december is the month and i see that on the one hand the government is in a hurry to adopt it, and on the other hand i see that the harmonization of its norms with european legislation is... well, no... there is no hurry with this and that and that's actually dear mr. oleksiy we have two points, yes, european legislation can actually be divided into several examples. one thing , i don't know, is there any spanish legislation in media affairs, the second story is, for example, hungarian legislation or polish legislation , and we understand that well, you countries are not all the same smoothly with the media market and with the influence of the state on the regulation, so to speak, of the activities of the journalistic fraternity, i agree with you, that is why i emphasize that the legislation of specific european countries must comply with the

european standard, not the legislation of specific european countries , the hungarian legislation and even the polish legislation, we know that they were big problems with this legislation because it corresponds to the european scandal and i think you know well, not very often, not very well. it is possible to compare the current ukrainian government there with an adversary there with what was happening with the media in russia and belarus, but sometimes it seems to me that the authorities are not against using, for example, the hungarian model and those relations with the media that you were removed by orbán from your country, and i can’t help but worry about it here too mr. oleksiy is extremely worried about mr. goncharenko , the people's deputy of ukraine, what are the possible negative scenarios, so to speak, we understand that the legislation, well, remember the stalinist constitution, it was generally the best in the world. well

but the devil was hiding, so to speak, in the interpretation approaches and, in general, the realities of what will happen to our media law, for sure it should be very simple, fluent, studied, uh, for sure, there should be a discussion, especially among journalists, who have to give their answer, whether this law corresponds at all there are those norms and that freedom of speech that ukraine has already defended several times and society and this test freedom of speech is such an asset that must be defended every day. what do you need every day what to do i would say here two main things must be protected, first - it is the impossibility for the authorities to influence the media, that is, to close those that are not liked and not to allow other things to be aired, unfortunately, what is happening in ukraine now because, for example your espresso tv channel,

not other tv channels, simply turned off digital broadcasting and that's all, and if goodbye, i have no idea why this happened and still haven't, even though it's been more than a month there, and such things shouldn't happen. let's try. well, let's not be afraid of it. of the law and let's try to use this as an opportunity so that this law really protects freedom of speech in ukraine and does not threaten it. i think here. yes, we have to ask the question and achieve it . and the second thing is that i would also like to have editorial offices in the media protected from e.e., the influence of the owner , because this is also a danger when simply the media begin to actually serve the interests of one owner, and in this way, the means of informing society also turn into a means of influencing society in the interests of this owner, that's why i

i think that these two things - protection from the state and from the state apparatus and protection from the owner of the editorial office - are what i would like to see in this law and what i will personally defend when this law is submitted to the verkhovna rada for consideration. thank you, on the other hand, we understand that we would like to somehow protect ourselves from the hidden or secret or indirect influence of certain structures related to the russian federation. it is about the fact that they very often use someone else's umbrella. in particular , i don't know there, maybe cypriot, maybe some other hungarian or czech, even so, we understand that our medi market was a little like makhnov, but on the other hand, this was precisely its strength, that is, audiences could somehow disperse, diversify depending on one or another of their preferences, preferences. and now we understand. so

all this will be very clearly codified p. oleksiy what are the possible dangers for democracy under ugu of ukrainian rubbers, on the one hand, we would like to cut off this so-called russian technological influence, here we are talking about a specific, deliberate russian strategy of influencing us, yes, but on the other hand, i wouldn't want to throw the baby out with the water. of course, we exist in the conditions of a hot war and a cold stage that lasts all the time of the existence of an independent ukrainian state. therefore, this is definitely a problem, and it is exactly that, well, at least that's how the authors of the law declare that they are returning with this law to decide, but we need to see how much it really solves the problem, and the second point is whether this is just an excuse for advertising this law and

pushing norms that do not meet the needs of ukrainian society, you understand different from e-e russian russian even from hungarian culture this word is not known ukrainian ukrainians are used to pluralism let it be pluralism there oligarchic so to speak but still, still it was pluralism he is also looking for ukrainian viewers ukrainian listener reader he is always looking an alternative point of view, if there is no alternative ukrainian point of view, then he will look for it and find it outside the borders of ukraine , and sometimes it will be russian or hidden, very very thin ice, so to speak, from the other side. i would like to answer mr. ivancharenko about the fact that we all want the change to be unaffected by either the government or big capital, the only question is when we will protect it in the mass media and so that it does not happen

that our mass media will be left without investment capital because, in principle, the mass media require investment, but if anyone invests money in the media, he will be under the suspicion that he is trying to use this media, then he will think twice whether to invest money in the media or to develop the media, so here again is this problem uh already it has existed for a long time in ukraine, how can an official do it, well , that is, one of the options is to do it with a media business. but if we set ourselves such a goal, we have to raise the general solvency of ukrainians so that ukrainians can pay for a snake in war conditions on the other hand, we understand that , in general, our ukrainian domestic media market is currently undergoing colossal transformations, for example , rinat akhmetov's media group has dropped

