at the moment, the city allows you to provide practically everything except weapons of mass destruction or prohibited topics, such as the second raptor. in principle, they are not provided and are not provided to anyone except the united states of america. this is true and has the first jesus in the world in terms of stocks of archaeological works and, unfortunately, practically unlimited ammunition for them, but little by little the strategic initiative is moving into our hands, and that's how a cigarette butt happened in the crimea is a clear evidence of that. another question is that they won't understand me if i say something like that about modernity, let alone philosophy, and the minister of defense in copenhagen said that ukraine will receive 1.5 billion euros and for ukrainians who are used to 10 billion, yes

, some say 40 billion, as they say, lend-lease in general, and then 1.5 billion and all such, well, not seriously , so many people have gathered, so many ministers, and 1.5 billion is what, how can you touch these one and a half billion, as vitaliy says it much or little is it what does one and a half billion mean? what can it be compared to? i am not an expert in deep economic topics. let us remind you that this is due to huge mergers, primarily from the united states of america and memory serves, it is somewhere in the list of 8 billion dollars, the lend-lease pact will be estimated at almost 44 billion dollars, they did not justify quite serious and ambiguous economic problems, our economy, if i am not

mistaken for a minute, has moved by about 30%, really without investment capital and the creation of a money supply on the part of our partners. well, it is unlikely that we will be able to survive in this part. probably not exactly at the address, then i really understand well in the classes of strategic missiles and somewhat not bad in global geopolitics, but these are already subtle fundomic points, although the economy is also geopolitics well, you probably need to look for a high-quality one expert, we would like to thank petro chernyak, who was with us in chernivtsi, who was with us. thank you very much. thank you, mr. peter the great . well, where is the economy ? in the evening, people usually drink beer, but only

vitaly and i are sitting here working, and the rest are thinking about how to have fun. that a disaster is approaching in zaporizhzhia because when i was little, well, younger, er, i remember for sure that any nuclear power plant can withstand a direct hit by a jet plane, and this means that it is not so easy to blow it up. then the question arises, why the un megaphone is so nervous. the ukrainian president , the leaders of the european countries, the leaders of the leading countries of the world are coming, who are all calling for something to be done, somehow to warn this russia against using the zaporizhia nuclear power plant the way it is using it. what is the problem, really?

indeed, i am the danger of a nuclear disaster. let's try to look at it as follows . first of all, over the past 5-6 weeks, nothing has changed at the station. 5-6 weeks ago, military equipment was driven into the hall's car. ammunition was imported. from our side, so what is happening now, in my opinion, is simply a rise in temperature, a rise in rates, russia's attempts to negotiate some as i understand it, it is not energy at all, but rather political or military things in the dialogue with partners er, in the desire to arrange some kind of truce, because the real situation looks like this, and no

physical changes have occurred, because the energodar station is flying around it, and the elena station has remained , but recently, the diplomatic media efforts of russia have sharply raised the temperature, at the same time , it is necessary admit that ukraine began to work intensively and in the last two or three weeks, you know , such first results began to appear in order to force russia to withdraw its troops from there, in what way we need to make an international coalition that will start sanction the seedlings that will begin to actively sanction the nuclear industry of russia then we will have things then we will have a point to sorry but to trade on the topic guys withdraw their military from there ensure nuclear safety at the facility then your rosatom does not receive international sanctions for it mr.

oleksandr one more question, we can not trust russia. i think that 90% of ukrainians do not trust russia, but journalists forget to say that during this meeting of the un security council, russia refused to make a zone free of troops on a non-combat which zone was insisted on by the general sector of the un, but you agreed to let the specialists in. do you think it is possible to believe the russians who say that there will be no militarization there, but experts from the magete are there, for example, yes, they can let them in to have a look . how easy it is for us to believe or not, you can't believe moreover, such a mission does not make any sense, because everyone understands well that as long as there is military equipment, as long as there are ammunition and explosives at the station, the danger will

not go away, and here it must be recognized that the un has taken a very correct constructive position and er, this position coincides with the best interests of ukraine, as it seems to me, the station should be demilitarized, the military should leave, then there is a sense of the megate mission, then it makes sense for independent observers to be there and monitor so that er, as muscovites say, there are threats of some kind of terrorist attacks or mismanagement, let there be representatives of an independent mega-state there who will state that there is no threat of terrorist attacks and you have no problems with management. attention well, i don't know. it seems to me that i want to build something in turkey, but i just don't know about the world. i just don't know. the international programs are gigantic, worth hundreds of millions and billions

