and what the staff told us about the occupiers, how they treated them, this gives us a certain picture , you understand. yes, it was hard in chernobyl, but there were no people behind us with machine guns in their backs, yes. at least we were calm for our families, who were it was completely different. it must be understood that the entire safety of the zaporizhia nuclear power station today hangs on the shoulders of the few hundred people who remained and work at the station. the so-called extreme scenario, that is, if god forbid , of course, one or another form of man-made movement of the opening disaster will happen, what are the possible consequences, because according to rumors, they are already starting to distribute the appropriate

means, and it is possible that the evacuation of the population is being prepared, as mr. mykola said, it is almost impossible to predict something, because uh there are many design accidents , which are foreseen in zaporizhzhia, there are also many non-design accidents, and almost anything can happen, but what can i advise, i have a wonderful site called vindic, it is a site that shows the direction of the wind at this specific moment of time, you can go there and see where the two are. and actually, radionuclides, if god forbid something happens, they will spread in the direction as shown on the website, that is, in this way, you can protect yourself in a certain way, somehow, well, control the situation, know what will happen radionuclides already now local self-government representatives of currently occupied cities

emphasize that it is possible to organize green corridors for the delivery of appropriate drugs to the city of energodar and in the territory adjacent to the zaporizhzhia npp, we are talking about potassium iodide, does this make any sense, mr. mykola, let's have more drugs, there is in energodar, there is no dose at the station, what they present at every station, there is an unrivaled supply of these drugs, and in the cities, towns, nuclear stations, you have drugs, they are there regional centers, regional centers and so on, access to them is the most important thing. what is the matter, can the occupiers provide it and is it effective at all ? имеать смысл имеать сенсия и спекулации здесь нету

recently killed well, we understand that the situation can develop not predicted in any case. i would like to clarify, that is, the monkey syndrome with a grenade of one or another russian war criminal on the spot, that is, the so-called case, i don't know p' i don't know if it's a buryat or a drugged-up resident of tyumen or some daghestan station. it's important that there is such a moment and there is an option, so to speak , to the higher level. it's about the war criminal general vasiliev, who promised that in the event of something like this so to speak, to burn everything to the ground, well, figuratively speaking, so that it all does not return to ukraine, i would ask you to consider whether it is possible or they can organize such a small provocation with

huge consequences. i wouldn't discuss it, we know very little about it, we know how you concentrated and we are asking for it, it is not an action of the military, well, i am . it's pointless. unfortunately, it's a bloody shame that not only the military are present at the facility, but the head of the russian nuclear sanctions at the level of chief engineers, the deputy of the chief gremyrs, and so on. and these people are good. you know and understand what we are capable of. in the practice of messengers, everything is possible. well, it’s not all there. get younger, of course, they

perfectly understand what they are not doing. the more dangerous they are , because if you really wanted to do some kind of serious provocation without it you won't make a specialist, a soldier might throw a grenade into the room there or some armed person who has nothing to do with security, enough honey in your pocket to switch a couple of wires, serious problems let's put it this carefully, well, it's impossible to enter this country, it's impossible to lead with these people the conversation is well, savages, this is the same word, please, which i could um use, they don’t understand the border of р-р in general, the border of человексы, the border of obschennia, and so on, and so on then we know very well this tradition of the country, there is a lot of work, i would like to clarify about the potential to have

the opportunity to influence the current situation as well, ms. elena anton, the entire system of the organization of pneumatic nations has shown its complete inactivity, which is a part of the organization's system, it is the present moment, absolutely no one just threw it and you should not let us into the station to see this is a pure advertising campaign nothing about them envy thank you mr. mykola ms. elena magate and is it possible to get anything from them at all wait, i'll say it a little softer, because we are ready and the un is such a gentleman's club where people agree with each other, i don't think that it is possible to agree on anything with russia at the moment, as we

can see from all the meetings and about everything else that is happening and as the classics say that good times breed weak people, i think that there were good times in europe in the last 60 years, so unfortunately all organizations that had to control something in a certain way, we saw this in georgia recently it was the anniversary of the russian invasion itself in georgia, we saw that the shops did not react. oh , it did not react to the situation in georgia. it doesn't react to the situation in ukraine. well, it's very limited. let's put it mildly. it reacts to the situation in our nuclear power plants, so i think it 's time for us to change. in a certain way, the world system, a little bit about the power lines that lead, i would just like to add that the organization does not play in them

