are adequate for the tasks facing our armed forces, that is, for such areas it is better to have more than three axes, the main thing is with shells for them, than there are fewer high -tech artillery systems, and there are high-tech artillery systems, caesar's crabs and panzer havizers 2000. so it makes sense to use them in the directions e-e or where the russian army is concentrating its forces and trying to advance, but either in those directions of the front where it is from the ukrainian side, or practicing this symbiosis in real combat operations, of course the ukrainian army is sufficiently technological thanks to er adequate tactics and thanks to western er supplies of weapons and those means that help to work effectively

of the opponent and adjustment, it is worked out by 147 %, as they say artillery system and allows the ukrainian artillery, even when it is in the minority , not only to effectively oppose the more numerous russian artillery, but also to inflict significant losses on the russian army, and one more point, but to this i would like to add such a very important tool. it is not a weapon, but um it is difficult to overestimate it is the starlink system that was provided to ukraine by elon musk and it is thanks to this system that the ukrainian communication system even e-e under the condition of the use of means of radio electronic warfare by the russian it allows the federation even at the urban tactical

level to maintain e-e communication and control of ukrainian units, including effectively correcting ukrainian artillery . artillerymen are used in the topic of nettles, this is what i see with my own eyes, and what does this mean for our viewers, how to explain what nettles are in the ukrainian army, why it is extremely important, nettles are actually what is the program that you can put on your phone or tablet now on the tablet, uh, through which we communicate with you, i have installed this program that i use in our activities. that is, it allows there are uh, topographic maps, there are satellite uh, satellite layers and the program allows you to calculate the necessary artillery calculations

, to note where the sounding was, to transmit this information to the gunners, and they already carry the appropriate corrections and a few to effectively hit targets, that is, what used to take the team 57-10 minutes to prepare for opening fire now takes much less than a second, this is correct, yes, and the main thing is not only for opening fire, but also for adjustment, that is, artillery can with a superior shot at it is difficult to take into account, for example, the weather conditions, because the wind at a considerable height can be different, and it is important to notice those first hits, they told the gunners where they would go and then they had already adjusted their sights on the sights and started enter the fifth one, oleg, the question for you is that there is artillery, there is a control system, but there are also high-precision guided or corrected ammunition, which previously the ukrainian

army did not have at all, what is the effectiveness of these ammunition, what types do we use, what effects do we have from them? well, what do we know again, from public sources, this is the retention of fescalibur projectiles, a high-velocity projectile depending on the length of the barrel, that is, for example, by shooting with them the repeatedly mentioned m3-7, the range will be, if i am not mistaken, about 40 km, and if ot for example, shoot from it from a crab or caesar, then the range there already exceeds 50-55 km, and this is due to the fact that self-propelled guns have a barrel length of 52 caliber and in this entire area the projectile has a minimum deviation from the aiming point of literally 1-2 m i.e. in this is just a long-range such a high-precision weapon that is extremely effectively designed, for example, for the destruction of important objects at a distance of up to 50 km, such

objects can be both anti-aircraft positions under interactive complexes and, for example, the headquarters of the communication point from the station of the rf clinical intelligence that is, an extremely effective tool for burning such a close rear of the russian army has also not been confirmed, but most likely it is expected , accordingly, again, the statement of the pentagon of the pentagon of 1,000 e-e ammunition that has yes, but the current situation was addressed, most likely it is about jk kits , which involves the conversion of any which 155 mm caliber artillery projectile is highly accurate, this kit is much cheaper than the excalibu, the simple excalibu, according to various sources, costs about $ 100,000, and the pig kit is about 20 and it has a little more therefore, the accuracy is worse. but in any case, we are talking about 5-10 m depending on the responsibility there, or using only

satellite navigation. also, we use, in my opinion, extremely effectively, a rather rare but extremely effective ammunition called smart a-a 155, which is a m-m with a 155-meter ammunition, which already had supplies for the destruction of enemy armored vehicles with it, which have individual guidance, that is, for example, a moving column is covered with smart shells and this projectile throws out two misses with it, which are independently launched at each of its targets, and there are already verified videos using this system, when the same shells are simply destroyed, for example, on the move. if we are talking about the artillery projectiles in particular, then they have already proven their maximum effectiveness, in my opinion, because again, we must understand that if we take

