er, this is important from the point of view of the fact that it will be successful then, well, at least the shifts that we are now seeing in er for quite a long time, in fact, the vatican used the so-called osvolik of its own, in which it saw more through the russian prism, here er- e relations with ukraine and the more we destroy it, the better it will be. here is the third point - after all, it is the influence of the pope and the catholic church in general on latin america and on many other countries, so this symbolic step would be very, very important. and the question is whether he will succeed to do judging by the pope's illness, well, it is a big question, but it was good to create rovich political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development and dmytro sherengovskyi, an expert on international issues, about the

rector of the ukrainian catholic university. our colleague mrs. olya, we welcome you . we invite you to say good morning. khrystyna anti. well, let's talk a little about the general mood of russian propaganda and russian society in general. let's continue for a moment the general mood of russian propaganda, you know. he is so very strange , and the other day, one of the leading german tv channels drew attention to him. and what's interesting. russian propagandists that they even showed it in the program, i want you to watch it too and then i

will tell you something about it in more detail. we are constantly talking, we are experiencing in a surprising way, they are absent in russia itself. irina wants her in the future. go to the army, according to her, russians are now experiencing peaceful times except for the military operation in ukraine. there was no ukraine , no matter what . they didn’t share something, but the escalation is on the air landing forces of russia very cheerfully, they celebrate their holiday. as you can see, the fierce struggle in ukraine does not spoil the mood. ana is festive, my wife is from ukraine, so it is very it's close and painful for us, it's very painful well, i 'm saying it once again, there is no war with the ukrainian people, there is a special military operation against the ukrainian regime of the generation, so it does not pay attention to the war, ignore this topic and

enjoy the summer, everything russian soldiers are fighting in ukraine, the video does not seem to be playing in the everyday life of moscow and russia, russians demonstrate calmness, an easy, relaxed story, how the state leadership is destroying a series of countries and agreeing to life with boys who are comfortable, i don’t know the truth or тревежное ожидание well, while the fighting in the capital of russia continues in ukraine, people have decided to give themselves up to chance and live as fate decides in stokgol. russia's parasitical view of the world was shown here by down-to-earth german journalists in which they were amazed at how we celebrate our important holidays here. they have it there in germany or in europe, or gay councils, or transgenders are marching, and the russians celebrate the air force day in russia, they celebrate the navy day .

this is a very characteristic thing because well, it must be said that the germans in general, uh, get together and celebrate something, it happens with them approximately once a week, that is, on saturdays. you watch german television, it was just very surprising that the russians live as if their country is not at all the last war with anyone in the world, that they isolate themselves from reality and, well, there is a woman who says, oh, i want to the children went to the army. well, because we are a peaceful country and generally eat there is no danger of this despite the fact that a lot of russian soldiers are constantly dying in wars and this is happening, it must be said that it is not only happening now, well, for the last 30 years they have constantly had some kind of war going on. and

it is really impressive because if you say seriously in general, you know, the main schizophrenic motive of russian about the main schizophrenic motive of russian propaganda, because at the same time, a third of everything they show, all the news, is taken up by the war , planes are flying in, artillery is hitting something someone is advancing somewhere and in parallel. it seems that they are doing everything to present the situation as if the russian population has nothing to do with it, and as a result, the russian population really lives like that, and this is indeed a very strange motive. but which one should always be kept in mind when we we are talking about russia in general and we are talking about some reactions of the russians, some things, uh, this is from one side, from the other side, you know, this is

part of this video when they not only do not understand what exactly causes this surprise, they in general, you know, they are bought and simply pushed away from the rest of the world, he tells us that here we have something so unexpected, so good and very positive, and all over the world there is something very bad, and this is also the main motive that is constantly present in russian propane more it seems that this is not just a propaganda narrative, but this is, you know, a symbol of faith. it is as if we are dealing with a religious sect, and in this religious sect, in order to show that you are yours and that you are in it, you must say that in we're all like that, we're so straight, everything about us is beautiful , nothing affects us, the world doesn't affect us, and uh, everything is wrong in the world, and here, well, if you look at those traitors who defected to russia and

