let's talk like this, well, you also said that you want to live well today and we have a war, everyone's attitude to money has changed, everyone has changed in their own way, some have given up traveling from expensive restaurants, well, everyone in their own way in ukraine, your attitude to money has changed and in general you are saving on something today, look, we are saving on everything today, because today it’s not just about business, but about you, maybe we gave up on drivers, er, chefs, eh, look, i still didn’t have enough, and i never did, because my wife cooks for me, and it’s just all the time she went abroad, came abroad, but today she is in kyiv. because she came, we are starting a school, and we, by the way, do not believe in online education, and we are starting an offline asyto e from the first of september, and look at the school - this is such an institution. in september, it will not be launched next year, and there will only be a room left, so she is here today, the teachers are here, we will not have

as many children as before the war, unfortunately, but we will teach them and start it, so the wife is here and she cooks. i remember in an interview with yevgeny chernyakov about spend $80,100,000 a month on yourself. and how much are they roughly today per month, after all, i have car drivers there, i’ll take them. well, i think that 20,000 is enough today, i haven’t driven in 3-4 years. i haven’t driven in 3-4 years. the cleaning lady works very rarely. well, there once a week. well , we don't need that much anymore, we don't have children, we don't have a wife, she came, that is, we save money and put half of it into business very correctly, the right message that should be heard by each and every one of the ukrainians. we have already started about business. look, there are many

opportunities. i see that today there are many organizations in ukraine. it starts from google to our digital ministry. they have guarantees. you know how many i counted, 28 organizations. i will give them to you, by the way , and maybe you will show them on the air so that people can see and you can get this grant from uah 250,000 to 8 million, that is, if you do some kind of production from wood in order not to export logs and create 30 jobs, then you are given up to 8 million , this is free money, you understand. yes, but not choose people don't apply you understand yes that is they let's say yes i yes i want to say what is necessary please show let people apply if you if they were refused there is no need to complain we need to redo the plan still apply to one instance we need to be

persistent i.e. your concept of what we are now we are building a foundation that will give us the opportunity to grow there, ah, tangible growth there in 10-15 years, but there is today. yes, i talked to one of the businessmen involved in the light industry, he frankly says that the money is now the state only has money for the army and to supply some goods and to earn at least something. yes, at least there, at least to keep an enterprise and there to reflect the cost of products, you can only use this money for everything else . people do not have money, and this applies to any industry today. in today's conditions, of course, yes, we have to develop investment projects there, start big plans for the country's development there, but today, where is a business to look for an opportunity to earn money in conditions when, well, every day , and it can even be seen from there, the donations of people on support for the army is less less less well, look, i

'll give you such an example of my manager, zheka , he is vert patience, he had his apartments destroyed , and i, he, the company supported him, gave him 150,000 uah or 200, he did some repairs and he says vasyl well, come to me, well, come , last week i drove to irpin, first of all, people are alive, people are opening, a dental clinic is opening, some kind of cafe has opened, moreover, there, where it was destroyed, look, the glass has already been changed, the door has been changed, something is already moving i like the ukrainians. they complain a little later, but they actually work and do something. there is still a war in ukraine, they are already starting to do something about it. it makes me happy. now look at the way it used to be, unfortunately, it can’t be now. yes, if i used to earn some millions now

hryvnias, that is, today, hundreds of thousands. and today, if i go to zero, that's also not bad. i support the team. i won't lose my experience. this is a very good example. here are the aluminum ladders. i like them because you used to. they bought them abroad and then sold them to us for a profit. they are already manufactured in ukraine for conversion. they create jobs . i like it. well, it's a little different, but they paid, the war started, now they have a challenge of 70,000 , do they have to pay more? well, the chinese will return half of it and they took a loan, they settled and you buy equipment, they say, i say, look

guys, you understand that the market has fallen four times, she says so, vasylovich, the market has fallen four times, but the competitors have left. well done, well done, well done, and this is what they are creating today, this robot will pay taxes, produce , support the team, i like these guys , so before the war, you taught your company to its employees for an uncertain future there for two hours a day, we talked about what such trainings were and prepared our managers, we taught them about the uncertain future. now the war has come, how did such training help, because your managers and your employees left. how do you cope with such challenges, see we have many challenges in our industrial parks. a foreigner also worked in our parking technology and