, i include the general secretary, not many of them, including the general director, so far they have not named who is the aggressor . a revealing moment, and we understand that the key russian narrative now is to present the situation so that there are two sides, but in fact two sides. there is no russian occupation, russian aggression, attempts to use the occupation of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant as a tool for blackmail not only of ukraine, but of the world community, you understand, which is extremely painful and the paranoid woman is experiencing this, although it generally does not reduce the level of the threat, so the christian just wanted to clarify the moment of the current at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and, accordingly, the output of the generated there is energy, there is information that

high-voltage power lines in the kherson region were damaged. i don't know if the occupiers are doing anything to restore them. but this line that they are taking out does not actually lead from the border to the crimea. and we understand that the representatives of rosatom are on the u.s., including with the aim of switching the power from as to russia or to the occupied crimea in some reasonable perspective. olena, do you agree with this, is it even technologically possible? i think it is better to ask about it . mykola, is it technologically possible? with from the point of view of the electric load, crimea does not need electricity there, there is enough of its own generating capacity from the transfer of power from the kuban side , it is finite from the point of view of the need for

electricity . systems of russia and belarus, we connected 7 hryvnias, we were wondering about the energy system of the european union well, this is a technical one, it is possible yes, it will take some time to restore somewhere damaged, there was a message yesterday that one resistance fell somewhere in the early kherson region. well, this is all engineering work. my ego usually lives by time, however long it will take, because some experts say that it was technologically impossible, and so on. as far as i i understand that there were simply not enough competent people in this field, so we are asking you about this, mr. mykola, you can still do it, how much time is it, this is a second conversation , but whether it is due to intelligence or not, so that we do not get it, do you understand that their task is simply to deprive

as well as our energy system, the energy that is produced at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, this is the same scene, anton, for our energy systems, the load of the country is lower, and what is the fate of the country, it is necessary to give zaporizhia sanctions . crimea does not need such power, but what will happen when they still go there, it is permissible to go there, there will be some kind of overload, because it will affect the physical dimension of the work of electricity from the kuban side elena, on the other hand, we understand that in addition to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station, there is also the chernobyl nuclear power station and, in general, several others that are

in a rather dangerous zone, so to speak, where is this about south ukrainian and rivne, please tell us what is now in chernobyl well, maybe certain measurements were made regarding about the criminal activities of the dumb-headed russian occupiers who excavated the redwood forest. well, the fact that they will die from that is, so to speak, their problems, and the consequences may be felt by our fellow citizens, er, not so much it is correct to put the chornobyl nuclear power plant and the southern ukrainian one in the same row, because chornobyl nuclear power plant is, after all, a state-owned enterprise specializing in the management of radioactive waste contained in the er destroyed fourth reactor er, so actually we have to understand that it is in a certain way er - a special enterprise, a burial ground, waste management, and measurements on the territory of the exclusion zone are currently being carried out, but this is all very complicated

because ah, uh, because the territory is mined and the territory where people work, uh, there are uh, houses for example, the offices have been demined a little, but all the rest of the territory, as colleagues from the chernobyl radiation reserve say, will be demined by animals, regarding the assessment of dosimetric evidence of nuclear and radiation safety, it conducts a dosimetric survey in populated areas of the northern part of ukraine. that is, it is the zhytomyr kyiv region, because it is important actually, for the population, chernobyl is currently waiting for its turn because it is alienation . judging by the way the enemy is now located on the territory of our country. if it didn't sound like it, we

understand that he is still going to move in that direction. i just would like to understand that the southern ukrainian nuclear power plant has the same characteristics as the uzs. that is, we can face the same risks or there are differences , but i don't think it's possible to predict. that is, it 's a question of where the enemy will move, what he will do. well, i'm a scientist, not a fortune teller. well, okay, we're just a separate danger for please comment on the rivne nuclear power plant. well, the differences are mercedes there in 2004. well, very technical people, water, a water reactor here under pressure, this is zaporozhian lordly