of dollars in many countries of europe, in many countries of the world, not only in turkey, not only in finland . only that the finns should be thanked, they already threw out the dew from one of their stations, which they wanted to build, not only the czechs, who also just threw out the dew there on their own initiative to build a new czech station, but many, many other projects are left and many stations where they supply fuel are left and they buy from them for hundreds of millions. this is a subject for sanctions, this can hurt and we need to press here. in crimea, is it technologically realistic to disconnect from the ukrainian energy system and switch to the energy system of the occupied territories, and look purely theoretically , if you take a spherical horse in a vacuum, then it is realistic

and say the line that led from the zaporozhye station to the crimea until 2014, it is necessary to connect certain additional types of equipment at several substations, including directly near the station itself, this can be done in a few weeks in theory, but on the other hand, i know very well that on the ukrainian side all responsible bodies are aware of these plans and i know that there is a plan to counteract the implementation of such a project and that it is already being implemented and i am absolutely sure that there will be no switching from there will be no normal training from the ukrainian side, one more question, see the question . look, you said that there are gigantic projects worth billions, and this is rosatumi, this is nuclear

energy. everything is clear. what i have been observing lately is that many countries in the world are trying to avoid russian military technology . of this technology, they saw that russian troops could not win the war if it was said that the second army of the world could not win against the 22nd army of the world and then and that is why contracts began to collapse, some african, some asian the countries say well, your planes don't fly, your shells don't fly, your artillery isn't accurate, what are we going to do, what better way to carry out ukrainian russian weapons, this ukrainian war, and that's why they are starting to refuse, so can the world from the point of view of atomic energy, when russia itself i read a lot about how they are very proud that we have such a reliable system. we are so cool, we build everything beautiful. if you need it, we will build it for you. it is reliable. and now all russian technology

is everywhere in the automotive industry. if such a thing exists in space, i have a lot of energy, the military sphere , it is all in doubt, do you think in general that the world will continue to believe in the russians, and you know nuclear energy, er, i think that our position here should be very simple, we have to help the world not to believe that the russian nuclear technologies and help the world to remove them from the world map, and here we need certain diplomatic and , er, such political efforts, which, it seems to me , ukraine is starting to disperse, you know, a certain process was completed and the result was achieved now we have to go the same way from zaporizhzhia and on the way remove e-e from the world map of the nuclear industry cooperation with rusator well, i don't

have any more questions if you don't have any, thank you oleksandr kharchenko, director of the center for diesel research of energy oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign security policy, we will wait for him a little, but he will start a conversation, maybe now, i just listened to the russian liberals today, and i am very dissatisfied with many different there they are on their websites, they are very dissatisfied with the call of president zelensky, with the call of finnish politicians, estonian politicians in general, baltic politicians to stop issuing visas and even sometimes even those people who have been living for a long time and have visas and to stop their actions and send the valid visas back the only one i feel sorry for is artemia troitskyi, who lives in estonia, it

seems to me that he has always been enough for the citizens of russia, hundreds of thousands of people who have always been enemies of the authoritarian regime, and they were enemies even when a huge number of ukrainians were sympathizers of volodymyr putin and oleksandr, it’s a fairy tale, how to cut them out is very simple. mykola, it is necessary to stop issuing tourist visas , and it is necessary to issue humanitarian visas. this program is in germany, which invites the russian president, that they can find such a number people who take so long to study these, i imagine, let's ask oleksandr hara about it, we can join ours to talk, for example , you are going to the embassy, ​​you are a journalist, you you are a public figure, you are an activist, you are a user of social networks, here are your proofs of your social activity, what is there to study? and you just want to go see berlin or paris, it is a tourist attraction

, of course. in taiwan, but even then, and for the citizens of others, you know, you can’t sell one country to the same russian woman, but i say it should be the same, and then if it’s here, then it’s that way, of course, oleksandr by the way, let's add you to our discussions here. vitaly and i are just in good health. thank you for coming to us. so there is a version that russian so-called liberal politicians say it is wrong, it will not do anything. and there is such a mykola veresen who says, for example, even he doesn't say anything, he just says, apparently, among the japanese in 1941, there were patriots of the united states, or among the citizens of the united states of japan, there were patriots , it's not about the citizens of the united states, it 's about the citizens of japan, yes, the mutations are japanese

nationality, they just said you will sit there in concentration camps, they didn’t expel you, yes, ok, we can, i was in ukraine, and it wasn’t a concentration camp, mykola. i was on the isle of man, there, where they specially deported german citizens who lived in great britain. well , i understand, it’s the same as now in ukraine has 200,000 russians, we need them somewhere. well, they need to be limited somehow. no, it's not a fiction. well, listen, we're with you . with us, he must understand that we have different positions here. 200,000 russian prisoners of war is one thing. he will have a third position. i run citizens of the united states of japanese origin are another story, they were not in concentration camps like and like others there, let's say citizens were interned there, they were interned, but under which conditions they are normal, these are not different things. we finally agreed here and finally we will give the slavs. i felt that it is necessary to start the discussion earlier in order to