became uh in service to them, they also constantly broadcast the creed from russian tv channels. for example, there is kyrylo strydyavsky, who is currently one of those gauleiters in the south of ukraine. look what he says, and that is also interesting enough olga. i am not worried about the sanctions. and to be honest, it's very clear i recall the words of one of the heroes of balabanov's films, i'm staying, i'll live with her in handcuffs , that's why they perceive the usa as a country that can be useful to me in some way , moreover, i don't really accept this democracy, which smells of lies and destruction and in the absence of understanding what is the family institute what is the natural attitude of a person to a person they saw everything in the soviet union if this is so serious

, i am not worried about sanctions, you know i will live , but i am waiting to live in handcuffs, why in handcuffs i am not i understood that it’s so wonderful to live, if it’s so wonderful to live, what’s wrong with that, uh, but that’s what you know . that’s such a schizophrenic state, that is, uh, and it’s not worrying about the sanction, on the other hand, you know, it’s constantly broadcast, you know, it’s broadcast in russia, so what , uh, a the west must die there because they imposed sanctions against us, it also creates an absolutely upside-down and somewhat distorted picture of the world, that is, the west will bend, it will bend straight, well, you can hear this constantly every day on russian television, as, for example, in this fragments cold and hungry winter here they are, there are public toilets for men, a

woman is ahead, it may be necessary to arrange baths, a complete regression in some elementary plans for the future, they perish, they degrade, they degrade, they lose, they degrade, they lose their lives, they degrade, they lose their lives, they lose their lives, they degrade, they lose their lives, they lose their lives, they degrade , they lose their lives. europe is sad plus the new flow of illegal refugees and north africans from the middle east, they are in agreement with europe, which voluntarily, today, as a drug addict, gas consumption is snowing they are preparing themselves for the new, new hardships actually happened in the world, er, hmm, around the 70s, when the west supported the independence of israel and the countries, well, the oil producers in the middle east decided to fight the west, well, it didn’t

end in anything. israel exists, er, the countries that were then there they raised prices, uh, they continue to focus on their own, in their sales, on their own, all of this is happening to the west anyway, because there is no great alternative, uh, and uh, well, all these conversations they already had, but oh well, that’s not it less so it looks like russian propaganda is, you know, an attempt to present itself as such an alternative to the western world, and at the same time, it seems that they are some kind of direct defenders of all other enslaved people, as if they are part of the world. that is, it sounds so easy to hear that they were displeased, they just decided that they should have a society of such a common good. it's good there

and tell me, and you know it will turn out that the world lived well. show me please what's good well, it's so easy to understand what's good in your view or to go where to wash in africa to look for you live well they'll say so let's look at the formulas movement here's the word in general good exists good when they lived to the end of me or good when suddenly the food turned out to be some kind of supply, water, what is there, for example, to tell them, and you know that the coronavirus was raging in the world. therefore, the well-fed life of american european citizens causes an

unequivocal reaction all over the world, as the declared threat of energy collapse from the seven and the threat of energy collapse forced the metatsiyu of european politicians. the usual anti-western rhetoric, always using the soviet union at the time, showing and telling that they represent some alternative path of development, this is an alternative path of that development, that's how much he didn't show everything for 70 years, for some reason, he could not offer the world anything, meanwhile, everything that the western system actually offers, in general, is not an export of something , they have arranged a certain life for themselves. well, arrange

your life. why are you in your russia or somewhere there are some other countries that constantly talk about these or that the west is somehow not like that, well, do better , for some reason this is not happening and for some reason, instead of opposing uh, some other, better way of life, they always oppose some threats terrorism, war killings, why is it not clear, and , in fact, most likely because, well, there is nothing to offer, and in principle, the russians already admit it and say, you know, well, no need, well, we won’t. to offer, in principle, we have such and such a thing, what the hell? well, we

export the damn thing. well, that’s how they say, listen to these constant conversations about what we can offer to the world. must offer segodnya otzelknemsya segodnya to lknyomsya segodnya we have to because we are special, we need to meet ourselves, and what about the offer. who needs to be attracted to, and what is this personality? well, this personality is , in principle, only in order to create some problems for the whole world, which they also brag about and well, somewhere i am not i know that 50% of everything produced by russian propaganda is actually a story about how we will solve the problem for everyone, let's literally give a selection of this one, let's look it up, we don't need

to justify it. europeans, high prices. here are huge oil prices. here are huge gas prices. here you go. if you want a elevator in sweden, let's fight with us beyond your power. europeans, morons, they can only fight one thing. russians, they don't care about your well-being. and if they act like this и

