ah plus i want to believe that what happened with the bridge in the kherson region will really help the armed forces of ukraine to make a certain ring, well, from the sea. for sure, we will not enter yet. yes, but we will be able to turn this moment around. this is one story, another if you ask what to expect not only in in the military sphere, and let's say in the economic sphere, we expect the government to implement all possible ways to cover the holes in the budget, because we understand very well that the funds that ukraine currently earns with the help of taxes are not enough, so we we count on international support, a third - these are grants that do not need to be returned, the rest - these are loans on very low terms and a third. i am sure that i hope that these ukrainians who do not fight, who work in the rear, who restore that business, the business they were engaged in and were to move, who

teach our children, who treat the military, who also treat civilians, not only the military, it didn’t happen anywhere. and that they will actually have all the necessary conditions to continue doing this, and moreover, i really believe that the ukrainians will continue to return to ukraine in greater numbers than to leave. and will the state programs that are currently announced there work for this, again, the mortgage lending program at 3% for military medics, teachers, does not remember anyone there yet, but i would like to advise the cabinet of ministers here just a little intensive we can still work on this program and the verkhovna rada, i am sure to suggest to develop many things that can become such a restraining factor, a restraining and supporting factor for those who remain a and encouraging for those who are thinking of staying in a well-

fed, comfortable, safe europe, but for the time being a safe europe, should they still come here? it is easier to protect the ukrainian land when they know that well, there are ours, they have nothing to stand here because otherwise they can, someone can think of allowing well, i will leave there for 2-5 kilometers, maybe nothing terrible will happen if they ukrainians will know here, here the children go to school. everything, i will do everything to stop here, knock out as far as possible, destroy the enemy, so it is easier to fight, well , this is a military situation, on the other hand, you can understand all the mothers and fathers who have children and they understand that well, not so it is impossible to sleep in those places where there is constant shelling and it is impossible to exist anyway. i am already silent about the economic situation, which

really is not normal in the most tough regions. fortunately, we already have enough fuel. thank god, but there are no jobs. they appeared, on the contrary, enterprises are moving further to western ukraine, are they being closed or preserved for a while, because the large-scale things that are there are impossible to translate there , we must continue to carry out all the tasks until the end of the war, we must do it after the end of the war, and so on in the forecasts i won't do it when it ends, i'm only talking about simple things, it will end when we completely liberate ukraine and completely return all ukrainians from captivity and condemn russia before an international tribunal, that's what we need to work, we are engaging volodymyr ogryzka, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009,

head of the russian research center. yes, it is our enemy , but we need to study it. of course, we need to do it, volodymyr, the first question is about international issues, there are many and many different theses. i will allow myself to combine two theses in one and ask whether it really indicates that the united states of america has just now shown all its powers, so at first there was information about the elimination of the al-qaeda leader and literally in a few days, this guy comes on an encyclical to the territory of taiwan, everything is more or less calm. well, of course, there was tension, but no one attacked the plane, and it landed and then safely left almost the taiwanese. what does this activity of the united states show? of the united states of america in recent days, many experts say that in recent days the united states has really shown who is

the leader of the world right now and it is still too early to talk about this much popularity that president putin dreams of. congratulations, sir. vitaly, i congratulate you ladies in the future, dear er, dear participants of our discussion, er, you are right, vitaly, i think that recent events indicate that er, the usa has finally decided to show its teeth and showed them quite openly and without any er attempts for putin somehow to interpret this er, well, they present it somehow neutral or in their favor, because look er, what actually er, demonstrated by biden, he demonstrated er, it seems to me two important things, firstly, that the enemies of america will be destroyed, and secondly, he is not afraid go to a tough confrontation with those who who does he consider to be his potential opponents?

well, i will also tell you one point that i consider to be equally important. this is the courage of politicians. this is something that we did not have or almost did not have in the entire thirty-year history since the restoration of our independence. look at the 82-year-old lady a woman who is calm and actually calm in this, her strength is that she flies calmly, not knowing whether her plane will be shot down, but she does it absolutely clearly, and this is the signal that all the totalitarian regimes in the world, and putin, first of all, that's why you you know, when we talk about how we need to liberate the ukrainian land, then we must certainly bow to the bravery of

our soldiers first of all, but also call on our politicians to be the same, then we will have everything up to the pile and supply of weapons and diplomatic success and punishment of russia because uh, i think that the result of the war will be not only uh, the liberation of our territories and, as it sounded right now in the studio, the punishment of criminals, uh, the result of the war should be a new approach to what will happen to russia and us we should already think about it today, because leaving this monster in any form after his defeat will be a completely inadequate response to what he has done in this world, we must now think about decolonization in russia, about what how should it be done? what mechanisms