today, unfortunately, i lost almost 70% of the team, this is great for me, but look, someone abroad, someone resigned, someone who is already here, well, we are not we can receive yes but look they don't work but we are still one team until today if you call someone he helps you he helps us we are looking for new opportunities between us and this is for me it's nice for me because today we have a war but you know what is happening in the world, what is the economy, how do you understand that today you are in america, in america, this is the first time there in 50 years. they immediately have inflation and a crisis, an economic crisis, this is in general, they are now raising the interest rate for the bank, reducing inflation and there will be unemployment business will be closed that

during covid, they printed money to develop the citizens, yes, they called it today, they are shaking the americans, you are even fleeing to mexico. we have more favorable conditions there on the eve of the first. let him flee to us with experience, we will gladly accept them. today i would like to emphasize that, unfortunately, i often meet with civil servants who say, "you don't need to teach me, give me money ." they will give what he says, give me money, you don't need to teach me, he will never get it, it's just friends, a short break, i think it's very interesting, we have a conversation, and we'll be back in a few minutes, awkward questions are warm, the conversation is more interesting inside byraktar tox every friday 21: 00 in marathon, the only news that monday in marathon, the only news, we

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ostrovska returns to the air, and i and franplynska are visiting vasyl khmelnytskyi, a businessman and entrepreneur. we are talking about the realities of business in the conditions of war. and you say that it is very nice to see how small coffee shops start some small businesses. working with the energy of ukrainians is cool, that's all right, but we have a foundation for our economy, there is a foundation that fills our budget, we have heavy industry, the agrarian sector, and if we take, for example, metallurgy, there are small theses and figures a-a production of mining and beneficiation plants has decreased by 75% since the beginning of the war, e-e production of e-e metallurgy has decreased by 84% in ukraine. and yet , any small and medium-sized enterprise exists on the basis of the successful work of difficult large enterprises, what is it with us, what should we do do

we need to somehow try to restore metallurgy, heavy industry, or do we immediately use this precedent to reorient the economy to other rails, to other basic, some foundation, basic things? look, it's terrible that we lost so many metallurgical enterprises it's bad, but it's also bad that it's a foundation, well, it shouldn't be a foundation, if we're talking about agriculture , it's bad that we grow wheat and send wheat abroad, we have to do many, many different types of processing. for example , turkey is the second country in the world in terms of art, and so on. where does it buy wheat? and it buys part of it in ukraine, and we need a wife to process flour and from flour and make some products, and then we will create many jobs. metallurgy is a

business e-e business part if it is profitable for business let it build large metallurgical plants if new ones are geno let it not build because in the economy e-e it is very dangerous if for example there is a metallurgical industry and 80% of it consumes these products inside the country, because if we have 90% exports, it is dangerous, so if the markets fall, then we, uh, we have a lot of marism, i see that we in ukraine need to make a condition for the construction of thousands and there may be tens of thousands of factories that make various products and small i i don't know, it starts there, it starts with those ladders, there may be a hundred, only some buckets, pliers, shovels, because we buy it all, we start cooking .

today we have the production of metal, but the markets have fallen. we have no demand for foreign currency. we need to change the concept. if it is profitable for business, let it build and i will produce metallurgical plants . let it be built, but if it is not profitable, let it not be built, but the state should support the construction of small enterprises that will manufacture products or process agricultural products to make a product well, for example, corn, you hear there, e-e, send it in bags if you can do it, not there for pop feed or some oils with we need corn or something else, we really need development, what is a stumbling block, that's why it doesn't exist now, yes, everything is a stumbling block of knowledge. there was a law and today we are the

third country in the world in the processing of sunflower oil, you understand. yes, we acquired so many factories because it is impossible and this rivalry is 50% of the world market . our sunflower oil is cool. that is why we need to do some things and the state is doing it today. i already about this he said that, for example, if you are not going to supply raw materials, e . ukrainian products, and if there was a product called made ukraine 5-10 years ago, everyone only wondered what it is today, in this wave of patriotism, the world supports ukraine, it’s incredible. they also counted us on the air a ton of wheat, sell it there for one price, if it is made into flour, grind it, it gives 10 times more profit there, if this flour is used

