decided to go to ukraine with a big war, he obviously counted on a few more places where there could potentially be a military conflict, and one of these regions where all this could happen was taiwan, remember how we actually on the eve of the war, they talked about the risks, the global risks of the beginning of the third world war, and yesterday, too, everyone was watching whether the vacuum cleaner plane would land in taipei or not, or it could be said that yesterday the dots were placed, who is the most important in the world

, and who in the world is secondary, and so far they are not strong on and but i think that you will be a point further, but i cannot, mr. sergey, not react to this passage, uh, i do n’t know how else to call them lavrov, because there are indeed certain parallels between what is happening in our country and what is happening around taiwan, russia, which wants to gain its influence in europe and after ukraine to spread it until 1997, its own text was written in pieces of paper that they handed over to the americans there, if you remember, and china, if you want to spread its sphere of influence after taiwan to all of asia, but there are several e -is such fundamental but if you don't treat

taiwan and there is a democracy yes there is more what but nevertheless a mental ethnic from the point of view of the cultural code taiwanese are chinese they have a common history and everything here is absolutely it is clear that i do not want in any case anyone to offend, for sure here you can draw many parallel conversations and so on and so on, but now the whole world after this war, even if someone did not want to believe in it well , now it is absolutely clear to everyone that our ukrainian mentality, our philosophy, our life our way of life, our cultural code, they are fundamentally different from russian, and we are europeans by our history, we will be part of

the west , and this, by the way, is the most important aspect of security. how we should work but in what will happen in the coming years in the next 20 plus years of the ps by rebooting the world, the best strategy for us is to become an integral part of the collective event and not to simply become such a part and have the right and the opportunity to influence the internal rules and the politics itself, the way of thinking of a collective approach to this should be our ambition, no less. i understand that for many it sounds

ambitious, which develops the brain, but there are no other options we really don’t have any, and when volodymyr zelenskyi says that we are the sole heirs of kievan rus’, i welcome that very much with both hands, this is absolutely correct, it should have been said because russia is the heir by its mentality uh, byzantium, and uh, in such a bad sense, and accordingly, the hordes, that's what they do, uh, their armed forces, what they do here in ukraine, what they did after the second world war, what they did in korea well, because absolutely all the reasons and all the wars that we have seen. this is some kind of post-post horde mentality, and that is why when we say

taiwan, it is a completely different reality. we cannot fully understand all the subtleties and nuances of the national way of thinking between china and taiwan, but we definitely we can since we are ukrainians we understand today the mentality of the russian regime, both ivanshikov and the imperial regime, which wants to return to the construction of a certain form and mix of the soviet union and the empire and again become a world player at the expense of this, because without this, he cannot live, he does not he can exist, he cannot legitimize himself, he loses his legitimacy, he loses his life, he loses the meaning of his existence in general, and in this sense, what is happening between us and russia is completely

different from what is happening between china and ivaniv, and it is very important that we explain this to everyone , also that in the western world my experience is that not everyone understands it, they say well, of course there are many parallels yes, we have sympathy for ukraine , so we should support it or taiwan is there the same situation no this is not the same situation with us from russia, a completely different, fundamentally different mentality. we have passed through other parts of european history, whether from the magdeburg law or a complex system of alliances due to contact with the european civilization of the future and its part. and here is russia - this is a completely different reality and everyone should remember it and i'm sorry that i'm emphasizing and repeating it once again and let's tell it

even at the event even at the event according to my experience unfortunately, not everyone understands it by the way, mr. pavla, and it is necessary to say that there is a so-called one-china policy in the world, when diplomatic relations are established with china, they do not extend, or, let's say, they do not allow other countries to develop diplomatic relations with taiwan, there are only 15 countries in the world that have recognized independence taiwan is not among these 15 countries of ukraine in this list because we have established diplomatic relations with china, with the people's republic of china and not with the republic of china. you are not the one who explains that taiwan actively tried to help ukraine at the beginning of russia's war against ukraine and provided financial support. support and why does ukraine refrain from recognizing

independence and ivaniv, why is there no taiwanese representation in ukraine? as far as i know , the reason is precisely the policy of one china, which is now supported by most countries in the world. including er because humanitarian aid is a very human story and of course any humanitarian aid is very important for us er during this war but it in no way affects our understanding and our policy it has been declared many times and if we let 's start some flirting, formal, i emphasize formal, because no one forbids us human humanitarian contacts with taiwan, the levels of chinese companies buy

russian oil, china buys russian natural resources, trying to support uh, russia's ability to wage this war but if we start a conversation, and this is our fundamental interest, uh, about some formal recognition of taiwan , then china will change this check, change its strategy and will try to consistently punish us for this, first of all with russian years, but also maybe with your own and it will not only be trade bans, it will be cyber ​​guilt, it will be help to russia, and it will be help to russia with weapons and many other things. do you remember that russia has already turned to china with a request to provide help, so here we have to be wise,

understanding the entire international context, and all the nuances, in the end, it's not about the fact that there are any cups, it's about going and winning this war, and we will do it, and the effects. congratulations on the side of russia, we absolutely do not need it here. by the way , the self-proclaimed president of belarus, oleksandr lukashenko, boasts of his good relations with the chinese. moreover, in the context of the sanctions policy of the west regarding russia and belarus, let's see what lukashenko says, of course, under sanctions, china can be afraid to describe some steps, people are very careful, careful, you felt it, however, it is our happiness that we shot good relations with the chinese people's republic, they

are good people, they helped us a lot. in the chinese direction, i often told the sitten that if you are huge, this locomotive is chinese, for this, for an additional car in the volume of belarus, so the chinese locomotive will not even notice that there is something there преципилис такая гигантская економика well, it's good that we've gotten along well in the field of diplomacy, politics, and relations, yes, and personal, and i have a good relationship with sydenpin's family and with him. lukashenka has good relations with the leaders of china with the family of the leader of china after all, mr. pavla . in the current war they

are waging against us, both russia and belarus rely on the support of china. it is clear that without the support of china, neither putin nor lukashenko are capable of opposing the western powers , not to mention the united states of america and it is clear that china's position determines vladimir putin's behavior in ukraine, can china change this position and in what way to indicate putin's place in the world order? i think that china does not and china's position does not determine putin's position, you and i will never know for sure what did not all of putin talk about on the eve of the olympics in beijing it is unlikely that any of them will write a memoir and if they do, they will not tell us honestly but

nevertheless, the chinese position this is how it affects russia this is how it affects lukashenka by the way it's funny, yes, i would say it's bad to hear lukashenko, he doesn't care if belarus doesn't notice. well, let it be so, so that i can drive my car. hey, i'll be the conductor. i'll be the conductor, the main one will define the rules in my car, and that's fine, only everything is more like that what's wrong with putin