everything here is perfect, but about the fact that their work actually helps ukraine in a lot of things, and in that they are the resistance, but what to do with such a release that is clearly not balanced, which is clearly, well, it would be possible if it were not for the war. it could be said that some from the pr management specialists there in the city of international in the central office located in london hyped despite the fact that it could be commented in a different way, it was supported by the general secretary and here is also a question and for me this is the most important thing that we have to do in this in cases you know, we and our international partners, first of all, have to think about how to deal with it ourselves that someone has criticized - criticized some of our positions . the rules of ihl, i mean our military, and they necessarily go through such training judging by everything, unlike

the russian federation, one hundred percent . such a reaction is very sharp, not a huge movement, which existed in 1961, which at one time was wet. well, you gave the example of israel, for example, the russian federation of amnesty international froze during the entire chechen wars because they constantly talked about the fact that the federals there exceed and break the rules of ihl here clearly it is necessary to understand that this is a huge volunteer organization, and the real question here is how they are with their position and how they are undermining their image with such things, how much money it will cost in the end, because they they live at the expense of people who will give them advice and to what extent our reaction will be adequately weighted and

how well we know how to react to it, but judging by everything and taking into account the context, this is the second wave of the russian information war against us, and when such things are highlighted, they increase to a huge elephant and then use it and then use it in order to somehow change the attitude towards us in europe and in those countries that support us. yes, of course, because these reports, these releases, and there are a lot of them, for example american television now has story materials about why give weapons to ukraine , give weapons to ukraine, and the position is also heard that it may not be necessary, and very often it is representatives or representatives of amnesty international and other legal protection organizations that are taken in the comments and, in fact, set up in particular people, i think that there is no need to give us weapons now, because you see, we are endangering civilians here, i also have a

question for you, ms. oleksandr, regarding these conversations that have been going on for several years now have intensified about the impotence of such organizations, they say, and pokalchuk herself writes about this in her post that they are completely bureaucratized, that they exist in order to exist and, in general, the people for whom all these reports and releases are written these are successful europeans who live in a peaceful world, who do not want to read anything very scary, who are used to the protection of human rights, which exists precisely in a civilized society, and they do not understand the reality of society at all have to fight against terrorist countries with such absolute aggression. and what do they say they can not adequately respond to exactly such challenges? they are too weak and disconnected from life to understand what combat is. do you agree with this and with the fact that these large organizations must somehow to transform very seriously.

i repeat once again this large pile of volunteers, well , that is, such organizations, they will live as they agree internally, and you and i, well, if well, i don't know. there is no point in wasting time on you know, i would exchange volunteer activity for the fact that we would actually create others. and we in ukraine are very strong . which there is no public organization, and the same state does not have a partner with whom it would be possible to discuss how society should solve the problem. and this means that ukrainians can do it. this is freedom, which is one of basic, it is fundamental freedom of association, it

is called that, that is, people have the right to gather and engage in some topic regarding what will happen to these organizations, uh, what will happen to them, what evolution needs, if they do not evolve, yes, they will die, you know why there are no beavers with short teeth or they died out, that is, the same thing will happen to any organization that is detached from reality, so to waste time on them, we should have our own future in them. and uh, for example, there is an organization in the neighboring czech republic which started with a small initiative inside the czech republic and is now engaged in a lot of a-a programs, including humanitarian support . well, we have been in the occupied territories for 8 years and the same. that is, no one prevents us from creating our international volunteer movements, and this is the fact that ukraine is ukrainians too are definitely capable and maybe they will be much more successful than msi international human race watch or the entire helsinki movement that

existed before that and all the more we will be hardened in such conditions as deterring the aggressor from which so far we won't get anywhere, he is our neighbor and to be honest, we don't have enough of such aggressive neighbors. so you and i have to do our own thing , and here it is important to understand that, for example, i would not really like the ukrainian office of semnist international to close, because after all to have an inner sense of people who live in this context, and oksana pokalchuk in this case is a person who is both ukrainian and the director of enisti international at the same time, that is, i will say it once again, she worked very hard to ensure that on the international e.g. on behalf of emnisty international to balance this information balance of the context of the ukrainian context to the ukrainian situation. that is why it is so important that emist international has this view from the inside from the

ukrainian side. so, as always, please explain because they really often discuss what you are talking about now you say, some demand that the entire officialdom of the international of ukraine be completely closed. they should all be fired. they should be fired, and others say that just as you say that they cannot be fired because it is there is a certain influence and a group of people who understand how this organization works, but such a question is not often asked. and why this organization? well, until june, the ukrainian one, if they have shown that they cannot influence anything, when such events happen, how then should they act, if they happen such situations that they are simply not listened to, well, that is, here it is important once again, you and i know when villages with problems happened entirely with the text of this release. to knock out, including and give this context to the

