moreover, after each such crisis, europe and the key world economies become stronger, and what today terrifies our european friends about the fact that it pays to get rid of russian gas dependence on the russian oil industry for today but as of tomorrow, only europe is stronger than i i remember in the 14th year, i was told the same thing, why was the contract with the rural gazprom that we were always on the russian gas axis, we refused and condemned the russian attempts, that's why the world the economy is in a difficult situation, but we will survive a difficult situation, it is much easier to print money than what the ukrainian military is doing today , the ukrainian army and the ukrainian people , protecting democracy and freedom, protecting peace , security in those countries are capable of helping ukraine and it

helps that i am very grateful to them, but tell mr. arseny anyway, let's look at the situation after the end of the hostilities, not even after the victory . but the hostilities simply stopped at some stage, because i hope russia is exhausted cannot continue to act and we stop at something , even without a peace agreement, there are simply no rocket attacks, no troops but at the same time, there are millions of people abroad, millions of people without work and destroyed cities, enterprises, infrastructure ms. varishchuk yesterday from the premik yesterday they talked about what will be required mandatory evacuation from not only donetsk region, how to restore the country in such a situation that people generally had a desire to return here and others from here not to go what is the recipe to prevent this depopulation in already deinstru where are the industrialized countries well, you in italy said

that if the war is stopped i will start by answering this question, stopping the war and winning the war are two big differences, i absolutely agree and pinka in the war stopping the war is profitable only putin because he is never this monster he will not stop until the moment he is in the kremlin and his entire regime of law is not only in the personal putin because many of our western friends believe that there will be no putin and there will be no problems. i don't think so. i think it's russian national-fascism, the goal of which is the destruction of ukraine and the ukrainian nation. that is why we need victory in this war, the second is for people to return to begin to economize . i do not see a member of the ato in those

territories controlled by ukraine, ukraine should be given the status of a member of nato. the third is the incredible financing and arming of the ukrainian army because it is the third element of security. the fourth is ukraine's accession to the european union, it also has a reform program and an agenda for ukraine, and this agenda involves not only the economy . by anti-corruption bodies that function independently, by all regulators that function independently with a tax scheme that does not change from day to day, then this is the plan, it was written it will already be 4 or 5 without americans, europeans

it is unreal, the children of the ukrainian economy. the new plan of the channel for ukraine should be the subject of a key discussion of the ukrainian government of the ukrainian government. together, we want it just like that. i said it right away. money will be given for specific actions. at least the first steps that must be taken are about the fact that we have lost and only er labor half of the mining and geological complex of ukraine, not only that we are 20% of the supporting land, i hope i believe that in you temporary, we are losing human potential, various estimates from 11 to 14 million ukrainians got me the opportunity to live in their own houses in their own corners, some of their own moved so that

this happened first, respectively, points not to mention how they say that we need to survive the winter will be difficult, we have to survive. i am convinced that winter is also expected, and putin has plans for loans to ukraine, and therefore we must have clear plans on how to provide heat and warmth for every ukrainian , because if putin dreams of doing in ukraine has one great alchevsk, the truth is that there was such a tragedy in ukraine, that's why it's like this. thank you, mr. arseniy , and this is a video. thank you very much and let's move on to the interactive session. i'm ready. mykolaiv. the first question can be asked. the first question was sent by marie. dear ms. serhiy

. a statement regarding the release of azov for growth and probably a tribunal over our captured maranetkov dnr, the main intelligence department appeals to the red cross and the un, does this mean that all possibilities of influencing the aggressor have been exhausted and disgusting courts in the occupied republics are ahead and deadlines for our soldiers who or what can stop it no one and nothing can stop if no one and nothing stopped putin from handing over ukraine to ukraine why do you think that anyone can stop it's just that he is now acting with ukrainian defenders there are none here very cynically and seriously, no one can be to blame for the bandit's actions except the bandit himself, yes , the un and the red cross and ukrainian intelligence and

counter-intelligence of the special services talked about it, but they can spit on it all 100,000 times, 100,000 times, just continuously spit, i i just want to be able to promise anything. and that's why it's a war during a war, especially with barbarians. it's absolutely normal for a barbarian. why not, and we're killing. i don't believe it, but they, but the danger is there. i want to say that this is also an important point that we have to start. live in a realistic world because we understand very well that the azov people left australia not because they agreed on something with the russians, but here the choice was very simple to leave or die and there was a chance for at least some people to leave and that happened. to save or lose all of them at once in one day, that's the

reality, everything else is how it was drawn up, it's also a working out of chances related to the fact that maybe russia will need something from the un, maybe something will be needed from the red cross, then it will to play some other combinations, but this is what i want to remind you all the time. since 2014, the ukrainian leadership has been the president of ukraine. is it petro poroshenko or is it volodymyr zelenskyi who has no influence on volodymyr putin, moreover, you must understand that the president of ukraine is for the president of russia no president, because for the president of russia, ukraine is just a series of separatist formations of regions that should be annexed to mother russia, and the person who heads this separatist formation should also go to court to the dpr. i think that this is the only place where he sees volodymyr zelenskyy, he supports him there during the tribunal, and you can't blame the ukrainian authorities for not doing something in the conditions of the war, so i mean in the same situation, in such a

