is going to a real big battle, it is impossible to predict it may be in a few days or it may be in a few weeks we have no right to act as we have already mentioned in this studio as our enemy the bugs act which is not acceptable to us each of our soldiers is priceless and before him to set combat tasks to destroy the enemy, we must carefully weigh the entire complex of tasks before us and the most important thing in our capabilities, the most difficult battles are actually ahead thank you for these words, thank you for the broadcast petro chernyk - military expert e a very correct position that we must constantly repeat. because our strength is not in the number, but in the quality of our armed forces, each of our soldiers , and the fact that each of his lives is very important to us - this is our strength, and here is what is happening there on muscovites carefully collects their

tv trash bins olga leny i don't know how she watches it, but the fact that she already gives us such extracts of the pulp is the most interesting but and thank you chronicles of the information war, what else is there besides lada kalina for her son olga leny collected, congratulations olya program anu and yegor well, it's hard, but we'll do it somehow . literally in a moment, we'll continue at the end. last week, russia carried out, well, you know, another direct information attack on the supply of weapons to ukraine, and the key moment of one was the plot, or rather, a documentary film, all without reports which was made public literally on sunday about problems allegedly with the supply of weapons to ukraine under the name arming ukraine. well, the main idea

of ​​this film was that uh, uh, what seems like 30% of ukrainian weapons uh, uh, somewhere uh, uh income only to the military, and everything else is lost somewhere in the e-e, well, in the comments and visual series, the viewer should conclude that it is as if everything else is stolen and sold on the black market , for this, to create such an effect, the creators of the film used a quote from the head of a charity based in lithuania of jonas ohman's yellow organization, where he said that only about 30% of the aid delivered to ukraine reaches the destination, and all the weapons pass through the polish border, and then as if something is happening, it was indicated

in this film, as if as a conclusion, and also in the film, the words of an employee of the human rights organization emblem international donate sphere, who was criticized as a person who collects cases of human rights violations in ukraine, and she said what about those weapons that western countries handed over to the security forces in in iraq and afghanistan, they often did not reach them, but fell into the hands of extremists, this is exactly this woman, that is, it is as if ukraine was not accused of anything, but they were taken . a certain ra- impression was created, and when i posted this piece with the announcement of the film, it was said directly in the title that 30% of weapons only reach the military on the front line, it was immediately retweeted

and retweeted i wrote that look, most of the military aid that is sent to ukraine does not reach its final destination. how many people were called russian bots for what they said. exactly the same thing since march, now cbs showed it anyway. i am glad that the facts currently, it has become known that most of the aid to ukraine is a fraud. another representative of the republican party in the congress, almost taylor green, expressed a similar opinion. she said that she never supported aid to ukraine and considers all this wrong. but in the end, it turned out that this was a fraud film because this is the key statement we all referred to about these same 30%. had, as it turned out , no relation to what the

authors of the film further claimed, this organization itself stated blue yellow on her facebook page she wrote: this is a non-profit organization that has been helping ukraine for a long time. they have been supplying various things since the 14th year. and she wrote that the film was this and this story about their work was shot in the eighth week after the beginning of this large-scale invasion, the words taken out of context, the statement in the film about the situation of uh, regarding western aid should be seen precisely in the terms that were at the beginning of the war, for example, when the commentary states that 30% reaches the front generally refers to the assessment of all western assistance to ukraine, and at that time we know that it was indeed so, a lot was announced, but in reality this assistance was not yet available and in no case should it be assumed, the organization writes in

its social network, that this assistance is being sold on the black market the market or that it is being stolen, it is obvious that this caused a scandal, the cbs tv channel stopped advertising this documentary, it removed this tweet, which contained all the accusations, as if it continues about the sale of weapons and issued in this advertising, the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, in response called on this american television and radio network cbs to conduct an internal investigation as to how such journalistic material and this false information appeared, and he wrote, congratulations on the first step , but this is not enough. prior to the supply of vital military aid to nations resisting aggression and genocide, an internal