out . we see media groups that openly sympathize with or are loyal to the government. that is, we can not say that they are completely independent, but the level of loyalty can be measured, so to speak, by eye or ear, and this is also evidence of certain processes , because not all oligarchs are equally oligarchic, bad oligarchs are oligarchs who are loyal, so to speak. goncharenko. at one time, i think one of our oligarchs said that there cannot be oligarchs in the opposition, by definition. they always cooperate with the government on one or another terms, and in in the conditions of the war, we saw that everyone actually put their media resources at the disposal of the authorities and we do not have a single, so to speak , opposition great tv channel e-e, with all due respect to espresso or the direct channel e-e, the main

channels leading in terms of audience are actually controlled by the authorities, and akhmetov's departure from the media business is related to this, it is a fixation of positions that he has given his resource, he does not receive from it any commercial, not political dividends, but the costs of receiving it, well, these six months, he he carried it one way or another and it is obvious that every big businessman will face the question that he is an extraordinary businessman. why should i pay money for something that i alone do not control and does not bring me any profit? but, unfortunately, the information policy carried out by the state in the form of this single marathon seems to me to be sloppy, and it leads to the fact that people will really go to look for information in other places

, telegram channels, etc. and there they can just become we are a prey to the misinformation of enemy propaganda and therefore this is definitely not the way we should move, i can only say once again that it is very important that the editors are not protected when we say well, what to do? well, just move in this direction it is clear that it will not happen in one day, but to introduce certain norms. there are certain journalistic collectives in ukraine, journalists in general. they are honest and professional people, and i think that with the foundation and protection in the form of legislative norms, they will be able to do so not in one day, of course, but gradually really from pluralism. as you said , move oligarchically to pluralism, which the oligarchs had influence on, and then it will gradually become a normal business, but for sure we don't need to do this, just dilute any pluralism and

get a single point of view. vision is the only voice to which the only right things are said, this is the only way to succeed in this information marathon well, they did not take us, we collected more than 25,000 votes in support of three tv channels which will be with networks t2 and what and nothing personal, what was the question of this will you follow the instructions of pamyatkachenko, who is now personally crossing out and entering the participants of the marathon, but it's just, well, it's not a secret. i don't think that i'm revealing a secret to anyone right now, the minister of culture of ukraine, pankechenko, is doing what he personally puts someone in uh, there uh, all the lists of speakers for the single marathon agree with him, i didn't know that this is a culture in ukraine well, that's exactly what he 's doing, i think there were doubts whether the espresso tv channel would agree with these and

to submit lists for approval, because it looks not very good. by the way, this is the same bank of kychenka , and it seems to me that he has already apologized twice for censorship in ukraine for certain manipulations that took place on the channels to which he was involved, so i think you have us there they didn't take it, and it's definitely bad, but i want us to understand another thing, that because of this, we find ourselves in a situation where our citizens of ukraine, in fact, today are those who do not have access to cable networks, and there are many of them, they simply refuse television because that product which they are given is of poor quality, it is not there, there is no such pluralism to which they are used to, that is correct and they simply refuse but they will still look for information where they can find it, that is why i am in favor of ukraine not unconditionally putting important things, and this priority is the protection of ukraine as states of our independence, this is not discussed. but

in this other matter, so that we have pluralism and diversity, diversity is always better than uniformity, unless we are talking about the armed forces , that is, i would like to note that the marathon and colleagues who created this project and continue to create it, and in general, many people notice, including our audience, the audience that is the audience of this project, that sometimes we watch and the impression is almost victory, and that's not bad. when in the entire nation is trying to maintain such a fighting spirit , setting itself up for victory and positivity. but at the same time , we are drawing the attention of our society to the fact that the war continues and to be aware of what is happening, to try to analyze what what is happening on the fronts is very important now , it is sometimes painful, but it must be done because it

is right and it crystallizes in us in the future some minds. and as for me, anyone else from my environment has to behave in this war when oleksiy a, apart from me, i will literally react, in addition to the fact that it is very important for people to be able to make rational decisions, it is also very important in order to create a public demand for certain changes . has an ideal and any kind of power and it is absolutely normal. we are all not perfect and the only way we are. power becomes better only through correction , through a request from society. and this request appears only when society knows the truth or understanding information, there are certain things which cannot be said, we understand it, but they must be very clear and very limited, but