ukrainian one, i will once again repeat the reports in which the aggression of the russian federation is directly assessed, the city-states also betray a lot , you and i are simply vulnerable, we react first of all to what hurts for this release and at the same time when there are many positions that work for us, and therefore i would like the office instead of international to be here in ukraine, just knowing this inner kitchen of amnesty international would strengthen its position and then be able to in this huge russians, amnesty international, 7 million people all over the world, for example, a global rooster in which they have no impression at all of what is happening in ukraine - this is latin america - this is africa, this is asia, this is our potential contacts there, and we need their votes, for example that there should be a tribunal against the russian federation, which should vote, you understand. that means we, uh,

we have to look at it a little more strategically, so i would, uh, of course i understand, and this is oksana pokilchuk's full right, uh, to get out of this situation having resigned, but still having a ukrainian office , this includes having a chance to use the capabilities of the international capacity to support human rights in ukraine and protect against the global aggression that not only russia has arranged for us, but we see that they are trying to bring down the coalition around them of such fans of authoritarianism and this means that you and i need to prepare more and more for a global attack on democracy and freedom that we love so much tell me one thing because the huge number of comments that i personally do not not according to him, but there are just an awful lot of them, and this well, of course, we only have some kind of betrayal, everything is the hand of the kremlin, very often it really is, but we begin to call everything the hand of the kremlin and the dog and so

on and so on and of course this and from there the release amnesty international began to call it directly not even kremlin influence, but began to accuse the organization of the fact that it works for the russian federation for the kremlin. there are a lot of such comments. how do you feel about them? how can you prove that they do not actually work? do they work for russia or how should we treat it and well once again 7 million volunteers or someone there are many countries i well i i hope that there is something or people simply do not take this money i know for sure that the office of the city of the internet in ukraine definitely does not sympathize with russia and he does not take such money in any way, and even more so volunteers who joined the campaign for our roman tatar human rights defenders who are recognized as prisoners of conscience and for example a company for our e nu e aleksentsov, for example, was recognized as a victim

of wrongful justice in the russian federation that is, i really hope that at least our ru e-e ms international in ukraine will not be accused of such accusations, or hypothetically they can be among the 7 million volunteers. people who were directly bought by the russian federation can or can there be people who well, somehow they got immersed in this media propaganda and the magic of propagandists from the russian federation. hypothetically , they can, but if it was directly the decision of the leadership in the central office of this movement to support the russian federation, it seems to me that it is very such a useless accusation is due to the fact that because of the repeated content international quarreled enough with the russian federation, including that the russian federation has 10 military companies in 30 years of independence. it is actually a violation of the rules of

international humanitarian law, but i am asking you to pay more attention to the good and very cool analyzes of what is wrong with this release. defends itself and, accordingly, its strategies should not be considered in the introduction of war in the same way as in russia well, for example, wayne did it very coolly through an article on ukrainian pravda, because they are globo compliance groups that help ukraine precisely with the analysis of legislation on international humanitarian law what we lack there, what needs to be done, and he laid out in great detail what they are, from the point of view of international humanitarian law, covered in this release... thank you for explaining everything to us regarding this, i am absolutely with you according to the fact that we must rally ourselves

and defend our point of view with our own organizations, this is always correct, this is always subjectivity, which we so strive for, thank you very much oleksandra romantsova was with us directly communication, executive director of the center for civil liberties, i apologize, now let's move on to our second topic, no less. it seems hot to me, because you remember at least at the beginning. well, somewhere in march, let the terrible thing begin. in particular and women with children who went abroad, and people who stayed here in ukraine, especially in such hot spots, began to accuse them of saying that how was it that you were able to leave ukraine, how was it that you were able to leave there, for example, from kyiv, you should have stayed here now, you are you sitting somewhere in germany or france posting pictures when you are sitting in various cafes, you know absolutely

cynical scumbags, it seems that we have already outgrown this discussion and everyone's point of view has been heard that it is absolutely normal that some people leave or others do not leave. everyone has their own position, so that we all do everything independently to help the armed forces of ukraine, which are currently helping us, but now a new wave has arisen, as it seems to me, this is exactly the heid , or, again, a violent reaction to men who in some way went abroad this is either during the period when it was still possible for men to travel or some other way already after the ban and of course it spread and it spread even more after the youtube channel slava+, there actually speaking, the presenter records interviews with various people and after several interviews with such famous men who are now abroad

