in principle, in ukraine, unfortunately, it is also one of the leading, let's say, entities that use unmanned systems. unfortunately, because of armed aggression. it can be observed in a different way in the targets that are being observed that it significantly increases the effectiveness of artillery means. i understand, mr. denysa, what did these 5 months of war show directly for your company and for users who use your free

complexes during the hostilities? have a good day. we were able to make sure of the correctness of our concept, which before that was our architecture, and to get a lot of material for further new scientific work aimed at improving the product as well as and my colleague. i fully agree with the fact that from modern means of unmanned aviation, they are extremely important and essential under certain conditions, e-e, in relation to solving the operational-tactical situation on the battlefield e-e, mr. artem, where is your unmanned complex currently used in in the conditions of hostilities, which is the main purpose of your systems? well, in principle, the unmanned complex of

our production of our company furia is adopted as a complex of intelligence and fire adjustment of artillery, but of course today in the conditions of a shortage of unmanned systems in general, in the armed forces, our complexes and the complexes of companies are trusted, they are used for, let's say, to solve a wide range of tasks, including for joint military intelligence, for observation, for correction, well, actually, like the stork complexes produced by my colleague denys and what is the difference between the fence complexes in comparison with the samples of athlon avia e p. denis, you can say that what is the peculiarity of your

complex. opinion, yes, these complexes are different. but they, uh, each can be accepted and uh, used under certain conditions, where they are the most effective, there are certain , let's say, different moments in the use of uh, our complex is built according to a different radiodynamic scheme in us, uh -e software that is a-e specialized a little in other moments directed both to the development and to the adjustment of artillery fire e-e the fury complex is ae-e a very modern and normal device that e-e can work closely together with storks so and with others

complexes, as well as the stork, that is, the solution to the issue of the specifics of the use of a certain complex in this or another operational-tactical situation, it already takes command of certain areas of the front, and it is the proper use of the last of our devices and furries and storks, it creates the prerequisites before achieving certain tasks , what was the total number of unmanned systems delivered to the armed forces before this active phase of hostilities ? yes, it is the number of principles, it is,

it can be counted by hundreds of unmanned aerial vehicles, but in principle, the need that exists today in the complexes of our production and in the complexes of the deviro company has increased significantly, and responding to these challenges of course , both companies are increasing their production capacity, and at the moment, i think that denis will confirm that we are already reaching the capacity that the current time and the actual need of the armed forces demand from us, and let's say the need of course, it can vary from the intensity of use to the intensity of hostilities, so let's say the period up to february 24, the need was of course smaller, now it is greater, we hope for objective reasons it will become smaller again in the near future, what is the situation with your complex

internally from the point of view from the point of view of meeting the needs of potential and real customers, i, in turn, can confirm artem's words and say the fact that the challenges that were created before us, we are now solving them very successfully and the dimensions or the volumes and scaling of our uh companies i can say for trust uh they exceeded all expectations and we are really able to meet the needs of the armed forces now in terms of reducing the expectation of the normal expectation of reducing the need for our products i have a slightly different point vision because i think that thanks to the experience that we got our when they become

really competitive in the world of that experience of using and i also want to emphasize emphasize not just the experience of using some certain there of the test sample that was exported there by the manufacturer and provided for carrying out some kind of problem solving, on the contrary, we have experience in the wide use of the series and the series and in a sufficiently large quantity. that is, we can now produce those cars that completely repeat their declared functional from one unit to another and in this way we have approached the level of the world's leading manufacturers, therefore our products should not just be used as a need

for our armed forces and have eh all eh prerequisites for entering the international market and exiting this is precisely the sanctions, as i said above, and now your complexes work in one segment, because i know that the complex creates one, in fact, it is a complex for the development of adjusting the fire of the stork 100 artillery, an intelligence complex was being developed. does this mean that the stork is now in the fury segment. does it have false conclusions? it's not quite. yes, we're not. we're not. one of us goes into his other segment. we've adapted to the possibility of performing both tasks as well as the fury, if you said correctly, the original stork complex was more focused on conducting reconnaissance there , conducting reconnaissance in difficult and metrological

conditions is a difficult radio environment, we adapted our complex for the successful introduction of correction of artillery fire yes, and i know from fury users that this complex can also not can it really successfully perform tasks related to intelligence, so well, it was wrong and even i consider it impossible if each of us performed only a narrow range of tasks. we still have to have a certain universality. but everyone has their own chips in those classes and in solving those tasks that we were, for which it was developed primarily, mr. artem massi has his own remark to such an assessment no, i absolutely agree with denis because well, first of all, today is not

the time, you know, to radically compare , uh, some separate solutions, uh, because there is really a shortage . tasks, of course specialization imposes such and such prior specialization imposes some er, well, er, they create some features of the complexes. but again , today it is about the fact that we can work for victory. and really, er, each of the complexes can to one degree or another perform certain tasks, so i think that at the moment it is not about any kind of competition, but actually it is about some kind of synergy and helping each other in order to overcome our enemy as effectively as possible. to increase the pace of production of the manufacture of