give the floor to oleksandrihari just before a quarter to five. it is so oppressive that one can say that the one pole that is closer to you is arnold amelka's saying that the lord of all your eh-eh will remove eh-eh and definitely that in fact, the russian opposition, which is currently abroad , emphasizes that in fact the ban on the departure of russian citizens will become like this, well, in fact, they are comparing it, saying to take the jews and return them to nazi germany to destroy them there, maybe this is right in principle, but the question is because we are talking about tourist visas , no one has canceled other visas that affect those who are persecuted, those who do not want to live in fascist russia, of course there are procedures. we will say more of them simple, we will now say about those russians who, well, carry this contagion of the russian

peace into normal civilized countries, and here they are recently literally . in berlin, she was not allowed to go to austria, and of course one such young fool who attacked even the former president of estonia because she boasted that she did not pay taxes in estonia, what are they like ? idiots, why do this, when a company was registered in georgia and now it is also being evicted. i am not talking about other cases there. well, and most importantly, let's look not only from the point of view of morality, but from the point of view of national security. they came to see the spili national team, they went as tourists, and of course it was not for nothing. actually, it is not a genocide, what was the russians did not commit any other

crimes in ukraine, let's say so, he would have incited all this russian and the opposition not only but actually the impossibility of traveling in europe and living in peace when ukrainians are being killed, and that's why i think that in principle the introduction of restrictions is correct, first of all, for the baltic states themselves, in order to secure themselves, because you know, since the airspace is closed to russian planes, the only possibility to get into the civilized world is either finland or the baltic states it is now they defend themselves first of all well, of course they have a moral part, but another argument is very interesting, you know, i liked it very much there is such yevhen finkel he teaches at the hopin university and is one of the experts on genocide, so he clearly wrote, you know, i am against collective responsibility, i am exactly guilty, because of course everyone must answer to the law for

what i have done, but i am against collective responsibility. -th responsibility, because the regime that was established in russia was not established immediately. yes , that is, those who were not involved in politics, were not interested , did not go out on the streets. and they allowed putin to actually turn russia into a fascist totalitarian state, and therefore they to be responsible for those in ukraine well, i don't know, to be honest, we are not going to send them anywhere, especially if they have done nothing, if they are fighting, ukraine is independent, why should we treat them differently, that is, i think fanaticism is not needed, but on the other hand, it is the fact that i literally looked at a few numbers before the broadcast , our favorite livada center, and without modno what is difficult to evaluate this sociological opinion of the mood of the population in a totalitarian state, but still

, well, as a guide, we can take e 68 % believe that russia is moving in the right direction, only 22 that it is not in the wrong direction - 83% approve of putin 15 did not approve, well, they were afraid to say something very interesting, another survey is the most memorable events of july, a special military operation 32%. that is, they are the ones who will really interest someone and they are worried that there are no further events - 25%, that is, a quarter of the respondents - they don't care, because for them it is no longer an uninteresting story . this is what the russians have absolutely get angry at what these liberators are doing in ukraine, they support it, it doesn't matter whether they are active or passive, they support that genocidal regime,

it is against us, and that's why they have the opportunity to travel the world. i don't understand it, so i'm for that those who speak out against the regime, who threaten their lives, freedom, and the actual opportunity, let's say, to express themselves in this way, and of course they can use the opportunity . to be like the nazis well, of course, europeans don't want to be like that, but in any case, we have germans who are heart-sick, who believe that this is putin's war, not the russians against us, and who will most likely interpret the adoption of such a general decision on by eight on these visas to russians and perhaps then these baltic states, first of all and finland, will follow the example of estonia, because estonia, which banned it, banned entry to the territory

of its country to russians who were issued schengen in estonia, if it was issued in germany, then they have skip and that's by the way. it's very similar to what happened during covid. do you remember how schengen crumbled in front of our eyes and every state tried to put up some sort of borders there, and despite the fact that it's a huge space, they even restricted the movement of europeans, not to mention there natives and that's exactly why i think that the baltic states can take this path, mr. oleksandr , look, that is, how to do this in the interim, and the result of our discussion is that the world is not ready for this , and the world is not ready now, in what way it is impossible or difficult to legally determine when a country obviously has 60 or 70 or 80% of people who support some barbarian, it is