should be applied? enough i'm already talking about appearances. i remembered this story, how before the start of this full-scale offensive, there were also many conversations and thoughts about the fact that volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of ukraine, would go somewhere and leave us all here, but he didn't, officer. well, what about me? it was also quite a bold move by the president, if we still talk about this thesis that the third world is somewhere on the threshold or we are already at some stage of it. now because a lot of people are really talking about it, well, actually, in russia, they really hoped that this visit of the lady would go

to taipei and become a prologue to this third world war and that china would definitely start it. well, what ’s next in russia i'm sorry for this word, it will somehow be possible to smear powerful china and in what way to level the situation in which he found himself today, but the results of this visit are just the evidence that there will be no third world war because china does not want to take risks in any way and believe me- is the kremlin's calculations that china, after all after all, it's the end of the war against america - it's just not professionalism of the highest quality, because if you look at where chinese goods are sold, you'll see that two-thirds of its exports go to the eu and north america, which leader of which

country will go to that to instantly collapse its economy by two-thirds, this can only be done by putin and his comarilia in china, they think differently, that's why it seems to me that putin himself will not be able to start a nuclear war anymore. look at him, too much. simply fantastic kulbit when he started talking about the fact that there can be no winners in a nuclear war because of nuclear threats, it is possible and of course he timed it, so to speak, to the conference on non-proliferation , this is another thing and that and to believe putin's words, you know, you can't, but it's positive the question is not even in his statements, it's just that today russia is no longer capable of anything. what did it count on at the beginning of this adventure, and china

will not help in any way in this regard? taras batenko mykhailo tsymbalyuk's remarks are available in our studio in turn, please volodymyr stanislavovych, i have a question for you as an expert on russia and not only on russia, well, every politician thinks about elections, unless this politician is thinking about an early tax, and in this context, the visit of the speaker to taiwan, which, on the eve of the elections, are actually congresses in part senate in november 2022, to what extent do you relate this to the village that the democratic party is now well, let's say it has weak positions, let's say counterweights of the republican party this is the first position 2024 is the year of presidential elections in ukraine and in russia and the united states of america, don't you think that the current trend of, let's say, these countries of the world is the scheme of winning elections through elections - winning - winning the war that concerns the united states of america and the russian federation and china and other countries. how do you

think the elections are now tied to the future of our situation in ukraine, you understand the elections in russia, there have been no elections for 20 years, so i think we don't need to discuss this moment until actually , actually, the last elections in russia, and well, the first and the last were in 1996 when, well, when yeltsin also demonstrated some methods of political profiling, so to speak, but that was the end of it regarding politicians and elections . and if we look at prominent politicians uh, such as uh, the same reagan, such as margaret thatcher, such as dibul, that's why they

looked at churchill and so on, that's why they looked much further from the election, that's why they stayed please, these elections were lost one after another and they were lost, and you know the problem. it seems to me that the problem of our existence today is that a lot of politicians live for the next elections. look at what is being done in some european countries, well , it's just a shame. people are ready to do absolutely stupid things just to to be popular and jump out at the next election and get 10-15 or 20% of the votes, but this leads to a dead end, we must understand that today it is not about a tactical victory it must be about a strategic victory, otherwise the whole civilized world will be threatened, so i think that

despite the fact that the elections will definitely be eh. it seems to me that the same biden is looking a little further. it seems to me that the same is boris johnson well, who, unfortunately, is forced to leave from time to time, i looked much further and i think that eh didn't say the last word to himself, we still know. i think we will see him again in a new eh hypostasis, so different, eh, you know. i think that we should now be our western partner eh to explain one let's not choose a simple thing as one, but a goal that should unite us, and this goal is to stop the russian horde, because otherwise it will be bad in the family for ukrainians and ukrainians and americans, this is an important thesis, mr. semeliuk, then knyazhytskyi another question, mr. hrytsko, my respect minister, two short questions, the first is your opinion as a professional diplomat

regarding the expected position of ukraine regarding the recognition of kosovo and the second question, do you as a diplomat confirm the version regarding this conflict through serbia , russia may be involved, thank you, thank you sincerely uh, i think that the recognition of kosovo should take place after the victory over russia, when we return the occupied territories, when there will be no question of crimea or any other territory that was temporarily taken over by russia, then i think that the threat that has existed until today will disappear keeps this issue in limbo because almost 100 countries have already recognized kosovo, we kept it only in order not to create a precedent, but russia dissolved without our recognition or non-