, a huge global discussion took place. well , first of all, vlad the impaler who gave who is now in the united states with his wife and son, his parents are in zaporizhzhia , was caught and they did not want to leave, and vlad yama in this interview with slavi plus said that he left immediately, but immediately on the 24th, the people got together and left, and now he is posting various videos there and there against russia, and he is there in ukrainian writes everything, but it's all the same many people are dissatisfied with his position, they say that he was a courageous man, that's how he was a sex sim, but now he showed himself to be just the last coward and dozed off right away. it's about sergey babkin , a musician, and the story itself. but his situation is a little different, he is also very active in his

on instagram, he also records songs and organizes some concerts and collects funds, but here the question is that sergey has three children, he can legally travel abroad. almost losing faith, of course, as he said , his wife forbade him to go to war because, well, his health does not allow it, but these explanations of his, hmm, and other arguments appeared that it is unfair, especially women, who are written by men who are not to the war, they write that why does my husband, we also have three, four children, but my husband went to war, my husband also has a disability, which he received, for example, back in 2014, but he went to war again, why did my husband go, and serhiy babkin did not go let's listen to our own serhiy babkin's explanation of what he thinks about these comments came to me, of course, but i take

it well, calmly, calmly why because my heart tells me that i am doing everything right, i am on the right path and all my actions have results in them i see him monatik dmytro monatik is also abroad. he gives a lot of different concerts and he meets with the military. he wrote that during the past tours, we collected more than 10 million hryvnias for the humanitarian needs of ukraine, but this is exactly his position that divides ukrainians. some people say that listen it's cool that a person collects so much money for the army, others say that it would be better for him to go to fight and not collect money, what do they say from the mask? the most complaints to me are against potap, because he left with

his wife and nastya kamensky even before the war, he appears there in a week also gives many different concerts, but it should be taken into account that potap was never particularly noted for his patriotism, he even had a pro-russian position quite often , and anastasia prykhodko even wrote a corresponding post, and accusingly, i quote that he as a person it's complete crap what he's saying now in my words in 2014, says anastasia prykhodko, then he criticized me for my pro-ukrainian position. and now they say he's become such a patriot, but probably the biggest conversation is mystical from the end of some simple detective stories around oleg vinnyk, of course because he he is silent, and at some price , how was it known that he has an apartment in germany, and when the great war began, there was no word from him, his last message on instagram was a greeting with easter and so on. nobody about him

he doesn't hear anything and or learns worries, of course they are looking for oleg, where is oleg, and oleg is not there and there are only rumors, either his health is very bad or he is engaged in racketeering activities, he does not advertise it, but in the end all the men i am now named them, there is still this positive , and so on. and so on. all of them, well, they created a sufficiently masculine image for themselves in show business. and now the question is, will this person's pharmacy not damage their image, in general, how will it be perceived ? will we have it after the war? some kind of transformation, well, we will talk about this now , of course, with a psychologist with valentin, mr. valentina. congratulations, can you hear me? i can hear you very well. thank you, mr. valentina. you know, i sat and thought and

figured it out myself. i decided for myself that ah, well, this is some kind of complete injustice, despite the fact that there is some kind of injustice from all sides, because you can really understand both military men and military wives. well, why do some have to go to fight, while others can use the right to go there or simply run away, but on the other hand, it is also unfair when men go to fight and women can not fight and even sit, then hate the men who ran away . how do you see this problem from a psychological point of view ? social, yes, because now in our society, such a very powerful trend has formed. i call it the cascade of guilt, we all feel guilty towards each other , those who left feel guilty also towards those who stayed in the country, who remains before those who volunteer , volunteers before those who fight, and the one who fights

feels guilty before those who died, and this is such a powerful emotional component that affects a huge number of strata in society and in general social issues that arise, we now see what is really - to be a sex symbol and to be a symbol of a defender - these are different roles, these are different symbols, and they are, well, appropriate in relation to their time, now there are not enough symbols now, not so much for sex, but now the question arises more about survival we see that there is now a very powerful process of destruction and reconstruction of personal brands, and this is connected with the image of such respectable persons of our elite and people who were in the front columns , we are now seeing such very interesting socio-psychological aspects because, well, first of all

, this heide is connected with the feeling of threat, and secondly, it is connected with such a trend of mistrust of each other, it's easier for us to bring all the tax combs. what about everyone who left or everyone who did not return, they are all traitors and yes next, it's easier to imagine how the picture of the world is created, one thing can say, we are all going through very stormy events now and our reactions are inadequate, we have to understand that all our conclusions that we draw are inadequate because the situation is inadequate, it is not normal, we are currently experiencing such events in which normal logic , normal psyche, it cannot survive, that is why we demonstrate such a huge number of geths or unconsidered expectations and trust in people who may not deserve it and a huge

the number of such emotional manifestations that we see every day on the street. and tell me, do we need to fight this somehow, do we need to restrain ourselves from these emotions , or on the contrary, is it harmful? you feel because you drank all this, you accumulate it, it can turn into an out. oh, auto-aggressive reactions, for example. yes, but every person is individual, someone needs to restrain himself, because he has already tortured everyone around him, primarily his family with intemperance, he was intemperate before the war, before the war, and now he’s completely out of control. maybe someone can say that to someone, after all, you really have to not hold yourself back, because you can’t keep everything inside yourself, really, we are all overflowing with these emotions.