unmanned complexes, you both cautiously said that you have increased the pace compared to the conditions for years, i think at least tenfold , but are there really conditions for such rapid growth, due to which it is possible to increase the pace of production, what steps are you taking to really to ensure such a geometric progression in the production of systems needed for the armed forces, well, if possible, i will be the first to start. look at this . first of all, such an opportunity was stipulated it was laid down after both the stork and the fury were put into service, that is, all processes and uh that uh hmm, let’s say the structure of work with technical documentation was built in such

a way that our technological processes are clearly described, they are clearly fish cemented and this is real production in the direct understanding of the meaning of this, that is, we work according to the necessary standards or military guests and so on , so when it became we already had the necessary input and output data. in this way, we were able to build logistics and production processes, which allowed us to now increase production volumes, and this increase in volumes has already happened tenfold. well, that's my opinion . mr. artem, how did your company manage to scale from the point of view of fulfilling the

orders of the ministry of defense? well, first of all, let's say the capacity of our enterprise is the same. i think, like denis, they were much larger than what we actually produced for the state of the customer er because er the very procedure of concluding state contracts er in previous years it was such that in fact we had a year left for production itself well maybe four er well five maximum months therefore, under the condition of proper construction, let's say the procurement capacity of the actual production itself, it was already 3-4 times more, and the increase was one of the factors . a long period that allows manufacturers

to form a procurement plan to carry out let's say these purchases in a large volume and to guarantee uninterrupted work of the actual production divisions e secondly, denys absolutely correctly said that the technological documentation that was developed during the implementation of the reconstruction work is quite a design work technological documentation and the actual organization of production, it actually created the prerequisites for such a fairly simple extensive expansion of production when you just need to increase the number of people, the number of people equipment and actually this gives, together with the first question on logistics, it gives er growth times er, so there is definitely no problem here, and even if it seems to someone that er, it is difficult or impossible, i

can confidently say on behalf of our company that we can produce enough unmanned systems that our army needs. i think so. the situation is the same with dvora companies. and how is our relationship with the ministry of defense as the main customer today? does the military show greater flexibility in these new conditions interactions with industrialists, because in the previous period we had quite difficult, long negotiations regarding the price, such as what is happening now, are there any changes for the better that allow us to talk about the fact that in- understanding on both sides is already happening. i believe that such changes they are present, i will not make such a list out loud of what happened, but there is not only an understanding on the part of the performers directly from the side of the customer, there is an understanding of our needs as a

manufacturer, maybe somewhere we would like something i also once again understand that not everything happens at once, especially after the start of the war , a number of measures were taken to avoid getting into such a situation when there could be a threat directly to the production of personnel, all these processes were reacted to by the customer quite adequate, no one put any sticks in the wheels in the process of transferring production to and from other cities, including the partial export of production outside the territory of ukraine, and regarding the processes related to the implementation of the procurement procedure itself. yes, there are still certain nuances that it would be necessary to improve, and at the same time, i see

trends aimed at simplifying these systems , including, uh, in relation to this terrible show of the rcm, but well, we were already used to working in such conditions before the war, and now we accept it well, it's normal because everything can be fought. i know uh in the good sense of the word. that is, all these problematic issues can be solved and they are being solved now, and how much has the strengthening of the dollar affected your plans, because i hear from many defense enterprises that this is significant does it affect the predictability of the execution of contracts with the ministry of defense, or is there any way out of this situation, mr. artem p. artem, if you hear how the increase in the strengthening of the dollar exchange rate affected

the execution of contracts with the ministry of defense, artem, probably artem does not hear then p. denisov your answer to this question, it created certain problems because our products, both ours and furia, contain a certain proportion of components of foreign production, at the same time, such a factor was added here, as i have already said, in connection with an existing threat to the enterprise we were forced to transfer a number of technological processes outside of ukraine that are most sensitive to that, of course, the increase in the exchange rate of the euro and the dollar has a rather negative effect on these factors, but the customer

understands this and now it is accepted a number of changes in the existing legislation regarding the rule of winding up the customer's work with contractors, i.e. with companies like us, which must be solved, uh, this is a problematic issue, that is, uh, there are already specific steps that are taken by the uh, the customer of the referral on leveling the negative consequences of the increase in foreign exchange rates, mr. artem, please comment on the situation regarding the strengthening of the dollar exchange rate and the impact on the implementation of the state defense order. how does your company get out of this labyrinth , let's say so. actually blocked the implementation of current

state contracts, but as my colleague correctly said, the ministry of defense absolutely understands the situation, and again to some extent thanks to the approach that has already been formed many years ago, that everyone understands how the price of a product is made up, that it is not just some invented number, that it has a component of a lot of purchased components that are mainly purchased abroad. so for their purchase requires foreign currency, and i hope that, well, we are also doing the same work on clarifying prices, and we hope that the changes that my colleague said about will be accepted, and this will be resolved. uh, and there is no other way because if it is not done, then the execution of state contracts will simply stop, i

