they just wringed their hands, but in almaty it was just pressure from russia and plus, well, such a good will from two cis ukraine, that’s what it is, once again returning to the history of signing this declaration, friends, for example, they didn’t sign and it could be used, well, there let's say 10 years ago, uh, and such arose, let's say, on the idea, uh, or the proposal , to bring into question that's all and this declaration became the basis of uh, the well-known letter of herzen to the general education of the un at the end of december, it was a couple of days before the new year at the end december 91 when there is this, he wrote to the un secretary general at the time that look, this was the decision in the scrap and all the cis countries. he does not object to russia becoming a continuation of the soviet union, the un, everyone in the un breathed a sigh of relief, you know, women from cart mares are easier than a civil union. well, let russia be no one

is against it, and again, we managed to find it much later in the un archives. by the way, it was a rather secret document, they didn't want to give it to us, but we found our agency there. i'm joking, it's clear that she's one of them secret staff of the un simply secretly took a copy for us and this copy is in our archives, this is a memo of the then legal adviser of whose un agency, this is such a very respectable person, in fact , the number two person in the hierarchy of the secretariat, without whom no decision is approved without the fact that there he didn't have a visa or an opinion, so here he is on a page, everything is very simple. he wrote what you actually said at the beginning of this story, that uh, if you look at it from the point of view of legal purity, then russia must submit a new application and be approved, which application

of the un general assembly, and then this recommendation of the final assembly is approved by the un security council, and by the way, there would be no problems with it. that's why i said that it was a long-standing mistake of russian diplomats. they wanted as much as possible rather, 30 years have passed and this mine would have exploded. i am absolutely sure that this issue will continue to be advanced, now our diplomats are working on it, the main thing for us is to gather such a base of support , that is, that this decision is appealed in some way there are different ways, you can simply go to the general assembly, rather than approve such a short recommendation with a proposal, then it was done

incorrectly. in order not to be a sieve, we recommend russia to apply again for the membership of lviv, but for this you need two-thirds of the votes, it is not so easy we need to work on this, and accordingly, but if you understand this, then we will not talk about the expulsion of gold from russia, because it would sound ugly, but it is much more difficult because there are many countries, well, there are very few real allies in russia there are 193 countries left in the un, but don't forget that 193 countries are very dependent on russia in small countries, african countries, uh, asian countries, those are the ones that are zarabs, and russia will not sit and wait and do nothing, it will work with them, that is, to gain two-thirds of the benefits of such an anti-russian decision, as they say, will be quite difficult, and then the security council has to approve it, and it was

made in russia, so there are other ways, e. countries appealed to the international court of justice with a request that it make a decision yes or no, that's the main thing here how to formulate this question, but lawyers i think it will be easy to do it correctly without any attacks on russia, that is, you know, leave aside the question of aggression there is a violation of international law, because it is already a policy, and on this we, uh, well, the support base of the uh, the un is at least a lot. it is not increasing, we have not increased it. there is the declaration of velmaty, yeltsin's letter, that was

the right decision, that's what the opinion of any court is, and it is right or wrong. thank you to everyone, there are experienced lawyers sitting there, they are outside politics, and it seems to me that there are certain prospects here, although it is clear, i know all this. well, i am telling you in a simplified way, actually everything is much more complicated, but this way. well, we have to go, and i know that our diplomats are working on it, especially when russia vetoes the decisions of the un security council or in some way tries to use the podium of the organization of the united nations for retransmitting their propaganda messages, friends, i would like to remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video, and you can also see on youtube