the soviet instructions, then for the destruction of such an object as a suitable stronghold, i may be wrong , but there is a question about a thousand children shells of 152 mm caliber, and in order to destroy this pivot point, that is, to hit the tubular equipment located on it, to disable it already, if we use high-precision ammunition, then we will be talking about 5-10 such ammunition, therefore it is even possible and economically more profitable sometimes use high-precision ammunition because it is not only a smaller number of shots, i.e. less than the consumption of the resource of the barrel and the gun itself - it is also a shorter time to complete tasks, i.e. our gunners will be able using high-precision ammunition , shoot back faster and leave the target area of ​​the strike in order to avoid counterbattery combat of the enemy, we call the ranges of one or another system, i think that it is not completely clear to the audience from

the point of view of what the enemy has, if vyacheslav could be compared there are some russian standard howitzers with the capabilities of our new atlerian acquisitions, why is every kilometer important and what advantages do we have in terms of range, can you tell our pencils a little a little short a remark about high-precision munitions, again from our upbringing, those battles in which we took part, there are actually several high-precision projectiles that, if used for several purposes, could radically change the course of these battles, that is, those high-precision munitions are extremely important because really allow you to knock out the enemy's key targets, destabilize his positions, and then the battle will develop more successfully, as far as the range is concerned, it is the main artillery system if we are talking about the barrel artillery of the russian army this is the most cold howitzer 2 from 19 m stas and its

towed version 2a65 m became, in addition, there are older systems 2 s3 acacia e-e d-20 i think theoretically there are on our part of the front, i have not seen them, but maybe in which there is already a second particles of the second echelon in some er so-called lpr dpr they can also be like this, if we are talking about old artillery systems, then their range is 17 km, if we are talking about new artillery systems , a conventional projectile there is 25 km actively reactive 29 if we are talking about modern self-propelled nato artillery systems are already 40 km. that is, this is already a significant gain in range and, firstly, it allows our artillery to hit the enemy’s positions at a considerable depth, that is, it is a kind of safe rear for them, it is significantly removed

from the front line, or vice versa, if the enemy has significant the advantage of the number of fire means allows our artillery systems to work from a safe distance, and the enemy needs to tighten up his artillery systems in order to somehow introduce effective contraband fire directly to the front line, where they can already be hit by less long-range systems e. which we have left from the soviet army, even there with some mortars if they go close enough along the front, and we also need to note that if we are concentrating now on the 155 caliber, there are also 105 caliber now great britain has started deliveries of light artillery systems l119 not 105 mm groundwork this is also an extremely important artillery system for our army because it is extremely mobile it does not require uh-huh significant expenses

it does not require heavy e-e tractors, that is, it is important that this caliber was once the main one in nato, then they switched mainly to the 155-caliber 105-caliber for light units such as the airborne forces, so due to the fact that there may be a lot of projectiles for these guns in the countries of the father, then the rearmament of our army with guns and guns would also be quite expedient, that is, great mobility and a sufficient number of shells, well, this is an interesting observation, an interesting comment, but now, relatively speaking the russians are now on the front line with in ukraine, we have about 1,500 long- caliber artillery, again, if we take into account the receipt of aid from the screen intervention , relatively speaking, we have 400 large-caliber

howitzers there, 1,500 and 400. guns, but more powerful ammunition and a longer range. is it possible to talk about the fact that in this way it can in some way balance this russian advantage? what conclusions would you draw ? approximately 70 km from the front line in the russian federation, the cotton is always so beautiful, i say, and this has ceased to even be news in the morning , the list of news is opened, and there again someone, some warehouse, is dyed about the fascists, took off into the air, what does this mean, what does it not so much, not so much, and it doesn’t matter how many guns the enemy actually has, if they have shells, it’s a deception, that is, it’s possible. well, there’s just a way to reduce the

impact of the enemy’s artillery by leaving it without ammunition, that is, they can have an abstract one there 2 000 barrels, but shells for these 2,000 barrels are only 100. that is, well, uh, well, everything stands up exactly how much of this scrap metal is in them, and given the fact that the strikes are systematic and exactly according to the ammunition warehouses , m.m. headquarters in order not to undermine the advantage of the enemy in artillery systems. it is precisely because of the creation that there is a lack of ammunition. well, of course, it is necessary to take into account the fact that the russian federation’s keinsteinb is not quite clinical . longer range, but here is a surprise, as it turns out we can destroy the same warehouses at a distance of about two hundred kilometers, a verified case in

