from the point of view of legal purity, russia must submit a new application and have this application approved by the un general assembly, and then this recommendation of the general assembly is approved by the un security council, and by the way , there would be no problems with this. why did i say that it was? it seems to me that this is a long-standing mistake of russian diplomats. they wanted to do it as soon as possible, and now 30 years have passed and this mine would explode. hereby we are working, the main thing is to gather such a base of support , that is, for this decision to be justified in some way

. on the membership of lviv, but for this you need two-thirds of the votes, it is not so easy , you have to work on it, and accordingly, but you understand this, then we will not talk about the expulsion of gold from russia, because it would be ugly it sounded but much more difficult because there are many countries, well, russia has very few real allies left in the un, but don't forget that 193 countries, many of them are dependent on russia, small countries , african countries, uh, asian countries, the same arab countries, russia will not be to sit and wait and do nothing, she will work with them, that is, to get two-thirds in favor of such an anti-russian decision, as they say, it will be quite difficult, and

then the security council has to approve it, and there is this in russia, so there are other ways, e.e. the international court of justice there are many questions about the un. well, not like that. it is not a hundred, but there are dozens of precedents in international history when countries appealed to the international court of justice with a request that it make a decision, yes or no, the main thing here is how to formulate this question, but a lawyer, i think they will be able to do it easily to do it correctly without any incursions into russia, that is, you know, leave aside the question of aggression there, a violation of international law, because this is already a policy, and that is what we, er, well, the support base of the un is at least a lot. it does not increase, no, no harm. ask the question just like that, very correctly and

neatly, uh, there are such documents, there is a declaration of velmaty, the letter is valid for, uh, this was a difficult decision, uh, what is the opinion of any court and is it right or wrong, thank you, thank you, there are experienced lawyers sitting there, they are outside of politics, and it seems to me that there are certain prospects here, although it is clear , i know all this. well, i am telling you in a simplified way, in fact , everything is much more complicated, but you can and should go this way, and i know that our diplomats are working on it, especially when russia imposes a veto on the decision of the un security council or in what way it is trying to use the platform of the united nations organization to retransmit its propaganda messages, friends, let me remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel and also on our social platforms on youtube and facebook, that is, now we are watched on youtube and on facebook, please like

this video, and you can also see on youtube that we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today about whether the event in crimea is the beginning of the liberation of the peninsula from the russians two options three options answers yes no and also your answer option if you do not agree with the interpretation yes no you can write your comment under this video put your favorite once again i say this to our beautiful broadcast with volodymyr yelchenko, this is a diplomat permanent representative of ukraine in the organization of the united nations 2015- in 2019, volodymyr, when we talk about the un, we cannot help but remember that in september there will be another session of the un general assembly and the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, sergey lavrov, is going there. we know that you are personally against lavrov. introduced by the united states of america, but

before going to this general assembly , russia decided to pump once again, well, pump the united nations organization in quotation marks, because it wants to hold a meeting of the un security council on august 11, moscow cites as the reason ukrainian attacks on the zaporizhzhya npp is a quote, this information was confirmed to the russian mass media by the source of the permanent mission of the russian federation to the un and the first deputy ambassador to russia prion dmytro polyansky. said polyansky, confirms that they have invited a meeting regarding the ukrainian shelling of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, this topic deserves a passionate conversation with colleagues from the red security agency, well tas also reports on this, referring to its sources, and says that russia wants the director of megate, raphael, to speak at the meeting of the united nations grosz as a speaker,

at the same time in the ukrainian nuclear power plant, for the past several months, they have been talking about the fact that the russians have seized the zaporizhzhia npp and are blackmailing nuclear blackmail not only of ukraine, but also of the whole world taking into account the fact that the russians are initiating consideration of this issue at the organization of the united nations at a meeting of the security council. how do you predict what the solutions might be and whether the un will eventually listen to ukraine and point out to russia that it was not ukraine that seized zaporizhzhia aesa russians have come to the foreign land of an independent state and actually keep not only ukraine but the whole world in tension eh i am sure that there will be no solutions there this is another cynical attempt eh to divert attention