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once again. well, pump it into the united nations because it wants to hold a meeting of the un security council on august 11. the reason moscow calls the ukrainian attacks on the zaporizhzhia npp is a quote . this information was confirmed to the russian mass media by a source at the permanent representation of the russian federation, here is the first deputy ambassador to russia prion dmytro polyanskyi, what polyanskyi said confirms they invited a meeting regarding the ukrainian shelling of the zaporizhzhia airbase, the topic deserves a passionate conversation with colleagues from the red security agency, well , tas also reports on this, referring to its sources, and says that russia wants the general director of megate, raphael rossi, to speak at the meeting of the united nations at the same time , the ukrainian nuclear power plant has been talking for the past

few months about the fact that the russians have seized the zaporizhzhia npp and are blackmailing nuclear blackmail not only of ukraine but also of the whole world, taking into account the fact that the russians are initiating consideration of this a question for the organization of the united nations for a meeting of the security council, how do you predict what the solutions might be and whether the un will eventually listen to ukraine and tell russia that it was not ukraine that seized the zaporizhia npp, but that the russians came to the foreign land of an independent state and in fact, they are keeping not only ukraine but the whole world in tension, the fact that there are no solutions, another such cynical attempt to divert attention to shift the arrows to ukraine,

another such russian lie. this has already become a tradition. and so that they do not convene there or at the level of the security council criminal and especially i think what is this connected with the fact that right now it is not august. it seems to me that from august 21 to the 26th, there will already be an event in new york. the whole nuclear party is also called the same money, he is the director, you can , he will be there for the whole month, and of course i don’t want to use it, there are some countries at the level of ministers represented, that is, they hope that it will attract more attention but you rightly said that the question here is not, well, the question is not even who is shelling whom . that is, i am not saying now here, in no way am i saying that it is possible that ukraine is shelling itself, but

even if it is so, whether to ask this question, and here it is and who captured it, that is, how will russia tell that on the territory of ukraine, within the state, there is the largest nuclear plant in europe, which is controlled by the russian troops? well, how can this be explained at all, and in whose head can you put it? so , let them think better how to will have to to explain. that is, it all turns into a criticism of russia, actually, because i am sure that not a single country, even among its allies, is not southern, so to say that i seized this station from russia and has the right to console it there or to transfer the electricity that it's all produced there, well, it's just a cynical violation of everything that can only be repeated. and by the way, it's a violation of the nuclear non-

proliferation treaty, there's a subsection of a whole column, an entire article about it, what, uh, i think it's another uh, um, if not a mistake, because i don't know what to call it , another bad step of the russian format. they think that this will bring them some benefit . i am absolutely sure that it will have the opposite effect. there was information that the heads of foreign affairs of the g7 countries called russia should be immediately transferred to the control of ukraine and the zaporizhzhya npp, and the prime minister of the czech republic petr fiala wrote on his facebook page that vladimir putin seeks to blackmail europe by using energy as a weapon and creating in us shortage of gas through a joint statement with germany, we send a clear signal that we will not be intimidated, we are ready to help our allies in the eu, e.e. the united nations, in principle, should in some way put the russian

federation in place. this is obvious because the security system that was built in of the world at the end of the second world war had its own goal of creating such a system that would intervene in difficult stories , such as wars, the encroachment of one country on the territory of another country. for the past six months, er, this whole history of the un is simply leveling this institution because he cannot do anything about the russian federation and nobody can do anything er, you know, i will say this. as a person who er i already work in diplomacy, that’s actually my whole adult life. well , i devoted more than half of this time to the water . there was a routine and i was engaged in it from all sides

. or there until march or february of the 14th year. that is, well, because i just i know from the inside how it all works and it never bought, unfortunately, the other thing is that i ca n't disagree with those who say well, i think so too, you think that when we say the un, we can't uh imagine some over the organization that rules the world there, or generals, the arrestee, who rules everyone and can give instructions and force someone there, yes. well, he is a member of 193 countries, there are russia and ukraine, there are 192 more, big and small, there are those who support us, there are those who they don't support us and in general there are just so many recent problems in the world 10 years ago that the un was simply unable

to respond to all of this at the same time, you know, there was such a period when it calmed down a little bit, well, the golden suits calmed down. called interregional interaction, i.e. interaction between the un and other regional organizations, i.e. europe, the osce dealt with latin america, the organization of american states there, the arab world for itself, arab countries arose or was created on the basis africa, the organization of african unity, er, the african union, many other er, smaller organizations appeared, they more or less

