very significantly, let's say, differs the situation in taiwan from the situation in ukraine, where the united states gives weapons, but never, let's say, did not give a commitment that they will defend ukraine with their armed forces, you know mr. oleksiy shevchuk, such an opinion , preparing for this program, that the dust flew from the region, but left there a lot of problems for the world in general and for the region in particular, it was, you already explained this visit, this visit is perhaps even more for the dust itself and its supporters for the united states, but for to the region, this visit really brought some problems, problems may arise after this visit , problems have already arisen, if we are talking about what is currently happening around taiwan in these maneuvers, uh, that is, china will most likely press, i will tell you a story like this, for example, that

america it clearly shows demonstrates china that it does not respect let's say it does not recognize china's sovereignty, well actually yes although it is said that they recognize that they support the idea of ​​one china, they do not establish or recognize taiwan as instead, they constantly challenge a separate state, that is, an american ship passes through the military strait between taiwan and china, then there are business cards of moose, in principle, other officials. they go there very often. in 2020, the minister of health of the united states was in taiwan. did not simply cause such a reaction in whiteness, after all, a fairly high-ranking person in the us government system, but the chinese are really mistaken in that they put an uh, if there is an equal sign between the pilokas and

biden, they believe that it is only satan as they say one one one one one one one party one one one one ruling system, although biden clearly said that this is her personal decision, this is not an official visit, it is like a private visit, it was not carried out as with ceremonies yes that is, it is her own initiative and you understand here there are problems arising precisely because, on the one hand, the chinese are too worried, that is, they could not, of course, cannot not react to this visit , but in some ways this reaction was exaggerated, but it is very clear that china will now be all kinds of attacks -is in every way we can prove that his sovereignty has not been violated, that taiwan is an inalienable part of him, and that he will constantly prove to the united states and everyone around that no one has the right to encroach on taiwan, you and oleksiy have already

jumped a little ahead and started talking what i wanted to ask you about, in particular, you said that biden was not drunk, but in china, on the contrary, they think that he is one satan, so you explain one thing to me, and the president of the united states of america, joe biden, says that his country adheres to the principle of one china is flying to taiwan and says that the united states of america will not allow the isolation of taiwan and will support it constantly and will not allow china to do anything to conquer it. i understand that this is her personal opinion, but still, what principle do they all adhere to - still in the united states of america that it is one china or that taiwan has the right to independence, has the right to be a sovereign state and has the right to

separate from china at some point when a referendum is held, well, see if we see the official the statement is, after all, that the american policy remains unchanged, in fact, it uh, it has another name, it is called strategic uncertainty, strategic uncertainty, it means that on the one hand, yes, we recognize china, we do not recognize taiwan, nevertheless, we have security agreements in taiwan we sell taiwanese weapons to american large options, and that is, all or all of us support taiwan on this, but you understand. there is a limit here, that is, even in its contacts, the united states does not tell the taiwanese that this is official. yes, these are official contacts, even in the past. in the past years, when the leaders of taiwan arrived on the territory of the united states, and even where they met with american

officials, they were also high-ranking officials. they were not presented as official visits . all the same, it gave china a reason to criticize such contacts, that is, they are generally against any contacts between official representatives of taiwan and official representatives of any other country in the world that is, including the united states. and what is the position of oleksiy of ukraine regarding this issue regarding taiwan? well, in all documents we recognize the same china, and we also have what is written in all declarations and treaties with china. the principle of one china, on the other hand, this does not exclude, let's say, trade, economic, cultural ties between ukraine and ivaniv, but it is necessary, uh, you don't understand very clearly, to

track in our country there was, as you know from history , an incident in 1996 when almost incognito came here vice president ivaniv arrived, who in his application for a ukrainian visa called himself a professor at taipei university, and then it turned out that he was actually the vice president of taiwan, and he was also here. it's almost like an official visit, although nobody in kyiv actually knew about it. and because of such an event, let's say, relations with china and ukraine were frozen for almost a year at that time. china then punished ukraine and after that of the incident, in fact, ukraine did not allow such uh, let's say such blunders, yes, diplomatic or

