this in difficult and metrological conditions is a difficult radio environment, we adapted our complex for the successful introduction of correction of fire artillery, and i know from furia users that this complex can also, uh, can't it really successfully perform reconnaissance tasks, so well, that would be wrong and even i think it is impossible if each of us performed only a narrow range of tasks we must still have a certain versatility but er, everyone has their own chips in those classes and those with er the solution of those tasks that we were er for which it was developed primarily mr. artem mass has his own comment on such an assessment no, i absolutely agree with denis because well, first of all, today is not

the time, you know somehow so er, to radically compare er some separate solutions, because there really is a shortage . and, in fact, stork fury is capable of performing a rather wide range of tasks, of course, specialization imposes and that previous specialization imposes some er, well, er, they create some features of complexes. but again after all, today we are talking about what we can do, we should work for victory. and really, each of the complexes can, to one degree or another, perform certain tasks, so i think that at the moment it is not about any kind of competition. it is about a kind of reversal of the scenario and helping each other in order to overcome our enemy

in the most effective way. conditions for years, at least there, i think tenfold , but are there really conditions for such rapid growth, due to which it is possible to increase the pace of production, what steps do you take to really ensure such a geometric progression in the production of systems that are needed for the armed forces ? well, if possible, i am the first i'll start eh look at this eh first of all it was conditioned and such an opportunity was laid after both the stork and the fury eh were put into service, that is, all the processes and eh that eh hm and let's say the structure of the work with technical documentation was built in such

a way that our technological processes are clearly described, they are clearly regulated and this is real production in the direct understanding of the meaning of this, that is, we work according to the necessary standards or military guests and so on, so when the question was raised regarding the increase in production volume, we already had the necessary e-e input and output data for this. in this way, we were able to build logistics and production processes that allowed us to now increase production volumes and this increase volumes, it has already happened dozens of times, uh, well, this is my opinion, mr. artem. how did your company manage to scale from the point of view of fulfilling

orders from the ministry of defense, first of all, the capacity of our enterprise, yes and the same. much larger than what we actually produced for the state customer, because the very procedure of concluding state contracts, in previous years, was such that we actually had production in itself per year. well, maybe four yea a maximum of months ago, under the condition of proper construction, let's say the procurement capacity of the actual production itself, it was already 3-4 times more, and the increase was one of the factors, uh, it really became, uh, it really became a transition to another, a little bit of logistics, that is, a large order for additional quite a long period, which allows manufacturers to form

a procurement plan to carry out, let's say, these large-scale procurements and to guarantee the smooth operation of the actual production units , and secondly, denys is absolutely correct in saying that the technological documentation that was developed during the implementation of rather reconstructive work , i.e. the design documentation is technological and the actual organization of production , it actually created the prerequisites for such a fairly simple extensive expansion of production when you just need to increase the number of people, the number of equipment, and the actual together with the first question on logistics, it gives uh, growth times uh, so there is definitely no problem here, and even if it seems to someone that uh, it is difficult.

it is impossible, i can confidently say on behalf of our company that we can produce enough unmanned systems that our army needs . i think so. the situation is the same with the company. and how are our relations with the ministry of defense as the main customer today? are the military demonstrating these new conditions, greater flexibility in interaction with industrialists, because the previous period was quite difficult for us, long negotiations regarding the price are different from what is happening now, are there any changes for the better allow us to talk about what is already happening in understanding on both sides. i believe that such changes are present, i will not make such a list out loud of what happened, but there is not only understanding on the part of the performers directly from the side of the customer, there is understanding of our needs as a

producer, we can really do something somewhere. i would like more. i also understand that not everything happens at once, especially after the start of the war . a number of measures were taken to avoid getting into such a situation. the existence of a threat directly to the production of personnel to all these processes on the part of the customer reacted quite adequately, no one put any sticks in the wheels in the process of transferring production to and from other cities, including the partial export of production outside the territory of ukraine, and in relation to the processes regarding the implementation of the procurement procedure itself. yes, there are still certain nuances that should be improved, and at the same time, i see

trends aimed at simplifying these systems , including, in relation to this terrible word arkm, but well, we were already used to working in such conditions before the war and now we accept it. well, it's normal because you can fight with everything. to what extent did the strengthening of the dollar exchange rate affect your plans, because i hear from many defense enterprises that it significantly affects the predictability of the execution of contracts with the ministry of defense, is there any way out of this situation p artem p artem if you hear how the increase in the strengthening of the dollar affected the

execution of contracts with the ministry of defense artem, probably artem does not hear then mr. denisov, your answer to this question created certain problems because our products, both ours and furia, contain a certain proportion of foreign -made components at the same time, such a factor was added here, as i have already said that in connection with the existing threat to the enterprise, we were forced to take a number of e-e technological processes outside ukraine, which are the most sensitive, therefore, of course, the increase exchange rate of the euro and the dollar, it has a rather negative effect on these factors, but the customer understands this, and now