green , sharp. двухстаг yes последняя обстрел in vinnytsia, if you remember him from the caspian sea, mr. mykola, but on the other hand, we understand that the kremlin may be afraid to use open weapons, and that is why it is going with such a hybrid that is, this is his last argument in the negotiations by mrs. elena. something they agree on. the kremlin is not afraid to use open weapons against nuclear facilities. we do not know what we understand . what is in the head of this rat ? there is no purpose, it ended a week after it began, when they were expelled from kiev."

that's what you need to understand. and what's going on in his head, you can understand if he's even standing today , irpenya, after the wart, we know what's in his head this is how it goes and what happened in mariupol is unfortunately the best evidence , a demonstration of what is going on in that head. so i agree with you, the danger is very high, well , our dear guests, you are representatives of the scientific

environment, and it has historically been the case that for a long time our energy systems were very connected in the former soviet republics, we are now talking about it and there was a certain amount of communication, so i don't know to what extent ms. olena is a little younger, yes, but still, there was a certain amount of communication with colleagues from the russian federation, probably from belarus. yes, we civilians, as they say, imagine this whole story. is there any communication at all with your colleagues on the other side , at least on some level, to understand what is in the heads of these people, what is in the heads of we can suspect putin, because he is just a maniac, to be honest, and what do these people think when they go to such things, relations in 14 years, well, some remained

separate . they started to work, they wanted to have a school at me, they worked, their meetings always worked, so after 22 professors , doctorate emblems, academics, but this is the only choir that stands around, it’s a rat, the situation is changing. we understand that andrii derkach has paid extremely great attention to the situation in the ukrainian

nuclear energy industry, and there are corresponding suspicions and corresponding investigations by our competent authorities regarding his cooperation with hostile by the russian special services, in particular by the main intelligence directorate of the russian general staff. i simply don't know how much this information is confidential , but have there been any attempts to correct everything after the influence of people who were connected with him, so to speak, because it was not for nothing that he was interested in our atomic bomb as such my acquaintances understand

that this is a special service, or is there something like a person? of energy, the rest is what happened in the country ... if you want a short comment on the last question, let's say i'm still a scientist, i can hardly comment on politicians. but yes, unfortunately, the situation was . some other structures of the organization. i don't know the representation of the european union, some kind of headquarters in brussels, that is, experts who could receive one or another mandate from the united nations in order to to send there an honest inspection delegation of the work of a collective management system

when it is required and the system simply never works anywhere, we understand thank you very much dear mrs. olena dear mr. mykola olena paryniuk sr. scientific associate of the institute of safety problems of the nuclear power plant of ukraine tam mykola shteinberg former chief engineer of the chernobyl nuclear power plant station as from the head of the state committee on nuclear safety of the former minister of fuel and energy of ukraine thank you very much for this brilliant honest analysis and participation in the broadcast of the espresso tv channel. and we will take a step further, let's talk about hostile propaganda outside our country in the countries of our partners.

germination of russian propaganda dmytro zolotukhin media expert deputy minister of information policy 2017-2019 p dmytro congratulations glory to ukraine good morning colleagues glory to the heroes thank you for inviting yourself to start with the topic you covered just recently, we will talk about austria and russian propaganda there, and the leadership of the austrian police said that ukraine did not exist, that, in principle, russian aggression is justified by such an act of e-e on the territory of our state, it is characteristic that e-e actually promoted such messages as i now understand the former deputy from the party of regions from luhansk. that is, she is a person who had a certain status in our country, and i am not

sure whether she is still a ukrainian citizen, which is most characteristic, and this means that russian propaganda has found channels that can to be more fruitful abroad in order to promote relevant narratives, you simply take a ukrainian who does not support ukraine, who is an open collaborator, and through him you count europeans with open eyes and mouths, whatever you want, what is it , is it dangerous or is it an isolated case and the organizers of this event, the committee for the organization of russian compatriots in austria , we explained in this way, and their partners from the austrian police said the same thing. they said, look, we have already taken two points of view from us the event was attended by people from ukraine and people with russian roots, and this is how we kept