society as a whole must understand what is happening, including in order to put pressure on the authorities and change the situation where it is necessary, i am asking and actually wanted i would like to emphasize that this is the meaning of this war, it is a war for independence and for freedom. because you know, ukraine formally existed from soviet times, the name was dances of harem pants and so on, but there was no freedom, because freedom is the essence of ukraine, so if we are fighting for independence for freedom, then we have to fight for a free ukraine, a ukraine in which there are mechanisms of democracy, including freedom of speech, because turning into a second russia even without good russians, so to speak, with our own hands is not the goal that should be set now and the second moment it seems to me that this is in many ways a disease of this government. i'm sorry for the criticism of the authorities during the war, but uh, this is the power of television producers, who very often think that it is enough to

construct some kind of uh, virtual reality in the media and uh reality is superfluous beyond the limits of the tv will be adjusted or you can ignore it at all do you understand this as in the anecdote that the soviets were to close uh those uh windows and sway the wagons and pretend that we are going it seems to me that in the conditions of war it is very dangerous could not agree because i no longer know, that is, there is no direct access to savik now. well, it was not possible to contact him and find out the whole situation. well, he is walking around in social networks. information that savik shuster was banned from entering ukraine is the ukrainian truth from it became clear that this was not the case , and so on. well, but this kind of information started to circulate. we know media conflicts, including the so-called akhmetiv skirmish with power

. the government in our country is good or bad, sometimes you can say that. good from the point of view of preservation, but malicious, so to speak, by memory and she remembers very well who did what before this invasion or after the invasion even well, how is this situation here the melting of korban's citizenship because he allegedly told or there filatov told sports what she later voiced and for this and on us on the basis of this the person is deprived of citizenship that he is not a citizen of ukraine at all to allow him to enter ukraine it is even easier but again, it is very bad when during the war the authorities, you know , are busy with other things and necks at home, if even friends on the one hand, i fulfill the duties assigned to me by the constitution and, let's say, leadership in the fight against the enemy in the organization of defense, but at the same time, i still slightly undermined my own interests, this is a very

dangerous company, clarify mr. goncharenko in your opinion. - raising the temperature in the ward on the media in the market, in particular, it is also about the possibility, so to speak, of not allowing shuster to ukraine . well, i think that the desire to manage the media was there from the very beginning, let's be honest, the desire managing the media is in any government, it is always there. well, temptations. obviously, this government has more, maybe even than others, because it really is very televised, and if it understands this, it feels its power and considers it its power, and we have all seen this from in the 19th year, but the society of opportunities, thank god, we have such immunity of society, serious and society, if, well, it limited everything during the war, it is clear that society, well, besides, many people simply well, they do not

understand or they do not understand the opportunities and so on and unfortunately it becomes an excuse to well to use war as an indulgence, what is war, but to criticize really a lot well, in terms of criticism, i am there personally on february 24, i try as much as possible, well, if not to criticize, but somewhere to support, to suggest other things, but if something like this happens, as happened in the spanu korban, which i want to emphasize, i do not know him at all i never had a personal relationship with him , i didn't want anything, on the contrary, he was on a team that always fought with him and were not friends with him, but it's not normal, it's absolutely abnormal to take and choose from the many hundreds of thousands of people who have there is a second passport and it is not a russian passport to elect one korban who is neither a deputy nor a state security guard and simply do not let him go to his homeland to ukraine where

his parents are and there and well this is abnormal simply abnormal and this cannot be tolerated and about it must be said, stop it . thank you, mr. mustafin, thank you, and mr. oleksiy goncharenko, brief clarifications, because you were just the informant about the situation in donetsk, er, and what actually happened there, it is known about what happened there they hid a collaborator who was eliminated, but lightning struck a second time, the armed forces of ukraine do not have a relationship with the president's office, and they also reject such an opportunity. what do you know? it is known that during this war crime, there was some miscreant, well, the criminal was there, as he did her last name, they hid her there. and at this moment, er, something was hit there, there were explosions, who died, some er, how do we say orcs, they appear,

some more civilians died, of course, i don't know where it happened, but i can say one thing that she is on her way there and you all came to say goodbye to her so that nothing happened there, what kind of lightning struck there, who smoked there unsuccessfully, but they are all dear there, this is one thing i can say for sure. thank you, gentlemen, unfortunately we have to end this conversation. free media, we will manage to defend the 15th hour and 50th minute, we add to our marathon yehor braylyan, candidate of historical sciences, journalist, internationalist, we congratulate him, yaroslav, to ukraine , glory to the heroes, well, information has appeared from the honorable, well, this of course, the irony of mr. schroeder, who threw in another version of putin’s diplomatic narratives , giving some hope or hope that the kremlin would be