helped them cope with those regional conflicts that arose, but when it started to explode, it was just like er, such a chain reaction , you know in my opinion, it all started somewhere in the beam, when the former yugoslavia fell apart, and all those conflicts began. well, there were also longer ones, the same arab, plestinian, and others there about kashmir, about timur, and many, many other conflict situations. warriors in africa have appeared dozens of conflicts, and so on , it was simply unable to respond to all of this at the same time, the original organizations, let's just say, did not cope with it either. well, when a serious one broke out in the very center of europe, because in the former yugoslavia , it was more or less successful there everything is fast, although

there were also victims. it was really there, but you know there was no participant in the conflict with a nuclear state , and whose right you are, with all due respect to the russian federation, you can’t compare it with the same russian federation, but when conflict where the direct and guilty participant from the russian federation is here and found that it is not capable of security because this country has the right to enter everything it does not like, blocks and will continue to block. so, i think that the issue here is not that the un the fact is that the system of world order and the system of collective security, which was created by mankind after the second world war, ended it all with the signing of the un charter, and the entire security system in the world, which existed more or less until the end of the 90s , was based on it h

until 2008 and then it all began to collapse by the russian federation, aggression in georgia in the village, among other things. well, finally, ukraine and it all destroyed the world order that was. the language is not ideal, but more or less it worked , and now all this is gone, and the security council is blocked from the main, not only in ukrainian, but the issue of i am slaves is the israeli conflict, which also no one has been able to solve for many decades, but no one has taken the issue of the day first georgia 20% the territory of georgia is occupied by russia, in fact, in

syria, this mess continues, and no one can do anything. so there, russia's position is slowly changing, but you know, the war that they started in ukraine. it took a lot attention spans are no longer able to exert effort and control everything as they used to do it. therefore , the question arises as to whether they understood that it is so easy to disperse the un, well, it is the easiest of all, it is necessary to think about what the world will be like in the future after our victory. we will be full it is a moral right, you know, to be one of the ideologues of the legal security system, it is possible and necessary to start with europe, well, actually, as it was in 1945 , and then others will join. therefore, we have recently forgotten a little about that idea of ​​boris johnson, minister of great britain, the question is about the

creation of some quasi-organization there, ukraine, poland, great britain, turkey, and so on. it seems to me that he is looking at the roots , that is, we need to think about the creation of something else, but i am not ashamed of that what is needed first to destroy what is there and then start from scratch to build something new, one must approach this carefully and here by the way, let's say that the perspective is not that the expulsion of russia from the un, but simply bringing er into order and the status there, that story about would be in to the previous story, this is also part of the work that must be done to create a new system of collective security in europe. in the whole world, mr. volodymyr, you are one of the accomplices of this war, which is currently being waged by russia against ukraine,

this is the republic of belarus, led by the self-proclaimed president lukashenka two years ago, we did not recognize the powers of the president of belarus. however, he is the head of the republic of belarus. of course, we must talk about the bilateral relations that exist or do not exist with a country that is an accomplice to aggression. in your opinion, should ukraine maintain diplomatic relations now? with the republic of belarus, considering that belarus actually became a springboard for the offensive of the russian federation on february 24, 2022, and even now belarus behaves as a co-author of this war because they they constantly create informational excuses

, they constantly threaten us from the north, and in such a situation a logical question arises: should we continue diplomatic relations with belarus? i think that this is a timely question . at one time, when i was asked , somewhere around 18-19, whether it was necessary to develop diplomatic relations with the russian federation, which would not have been broken in 14, i then answered that it was already too late to do it it doesn’t have that hmm, moral, some kind of symbolism, how little if we did it there in the 15th year or the 18th year, the same seems to me to be the case with the belarusians. that is, this issue is timely. i think that ukrainian diplomacy is working on this issue. it is not