impossible or difficult to separate these 70% from the remaining 30, and the world is a world . i don't know there... there is world politics, she is not yet, she does not know, she has not faced such manifestations of aggression as the russian one is now, and in hitler's germany, it was just today . more there is a desire to ask questions, if possible. yes, i have the impression that they are just people. well, they are in some confusion, and i do not see, as it were, preparatory options, so that some lawyers would gather somewhere and, and, and produce for the future, and suddenly everything

will happen again, some rules of the game we roughly understand the rules of the game that existed until february 24th, but humanity is not yet ready for the new rules of the game, correct. i understand that it is not an easy path, well, definitely. this is called cognitive dissonance. when our consciousness does not keep up with the cardinal we are changing with the events, and it is certainly observed in europeans, especially the further away from russia, the slower they realize something, and especially in the german example, we can see this, despite the fact that crazy progress was made from the point of view of their own militarization, which even the poles said that well, let's spend more on defense. you see what is happening here in ours, how do you think it is a neurohud, er, in the suburbs or in the neighborhood, here, too, right there, the cancellation of the northern stream-2, other things

for us, these are definitely small things, and for germans - this is crazy progress. well, you know, yesterday i watched the meeting of the emergency meeting of the security council convened by the russian federation regarding the threat to the peace and security of the world in connection with the aggression of ukraine against the ukrainian nuclear power plant zaporizhia and which valiant russian liberators are protecting close cooperation and cooperation in legumes almost with, well, that is, with our staff located there. well, in fact, definitely. this is absolutely a distortion of what was happening, but when i heard all this a and b i have three, let's say, three, three, three pieces. the first is the position of ukraine and our closest friends, the united states, france, britain, and there was a speech, but definitely this is russia, and let's say which country is on an extreme position. and then this world that did not join china and india, and they

told us we call on both sides, it means to find a couple of places of understanding there. look at your grain agreement, it gives space to find a solution here too and blah blah blah i.e. imagine if, for example, the hindus the chinese don't care ukrainians are killing, well, the attackers, in principle, they can turn a blind eye, it is not their problem, but they can buy russian oil at a big discount or sell something there to the russians, everything is clear, well , it is about international nuclear terrorism, this phenomenon is generally unique, or we used to think that there were some gium can seize nuclear weapons or a nuclear power plant, and here a nuclear state is a permanent member of the security council, and this is a threat not only to ukraine, not only to the euro, continues to use the term, both sides do not say that russia means we are going to impose sanctions and such restrictions if you don't

stop doing what are you doing because you p- you are actually putting the whole or human civilization in front of actually, well, the destruction of this did not happen and for me it 's just wild and especially after february 24, 2022, but in the spirit of the chinese people, it is still not clear that they support either silently or consciously those who can destroy it with their stupidity, because you know, well, you are a wonderful, barely refined person. - this broom from the echo of moscow, as he told about rockets that can fly half a kilometer away, immediately blame the forces for being purposeful. they hit our civilian objects, it's just like that, well, such old weapons are bad . there is an investigation to be done. imagine this

, uh, i don’t know. such a cave-like vision of the world, it ’s left with the chinese. they’re playing around and actually conniving with russia. they’re going to do these things. thank you. i have one more question, i really do n’t know. now i don't know if i can bet try the question, if not, then i will say that this is a bad question, you should not ask it. see, there was such and such a way when people without citizenship but from citizens or from citizenship that they somehow lost after the first world war. they received so-called nansen passports, yes, that is, passports there nanson offered such who do what i am, but i am like an extraterrestrial me, i am behind the state of the ussr, i have a passport, that is, is it possible to go along this road,

or is it possible to make some way at the un level so that those poor russians who mean against putin, well somehow they felt in the world they could move between borders i know how to show these passports something from a good schedule a passport of a good russian yes, well , there will definitely still be mountains a passport of a plahov chinese a good russian er terrible north korean and so on very briefly because we literally have one minute excuse me it is really the liberal russian elite that proposed the idea of ​​this passport . have a nice day, russian. it seems to me that there is a way out. it seems to me that they need to. oh, if they don’t keep a passport in their pocket, where is the double-headed eagle? means imperialism, it means actually not in the fascist regime of the russian federation, well, let's remind them what they have and definitely the

ideology that exists, if it vibrates, entered berlin in a norwegian military uniform and became the federal chancellor of nothing. okay, we have to finish . excuse me, please, oleksandr khara, expert we apologize for the issues of the foreign and security policy of the defense center of ukraine. we must warn you that at 17:30 the answers to questions that you may have by then will begin and they will try to answer them. mykola veresen and probably vitaly portnikov and now we have as far as i understand the news with the charming angelica the season continues 170 days of the russian-ukrainian war for your attention news on espresso in the studio