henichesk, eh, there, the range from the launch areas should be approximately 220-250 km, eh, a case from the saka air base, and eventually in any in which case, even if they transfer certain warehouses with ammunition at a distance of 150 km, abstractly, this doubles the burden of logistics, the delivery of these shells to the front line, that is, requires more than twice the transport, twice the capacity of the warehouse on return of these munitions and taking into account the fact that there is no mechanization, everything is simply manual labor, this is simply a big burden on the logistics service of the russian federation, which is relatively simple from the old, current, historical , simple realities of the metallurgical service of the russian army, which is the weakest a link in principle vyacheslav says oleg how would you now characterize the use of heimers because we gradually switched to them after realizing that artillery is artillery but there are options of such a high-tech level yes

just ot haimers, probably this area just fits in what was particularly demonstrated by the hostilities in ukraine regarding the use of farmers, were there any or were there any such highlights that distinguish , however, enough from what was previously in the american army or before this model of weapons, we understand that the american army, it has not faced such an enemy as our army , that is, an enemy that is numerically superior to it, and therefore the american experience is the use of its armed forces against a larger enemy of course, to face a more powerful opponent. we are looking for ways that, on the one hand, would allow us to use these weapons as efficiently as possible. and indeed, mr. oleg is absolutely right that artillery is ammunition. if the artillery does not have ammunition, then it does not matter how many guns you have, because

ukraine found these the weak links of the russian military machine and is now knocking out warehouses with munitions, er, rear points of concentration of troops there, er , repair facilities, and so on. of the army and this weakens its ability at the front, and on the other hand, we need to preserve these limited means , that is why we have the practice of using high-mars, it is quite the same as guerrilla. that is, we can not afford to stand on some national positions and methodically shoot targets there within reach that is, ukraine extremely effectively, firstly, chose the goals for these systems, and secondly, it uses these quantitatively limited means as efficiently as possible in order to turn them into an element, if not

of the strategic level, then of the operational level. that's exactly why that we understand that the russian army, as the successor of the soviet army, its main type of ground troops is the artillery of artillery batteries in russia more than motorized rifle companies, how did they choose mortars, anti-tank howitzers , etc. and so on and in connection with the fact that the artillery it depends on projectiles and when it remains unmanned it cannot, uh, act effectively, it cannot act effectively, the artillery of the russian army falls into the caliper because it habitually artillery clears the path of armored infantry with its barrage of fire and now this is happening less effectively. we cannot say that the russian artillery has completely lost its potential . no, of course, no. is it significant enough? but this already significantly affects its capabilities and, in turn , the ability of the tank e-e units there to take advantage of the results of artillery strikes in the donbass. we see

the most relief means after the fall of lysychansk, russian successes, to put it mildly, are insignificant during a rather long period of time, if we had received hammer son a few months earlier how do you think severodonetsk and lysychansk would hold out? maybe i can’t say that. because you understand that this is the result of the battle for donetsk, which vysychansk is the result of the influence of many factors, and i can’t say unequivocally that if we had it, there would be hymers, but we kept, but the chances of getting it would be more. but you made calculations about how many high-precision projectiles are produced by such high-precision missiles that we have, and you were a supporter of the thesis that actually those launchers that we have are quite enough for us. and actually confirmed the thesis of the deputy minister

of defense of the united states of the allied states that the systems that are in ukraine are enough for them, tell our viewers what they are based on. so, relatively speaking, conservative approaches to the number of launchers, because our city is a defensive one, you say we need 50 launchers, and ideally 100. well, here we need just to note that i am not talking about it, there are enough of them. and the fact that there are unlikely to be more of them, that is, we will be forced to work with what was given, that is, whether it is enough or not is exclusively in my opinion the moment of the analysis of the general headquarters, which creates a need for uh, that's why we are faced with what we have. that's such a number , which, according to public data, is a little more than two dozen, and the pedagogy has already announced that in the near future, additional haimars uh, well, at the very least the specified number will not be the fact is that the total launch of the m-270 haimars systems is now a choice of 168 missiles

