and there is a guy my age standing there, well, how do you know what it was like in the soviet union, you lived there, but he is, we will return the soviet union to you, we will show you to us, on facebook, they showed these funny soldiers, and really, you believe that this is an adult , but you show that they caught a scumbag they caught a scumbag, that is, it turns out to be a russian army of scumbags and when you talk to them, he leads you and you see that he is not a scumbag, he is a healthy uncle crazy is calm like a boa constrictor and you ask and where are you from and he says and i am everywhere 20 i've been fighting for 25 years. whom do you complain to? whom do you say? you won't lie down. there is no un. they don't say. no red. none of them are the same. well, who are they talking to? glaza, tell me why you came here. do you

understand what i'm talking about? i raised a grave there, my grandmothers are there, my grandfather lies here. what did you forget? i say, my land, my weeds, no answer. that i have no right apply your knowledge like well, that's how this knowledge is applied here, that's how we came to live in to pay for it, it's not very cool, when we were leaving in a convoy , a family was leaving, and there was a woman who lived in front of the village of oleksandrivka, which in principle no longer exists, like the village itself, there are no houses there anymore and she said that as soon as they tell me something, there are some signs that we did something wrong, i will ask them one question. and you lived in the occupation, there are a number of

objective reasons why people cannot leave today, even if they wanted to, it is impossible ago that the last trash was there on the road through david's breed, i don't know if you heard it or not. when a comrade was just killed there, a bullet flew into his forehead and then they came out and said oh-oh. and there were two women with children sitting behind him, he was taking people out every road to today it is so conditional it is a lottery ticket it can pass or you can not pass it can get stuck with me there at my friend’s husband they kept something like this where the path goes through david’s breed there is a conditional gray zone they kept them for three days in this gray zone as a shield just because who understood what ours were covering and knew what ours were there are civilians there, who knows where the checkpoint is, i still don’t know where it is, and here it is, all the cars, that’s all the line, this is the

exit from kherson after three days of standing in front of one checkpoint, i watched such cartoons, that ’s just what they told us, then remove the cars from the road or we will simply open fire on you, for a while the information passed, it seems that if people go with appointments for surgery or there are women with small children or there are people with disabilities, then they will be let through. and imagine the situation: there is a convoy of several thousand cars and they are walking two young women with documents in their hands, they carry documents that their child, who is not yet a year old, needs an operation and they go to the operation, they go with the documents with nadia in their eyes to that checkpoint well, they go and explain to everyone that there we are here the child, let us go to the operation, we will

show them the documents back, they go with these documents in their tights and shine because the russian military told them ok, we will let you pass their car drives past the column, everyone there is almost applauding , everyone is supporting them, they say let's go, at least someone now it will break out. especially if you have such a situation, hold on, girls. everything will be fine, and then the whole convoy sees this car driving back, because they reached the checkpoint and the russian military told them, and we changed our minds, and simply that anger and hatred for our brothers drove the silent silence it is dangerous for the whole convoy to leave through every russian checkpoint, at every checkpoint they can be shot, take something somewhere and make these people sneeze with you. they have no rules, they are not guided by anything, and these people at the checkpoints are not

the best representatives of the human race, in fact, and they can do anything to you and it is very dangerous to come through every roadblock. i also have a story. when i was leaving, they inspected my car and took away my last power bank . and even when i left, i told everyone that i had a legend that i was a volunteer. well, i didn't lie here, but that i would return, of course i lied about the fact that i was going to mykolaiv for medicine and would return. they didn't want to let me out because i didn't i had a power of attorney for the car, and then when they started to negotiate, this guy came up to me, took me, called me, let’s go. talk back. how are you going to drive? two new jbl speakers and everything will be fine with us and let me go. on may 2, we decided to go at my own risk and drove several posts and then a tug there is such a village behind the tug there was a post