necessary you have to shun this, call a spade a spade, and it's not just a matter of personal lukashenko, uh, he seems to me to have burned everything with his own hands, all the bridges that were between our states and between our peoples. it seems to me to be a problem not so much in it as placed in it clearly on in the first place, but the passivity of belarusian society is also a little alarming. i'm not saying that now he will come to a position there about the government in exile . right now. well, that is, if they were caught yesterday, they said in the last days, there are a lot of publications of the opinions of our experts. to pass this government or tsykhanov in reality or in fact or there like it does anyone here like it hmm but i personally don't like it but you know i have a very genre relationship eh there can't be

such personal issues eh and what is done with the territory of belarus is unopposed by the belarusian society so that we are not told that there were some partisans there, that there were some packages. well, what were they and who prevented that from the first day until today, the territory belarus was actually used as a springboard for aggression against ukraine. the opposition and where are the partisans? i have n't heard anything about them lately, i hear very little, so i agree. it's a matter of time. how are they? it's a matter of time, but the sooner the better the end. volodymyr, i want our conversation i want to ask you about the azov people who were captured in russia, the terrorist spread and confirmed the preparation for the

so-called tribunal on the azov in mariupol, on the broadcast of a propaganda program on the central television of russia, we will hear what he said about the alleged preparation in mariupol of the terminal for azov and other war criminals in one of the halls is being installed cell a-a for the defendants can you confirm the authenticity of these cadres or check whether it is being prepared for the tribunal. preparation for the tribunal will be introduced as it should be there, that is, exactly as we are planning it, that is, the tribunal is inevitable, and yes, one of the first tribunals will be in mariupol . - and the whole evidence base, mr. volodymyr, if this

tribunal takes place and it is obvious that the result of this tribunal may be the death sentences of the so -called dnr, because since this quasi-republic is a pseudo- republic, these puppets, well, they do not obey any international law, so what ukraine in what situation, how and where should ukraine appeal, considering that when the azov people left azov, both the un and the red cross undertook certain obligations to guarantee the safety of these people . what are we talking about people's lives, well, you know , it's easier to include that no one recognizes these decisions of the tribunal, but we are talking about human lives, if god grants it, it really built it, it will happen, i still think that well, there but there are some other creations of the head. and these participants of the plot are there. popov this one did solovyov and pushili let the progarh engines think better. where will they have to answer if

they live? good day. i also doubt it very much, but since the questions are really so thin here, i think we should just continue to put no pressure on russia, because it is clear what did the people do? they don't even decide anything. well, unless these cages will be produced somewhere over there at the dpr factory, nothing else has been decided here, they won't be, as they are told from moscow, that's how it will be. that's why we need pressure on moscow, and this it is necessary to ask the un to the red cross , which, by the way, made such a very short statement that no one there gave them any guarantees , and therefore it is necessary to wish that they are responsible for this, but it is necessary to work. this is quiet diplomacy, humanitarian devolution, russia needs to tell about what consequences will this have for specific people who will be

responsible for it, thank you, thank you, volodymyr, unfortunately, the time of our program is coming to an end. thank you for a wonderful conversation. it was a diplomat, a permanent representative of ukraine in the united nations in 2015-2019 volodymyr yelchenko i'm saying goodbye to you for today, we 'll meet tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. i wish everyone good health take care of yourself and your relatives goodbye, whatever ukrainians think about, don't talk about first place still goes to war war and our victory seven days a week from monday monday seven different spheres of human activity sports culture politics eight presenters espresso journalists experts opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through

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channel, i follow your stories. they are very interesting , very popular, very understandable for our viewers, and i invited you so that we could talk about modern russian historical myths, and we will start with what is not a russian historical myth about ukraine. as they say, it is the most seditious, please. but they all sting, starting from the main myth about one people, because this is a myth that was created in russian historiography somewhere at the beginning of the 19th century, and then it grew into later and er, russian historiography and the history of minds about a three-unit nation that, in principle, existed even from the soviet union, but now they have returned to the more ancient creation of the provads, you know, the people, that i am interested in, that russia lived a more or less normal life for itself , for a long time it attacked georgia somewhere, somewhere else i climbed in, of course