a number of changes are being adopted in the existing legislation regarding the regulation of the customer's work with contractors, that is, with companies like us, which must solve this problem the question is that there are already specific steps being taken by the customer of the referral to leveling the negative consequences of the increase in foreign exchange rates, mr. artem, please comment on the situation regarding the strengthening of the dollar exchange rate and the impact on the implementation of the state defense order how does your company get out of this labyrinth, let's say so well, let's say so, in fact , such jumps in the exchange rate of the national currency actually blocked the execution of current

state contracts, but as my colleague correctly said, the ministry of defense absolutely understands the situation and again to some extent, thanks to the approach that has already been formed many years ago, that everyone understands how the price of a product is formed, that it is not just some made-up number, that it has a component of purchases component products that are mainly purchased abroad. therefore , currency is needed for their purchase, and i hope that. well, indeed, we are also conducting the same work on price clarification. we hope that the changes that my colleague said about will be accepted, and this will be a question will be settled, and there is no other way, because , if it is not done, the execution of state contracts will simply stop, i

mean those contracts that have already been concluded , but are still only partially fulfilled but according to my understanding, i am the customer. i think it will be resolved, mr. artem. thank you for this inclusion. i understand that you are on a busy schedule. i will remind the audience that it was artem vyunik, the director of athlon avia, and then we continue our conversation with denis cherednychenko. denise, you said about the fact that your company was re-based from your main location to the war outside ukraine. i understood your words correctly. well, if in the general sense , yes, we left the departments that provide technical support in order to carry out continuous e-e, repairs, modernization, technical support, training of aa tank operators, the most

sensitive technological processes. yes, we moved them outside of ukraine, and it was done at your expense. did you receive help from the state, from the city, from the ministry of defense, where is the promo strategist, that is, some states institutions that should take care of the preservation of our defense and industrial potential , this was done at the expense of the company's own funds. and how do you feel about the recent initiative of ukroboronprom, which held a meeting with privately owned defense enterprises that manufacture unmanned systems with a proposal to transfer to ukroboronprom either documentation or knowledge about these or other unmanned systems so that oboronprom starts manufacturing unmanned systems made by other e-e companies at its own facilities, how to treat this e-e if we are now, i understand for which

meeting you say that directly at the meeting in which we accept participation, including the question of the transfer of some technical documentation or the transfer of production to the capacity of okroboronprom has not been introduced, contrary to the hair about an initiative by ukroboronprom to provide assistance to domestic manufacturers to solve some problematic issues, this is also a problem if someone there is lacking in the amount of production space or there is some problem with machine equipment, machine tools, etc. other eh. and regarding the transfer itself. hmm, no one has sent us such requests, if that is true, what are you talking about to transfer technical documentation and

start production on the premises of ukroboronprom? well here i don't understand the meaning of this proposal because hmm our company has been producing and developing our product and other projects for almost eight or nine years now, i'm already confused here in the numbers regarding the terms and er for transferring the production term to a completely different one the enterprise without the involvement of our specialists, only on the basis of technological documentation, this is a process that can not be solved, probably and in a year, i think so, understanding those processes and the state of complexity of our product, which is directly with us, and regarding this meetings well, it was quite constructive and the messages

were so to speak normal and peaceful, to provide assistance in logistical processes, production processes to those who brought out such a desire in some uh-uh, uh-uh , intentional, let's say, the transfer of some documentation, it was about that. well, i'm not mistaken on this council was also attended by the commander of the armed forces, general valeriy zaluzhnyk, he, as he understands, called on manufacturers to produce more unmanned systems for the armed forces in view of the needs, or are there any general guidelines from the of the ministry of defense regarding the creation of new models that are really needed on the battlefield against the background of those serial products that are already manufactured by companies. well, i believe that the need for certain models is now er and it is relevant, including

companies that are already on the market in ukraine, that is , certain manufacturers and a team that is just starting out are only able to pull it in relation to the creation of specific samples. information about existing projects projects that we have, including there together with our company dovira together with the company ukrspecistams, we have certain developments that have not yet passed the bbb and they are, in principle, ready for e-e to move to serial production and to carry out the filling of e-e necessary equipment

for the necessary class of our armed forces in relation to devices that perform in a larger class. i am sure that our manufacturers are here. the formation of the tactical and technical task itself, so that we do not produce or develop something according to our understanding and vision of this process, which will then be said that it is three-littles not the same. now, first of all, there is the question of organizing a series of large series and, of course, from this all other issues that are at a lower level, i.e. the quality of the series, the stability of the series, the safety of the work of the

enterprises, and the adjustment of further adjustment, come out. that is, as artem correctly said , synergy, that is, cooperation in those directions necessary for the faster achievement of its goal, when promising samples were mentioned, i will definitely mention the extreme exhibition of security weapons. where your e-e company together with the company ukrspets systems demonstrated e-barrage ammunition based on your aircraft, is this direction implemented today by your company, or are there financial opportunities, human resources, in order to really promote the creation of this model to the level where it can already be used on the battlefield, work is underway on this, and i have already said that this the sample has already passed the initial tests, we are the co-executors of this