to shift the arrows to ukraine russian lies. this has already become a tradition. so that they don't convene there, or at the level of the security council, criminal, and especially i think that this is connected with the fact that right now it is the whole of august. it seems to me that from august 21 to the 26th there will be -yorku is already happening. actually, these days there is a so-called review conference of countries participating in the treaty on the administration of nuclear weapons. in other words, the whole evaluation nuclear party is also called the same money. he is the director, he will be there for the whole month, and of course the russians want to take advantage of this, some of the countries are represented at the level of ministers, that is, they hope that this will attract attention , but it should be said here that the question is not that, well , the question is not even who is firing at whom. that is , i am not saying now here in any case i am not saying that

it is possible that ukraine is shelling itself, but even if you raise or ask this question , why is it here? controlled by russian troops, well, how can you explain it at all, and who can put it into whose head? so , let them better think about how they will have to explain. in other words, it all turns into criticism of russia, because i am sure that no country, even among of its allies, it is not southern, that is to say that this is the case from russia, i captured this station and it has the right to consularize it, or to transfer to itself the electricity that is produced there, this is all just a cynical violation of everything that can only be twisted and to

things, uh, this is a violation of the non-proliferation treaty , there is a whole section, a whole column, a whole article about it, uh, i think it's another uh, if it's not a mistake, because i don't know what to call it, another one, some kind of bad guy step of the russian format. they think that this will bring them some benefit. i am absolutely sure that it will have the exact opposite effect. there was information that the heads of foreign affairs of the g7 countries called on russia to immediately transfer the zaporizhia npp to the control of ukraine, and the prime minister peter fiala of the czech republic wrote on his facebook page that vladimir putin seeks to blackmail europe by using energy as a weapon and creating gas shortages in us through a joint statement with germany

. of the united nations, in principle, should in some way replace the russian federation and this is obvious because the security system that was built in the world after the end of the second world war had its own goal of creating such a system that intervened in difficult history, such as wars, the encroachment of one country on the territory of another country, have you not succeeded in the last six months, this whole history of the zones simply leveled this institution, because he cannot do anything from the russian federation and no one can't do anything, you know, i'll say this. as a person who, er, hmm, well, i've been working in diplomacy for 41 years. actually, that's my whole adult life. well, i devoted more than half of this time to

the un. sides and i put a cross on this organization for a long time, a long time before february 24th, or there until march or until february 14th, that is, well, because i just know from the inside how it all works and it never worked. unfortunately, the other thing is that i cannot disagree with those who says well, i think so too, and you think that when we say the un, we can't eh imagine some kind of organization that rules the world or a general second driving eh hmm who manages everyone and can give instructions and force someone, for example yes, because it is 193 member countries, there are russia and ukraine, there are 192 more there are big and small ones that support us, there are those that don't support us, and in general, there are just so many problems in the world in recent decades that the un

simply proved unable to respond to all of it at the same time, you know, there was such a period when he calmed down a bit i mean, all the member states always need security, and at the assembly they agreed in the sense that the so-called interregional interaction, that is, the interaction between the un and other regional organizations, that is, europe , more or less began to work the osce was engaged in latin america, the organization of american states there, the arab light for itself, the arab countries arose or was created on the basis of africa, organizations of african unity, er, the african union, many others, er, smaller

than the significance of the organization appeared, and they more or less helped them to cope with those regional conflicts that arose, but when it started to explode, it was just like, you know, such a chain reaction, you know, it all started, in my opinion, somewhere from the beam, when the former yugoslavia fell apart, and all those conflicts started eh well, they were longer, the same arab plestinian eh others eh kashmir about timur and many, many other conflict situations warriors eh in africa dozens of conflicts appeared eh and so he was simply unable to react to all of this at the same time. the original organizations, let's just say, didn't cope with it either. well, when it exploded seriously in

the very center of europe, because the former yugoslavia more or less succeeded there. everything quickly, although also there were also victims. it really was, it is, but you know there there was no participant in the conflict with a nuclear state and whose right you are, with all due respect to serbia, but you can't compare the serbs with that russian federation, but when a conflict arose where the participant was directly and to blame from the russian federation , that's where they discovered that it for security, it is not capable because these countries have the right to introduce anything that they do not like, block and will block and continue. so, i think that the point here is not that the un is not capable. the fact is that the system is a world order and a system of collective security was created by mankind after the second world war, they ended it all with the signing of the un charter, and the