taiwanese, but now, as we have seen, there are certain contacts and, first of all, taiwan is ready to help ukraine humanitarianally. we have already seen conversations held at various levels there in taiwan and at the level some parliamentarians and for example, mr. klitschko contacted officials from taiwan, that is, talking about some projects of possible cooperation or restoration, that is, i think that , that is, there is some kind of limit beyond which it is possible to work let's say ways to work with taiwan without being exposed to a bad reaction from china, that is, i mean economic cultural ties, exchanges of education with education, our students in taiwan are now in the chat and where they want to come, that is, such cooperation, humanitarian aid, all this can be, but it will all

be equal be based on the principle that ukraine officially recognizes one china. thank you, mr. oleksiy , thank you for your professional opinions. thank you for helping me understand some difficult and problematic issues for me personally and for our viewers. regarding what is currently happening around taiwan, what is the reaction of china, what is the reaction of the united states of america? well, the world in general. yes, it was oleksiy koval, an international journalist, a member of the board of the ukrainian association of china. well , my second guest is ready to join me - this is serhiy danilov, the deputy director of the center of middle eastern studies kudos to ukraine, mr. serhiy kudos to you, congratulations to the audience, thank you for joining. well, i will say to the audience again that based on mr. serhiy's presentation, our audience has already understood that in the second half of the program, we

let's talk about the middle east in particular. but not only, mr. serhii. let's start with the main topic of the last few days. what's going on in the middle east? i mean israel and the islamic jihad between the palestinian authority . palestine palestinian autonomy in our country we recognize them so that in this sense the official name is palestinian autonomy i knew that i just wanted you to say it for our viewers and now the question is please tell me how much explosive situation precisely in the region, because yesterday there was information that from 20:00 the truce was supposed to take place, it took a little longer and then it started, then confirmed this icelandic jihad, it started already at 23 with a

penny but it started then they started to appear to appear i apologize for the information about the fact that the shelling is still taking place, please tell me the region a-a now there is an explosive situation if we talk about this particular operation, i do not see it developing into something more the matter is because other palestinian factions, starting primarily with hamas, which has all the power in the gaza strip, distanced themselves, and the head of hamas made a statement that simply called for restraint and called for an end to hostilities, he did not call for an uprising, he no, he did not state that hamas is joining the islamic jihad and uses its resources,

in particular its rockets, to bombard israeli territory from the other side. chihan occupies such a slightly influential place among the palestinian movements and the armed ones, in particular, that is, even their environment, he is considered, well, this is what you can say extremists are, in addition, islamic jihad will not need help from the side of iran if the other palestinian factions there, fad or hamas, are oriented towards arab countries, turkey or separate political movements, such as the muslim brotherhood, the helihuana muslim , the islamic jigan, do not need anyone's help in this sense, they are quite different in their views, e.e., the way of acting, positioning

inside the palestinian community and the situation would be explosive if the operation dragged on, peaceful citizens would suffer, well, i really want the islamic dzhigan, there is no doubt that either he himself , or his rockets fell on peaceful houses and killed children, or the israelis inflicted blows that would kill more civilians and that the hostilities cover the entire gaza sector. now we see a rather restrained reaction, and the president of the postin autonomous region called for an immediate cease-fire, and homa made such a statement the statement cannot be called a mobilizing one, so today the meeting of the security council will be closed because it was not initiated by the united arab emirates, france