where we were stopped for quite so to say almost i was calm because our phones were checked everything was ok that's why we are not transporting anything everything is fine well they said let's now unload your things show what do you have there and here, a little background story, when i went to rallies, an acquaintance gave me the flag of ukraine, the flag it was at the bottom of my backpack, the flag of ukraine lay in my backpack, and i started taking out things, well, it's calm here, because i don't have anything there, i didn't remember i took out the things and then the last thing, uh, the thing that was left there, i took it out , watched the lesson, and the first thing that came to my mind was that

you had arrived. everything i understood was that we were not going anywhere, and one of the soldiers saw the flag, took it and began to beg and shout, patriot we have here patriot, they put us in the back seats to a comrade, presented a loaded pistol to me, put a cloak of a super ukrainian on me, pulled the flag on again , and that's it. well, like a cloak, we went to their headquarters, there they put me facing the little house, we said sing. well, i understood that they wanted me to they tried, provoked me to sing the national anthem of ukraine or

about the red viburnum and i started to sing quinov don't stop me now i sang somewhere well there was a piece and one of them started shouting shut up stop singing one of those soldiers came up and said to ana show me your phone, my friend showed me, sasha showed me his phone, he looked at the products and asked what the normal phone was. who said no, he took this one for himself, and this one said well, it's okay, hey , what did he say, give me the password? i didn't think long. i wrote him the password, but i had an iphone xr and in the same place, in order to kill the phone, you need the internet, but

the internet was turned off the day before, he told me to get in the car and we went to the train station . they had some kind of wi-fi point, this wi-fi point , she started clicking something there to enter the id but also they asked me if i remember my id and i didn't remember because i have facebook there. i always leave it to myself. and when i need to change the settings, i just need to enter it manually, and the old phone said if you want me not to shoot you in the leg, then remember i was just sitting but i couldn't remember anything at all, the main thing was worse. especially in such a situation. well, then this soldier came, got behind the car, started the car

, and we started driving somewhere, and i didn't lose my mind, but i'm already like that. and now i've arrived for sure, but we drove there not very much and drove up to some there is the building of nova poshta, it looks like he was in a train, he went there, then about 10 minutes later he came out and said you are lucky, we hacked your phone, well, hacked your account well, i exhaled, well, we were stopped at least 30 times. roadblocks when something is already set up there, some bags are there, i don't know , but they were just standing on the road and just

stopped, they were checking all the documents, passport, etc., documents for the car, trunk, hood, glove box , bags, they say we don't do anything, they won't take you away, we can i only asked for one phrase that i will remember forever well, the truth is that there is always a grown man with a machine gun and he says to me malyshka and you are not afraid to go to odessa, which we will bomb just like kherson and you will run from there just like from we will mobilize kherson and your boy and what will you answer here, you sit silently when we saw the first ukrainian checkpoint we have never shouted so much glory to ukraine glory to the heroes thank you thank you thank you too good good welcome home hooray

we saw a car with a ukrainian during the battle the flag is the first thing we saw and such a mixed feeling of fear that seemed to have remained in kherson and freedom and tears, just tears, the whole car was sobbing. the next roadblock where are you from? we are under occupation, well , we are from ukraine, and we are from ukraine, but where are we from kherson, cherry, not kherson

, save for a couple of years. i lived in kharkiv, too, damn, i have two cities, one is kherson, the other is kharkiv, one is better than the other, but i can’t answer where now better in kherson or kharkiv in kharkiv now when i left kherson i was able to go and see the city in kherson now i can't go and i don't know what's more terrible the atmosphere i visited kharkiv felt the atmosphere visited kherson in kherson it was harder for me i i was not during the hellish flights to kharkiv, when the northern saltivka was blowing away the shards. but nevertheless, it is incredibly difficult there and there. but what is worse is probably kherson, because it is impossible to tell about it properly, there is no vivid picture and it hurts me a lot when someone says about that it's as if they don't shoot in kherson, first they shoot in kherson, flights arrive every day chornobayivka is