entire security system in the world was based on it, which existed more or less there until the end of the 90s, until 2008, and then it all began to be destroyed by the russian federation aggression in georgia in the village, among other things. well, finally, ukraine, and it all destroyed the world order that was. well, it was flawed . it wasn't as uh, as the founders wanted. it wasn't ideal, but more or less it worked . and now all this is gone and the security council is gone that it is blocked not only in ukrainian, but the issue of i am a slave is the israeli conflict, which no one has been able to solve for many decades, but no one has raised the issue of georgia at first, 20% of the territory of georgia is occupied by russia, in fact, in

syria, this mess is being prolonged, and no one is doing anything can't do it yes, russia's position is slowly changing, the position of russia is not the same as it was before, well, you know, the war they unleashed in ukraine it took a lot of attention, they can't make efforts and control everything, as they used to do it. so the question arises as to what is understood, so it is easy to disperse the un, well, it is the easiest of all, it is necessary to think about what the world will be like in the future after our victory. i think we will have full moral right, you know, to be one of the ideologues of legal it is possible and necessary to start with europe, actually, as it was in 1945, and then others will join in. therefore, we have recently forgotten a little about the idea of

​​boris johnson, the minister of the great question, and about creating some quasi-organization there ukraine, poland, great britain, turkey, etc. it seems to me that he is looking at the roots , that is, you need to think about creating something else, but i am not ashamed of the fact that you must first destroy what is there and then start from scratch to build something new . it is necessary to approach this carefully and here. by the way, let's say that the perspective is not that russia will be expelled from the un, but simply that the situation and status there will be put in order and that the story about when and if in the previous plot, this is also part of the work that needs to be carried out to create a new one system of collective security in europe, in the whole world, mr. volodymyr, is another accomplice

of this war, which is currently being waged by russia against ukraine, this is the republic of belarus, headed by the self-proclaimed president lukashenka. two years ago, we did not recognize the powers of the president of belarus. however, he is the head of the republic of belarus, and of course we should talk about the bilateral relations that exist or do not exist with a country that is complicit in aggression. in your opinion, should ukraine maintain diplomatic relations now with by the republic of belarus, considering that belarus actually became a springboard for the offensive of the russian federation on february 24, 2022, and even now belarus behaves as a co-author of this war, because they constantly create informational excuses

, constantly threaten us from the north, and in such a situation, a logical question arises whether it is worth continuing diplomatic relations with belarus. i think that this question is timely. you are right, you know, i am new to approaching this, yes, quite soberly , that is, at one time when i was asked somewhere around there in 18-19, is it necessary to develop diplomatic relations with the russian federation, which we did not break in 14th year, i then answered so, it is already too late to do it, it is no longer this well, moral, some such symbolism, how little would it be if we did it there in the 15th year or the 18th year, it also seems to me to be one of the belarusians. that is, this issue is timely. i think that ukrainian diplomacy is working on this

issue. there is no need to shy away from this . lukashenko's personal e-e he e me it seems that he burned with his own hands. well, all that was, all the bridges that were between our states and between our peoples. it seems to me that the problem is not so much in it as in what is placed in it. it will be clear in the first place, but the passivity of belarusian society is also a little alarming . i do not say now politics in the patient there about the government in exile now flying here the last days have been affected by many publications of the opinions of our experts and others does anyone not like us, er, well, i personally don't like it, but you know,

there can't be such personal issues between state relations, er, and what is done from the territory of belarus, er, and er, is not protected by belarusian society, so that we are not told that there were there any partisans there, what packages were there, what about them and who prevented the fact that from the first day until today, the territory of belarus was actually used as a springboard for aggression against ukraine, and where is the opposition and where are those partisans something i have n't heard about them at all lately, i've heard very little, that's why i agree, it 's a matter of time, i even said it's a matter of time, but the sooner the better. at the end of our conversation, mr. volodymyr, i want to ask you about the azov people who were captured in russia the terrorist pushylin

confirmed the preparation for the so-called tribunal on the azov citizens of mariupol on the broadcast of a propaganda program on the central television of russia. by the second war criminals, in one of the halls, a cage is being installed for the defendants . i.e. exactly as we are planning this , i.e. the tribunal is inevitable and eh yes one of the first tribunals will be in mariupol eh we are preparing the floor in all directions including the premises are being prepared the evidence base, mr. volodymyr, if this