to make pasta, it is 50 times, yes 6 hello, make frozen croissants and deliver them by height there also in you can earn 10 times, so you, yes, every step is an additional income, but we have been a raw material economy all our lives. well, we can really push this train from above, we love production step by step, please, i will return to this knowledge again. look, unfortunately, we do not have, for example business education is very powerful in the state. well, somehow we should push business education, because we are in post-soviet ukraine. there is still a way of thinking, and even business does not really like production. so they think that it is some kind of fraud, or business . the basis of the economy and growth is jobs, it is

taxes . without business, the state cannot work at all, especially since today we cannot attract foreign investment, well, this is frank, but they are cool, smart ukrainians, they go abroad for education and say that they will return with new ideas and they don't come back, they stay there like that, look, that's our problem, it's our problem as a state, because you say that, come back, please, because we need you in ukraine to return, but it won't work. we have to make the conditions so that they earn money here, feel protected, and only the conditions of another there is no way, and then when they see that poland earns less than ukraine, they will come with experience. well, now there is a lot of talk about it business, yes it-business, high-tech business, you were engaged in the construction of a-a industrial parks, yes, i knew your project in bila tserkva, the

industrial one, it is an innovation park, innovation, yes, it is inertia, and i did not do it, but i do it and i think that i will do it, you know, we always say that because there is life before the war, there is life in the conditions of war and will it work after being there dozens of foreign companies, you dreamed that after all from poland from america well, i understand that you wanted to create a ukrainian silicon valley, not one to one, but you wanted our young specialists and scientific talents to be comfortable work in ukraine, they didn't think about it, because it is necessary to come, but it is, i will do it, so we are in such a situation today, well, the economic recession may be very big, because many companies left, i saw a study somewhere that 50 to 57,000 people left aitishnikov, and that 's it it's very bad because these young people are smart and

unfortunately it doesn't matter to them where to work. they sat down in poland in a co-working space with computers, and our challenge is big . very powerful courses where we will train new it specialists and this is also our challenge because the world is. i agree that we must understand that the world is moving fast and there are many problems in the world, that is, today they are there tomorrow, some problems will not come to us later we have to leave so that they come to us and here are such conditions, such opportunities that they say they called and say you are coming to ukraine , here are the conditions, what are the conditions, well, look, taxes , security, e.e. medicine, because it is not enough, just give a person so that he is beautiful he had to earn money so that he would still be there

he must be protected, he must have medicine at a high level, so that the education is good, so that the children go to kindergarten, so that you have a modern education, because unfortunately , i studied the experience of finland, you know that in finland the teacher is like god. they are graduating from higher education they want to be from 10 seven want to be teachers salary 8000 and i will give you an example very cool we wife built a school well such a modern school in canadian language one of our universities that train educators came to canadian education as a basis we collected 30 people who graduate and make a presentation. they say, look at the youth, you can choose my people so that you can work there, and then in 3-4 years you will be a teacher and make good money at a modern school . what do you think out of 30 students, how many

came up and said i want try what do you think 10 but what do you think next 0 0 you see how zero because they are not going to work as teachers someone will be a nanny and someone there has already agreed someone they are not going to work at their school not for sure for sure they were admitted somewhere they were not admitted then they took it where below is such a document and it is necessary to look at it with it for parents parents want the child to have an education and this is bad the teacher - i agree with this as god does not make the future of our country and it is necessary to change the salaries and change the approach and turn education, because we have post-soviet education, it is no longer modern, there is also good mathematics. we have it, but after the war, we need not to rebuild, but to build the latest, to take

the best experience or power in our country, continuing the topic of the conditions that we have to create here in ukraine in order for the business to go there, various companies went there. and this is the fresh statement of the european business associations on the tax block. at the moment, there are several acute problems. first, the situation with the registration of tax invoices with vat for many companies for various reasons. it was possible to register invoices . and those who managed to do so face the situation of blocking them. in this context, the association calls on the tax office to return to the usual dialogue, which is currently needed more than ever in order to promptly to solve all problematic issues and not to create unnecessary pressure on companies, all about what uh, buns, yes, in simple words, we can talk in ukraine. when right during the war, we understand, yes