recognition of kosovo. regarding the influence of russia on this conflict through serbia, you know i think that there is no current conflict in europe and in the world where moscow has not left its paws, its claws has not left moscow, you look at what is happening in the same italy, what is happening in bulgaria, what is happening now uh, in kosovo, in a word, uh, today, putin has the last chance to try to break uh, this negativity that he drove himself into, and he will now let in everything he has in his hands, including useful idiots and those pseudo uh democratic institutions as a container of the international, which today was simply ashamed of probably everything in its entire

subsequent history, although by the way, i will tell you honestly that i am very sad and ashamed when i hear about the absolute inadequacy, impotence of the same people, like the un, like the osce, like the red cross, this is a crisis, and i i think that the ukrainian victory in the war will force us all to reconsider everything related to the peacekeeping activities of the united nations and the role of the osce in ensuring security in the whole world, which is also demonstrated an organization that seeks balances and this is now a trend for all these structures, it cannot be like this anymore, because if such structures do not see the difference between a thief and a victim, then we do not need them between good globally yes volodymyr, i may have discussed with you a little about kosovo, it still seems to me that 92% of albanians

live in kosovo, but although i certainly understand your position, but i wanted to ask a question about something else : volodymyr zelensky, where is the most painful interview and i don't know the chinese newspaper, it just came out or have you had time to read it yet, but it is the same in this newspaper, there on the first pages, what a terrible america, what a terrible speaker of the american parliament, and then an interview with volodymyr zelensky, where he places quite serious hopes on china, and before that, we remember how mr. arkhami, who is the leader of the parliamentary majority in our parliament, also addressed and communicated with the leaders of the communist party of china, are we not making a mistake here as a state because there is a certain dissonance when peles flies to taiwan, they say that i am flying to support democracy, and we, hoping for the support of our biggest ally, immediately talk to its main competitor and say that for some reason it should be profitable for them not to interfere in this story and

hope to get something from them. i understand that such a position also has the right to exist, but i am interested your point of view, as a professional diplomat of course and a person with international experience , unfortunately, was not like if i am not mistaken, of ukrainian ethnic origin, what was russia actually playing on all these years and fueled it anti-ukrainian sentiments that then spilled over into this situation that we have, and regarding whether such a position that was voiced today in this interview has the right to exist, i think that it should because today we must i think use all the real possibilities so that russia does not involve china in this history and if we

explain our position to the american partners and explain why we are doing this, then i think there will be no great contradiction if and it will actually be in the interests of the united states as well states of america so that their conflict does not acquire an even more protracted, even greater character, because if china starts helping russia really, then it means that the conflict will be worse if this does not happen. in this way, it is also beneficial for the americans, because in the end this conflict will end sooner with the victory of ukraine, so i think we should use all opportunities here, and if such arguments, let's say, reach the minds of the chinese, well, then you believe that there is a chance that they will reach.

rhetorical at this stage, but we still need to try, we still have a question, yes, firstly , he is expressing his opinion, just tell me whether you see any parallels in this or not, and the second is a simple question, in short, all the conflicts that have started or are escalating now after the start of a full-scale war now in february of this year in ukraine, these conflicts around the world, or could this be simply a distracting factor that russia is trying to activate in order to reduce attention to ukraine, and the second question is what could be the strongest trigger possible . in general, you can see the triggers of this process of the collapse of russia from the middle, which we, together with the international community, can focus on and strengthen. perhaps these influences on these three games so that it finally happens and begins is a good question, mr.

komenchuk taras, i will not start with the second question. i think that all of you biological theories about the conditions for murder and so on are not working. there is too rigid a system built by putin and it is unlikely that anyone will change. well, who would risk his own life because... e chances of getting out of the reports alive i think that it will be impossible for us to achieve uh in relation to the triggers. i think it is a defeat in the war that will start the process of centrifugal tendencies of the regions today. the russian federation is a typical colonial state where moscow and only moscow act as the metropolis. and all other regions are colonies of this moscow which uh this moscow exploits worse than it can, maybe 60-70%, and maybe in some cases more than