, china, there are still a few countries where this escalation will be discussed. actions regarding this or that side on the part of no regional players no uh other uh big let's say so conventionally say the countries of the world we see so so continue and see that yesterday the cabinet was meeting from the very morning there were messages that and uh the israel defense forces and the israeli special services and the israeli prime minister agreed that we are completing the target-throwing operation, and yesterday there were informal talks on various channels with the jihadists throughout the day in order to announce a truce at night. they broke it. new morning, they broke the

shelling. it was important for israel, how does it look like, that this is an attack on prejudice, it was obvious that there was information about the accumulation of power by the ruslan jihad, the production of new missiles, and they were afraid that somewhere during the elections, for example, from the israeli elections, the islamic jihad will have enough means to break through the iron dome, so they decided not to drag the elections in the wrong way and strike a blow to prejudice, well , strange, you know, a blow, well, that is, the result of this blow to prejudice, if you say that yesterday they came, i agree i mean israel, that the goals have been fulfilled, today they started shelling again with rockets, which they apparently destroyed, and you say there will be no further development. no, i don't want there to be development, of

course, of this situation, but to me it looks a little strange well, it is strange, but in islamic jihando, the situation is hopeless. israel tried to destroy the entire leadership, and to a large extent, it is obvious that you can trust the reports of the israeli press. that they succeeded, and obviously some factions of the group that remained with their rockets can already act independently, and such a thing cannot be ruled out. but then we enter the field of conjecture and we have to wait for more fantasy in order to understand what happened that night, last night, how they reasoned all this to themselves. what are the circumstances they were pushed to such a step, well, god forbid that they still come to an agreement and that there is no escalation, mr. sergey, let's talk now about one more

thing, well, an important thing that happened . putin and erdogan in the russian city of sochi. please tell me , in your opinion, it was a meeting of two equals. did someone come as a vassal? and someone was there as a sovereign. i think it was a meeting of two lame ducks. was in a better situation and er could satisfy or not to satisfy the interests of the other side and vice versa in other issues putin is like a lame duck and is forced to turn to erdoğan and it was against this background that these negotiations took place and who needed this meeting more for both sides and for erdoğan he has elections

next year, he has high inflation, he has a tense internal political situation, he needs an operation in force in order to start resettlement back, research, not back to their homes, but back to this country, some of the refugees are well needed money, erdogan really wants to start a nuclear power plant, redagang wants cheap gas, erdogan wants money and wants to continue what has been successful for him , uh, here is this grain campaign. arena, putin needs a window , he needs opportunities, he needs a country through which sanctions can be circumvented. it is important to putin that

they come to him, he is not completely isolated because of such erdogan - this is the magnitude of these contacts legitimize putin. putin needs to establish how does he think of his successes in the war against ukraine and for this he is ready to negotiate and make the current front line a border and present it as a victory, well, putin needs to sell his gas and do it in such a way as to break european unity regarding the rejection of uh, we didn’t succeed in paying in rubles or from europe, but here it’s obviously partly possible, yes. well, uh, putin also needs trade partners from europe, will it fall, or do they understand that the window of opportunity in the main market is closing and it is necessary to look for some substitutes, in particular in

in the technological sphere in other spheres and what did they agree on the series because after this meeting erdoğan said that he was satisfied well, we can only guess if we analyze the text of this rather strange text of their joint committee about the importance of the parties without it i am from memory, perhaps not exactly on the content. i conveyed the possibility of countering terrorists that uh, individual commentators, in particular, very professional ones such as mrs. yevhenii agagda, the best is probably not in ukraine, but in general in the region, a specialist she interpreted the warning as partly, well , russia's hidden consent to and some limited operation in mantiche on the eastern bank of the euphrates, what actually he wanted and the cardigan needed to

neutralize the russian aviation, but he did not want to fight with russia in the air and for russia to provide air to the house or wheat groups under the control of early or kurdish self-defense units stationed there, it is actually obvious , very likely. i agree with zhenya and yevgeny that turkey may start a limited operation on the east bank and the front, mr. serhiy. please tell me what about iran. very recently, there have been many meetings with the participation of the leadership of the islamic republic, and the impression is that iran is somehow returning. well, he does not want to become a peacemaker in the region, at least, but he is often

involved. why? that's right now there are instruments of influence on regional politics and it really poses a threat and this is the second third uh-uh there is a long history of communication with iran on the arab countries of the persian gulf in general such anal states are very they don't want the situation to escalate in the morning, especially the more hostilities, war is always expensive and war destroys plans, and there everyone thinks about development, that's why they try to avoid it. they all understand that wounds are the enemy or wounds are a threat, but a threat from their point of view is better to talk about than to ignore it, this is their position such and it contributes to the fact that the iranians can achieve certain of their goals not only by force, not only because of their traffic jams, etc. groups are armed, such as all currents,