, the prime minister comes out and says that foreign partners are helping us financially, only for social payments, yes, these grants that go to help are only for supporting social payments and supporting the budget, not the military part of it, but to finance the army and support the war, and financially , we have it ourselves, and the tax system in our country is starting to work how does it always work as before, yes, that is, even better. and why, yes, why is the war, and the business is complaining about the same thing again? people have not changed, how they worked. before, there are those who have habits, who have experience, so they put it into practice. therefore, everything must be rebuilt in a way new and it won't be easy, but i want to give advice to businessmen, don't wait for some kind of help, don't wait, because i see a lot today, people say that the marshall plan will be a trillion 100 billion and everyone is waiting, look, maybe it will happen, maybe it won't happen, maybe it will happen, but we will build roads to the country, business should

to look for opportunities inside, but even the richest people surprised us ukrainian from the forbes list who sell their companies and even tv companies are also crying it turns out that way in bagat, they are also crying and in general, this forbes list now exists, and did the action of certain richest ukrainians with the law surprise you about the oligarchs i think you are talking about it yes, but yes. for example, if you have a small business , you earn less. but you have less workload, for example, i have 200 million dollars in loans for the entire company, you understand, yes, that's it the company is very big before the war, i earned a lot , but today i have to service loans, there is no money, and today you are richer than i can be, up to 200 million , you understand, god, for utility bills, you have uh, there were 29 on the forbes list, uh, there were uh,

look, i not very powerful - a very powerful magazine, but there are no debts, we don't see, we see people's fortunes, and we don't see how much they owe me , if you add them, then everything changes. for example, we have solar stations what kind of expenses do we have in kherson? well, how are the expenses? i think that it’s a waste, they don’t work, god forbid that when we take kherson, they will be intact. trust me, the experience is such that i will start from scratch and in 5 years it will be the same as today, i am not afraid of it, you know in the end. we want to quote another post of yours and show it to the audience , and it caught my attention. you posted a photo with jara diamond's book coup such moments in

countries that are experiencing a crisis and you give an example , namely the countries of finland, germany, the united states, japan, indonesia, australia, how they overcame this difficult crisis, but if you carefully read this book and your post, it becomes clear that each country had its own path and none of them repeated the recipe of another country, but under these conditions, what is the recipe for success in two or three theses for ukraine to quickly get out of this extremely difficult crisis? look, because all countries are different, people are different, they have different experiences, different cultures, so it is not it is repeated, but look at germany, this is a very good example, they lost everything after the war, you understand, yes , germany was divided there into western and eastern, and look what they did, they came forward to complain , they did not fight with their neighbors, they concentrated on developing their economy and when they grew quickly, very quickly it's only a matter of time when

the whole country was once again united as one germany , that's what i'd like to say, today is a good example ukraine united all ordinary people and businessmen and civil servants all they work so that the enemy cannot win, so that we win, but if this is still the case in the economy after the war, then we have a chance, we have a chance to build a very powerful country . then let's go back to what we had in the past and it confuses me a little. well, i propose to end on this. and here is our slogan business - it is the foundation of the state's existence, it is actually confirmed and friends, let's see among the huge number terrible problems, let's look for opportunities to push the country forward and develop it. well, let's hope from the state that this problem with which we

started the discussion about the fact that the state sees itself differently. we will somehow change and say that everything is so bad. go and work, do something. we do thank you ostrovska ihor ukrainian vasyl khmelnytsky businessman entrepreneur was on the air until we meet we will rebel we will bind up we will win the bristles news together we are strong execution the highest measure of punishment when lev ku lukyanenko awarded this sentence, it seemed that his story was over. lukyanenko was accused of underground anti-soviet activities and soon the sentence was changed after 30 years. mp lukyanenko wrote a draft of the act of proclamation of independence of ukraine on the birthday of light lukyanenko. on august 24, 1991 , ukraine became independent from small years

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