ready for negotiations. how do you assess this entry ? of course, it is important for putin to show what is common and influential in europe, what he writes has its support, so on in the west, we can say that he was even joking, maybe putin announced this wedding a little, it’s a pity that he had quite a lot of springs , and in this plan of the former federal enterprise, we see all the russian peoples and that's why we shouldn't act on it and understand that the transcarpathian opinion of germany is changing little by little and in the end they didn't give the scandalous turbine for the northern stream hours that canada handed over from the previous one and for us you already

understand that germany is being reinterpreted maybe not as quickly as we would like but again, something is being done to support ukraine than it was before , nevertheless those provisions if you want or some of your own visions of what we want, maybe putin in our country shroder still voiced and reacted to this ukrainian president, it is simply disgusting when former leaders of important countries with european values ​​work for russia, which is fighting against these uh-uh values. well, uh-uh shritr assures that in reality everything is not so bad and the russian federation is interested in at least certain negotiations and agreements with our country and with its leadership, it ’s just eh as always ah these agreements they would like to reach are absolutely not in the interests of ukraine.

is trying to signal a renewed desire to negotiate, of course, that for putin the issue of negotiation is the most important, first of all , because it restores putin's legitimacy in the eyes of the international community, and that they want to negotiate with a politician, so he is a correspondingly important influence . the second important point is that ukraine are not subject to any concessions, no negotiations with russia before the complete de-occupation of all the territories of the south-east and crimea takes place. and that is why putin wants to shake european unity right away atlantic unity is also important for the west right now. don't fall for this hook from putin and i think that

many politicians have been in the west for quite a long time, and it's not only about german politicians and french, italian, european politicians in general. they see families. he violates any - what agreements he does not want to make concessions from withdrawing his troops from the territory of ukraine and the only way he wants, look, i don't want to be a lawyer for schloeder, i don't even know if he did all this work for free, it means voiced putin's narratives but he voiced them. so, in schröder 's language, of course, in translation, the good news is that the kremlin wants to reach a negotiated solution. there was already a negotiated approach to the conflict between to the conflict, you hear after everything they did here to the conflict between ukraine and russia, for example in istanbul in march the turks were very helpful as they participated in the negotiations on the supply of grain currently it is very

useful the first success is the grain agreement it may be possible to slowly expand it and stop of fire, but in ukraine, yes, he still interprets the minsk agreements in his own way, which stipulates that the donbass should remain part of the ukrainian state, but at the same time , the russian one will have more rights, but the ukrainians even canceled bilingualism in the donbass, schrider says in his last interview. for this, the latter will need to find a solution based on the model of the swiss canton, that is, comrade schroeder, in general, we are quite calmly discussing a possible change in the constitutional composition of ukraine. so we are talking about confederation. well because the cantons are about switzerland, and switzerland is a confederation, mr. igor, so definitely, and russia

is showing, for example, switzerland. what are you looking at? the integrity of our state and we cannot be like switzerland, i.e. the center of banks, so our situation is a little different, and then through schrider he wants to say the west. look, we we will be able to reach an agreement, but through mediators. i trust, for example, turkey, but even now you and i will see that the agreement that was insidious on july 22, mediated by turkey and the un, is not working very well. of course, the first parade managed from odesa, but uh, but let's say it in lebanon has its

moments, that ivan was not arrested, this ship that the russians wanted to take out the stolen grain, and at least there is a long and powerful ukrainian ambassador in lebanon, and his schedule has done so much for public diplomacy between our countries. and there was a lot translations of ukrainian literature there in arabic but again, we see that the close scythians are the achilles' heel for ukrainians and this is another lesson that in ukraine it is important to build diplomacy that is multilateral and take into account the interests of other countries if you want to export our agricultural products abroad, which is the main er, the main articles of our thank you very much ihor braylyan candidate of historical sciences international journalist worked

live on the espresso tv channel it is important and the news came from germany for a fire broke out in lus in the grünewald forest in berlin on thursday morning after the explosion, attention is paid to the police ammunition warehouse, currently there is a fire and explosions in grünewald, the threat of further explosions and you examining the traps meant that the firefighters could not systematically put out the fire, and we said that everything that is superfluous, give it to us send to ukraine it is clear international stated that the ukrainian military, which deters the russian invasion , endangers the civilian population by creating bases and placing weapons in schools and hospitals in the office the president answered that the lives of ukrainians are threatened only by the army of the russian federation. there is a direct speech by the minister of foreign affairs, mr.

kuleb . distances itself from the situation where before they either remained silent or were more active in their rhetoric but also in their clarity international seems to me to be making rather strange statements, let's listen to my colleague, the situation will improve now we hope literally in a couple of seconds, our fellow editors are now recommending everything to the express, it's a shame what happened, but we still have time to at least listen now time for news on espresso and marketing will present a colleague, congratulations, we ask for a word thank you, colleagues, literally in a moment about detection of traitors and about that