. considering that the un 270 has twice as large a package of surrender missiles as carimars, six missiles are possible. thus, if we take the lunar the need, for example, for each of the haimarians to make a full-fledged n80. just one full salvo per day, then we will get about 5,000 projectiles of reactive sources of the rs, which must be used for understanding in just one month , 5-4 years, at the same time in the sheep locket - martina is the largest company in the world, which also produces jamalrist missiles for heilmars. it has a capacity of 9-10 thousand e-e of such projectiles per year, in general, at the level of 2020 or 21, it was produced 50,000 gemma loretius, in general, in general, that is, it is clear that

we are definitely limited to a certain number of shells per month, and if they are objectively, if we can not release, for example, more than 5,000 shells, then, well, they will not hand over additional systems to us, it will be easier for them to resist e- well, without work, that is, without shells, it will be the same situation that why do you need a weapon for which there are no shells in principle and in these conditions eh, hm well, the only chance is to use them at a pace 24/7 with constant maneuvering of switching between eh operational areas of the front, i.e. using them in the most effective mode, simply without interruption and that's it, but already, explain to me what kind of feint poland ordered 500 heimers, 500, that is, what will it do with them based on the calculations that you said before that well, there is a

possible aspect they, and the poles, this is an extremely important feature that should simply be borrowed and done like them, when they purchase any weapon in sufficient quantity, they localize its production in poland, and in general, for them, this is the main condition for the purchase of their weapons as for the high-marts, after all, they will also localize their production, including missiles, well, there is one more aspect, we use the high-marts profession at the level of a tactical missile complex, and in fact, this is a system that, um, involves the use of conventional rocket unguided projectiles from a distance of up to 40 km, that is, a kind of hurricane, due to the high cost of this system for ukraine and the fact that we use it as a long-range, high-precision rocket system, we roughly moved it to the cemetery if you compare it like this, then hi-mars, which would only be a jet-powered conventional projectile

, is a hurricane. and with high-precision jamo lores, it is an alder, that is, most likely for the poles, the purchase of exactly 500 eymars is in general the purchase of universal launchers, because there is one more an important aspect of haimar is that it is a universal launcher , it can launch unguided active projectiles, jamala features, and ballistic missiles, atakams, and by the way, there is already an opportunity to use it to launch such missiles as anti-aircraft aim 120, that is, you will close this launch standard for all this, it provides for the possibility of integration of other missiles, which is also what poland is betting on. do you think that only heimer is possible in general, precisely with the transition to more powerful long-range missiles and considering what it is the silver bullet series of the ukrainian army of your evaluation well, of course not, that is, it is an important element that

directly affects the course of hostilities at the front, but still, the main burden of the room now lies on the ukrainian infantry on the ukrainian armored forces on the ukrainian artillery. that is , haimers are the means that will allow the troops to act more effectively at the front more quickly to destroy the enemy, but we will not win the war with haimers alone, and there is another aspect. so we understand that we have a limited number of e-e pieces and a limited amount of ammunition for them and there is such a moment there is a certain limited number of worthy targets because it is not possible to destroy several

large ammunition depots of the russian army there every day that they can only be unreconnaissanced and they can distribute them to smaller ones, that is, to hit the same formation, let it be there 70 km from the front line in front of it, it must be found, and here the question is to what extent and the satellite reconnaissance means there, and if we say there about assistance from nato countries by other means, agency development, and so on. and so on. how quickly do all these means of gathering information allow you to identify targets, uh, against which it is appropriate to use heimerts because, well, somehow there it is inappropriate for an infantry unit to fire such a missile. although if there were a lot of them, it would be possible , by the way, then we could win the war

, let's say so, with one mikhail, we destroyed the targets that we see, we swim through the front line, but we understand that this is not visible fantastic, therefore, for farmers, there must be worthy goals, and we have two minutes to find them first. the next program, and now briefly summarizing. please tell me what you think about the strikes on crimea, what was it olezhe, what do you think we destroyed the russian planes and objects, we can only repeat the most likely options. at the stage for 21 years, according to the statement of the minister of defense, the terrain was already 80% ready, that is, we had 1.5 years to prove this development, in fact, the third option - this is a modified neptune, we also

indicate that the saka airfield is a target is close to the sea and in fact the development of neptune for the destruction of ground words was also carried out eh and there remains one more real option - this is the action of special operations forces, at the same time it is possible to exclude all kinds of kamikaze drones and bairaktars due to the low power of their explosives, for example, you only have a power there in general 50 kg, or in general, the mass is 50 kg for armored cars, and he says that there is also a lot of explosives on it, and there are explosives somewhere at the level of, well, more than 200 kg. that’s exactly what it means to the guests for this conversation. to this conversation literally in a week thanks to you and our viewers, and i will remind the viewers that we are the interlocutors oleg katkov is the editor-in-chief of the defense express and vyacheslav tseluyko is a military analyst and now a serviceman of the special operations forces follow our

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