almost kherson from my house to chornobayivka 10 km and there are people living in chornobayivka and when there were battles for the antoniv bridge they flew in through antonivka and from the east and all the villages of tension were refugees they also fly over kherson and in kherson only bullets hit people somewhere, it is not clear where. behind my back, but there is a horror there, it continues every day, every day, people die, they die just like from shells, but it will be difficult to tell about it, it is very difficult to tell, of course, everyone is afraid to speak , of course, everyone is afraid to speak, and those who travel are afraid to speak because i do not have i don't know anyone who left with this family, you understand, and

many of those who left who would like to tell something are silent because they worry about those who stayed, they don't worry about those who stayed when i saw that they were leaving, all my friends there are acquaintances unoccupied territories and sat and thought, oh my god, you have time to shout to the whole world, you have to tell everyone what is happening in kherson, but i already left kherson exactly a month ago, and i can't pull myself together. that is, i have been in relative safety for a month, but every time when i give an interview, when they ask me what happened, how was it, i seem to relive these states and these sharp corners , they do not smooth out and they traumatize kherson even more. day

it was quiet around in kherson, it made me nervous, i wanted to be there. well, if i don't hear explosions, well, i'm worried, if i hear them, i think okay. everything's fine , we're nearby. well, you hear explosions, and you get used to it. there's a certain calm. what 's going on there? battles the main thing is that they are leaving, it means ours are here, our sick people, ours will come soon, i will tell you this, those who left kherson, after all, everyone is afraid of silence, i am sure of it the man stayed there for two months and supported everyone it's already been a month that psychosomatics have even started for me there, i'm a dinosaur, my pelvis is shrinking, and so the children are crying somewhere at night, so you left the occupation, but the occupation has not left you yet, i

'll be back . i'm coming back here, i'm gaining experience in the kherson region, there are already a lot of such buildings, as here you can bomb my base of the armed forces to knock out what we're going to bomb, i'm ready for it if my base, if it is necessary to bomb my base of the armed forces to knock out orcs and bombs from there victory or acquaintances who live in this village we will rebuild everything private the main thing now is victory will be wonderful i invite everyone to my place

i welcome you to the espresso channel our conversation today will be devoted to drones that are manufactured in ukraine and used by our armed forces in the war with the enemy but drones more and more is needed in view of the significant needs of our army, how to achieve this, my name is serhii izhorets, i am the director of the defense express company, which, together with the espresso channel, strives to cover the most current events in the life of our army and the defense-industrial complex. my interlocutors today are denis and cherednichenko, co-owners of the innovative production company deviro, which

manufactures the stork 100 reconnaissance drone. this drone is widely used in various versions by both the armed forces and border troops , as well as artem vyunyk, director of the research and production company atlone avia with the well-known unmanned complex of reconnaissance and adjustment of artillery fire fury 1 cm artem bijnyk is now on the way and we immediately we will add him to the conversation as soon as we can establish a connection. these two companies are currently the largest suppliers of domestic unmanned systems to the armed forces, and their experience and practice are the most significant in assessing the current situation and searching for an option on how to increase the supply of drones to our troops in view of the fact that we are provided with free complexes for foreign production, but we must understand that we must bet on our own production capacities in view of the fact that the war will

last a long time, and it is our defense industry that must satisfy the needs of the ukrainian army. if we have guests, then i would like to address our dear participants in the conversation, and i will not start with the first general question, five months of war with the enemy. and now i am saying that this is actually war of artillery and drones how do you personally assess the role and place of drones in the current war between ukraine and russia, or is there anything particularly unique about this confrontation, given the experience of using your own drone systems, and the first question is me i would like to address artem vyonnik directly. good afternoon, serhiy studio. well, of course, the war of drone artillery, but to say that this is unique at the moment, i wouldn’t say, because this experience already exists in the world and, in principle, in ukraine

. unfortunately, it is also one of the leading entities that use unmanned systems . unfortunately, due to armed aggression. e significantly increases efficiency of artillery means. in short , it is possible to characterize the effect of the use of unmanned air defense systems in this way. and the fact that this is an artillery war is absolutely clear to everyone , so what these five months of war have shown directly for your company and for e- of users who use your free complexes in the course of hostilities. good day.