a balance of opinions, in fact, there is no balance of opinions, of course. this woman you see on the screens , olena, is fedorenko, she is really now showing fakes from -e staged photos with children and what does the actual tragedy of the death of ukrainian children during the entire conflict and the entire russian aggression since 2014 erase there are no, of course, no two points of view, but these are manipulative techniques that are used in almost all countries, and not only in the european union, but where the so-called world congress of russian compatriots is present is a very deep network of structures, such an administrative and very well-financed network of structures that is present

throughout in the world, they were partly financed and supported and registered by such a body as a cooperation which has long been reasonably suspected of being a platform for the work of the officers of the service will enter the decision of the intelligence of the russian federation abroad, including the fsb, now, according to my data, disunity is no longer so active, there were a number of scandals related to his leadership, but instead, the russian peace fund, which is an umbrella, such an umbrella by the organization for the distribution of finances, that is , all these measures are actually financed by the russian budget and funds that make such measures possible, all measures are public, that is, the point is not that austria supports some such measures, movements, etc. financed by the russian federation, the legs grow from here, but then the question is for the austrian police.

yes, i understand how absolutely correct you are , it is very confusing that the austrian police absolutely do not understand canoes and the relationships between the organizations with which they work and conduct uh, measures are taken directly by the russian government, or there really is an agency of the russian federation, or people who are very, very biased. that is, someone in the russian federation has some kind of scan. they must act. according to my own legislation, i think we should deal with other cases, geopolitical cases and soldiers in other countries. well, it seems to me that this is not the case of law enforcement officers here, maybe we are not working on the information somewhere, eh. of course , there is a question about how the ukrainian side of the activity is structured, however in view of the fact that the scandal in austria on this matter has not subsided for several weeks and indeed the parliamentarians of

austria have sent relevant requests in order to find out in what way they were accepted in the austrian police, the decision to hold these events, i can still be responsible, it will be reputational, and it will formulate the possibility for the dismissal of the relevant employees and management of the austrian police or not appointed for the next period, and in fact , we and we want people to carry uh, yes, you really took it that according to their legislation they do not have to understand who is right and who is to blame, but according to the fact that, after all, austria is a democratic country, there is a democratic press, so they are very good poured salt on the tail, which we are now very actively promoting, and the embassy of ukraine in austria is also working on this, and the diplomats, i am in contact with the diplomats who are there, we are jointly working out the information that is received

. in fact , this activity is harmful to russian structures abroad, it does not stop, and we will clearly observe this post, and our message to our western partners and such structures as the austrian police is that if you continue to to cooperate with your russian a-a visas, then this can have a very negative impact on your political career on the political future precisely because there is a democratic press in europe, there is a position, a key issue is the democratic press in europe and democracy in ukraine vitaly portnikova, a well-known journalist who works on the espresso tv channel, on radio svoboda and in the city of other publications, a wiretap was found in his apartment, this is actually an unprecedented scandal. we have seen photos of this device with an inventory number, well, for now

the lviv regional office of the security service of ukraine is establishing all the circumstances surrounding the appearance of devices in the apartment of vitaliy portnikova, which, according to the journalist, could have been used to record conversations with dmytro . and because mr. portnikov lives there and when it was installed and how it was discovered and so on and so on . porter however, one should not forget that this is only one of the hypotheses and one of the versions. another version may be that this device was installed before he entered there. in addition, some

decided to live there or since it was used for other persons and so on and so on, that's why i think that the main problem remains that the security service of ukraine should have democratic parliamentary control, which we still don't have in the plan of maryana bezugla, who promised to carry out sbu reform and she already said it she finished, after all, she did not present ideas that show that the security service of ukraine should really be controlled by deputies and there should be appropriate democratic mechanisms by which deputies can call the leadership of the sbu and recall all the relevant issues. the systemic problem is the lack of public democratic and parliamentary control over the special service has not gone anywhere, it remains now, indeed, it is not key