we have something cut off the connection with you, we cannot hear you, political problems with the connection because we will trying to reestablish contact because in the pictures there is no perfect connection please tell me there is no passport now we will try to reestablish contact while we are reestablishing contact eh i want to remind you of what we just talked about with mr. serhiy about iran in particular i wonder how i will ask him in the next question how iran in particular feels in this situation, when it is invited to one meeting, invited to a second meeting, invited to a third meeting - this is despite the fact that until now only sanctions were introduced against it, which were well beaten according to its economy, it was forbidden to sell oil and gas in the world, and thus iran did not receive these oil and gas dollars, the economy did not invest in its

economy, did not develop its economy, and here they became, well, such a country that is returned to the world it will be interesting to hear mr. serhiy's opinion regarding uh this mr. serhii you must hear me like this again and again there is no connection and what is it someone is trying not to give so now i can be heard mr. serhii then please tell me how does iran feel when it is constantly returned from in this, in these negotiations, well, some kind of pride is beginning to manifest itself and those who count on us are turning us back well, pride is returning but at the same time, iran feels very threatened because, er, it is partly pride and partly fear that forces it

to return to talks about joint anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense in the middle east, they aim to protect themselves from iran. the united states clearly said that they will not allow the appearance of nuclear weapons, and biden suggested the use of force, the israelis said that they could to carry out pre-emptive strikes, but this summer, in mysterious circumstances, several high-ranking representatives of the commanders of the islamic revolution guards corps were killed in tehran and at the alilus base , that is, in those places that are considered the most secure and those that are protected , the hunt for engineers and leaders of

the nuclear and missile program continues, so that i i would say that there is room here not only for the feeling of increasing its weight among the iranian leadership, but also for the feeling of danger that is quite close to mr. serhii. do you not have this impression? well, in it is obvious to me that the strengthening of these trends is middle eastern. i would say that there are agreements within the middle east. they are trying to push the united states out of the region and this is clearly happening. well, let's remember that the united states itself left the region to a certain extent and this happened before trump and it took place under obama and they argued that we cannot be responsible for everything there, we need to focus

on the intra-american agenda and you, please, figure it out here yourself and there after the murder of the saudi journalist khorolge, the united states imposed sanctions on saudi arabia, its closest ally, and the countries of the region found themselves in an unusual situation when their main security partner denied them the usual contactless services, let's call it that. and they faced all those who attack the airport of the capital of saudi arabia with iranian missiles or destroy the oil infrastructure of the united arab emirates when ports are bombed when iranian drones carry out a complex multi-layered the attack by drones of these on the largest most

she in that fields of saudi arabia imponaft company in the morning so that mr. president in a certain sense the united states now even i would say are returning and not leaving in a certain sense well , i hope, after all, what about the return of the united states of america to the united states of america security in the middle east region no well the situation will not escalate thank you mr. sergey for joining me today on the air from the world at war program and helping understand difficult situations from a very difficult region, i will remind you that serhii danilov, deputy director of the middle eastern studies center, was in direct contact with me. well, because of the lack of time, we have to finish today's program, and as you say, as always, i also talked to my guests about that that sometimes it is difficult for me to understand and they

explained these issues professionally and competently, i just want to remind you that i really hope that in those regions that i talked about with my guests today, there will not be, there will not be there will be no escalation of tension and that the situation there will not worsen, well, well, in conclusion, i just want to thank you all and remind you that if you watch our program on youtube, please like it if you liked it or dislike it if you did not like it comment write a few words because it is very important for us we want to know your opinion and it is also important for the promotion of our program on the youtube network well and next time we meet with you as usual next monday around 12:13 on the air with the press, my name is yuriy fizer, until we meet, so that ukrainians don't think about so that they don't

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