tribunal takes place and it is obvious that the result of this tribunal may be death sentences for the so -called dpr, because since this quasi-republic is a pseudo- republic, these puppets, they do not obey any international law, so what ukraine is in, in which situation, how and where ukraine should appeal, taking into account the fact that when the people of azov left azov, it and the red cross undertook certain obligations to guarantee the safety of these people. i think this issue is very delicate. that we are talking about people's lives, well, you know, it's easiest to include that no one recognizes these decisions of the tribunal, but we are talking about human lives , and if god forbid, he really built it, it will happen because, well, there is another some tourists of the head and these participants of the plot there popov this or solovyov and pushylin such as the

progay engine think further she where they will have to answer if they where they live why i very much also doubt but since the question is still here uh really like that well thin i think it should be simple to continue about international pressure on russia because it is clear that it was not the dpr that crushed me, they are not deciding anything, except that these cages will be finished there somewhere at the dpr factory, they will not decide anything else, as they are told from moscow, this is how it will be. that is why we need to pressure the brain it is necessary to ask the red cross, which, by the way, made such a very short statement that no one there gave them any guarantees, and therefore it is necessary to wish that they are responsible for this, but it is necessary to work. this is quiet diplomacy, humanitarian decoupling, russia needs

talk about what consequences this will have for specific people who will be responsible for it. thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr, time and the program are unfortunately coming to an end . yelchenko i'm saying goodbye to you for today, we 'll meet tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. i wish you all good health. take care of yourself and your loved ones. goodbye. watch espresso news and euro espresso programs for ukrainians on the air. of refugees in europe joint broadcast with the atf channel radio freedom programs voice of america time-time programs inclusion of public television journalists bbc news ukraine and france 24 as well as broadcast of the information marathon

single news together we are strength glory to ukraine now we are in kyiv region in borodyanka this is where they disappeared the three girls are sisters, seven-year-old masha , 12-year-old anya and 16-year-old daryna melnychenko , the girls lived with their mother and father in this five-story building at tsentralna 326. on march 1, a russian bomb hit their house the girls and their parents lived on the fifth floor of this building, and the bomb hit the very place where

their apartment was that day. unfortunately, people died, but neither the girls nor their parents were found among the victims; moreover, according to the local family of melnichenko, every day from the beginning during the war, she hid in a bomb shelter and about an hour before the bombing, they were all seen in shelters. however, since march 1, nothing is known about the fate of the sisters. the last person who communicated with the girls was their grandfather, who turned to us with a request to help, the man specially came to kyiv to the child tracing service and let's listen to what he told us and what details are known to him. he called in fact every day. well, they all had four phones and i called them all. well, there is no connection. you hold it here it is my name i say grandpa will go when we go to the pool the girls and their parents were hiding in the basement and imagine the older sister dasha

was forced to celebrate her 16th birthday under the sound of sirens in the bomb shelter i congratulated her on her birthday and she said grandpa in it will be my real birthday, what is papa startum? he came and congratulated them. on the edge of this house, where did i stand when we talked with mr. oleksandr? in fact, he barely held back tears while talking about his granddaughters. the details are very crowded, the older one played the guitar, sang , came to the diesel show competition, it was supposed to be filmed, middle school, football, handball, masha, this little girl, i already learned to swim, now no further he saw me pilaf like this, you say that you are the same, so he wants to show that she is also not connected, mr.

oleksandr said that on the day of the disappearance he talked to his son, that is, the girls' father, by the way, please look at the photo of the parents of the sisters and that's actually march 1 they said that they were planning to leave boredyanka. however, that evening, a bomb hit the house in connection with the melnychenko family . since then, nothing is known about the fate of the children. they said that his relatives allegedly took him to belarus, but again, this information is currently not confirmed to the last detail, i want them to return, i want to, i want to every day . in this house, what do you know about them

, because they disappeared, they disappeared, i don’t know anything , maybe i saw masha and melnychenko, anya melnychenko and dasha melnychenko, you do n’t know anything about them, yes, they lived in the 326th building, i know that no one knows where they went, it is not known at all, there is nothing to eat or what is there, and everything is still with him, and yet mr. oleksandr does not lose hope, he hopes for your concern and very much asks each of you to help in the search for his granddaughters. it cannot be that the holy phone calls me alone i didn't do it, if the phones were taken away, then someone should turn it in. who saw it, i want to exchange books, kiss, but no , there is no certainty, so i am asking you . look carefully at the faces of the girls, if you know about them, at least some