what is earned in the regions is appropriated by moscow and then from the bar key is transferred again to the places eh according to the principle of ladies well, not to you that's why as soon as the federal, this conditionally federal, but actually colonial center, moscow will lose its power, and the regions will feel that they can put forward their own claims and demands, primarily of an economic nature, which will then automatically turn into political ones. and the process of internal collapse will begin, so to speak. if external factors are added to this, and i mean the victory of ukraine and the continuation of the sanctions, then at some point these three trends will converge at one point , which will become er, this is not the end

the empire has no chance, that is, i think that the historical prospects are very short. if these trends persist, moscow has no chance of success, that is, how to preserve its own statehood. i think that we have to really think about what will happen after the collapse of russia, how this post, the russian space will have to be arranged, and excuse me, the first question, the first question, is it a distraction in different places around the world a-a from can this be a distraction from the ukrainian issue from the war in ukraine and you you know this is absolutely true, and i think that now in moscow, uh, well, actually, they are primarily thinking about reducing attention to ukraine, but we don't need attention from our coat of newspapers, first of all, we need help, and based on what we hear from

of official factors in many countries, there is no doubt that it will continue. there is no one , so i wouldn’t get depressed here because the topic of ukraine may somewhere, uh, gradually start to fit in. let’s say from the first place to the second place may turn off something tomorrow or the day after tomorrow but the most important thing for us is that the political agreements on aid remain in force and that we receive the necessary support for victory, which we are getting as much as possible today, let's remember that in a few months the lend-lease will still work and this means that this flow will be er, well, practically without obstacles , today's statement became here, the bridegroom is working with weapons manufacturers in the west and will do everything to ensure that all weapons go to a significant amount, which er volume

indicates that er, political decisions remain the same themselves despite all moscow's attempts divert attention thank you for your thoughts and thorough analysis volodymyr oryska minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in the ninth year of 2007 , the head of the russian research center shared his analyzes of what is currently happening in the world and it seems to me that even well, everything that sounded today in the studio was enough constructive and such interesting thoughts that will make you even listen to them and think about it too. and this is good for our audience. then let's start, mr. i actually want to give an answer, to try to answer this question that you asked mr. grizka at the beginning about this or that action that is currently taking place in particular around taiwan and so on, whether they are evidence that the usa really remains a state and whether is it

unipolar or multipolar, you know, in the theory of international relations, there is such a concept as the power of the state, which includes a lot of factors, starting with the presence of military economic power natural resources and so on and one of the important factors is the political leadership or political leadership of the country and if we take for example america the united states of america then in fact they were until recently and not actually and now they correspond to almost all indicators of the state with one exception they actually have the most powerful military power, they are the first economy in the world, and they have weight, geopolitical location and many other things, but unfortunately there was a problem with the political leadership, that is, if in fact, to take the period of 2008 and the coming to power of bara kavabami in america, in fact, these leaders were, in

my opinion, too liberal and too soft in this geopolitically tough world, and in fact, uh, obama pursued a rather soft policy , there is a lot of evidence that volodymyr putin actually considered obama a weakling and believed that his weakness allows russia to behave quite aggressively, then america got donald trump, who in general pursued a completely unstructured, incomprehensible and often actually such a policy that simply crossed out all the previous policies and strategies of the agreement of america itself, and in fact, for the first time in a rather long period of time, we got a leader in the person of biden, who, as the current situation really shows, is ready to act quite decisively and is really ready not to give in to those countries that show disrespect or a hostile position towards america, and that is why there is actually hope

that this leadership - this is the desire of the leadership to use this potential of america and not allow, let's say, to pass itself into geopolitically, they will, let's say, determine these triggers, trends will be determined, and geopolitically, let's say a certain location. well, in general, the positions are a favorable political map for the coming decades, and i think that the only threat that exists now is the elections of the 24th year and a potential possible rematch donald trump, who can actually harm us. in this geopolitical plan, never bookish. i would really like us to uh, uh, at a time when we are faced with such huge challenges, to understand that we really have to be united and we will be united only if we make a very strong democracy and a very strong democracy consists in the fact that the rights of everyone and the authorities and the opposition are guaranteed by law and the authorities always understand

that the opposition is useful and the opposition i understand that war is something to be done together with the government, if the law is on me and the law will be over all of this, if we understand this and reject all temptations, then i am convinced that together with our strong european allies, the united states of america, we will win with a smaller number of victims than if we do not believe in the armed forces in ukraine, we are actually aware that now the government has to fulfill another important task, to finally transfer the economy to military flights, this is a very important task. we still want to see what the government plans to do because, unfortunately, the number of unemployed, the shelling of donetsk region, the aggravation of taiwan in nagorno-karabakh, and the president zelensky addressed the chinese leader this