дальше. now it does not say that air conditioners are turned off in turkey, that turks are forbidden to bathe, that turkish hammams are closed because we have nothing to warm ourselves with, there is no such thing. listen, beer has traveled in germany, the germans have n't gone anywhere yet, our percentages only need to be 600. they were banned. i remind you that this year they are themselves. build a system, that's the fence, that's all. the beautiful thing is

not too close to our borders. in the post-soviet territories, a more or less civilized life has finally begun, in which there are refrigerators, televisions, er, washing machines, which actually, well, practically did not exist before the collapse of the soviet union, what was that, you know, very, very much, and now russia is talking about what they they can destroy it all. well, they can destroy it, but you have to understand that they can destroy it exactly only on their own territory. because the whole other world is how he lived and how he experienced various ups and downs. he will survive this hysteria in russia so well and if with someone will have something left. it

's only the russians themselves, so no, no, don't think that you can isolate yourself from the world and live a comfortable life. no, it won't be comfortable . reservation for today. we'll see you. information space, but despite all that, the space is monitored by the enemy, and on the air of the espresso tv channel, the formation-analytical marathon is at the ninth hour and 47 minutes . yagun , major general of the security service of ukraine, deputy head of the security service of ukraine in 2014-2015. viktor, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. well, quite non-trivial

events took place in our country, so information was made public that they detained the former deputy head of military intelligence, who was even shot with makarov's pistol during the arrest, and so on. and here, by chance, another piece of information appeared. i don't know. it's verified. it's not verified. it concerns igor 's smile, the former head of the sbu. new information. and about this character who was detained. well, i understand that he was detained back in february. the information was simply implemented because there was a danger of his participation in the work during the war against ukraine

therefore, the matter was under the control of the leadership of the service, which was conducted for a long time, it was simply implemented, well, in fact, until the end , all the materials were finalized. but at the same time, even with these, it was clear that the country was quite actively working on er, the enemy and he was very afraid of detention. and actually this is an episode with a possible well, there is not so much shooting as an attempt to shoot back, so it is clear that he exposed himself and just now at the very beginning he was greeted with accusations in an attempt to resist, uh, or to detain the former

deputy head of military intelligence, and in fact he was charged with resisting arrest. well, because you see, the situation is very simple, when we mention the brakes in the states, you know, he was detained and convicted not for murder and not for what he calmed down there, you know, and for what they could document. at that time, there was a question of whether this person should be pulled out of the agent network of the russian federation so that he would harm our ukraine completely, at that time there was no evidence to collect all the evidence and prove it the whole case to the court, so as not to lose his shoes, he was charged and closed for that episode that was on the surface. and now that everything has been documented and finally confirmed to him, you are the accused for which he receives then it is clear thank you, mr. general, he wanted just

provide this information, it has not been verified, it has made public this information. this so-called country. so, without an investigation, it would be possible to find some funny tapes where it was discussed that he will head the government of ukraine under the russians, that is, to check this we cannot provide information, and that is why we asked you, perhaps you have some additional information, the fact is that e-e is, in general, the spokesperson of the main development department, helps us, tells us about the activities of this structure and about the successes, and there was a question about laughter and p andriy well, let's say he didn't deny or confirm this information, and it's clear that ukrainian society puts a tick in its head, yes, if it's not denied, it means that something interesting is happening there in the end, uh, first of