investigation must be conducted into who and why this is allowed wrote the head of the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs, eh, and the company itself wrote that we removed the flowers that advertised our recent documentary in arms, arming ukraine, in which you quoted the conclusion of this non-profit organization blue yellow, eh, but he says eh, well, that is, this person whom she emphasized that since then, the situation has improved significantly and now a much larger number is getting there when it was supposed to be getting there and that was only at the end of april and besides, the american military has confirmed this and is working in ukraine to monitor weapons and also wrote this about herself er we are updating our documentary to reflect this information and will release it later here is the story that is er as we can see skoda was already involved

i.e. they published something they published it based on some totally out of context words that were in general back in april, moreover , they did not remove it, that is, i, for example , at all well, i looked on their page, this material is hanging, but there it is already written that this is 30%. everything is about something else and something there added to the film itself. however, the russians managed to spread it, fragments of it with this advertisement also managed to spread it on social networks . well, this was actually not the first time this week , because a similar story happened with another non-profit organization international uh, about her in detail a little later, but here is the first person who paid attention to this film in general and to the fact that it is ataka, well, at least i saw it uh well, here is our guest - this is yevhen fedchenko

, the director of the mogilan school of journalism, the main the editor of stolphey, with whom i want to talk now. greetings, yevhen. good morning. i told a little, but please, if i may have omitted something , complete me, and well, this story will be laid out, perhaps some details that i do not know, because i really saw it for the first time on your on facebook about what is going on, such a plot will be published and that it has a certain purpose, please tell me more. well, really, how many stop fakes are engaged in monitoring and disinformation, and not only that which comes directly from russia, but also such content that could potentially be harmful to ukraine, of course we immediately paid attention to this material, you were indeed the first to react to it, and i think that this is how it should be done in such a situation, and because such

materials are not can be left without a reaction because they are absolutely destructive and they set themselves the goal of undermining ukraine's relations with its partners who provide weapons. they are trying to sow doubts about the extent to which ukraine is a transparent country and a country that controls what happens next with these weapons, and with the help of such documentary films, a certain image is created for ukraine, and in this film, for example, the term like a black hole was used for the first time, and i am sure that this is the image that russian disinformation also wants to cultivate about ukraine, and in fact, it is consistent with the norm of russian

disinformation about ukraine, that ukraine is such a false state that did not happen. so this is absolutely, so to speak, tangentially consonant with this term, and the second absolutely manipulative this is the 30% that you mentioned. and this is already a figure that has spread, it can be found in social networks, it is referred to, that is, it is completely irrelevant that this information is actually refuted as such. did not correspond to reality , which was twisted to me again. it seems that this was done completely deliberately, because i know how such documentaries are made on cbs-level channels and how many levels there are of quality control and fact checking it applies not only to the documentary film, it applies to any story. i have

actually given thousands of interviews for the western media during the last 8 years, and each of them went through many stages of verification and some interviews with me did not appear in the the air there or in the columns of newspapers, uh, for several months, they were also checked for factuality once again . and what about everything that was done, actually starting in march and during this time, the authors were not able to check the basic facts around which this story develops, it makes me honestly i mean, there are a lot of doubts, at least, about the unprofessionalism of everyone who was involved in the production process. and this is, as a rule, very complicated relations between the producer and the channel that shows it, with a lot of e-e links between them, starting from the process of pitching this topic to the process approval of the already finished material and up to the point that, again, in this material we see the same representative of the capacity that participated two times in the

production of this infamous a-a a-a sumy, of course, there are reports about which we also have a very a lot of people said that it is just as manipulative and undermines trust in ukraine in the same way, but in a slightly different military aspect and the aspect of committing some war crimes is like a projection. let's talk about this earthly history a little further and now i would like, well, somehow, these topics . you know, it seems to me that uh, uh, uh, uh, he did a completely conscious uh, uh, sabotage, uh, because these 30%, uh, continue to brag even after they were told that it is april that this is not true, they do the first tweet again in which they mention it and it is not clear in what context , that is, they do not say clearly they they that is, it is

not called to remove when you take and repost the same thing again and when on their page i find that it is again in the material after the refutation this phrase remains, that is, it goes at the very beginning, that is, i see in this a malicious desire to throw it away as, you know, a thought virus, that is, it is absolutely absolutely, that is, as i already said , even despite these clumsy attempts of theirs to sort of correct it, in fact, to a certain to some extent, this has the opposite effect, because they continue to blow up this topic, and they are absolutely not ready to categorically admit their mistakes, and here we must understand how such large organizations work, because very often we see in this some kind of institutional to speak of evil intent, but we must understand that the big e-e seats in the organizations themselves are