normal, it is very difficult, very difficult, so everyone should listen and not focus on some general reaction. there is a general temperature in the room. yes, we see that society simultaneously demonstrates a large number of opposite trends. everyone has a lot of trust in each other, they meet soldiers on the street, strangers help volunteers, a huge number of people start volunteering, this is a sign of great trust. yes, on the other hand, at the same moment in the same society, there are trends of distrust when we start hating people who have left insolence, which yes, although well, you have to think about what is possible, the person who left there, the same monatik, for example, yes, or there potap, the benefit from their concert activity outside of ukraine may be greater if he will grab a machine gun with which he does not know how to shoot, will go

to the front and someone will have to cover him and spend his strength on monatik instead of killing the enemies, you understand, it is very difficult for us to say right now, we do not know, we soak it in the dark, because this situation is not normal from a psychological and social point of view, and therefore it is very difficult for us to demonstrate normal reactions. valentine, please tell me, because i have a lot of women i know who have left and who, well, are scolding enough or very openly or more covertly, what they say is that they are traitors, even though it is absolutely. well, they are not convinced that this is not the case, but now they have begun to attack such men among themselves. is this not such a projection ? well, i don’t know. this term is used very often. yes, in

such a facebook psychology, a person who blames himself for something begins to blame someone else for this. there cannot be projective reactions. and in general, this is cascading aggression happens, you understand, when you are not able to transform something, you demonstrate well, according to freud, a huge number of these adaptive strategies, yes , such neurotic reactions, including splitting can occur when we, uh, well, the whole world becomes black and white, yes, all the men who are in ukraine are all heroes, and all those who left are traitors, all russians, they are scoundrels, they are all just good guys, yes, this is also a reaction, the adaptation of our psyche to what is happening to us. therefore, is it possible to oppose this, this is your own, well, most likely, no, yes, you just need to

understand what it is that you feel, you need to communicate more with specialists, you need to communicate more in general, because these times they need a sense of community, these times need from we trust each other, it is easier for us to adapt and we have more chances not to lose ourselves when we communicate with relatives, loved ones and others. when we can direct this energy to rationalization, express it, and then we are allowed then it becomes easier for us to live all this. and if it is really three things in ourselves, do not share with anyone, accumulate anger, but then our society can burn down. well, if god forbid, this war will be long enough. well, unfortunately, this neighbor from us is not going anywhere.

this means that, within the framework of such self-preservation , we can become much more conservative and more inclined towards some such survivalists with some abilities and move away a little from that civilization which is a peaceful european one, and what do you think we are already demonstrating a huge number of such reactions that shows that we close ourselves off from the world, we start to trust the big one less, we start to trust only ourselves and those around me more, i can't say whether it's good or bad because it's just a range, good or bad will depend on how exactly will this war develop, but i want to say that the adaptive capabilities of our nation are large enough and the fact that we are already the sixth month against this onslaught of aggression is evidence

of the fact that we still have a resource, it hurts us it's difficult, we shout about it, but we are a resource, we are able to overcome all of this. exactly. thank you, mr. valentina , thank you for giving us your time. valentina, who was our psychologist on the direct line, we talked about, well, we started talking about how they actually hate as dissatisfied with men men men celebrities who always lead who went abroad in general what to do about it right wrong very difficult issue in general we live in a very difficult issue huge global and actually speaking every day every week we have some other scandals i i will remind you that today we also talked about the e-e report and, as a matter of fact, all these statements of amnesty international, and once again came to the conclusion that we may be dissatisfied with the work of international legal organizations, but the main thing is that

we can speak for ourselves, therefore the creation and development of ukrainian legal organizations of human rights defenders is a much more important issue than our lack of someone who works abroad, well , working means working. we must work in a different direction in a different way. if we do not i like what international organizations are doing. i think that this is absolutely correct, friends. that 's all for me today. i wish you a nice , peaceful day and evening and night if possible. we will meet with you in a week. i am sure that, unfortunately, there will be another series of scandals without them, we will not discuss them next saturday, and then watch the program of antin borkovsky. greetings, dear viewers, the espresso tv channel is currently broadcasting the studio program, the event, we will analyze the most important scenarios, military and deep scenarios