mean there are contracts that have already been executed, but they are still only partially fulfilled, but i understand that i am the customer. i think that it will be it's resolved, but artem. thank you for this inclusion. i understand you have a busy schedule. i'll remind the audience that it was artem vyunyk, the director of athlon avia, and then we continue our conversation with denis cherednychenko . basing before the war outside of ukraine i correctly understood your er words well if in the general sense yes er we left er departments that provide technical support in order to carry out continuous er repairs modernization technical support training er e tank operators and the most

sensitive technological processes. so we transferred them outside of ukraine, and it was done at your expense. did you receive assistance from the state there, from the city, from the ministry of defense, where is the promo strategist, that is, some state institutions that should take care of preservation of our defense and industrial potential , this was done at the expense of the company's own funds. how do you feel about the game? held a meeting with privately owned defense enterprises that manufacture unmanned systems with a proposal to transfer to ukroboronprom or documentation or knowledge about these or other systems for free in order to oboronprom started to manufacture unmanned systems made by other companies at its own facilities.

you say that directly at the council in which we took part, including the participation of e-e, the issue of the transfer of some technical documentation or the transfer of production at the capacity of okroboronprom was not introduced, on the contrary, and the conversation about the e-e initiative on the part of ukroboronprom to provide assistance to domestic manufacturers to solve some problematic issues, this is also a problem if someone has a lack of production space or some kind of problem with machinery , machines, etc. and regarding the transmission itself, hmm, no one has made such requests to us i sent, if it is true that you are talking about transferring technical documentation and

starting production on the premises of ukroboronprom. well, i don't understand the meaning of this proposal, because our company has been producing and developing our product and other projects for almost eight or nine years. years, i am already confused here in the numbers regarding the terms and er for transferring the production term to a completely different enterprise without the involvement of our specialists only on the basis of technological documentation, this is a process that he does not can be solved, probably. and in a year, i think so, understanding the processes and the state of complexity of our product, which is directly with us. as for this meeting, well, it was quite constructive and the messages were so to speak, normal and peaceful, to provide

assistance in logistical processes, legal processes to those who brought out such a desire in some er such um deliberate let's say the transfer of some documentation it was about that well, i'm not mistaken at this time the commander of the armed forces, general valeriy zaluzhnyk, was also present, he as understands, called on manufacturers to produce more unmanned systems for the armed forces in view of the needs, are there any general guidelines from the ministry of defense regarding the creation of new models that are really needed in the field, both against the background of those serial products that are already manufactured by companies well, i believe that the need for certain models it exists now and it is relevant, including companies that are

already on the market of ukraine, that is, certain manufacturers have been formed, and there is also a team that is just starting out , they can pull it in terms of creating of specific samples, those messages that were spoken by the commanders-in-chief heard them, and on their part, they provided information about existing projects, projects that we have, including there , together with our company dovira, together with the company ukrspecistams, we have certain developments which have not already passed the wwii and they are, in principle, ready to move to serial production and to fill with the necessary equipment

for the necessary class of our armed forces in relation to devices that perform in a larger class. i am sure that our manufacturers are here. i can’t even speak there for our capabilities or our kvk or but we can uh, for us uh, a clear formation of the tactical and technical task is necessary so that we do not produce or develop something according to our understanding and vision of this process that later it will be said that it is a little on the right now, first of all there is the question of the organization of the series of the large series and, of course, all other issues that are at a lower level, that is, the quality of the series, the stability of the series, and the safety of work, come out of this

of e-e enterprises and the adjustment of further adjustment here, as artem correctly said synergy, i.e., cooperation in those areas that are necessary for faster achievement of the goal, when you mentioned promising ones, i will surely mention the extreme exhibition of security weapons. where is your e-e company together with the company ukrspetssime demonstrated a barrage munition based on your aircraft. to promote the creation of this sample to the level when it can already be used on the battlefield er, work on this is underway and i have already said that this sample has already passed the awards or tests - we are the co-executors in this

project er the main stage of the development was carried out by the company ukrspetssystems, that is, the system that is in this aircraft, for our part, we made the necessary revision of the planar of our product , adapted it for such for this model and, for now, we are ready and have already taken steps for in order to carry out full-scale serial production of this particular sample, that is, now approach the stage of state tests or tests on the battlefield, and then mass production, yes, no, i already told you that this sample passed the initial test, or tests, that is, it is already ready for further use, now we are talking about

contracting and receiving an order for the production of this sample, that is, the number of terms and so on, that is, there are already such more working questions that you have any ammunition that you want is at the stage of preparing the contract, which after the series will already be used by the armed forces. well , in principle, yes, in principle, yes. you have the opportunity to see on the battlefield the developments of foreign companies in the segment of unmanned systems of various levels. how do you evaluate the technical and technological tactical level of foreign complexes that are offered today or used by the armed forces, primarily there are polish, american samples , turkish samples, or any advantages or disadvantages compared to our systems, well, look, i saw almost the entire line of all products that were imported to