all, i'd like to ask you in general viktor, you know, it is very difficult for me. i know this person personally, i had such a thing. well, you know, he is older than me, he was my manager, he, uh, he was with him . informational conferences there, and it is difficult for me now to give an assessment. i do not really believe in my vision. i do not really believe in the fact that any political structure that is being created has a rebuilt and functioning mechanism of the so-called military elites. well, we are exactly

no no viktor reserve security service of ukraine deputy head of sbu at 2:15 p.m. we are trying to get back in touch i would now like to quote the already mentioned andrii ayusov, a member of the coordination staff for the treatment of military prisoners uh, besides everything, that's what mr. yusef remarked i think that the service that is engaged in counterintelligence measures inside the country will be able to competently comment on this situation, but it is definitely the case. i am not talking specifically about surnames to find out who was ready and who cooperated with the occupier at all levels, and when we talk about collaborators, these are people who cooperate and now provide assistance to the occupiers in the temporarily occupied territories, they are those who were preparing to meet with flowers and keys to the offices, and they should definitely be punished by a fair, independent court and investigation

, he noted well, let's wait until the name is made public, let's hope that major general of the sbu reserve viktor yagun will now resume his contact, mr. viktor, we would like to ask you about the progress and consequences of possible negotiations. about the meeting of president dovganna with putin. yes, we understand that even kadyrov was brought to sochi for a meeting with president erdogan, respectively. how would you assess the prospects of certain negotiations between the erdogans ? - this is the only leader of the western world of the conventional western world who is still ready to talk with him and extracts all the preferences that can be extracted from this contact

with putin. if putin thinks that he will outplay rodogan he is not deeply wrong, this is turkish politics, turkish diplomacy looks like a thousand -year-old root, and he definitely will not be able to outplay erdogan. whether erdogan is playing on the side of the west is another matter . actually, erdogan is playing his own game, and we need to understand that unfortunately, we erdoğan is not in that coordinate system in the sense that we are very , very needed there, well, they are needed as much as we are useful to him so far, unfortunately, it is another matter that the collective event must understand that they have to, well, very, very carefully follow those what are you doing? i don't think that he will go against the west there or start helping the

military in the coordinate system, but that he will be the last bridge for negotiations. well, yes . including on tourists and on transit and here he is from ukraine with ukraine and agreed on minus 25% on the horizon with russia, he agreed on cheaper gas there, he calmly accepts stolen he does everything only to benefit himself because he needs to win the elections, he needs to go forward and he should be in fact, in the right, so that everyone remembers him as a person who really has contact with the aggressor, and maybe there are some things,

some moments, that restrain this person, the company, the generals. we will put a lot of hope on president rdogan, although a neutral position is also extremely important in our case. antin and i will say goodbye to you for a while. the air is already being picked up. our colleagues will be waiting for you in a few minutes. news will be waiting for you with us. come with us to understand what freedom is until you lose it, and kherson can be beaten out of us just because we are ukrainians. it reminds me very much of the movie about hostages came from my house, the addressee, they

stole it just like that. come on, they tie you by the hand and knead it by the head, too, it's like sculpting a boa constrictor, and i don't know what's better. when a rocket flies into your house, or when you are put against the walls in some basements, what is happening in kherson is very difficult to show with footage, because all the horrors and all that quiet terror are happening in the basements, it is very important in this difficult time to be aware of what is happening, we tell the news and help to understand the events, but the war can make its corrections in if the broadcast signal is lost, watch espresso on the satellite now espresso has become available on two satellites at once viewers who

watch our channel on the astra satellite should readjust the tuner to new parameters because for the old parameters will soon stop broadcasting espresso ukrainian view thank you for watching victor derevyanko he 31 senior lieutenant of the state border guard service of ukraine was wounded on february 24 in chernihiv oblast. and seven more employees were fired upon by the enemy at dawn and shrapnel entered my heart. i am lucky that i survived after such first, the border guard was operated on in the chernihiv hospital, and then he was sent to kyiv to remove a fragment from the man's heart, the doctors wondered how viktor managed to survive, what he he answered them, you need to live, you still need to serve , the story of the man from znepopo