project. the main stage of development was carried out by the company ukrspetssystems, that is, the system that is in this aircraft . for such for this sample and uh, at the moment we are ready uh and have already taken steps to carry out full-scale serial production of this particular sample, that is, now you are approaching the stage of state tests or tests on the battlefield, and then already serial production yes, no, i already told you that this sample has passed the certification tests, that is, it is already ready for further use, now we are talking about

contracting and receiving an order for the production of this sample, that is, the number of terms and so on, that is, there are already such more working questions that you have a willing ammunition that is at the stage of contract preparation, which after the series will already be used by the armed forces well, in principle yes, in principle yes you have the opportunity to see on the battlefield the developments of foreign companies in the segment of unmanned systems of various levels. how do you evaluate the technical technological tactical level of foreign complexes that are offered or used by the armed forces, first of all, there are polish american models , turkish models, or any advantages or disadvantages compared to our systems? uh, i saw almost the entire line of all the products that were imported into the territory of ukraine and took uh, uh,

participated in military actions, uh, they are quite uh, uh, interesting samples eh samples that were developed and it can be seen from them in calm conditions eh, that is, the appearance eh the very approach to execution, the cleanliness of production and so on, i rate it very highly in terms of functionality and in terms of comparing the possibilities or something a little not yes, regarding the comparison of their possibilities to work in those conditions that exist now. in the conditions of this war, i can say the following: what are the examples of the motherland and from a number of companies, they are not at all worse than foreign models, something may differ somewhere in the plan

automation of software processes in relation to the operational possibility to transfer information of some automated system to the automated control of combat or troops in relation to our complexes we also have the same ones in development they are already implemented they are already working but we had a different vision, because we did all this in different conditions, because of usability. so, excuse me for such a word, i believe that our complexes are built precisely on the basis of that experience that gives an advantage over compared to domestic foreign complexes, the foreign complex is, in most of those who have

seen it, they do not withstand such intensive exploitation as the stork fury can withstand. e working military vehicles that must be ready for use every day at every time and one more fact - this is technical support because it is impossible to make an unmanned aviation complex that it does not fall under the influence of external factors, therefore, timely and er very fast technical support at the moment is er almost one of the main conditions under which this or that serial product can work stably at the

front if you reserve all that i said er as of today, with the extreme modifications introduced into the pitchfork complex , i know some modifications of the fury complex, you are also on the full extent of other manufacturers, our ukrainian complexes are not at all worse than foreign analogues, this is a false statement that some there is a danish, german and other complex, it will perform tasks better than a stork. it is better not to do this on the battlefield. it happens there where politicians can politicize the vec and carry out tasks. the foreign majority of foreign complexes simply includes the emergency mode of returning to the base. but it is not able to continue the task under certain conditions, therefore, we have already reached the level

when our product is suitable for use in almost all conditions of external influence on this complex in the future or if at the request of some e-e customer on the part of foreign customers there, something needs to be done in order to integrate our products into their system, this is no longer a problem at all, because the architecture that was adopted by us as a basis already allows it to be done. that is, we have all the necessary channels channels for all output data that can be integrated into any system of automated information processing, if i correctly understood some of your statements, then foreign unmanned systems do not work in those harsh conditions of rap on the battlefield

where they can survive and carry out their missions, it is the ukrainian unmanned complex, first of all, you are talking about fish, yes, i, yes, i speak for uh, not only for rap. like this, if the worst thing that can happen to a drone on the battlefield happens , under certain conditions, i have confirmation, well , information about the fact that even for the seasonal complex, this one does not work where our complexes work, and this is, well, this is not advertising ours domestic manufacturers, this is a fact, and because i will repeat myself once again, these complexes were developed under certain technical conditions, even the combat experience of using these complexes of those developers

or those countries that produced them, as a rule, they were in some local conflicts where there is no such technological armed adversary that we have uh and that's exactly how uh under certain conditions uh where foreign equipment refuses to work our devices work and what are the general statistics of losses in your complexes in view of that influence of the enemy on unmanned aerial vehicles, which is in the first place, there is the physical impression on our aircraft, the system, the incompetence of the users , and how was the hierarchy of the impact on e losses distributed in the first place is e-e physical damage to e-e aircraft from e-e air defense equipment e this is currently the biggest influencing factor, and

this factor is a direct proof that such a product, our products are effective and the enemy considers them eh, eh, even the first and sometimes the primary targets for air defense means and does not even spare the legs eh- is missiles and it is assumed that the cost of firing this missile will be more than the cost of the suicide of an unmanned aerial vehicle. well, in principle, at the beginning of the war, the most important factor that affected the losses was difficult weather conditions conditions when our products worked at heights that are not even prescribed in the manual for flight operation, that is, fog, low cloud cover, the task must be performed,

the task was performed at heights there and from that meter, but there were facts and there were facts there 150 and 50 m when our planes were shot down even with small arms, these are the main factors that led to losses. and at the moment, we are observing a significant improvement in the skills of the operators, we see that the operators are developing in this direction, and if there were problems before, when there there were no full -time positions, they could so figuratively show er to some guy from baltsia and say you have a phone there and you will be appointed there as an er operator of the bpk, well, i will get it. well, yes, it used to happen, but now we are observing a significant