look. well, these five months are here. eh somewhere eh make sure u the correctness of our concept, which was our architecture until then, and to receive a lot of material for further new scientific work aimed at improving the e-e product , as well as my colleague. i fully agree with the fact that from modern means of unmanned aviation they are extremely important and essential under certain conditions for solving the operational-tactical situation on the battlefield, mr. artem, where is your unmanned complex currently used in the conditions of hostilities, what is the main purpose of your systems? well, in principle

the unmanned complex of our production of our company furia, it is adopted as a complex of reconnaissance and adjustment of fire of artillery, but of course today in the conditions of a shortage of unmanned systems in general in the armed forces and our complexes and complexes of e company trust e-e they are used according to e-e let's say so for solving a wide range of problems, including for joint military intelligence, for observation, for correction, well, actually, like the stork complexes produced by my colleague denys. and what then the difference between the fence complexes in comparison with the samples of the company athlon avia e p denis, you can say that what is the peculiarity of your complex let's do all the maps we

will not reveal i think that my colleague fully supports this opinion uh, yes, the complexes are different but they everyone can be accepted and used under certain conditions, where they are the most effective, there are certain , let's say, different moments in use, our complex is built with a different dynamic scheme, we have software that is specializes a little in other moments directed both to the development and to the adjustment of artillery fire, the fury complex is a very modern and normal device that can work closely together with storks and with other

complexes, as well as the stork, that is, the solution to the issue with regard to the specifics of the use of a certain complex in this or another operational-tactical situation, it already takes command of certain areas of the front, and it is the proper use of our devices and furries and storks, it creates the prerequisites for the achievement of certain tasks, what is the total number of unmanned systems that were delivered to the armed forces before the active phase of hostilities, that is, directly in the ato navi company, in the dovira company, let's first

. hundreds of unmanned aerial vehicles, but in principle, the need that exists today both in the complexes of our production and in the complexes of the deviro company, it has increased significantly, and responding to these challenges, of course, both companies increase we already have our production capacity, i think that denis will confirm this, that we are already reaching the capacity that the current time and the actual need of the armed forces actually require of us, and let's put it this way, the need, of course, can be watered from the intensity of application from the intensity hostilities ago let's say the period hmm until february 24, of course, the need was less, now it is greater, we hope for objective reasons it will become less again in the near future, what is the situation with

your complex internally from the point of view satisfaction of the needs of potential and real customers, i, in turn, can confirm artem's words and say the fact that the challenges that were created before us, we are now solving them very successfully, and the sizes or volumes and scaling of our er companies i can say for trust er they exceeded all expectations and we are really able now to meet the needs of the armed forces in terms of reducing the expectations of the normal expectations of reducing the need for our products i have a slightly different point of view because i i think that thanks to the survey of the experience we

received, ours became really competitive in the world of that experience of using and i also want to emphasize not just the experience of using a certain test sample that was exported by the manufacturer and provided for the implementation of some solutions to some problems, on the contrary, we have experience in the wide use of series and series and in a sufficiently large quantity. that is, we can now produce those auto-apparatus that completely repeat their declared functionality from one unit to another and thus, we have approached the level of the world's leading manufacturers, so our products should not just be used as a need for our

armed forces, but have all the prerequisites for entering the international market and entering the this is exactly the sense, as i said above, and now your complexes work in one segment, because i know that the complex creates one. the stork is currently in the fury segment. does it have false conclusions? it's not quite. yes, we're not. it's not that we're entering. one of us is entering our other segment . if you said correctly, the original stork complex was more focused on conducting reconnaissance there. conducting reconnaissance in

difficult and metrological conditions is a difficult radio environment. we adapted our complex for the successful introduction of fire correction. artillery, yes, and i know from fury users that this complex may or may not successfully perform reconnaissance tasks, so well, it would be wrong and even i consider it impossible if each of us performed only a narrow range of tasks. we must still have a certain universality but everyone has their own chips in those classes and in solving those tasks for which we were, for which it was developed primarily mr. artem massa has his own comment on this assessment no, i absolutely agree