thousands of people at the level of which very different processes take place and, of course, in each of these films, now no one wants to admit that this is a mistake happened because it will affect their careers , will affect their professional relations, and therefore it is beneficial for each of them to continue to press on this topic, even regardless of whether they did it with some absolutely pro-russian intention or, as is often written in our social media networks that russia is paying for it all and there are many other levers through which you can influence people, these are also some ideological levers and e personal ego, some professional ambitions and so on, that is, there are a lot of reasons for which e this topic could not only appear and and now it continues to be in active circulation because then it meant that a lot of people had to say, yes, i made or made a categorical professional mistake and i have no place, for example, in

this profession because, in fact, journalists were fired very often and for much smaller mistakes all the more so when we are talking about the fate of the whole country and potentially the fate of thousands of people who may die on the front line if ukraine does not receive these weapons or if this process is slowed down, and therefore there is also another institutional brakes that uh also work inside cbs and they try to hide this error uh but if it doesn't make it easier for us because russia continues to exploit this topic very actively and uh we have seen a lot of worlds where it also breaks down and it will again go into various other languages ​​and various other media systems where it will be discussed and the 30% that was put there will already be perceived as some kind of range as an apparently established fact and

the members of the us congress perceived it the same way which they referred to these words, and they did not even refer to the film itself, but only to its advertisement. that is, where a piece was literally torn out, where it was not clear what it was about, but it was said in the advertisement and they, well, did they do it on purpose and they waited to this and that's why they immediately reacted like this or is it just there? by the way, it is also important here that it will be used in the internal struggle in the united states in other countries and will be used by those people who either directly sympathize with russia or just now see it is politically profitable for oneself to attack one 's own governments in this way absolutely. that is, we really have to understand that this will resonate not only in our media system, because we saw how everyone actively responded to this problem, but it is also aimed at other political systems.

for example, the american one that is preparing for the elections and indeed you named several representatives of the trump wing in the republican party who readily picked up this information well, again, and how it would be very beneficial to come up with such information. and here i gave myself an absolutely wonderful tip. how can it be done, and this is such a small example of how it is already becoming a part of the pre-election campaign of ector, who of certain radical , possibly marginal, even political forces within of the american political establishment and it will continue to gain momentum will sound and will sound, of course, in the context .

let's say it was due to the fact that there was another scandal before it, and it was absolutely not accidental, and we already mentioned it, it was a scandal from a long time ago , international, and there was also a lot of things, well, let's say so specifically, because uh, a report about what uh, suddenly a press release came out, it was on july 15 or 17, if i'm not mistaken, and suddenly after the russian general staff on the second of august releases such news that they recorded that the ukrainian armed forces were there at school, in some school, somewhere else, somewhere else, that is, in at those points that had previously fired at the russian federation with calibers and other missiles. let's say it directly . that is, they fired at certain civilian objects of the russians. after that, in

their report, they said that they recorded the ukrainian armed forces there literally on the fourth of august, it was august 2. reports of this general staff of russia , on august 4, a press release of amnesty international suddenly comes out, but some of them relate to the report that was made six months ago, where simply straight. they throw out everything else that was in the report and focus on the fact that in there is evidence that the ukrainian armed forces occupied some er objects and, look, there are testimonies of certain persons there, people who say that we saw there . a clear field and they don't fight there, and that's why they didn't go to a clear field . personally, for example, i heard eh in russia on a russian tv channel and saw in russian social networks exactly such a quote from a person that was taken by

russian propagandists, i have a question yes these testimonies are what the containers international directly takes from those people who record them there, russian propagandists in the occupied territories. well, in fact, we must understand that this thesis that appeared in the e-e report, the containers were used by the russians constantly e-e with at the time of the invasion and even earlier in the context of the war in the donbass about the fact that the ukrainian armed forces are allegedly using civilian objects and russian disinformation constantly also had to use this narrative in order to record it in the public discourses and indeed mentions of it intensified after february 24, we

noted this for ourselves during monitoring and in fact reporting capacity he established this provision of russian disinformation, but because of some external sources it is very important we should understand this for russian disinformation so that it not only refers to itself or to some sources of the so-called dpr of the lpr or to anonymous sources there from telegram, but also for them it is always such a desirable prize and if they can refer to international organizations, er, on some other, to other influential international media, as we talked about ourselves , er, this is always the desired result that they strive for, sometimes they even specially invented such sources, even when they did not exist, they invented them, they said that there some german media wrote about something, and then we investigated and found out that it was some blog

platform where anyone can write. this was absolutely the desired result for them, and in principle , it is true. we cannot rule out what it is. e time the appearance of this report. it is not accidental. again, we have no evidence, since we know who could influence whom, but this influence cannot be ruled out either, and it can be very different in different planes on different people, and we also do not rule out that a- and the russian side could have known about the content of this report even before it was published. and we also cannot rule out that the russian side helped the agency in collecting the necessary material and yesterday such information appeared from e some ukrainian official sources about that that they, among other things, collected such information among the people who are in the filtration

camps, which of course radically changes the understanding of this situation because they did not accidentally get there, they did not accidentally get access to these people and, accordingly, this is evidence that was collected under pressure and e- in other testimonies from people who are in concentration camps , it is very difficult to expect, firstly, and secondly, the very fact that the containers can work in connection with the occupying eh forces, well , at least it calls into question eh neutrality of this organization or what they would like to er claim so and again er if all these facts are gathered together and they give us a certain understanding of how much this report is not a coincidence er and how much he goes beyond the

traditional ones. what should an organization that is engaged in protecting the rights of the civilian population do? well, by the way, by the way , the times newspaper reacted sufficiently in its editorial column to this, they directly called it such participation in russian propaganda, and what's more they, uh, uh, uh, said that uh, it's very reminiscent the situation that was in 1945, when the british pacifist vera breeden refused to believe the news about the death camps organized by the nazis and said that in this way they diverted attention from the bombing of german cities by the allied forces, and moreover, they said that after such a report in general, such a press release uh, the general secretary of emnosti international, agneska lamar, should resign because she, after the

media and others started reacting to this report, and everything. she just defrauded everyone with trolls, she said that they are just trolls and that's all, and we are terribly proud of ourselves, although after that, again, the head of the ukrainian international organization resigned, well, the whole story was like that, so my question is that we have very little time well, we see that there was such an ambiguous reaction to the capacity report of world changes, which, in principle, well, they actively wrote about the fact that this is some kind of manipulation. well, what about this video that gave itself off, is there the same reaction and more than that? it is necessary to draw some conclusions from this to do that is good. we reacted at the level of the ministry. but what should we do next, how should we demand? well, i don't know where to go. well, although i don't think that it is appropriate in this situation, it

will give us something literally half a minute ago, very quickly. well, in fact, the reaction was on the part of ukraine is absolutely correct. we must be absolutely proactive in such a process and not leave these things unanswered. the resignation of the head of the tank and this hashtag is still among the trends and still we think we can suppress this situation because this is absolutely shameful and immoral behavior on the part of the tank moral equivalence between the ukrainians who are defending themselves and the aggressor, that is how we should continue to react. this is how we should use social networks to encourage this, but on the other hand , we should understand that this is not an isolated reaction , that this is the position that is also in europe and in the united states

the states will be shared by many, especially what concerns the cbs film. for example, we did not see any very large condemnation of this from other international media and journalists because there is a great solidarity between journalists and if the magazine criticizes something, the journalists criticize the journalists here. have already seen not so many willing to join in condemning this unprofessionalism, at least as i already said, that's why we talk about such things and highlight this fact and start a discussion about it and yet i think that today ukraine has such a powerful moral authority that we can influence both the nature of international organizations as a container and the nature of the work of international media, and we have the moral right to ask questions about the ethical principles of such that is, in any case, in any case, we should not leave it. yes, we should immediately

react to such things, because unfortunately there will be more, so there is only a reaction and only a very specific one with facts. thank you, that was eugene fedchenko, director of the mogilian school of journalism , editor-in-chief stopfey e for today, watch everything on espresso tv channel and we will meet later, no matter what ukrainians think about, no matter what they talk about, war, war, and our victory will always come first, seven days a week, from monday to sunday, in all different spheres human activities sports culture politics eight presenters of express journalists experts opinion leaders in real time about the most current events through the prism of war daily author's projects most express

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