situation, the azovians are real heroes that they restrained the russians for so long with their own lives . in fact, these are people who later, as you know, the spartan heroes were the armies of tsar leonid, it's been a long time since sparta is gone, but we remember tsar leonid with his spartans, we make blockbusters about it, where no one will even say sparta, now she has all gone underground a long time ago well, it is ancient to sleep like that and here they are real heroes but every heroism has its own limit and every banditry has no limit so this is one moment and another we are here, by the way, i noticed that russian russian human rights activists in mykolaiv they turned to putin with the demand to create a moratorium on the introduction of lethal coffee on the territory of the dpr , that is, even people in russia understand what kind of cynicism this is in russia itself, there is no lethal coffee in the dnr of the lpr they are going to join there, bears are coming

medvedev but there is its own moratorium, which was canceled, it is a horror, so that only the armed forces of ukraine can stop russia, and this is a hard struggle and this struggle is for a long time, absolutely realistic, and you must also understand the situation in which our country found itself after february 24, 2012, everything that was before years of grueling war began, years, not months, and we have to live in this conflict, which has now become the meaning of the existence of the ukrainian people, because either they will survive or there will be russia before uzhgorod. that's all, and there will be russians to live as they live in all the captured territories, somewhere there will be someone who will remain, they will simply take the others as slaves, they will simply drive them out, moreover, what is the purpose of one of the goals, it is very easy to make an absolutely terrible state of affairs out of life in ukraine and show it to your russians, oh, you see, oh, what happens after the maidans what happens after the vote, everything

kuchma, at least you can go to baikap, yes, and all the wonderful life, yes, yes, so what do you have, it is called an ingret in our country, what do you say about the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, is putin so crazy step how to undermine the reaction here in germany, people are starting to buy iodine tablets on the internet, i get the impression that they are afraid of russia like rabbits, boa constrictors well, yes, i think that in germany i think that well, in principle, i personally do not cross buy firstly secondly i don't think it's a change - vague doubts are miniaturized, i strongly do not believe that putin will do anything, blackmail, he will not take away his weapons, and he will not create a zone free from militarism around the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant . i am convinced that he can start some kind of micro-fire do with photos to see what they are terrible how terrible i am how are you holding me seven because i am

crazy i will start a nuclear war or introduce a nuclear catastrophe i think this is a big well big big problem but he will blackmail threaten to create some conditions and and i despite what i personally don't believe. i support what the ukrainian authorities are doing in the sense that they say that putin is crazy, we should be afraid of him and that this station might explode. although i still don't want to say that when the military is at the nuclear you can't even plan an accident at the station. it can just happen as a result of the chaos of idiocy , because the man with the gun is not the person who should be there, ah, this is a problem much more than , let's say, an artificial accident, you know, they may not want to do anything, but they will simply lose control, it also happens during the war when they lose control, how did it happen, is it like this, yes

, yes, is it necessary to carry out a military coup in ukraine to reverse corruption, as it was in south korea? it seems to me, mykola, that people who participated in revolutions in south korea, then were on trial for corruption abuses , so many, and there every subsequent one who staged a coup was then again in prison, if it was not necessary, one should not confuse economic development and victory over corruption, a corrupt country can develop rapidly, yes, by the way, yes, about it says and it's a fact, well, but that doesn't mean that corruption has been overcome, it's just better to live in a country like norway than countries like south korea, but what corrupt countries show is incredible the results of development under the conditions of a democratic world, under democratic conditions, this is also absolutely true, which must be said, listen, in china, no one anywhere, no one has overcome corruption, listen online, after all, it was also

corrupt there in the southern territories, even today, i think that the growth of the gross product of wisdom i will give norway 3.2%. there are countries in africa that grow by 7-8-9%, they simply do not have corruption in our country compared to those countries that grow by 8-9%, and are completely corrupt. i want to say something, by the way, so that people understand because in our country, the fight against corruption is always connected with the fact that we say corruption, we will do it voluntarily, that's one word, no money, you can fight corruption , stay poor enough and you can not fight corruption, be rich, the point is that the fight against corruption is a matter of justice, so that there are equal opportunities because in south korea , with all its painting, people did not have equal opportunities, that is, people in these conditions had much more opportunities than others for the corrupt regime. by the way, the government also appointed those who would be rich. by the way.

very similar to the ukrainian situation in the 90s, when just rogue people entered the government, now i have a couple of factories and a couple of mining processing plants, he me, ok, give me a refund, i’ll give you, are you the head of a corporation, had the opportunity to influence the presidents now in the southern country, it seems to me i had that none of us are the last , only the president of the president who would not fall under the corruption so as to defeat co- fight corruption this is not about south korea because i met with brazilian diplomats once and they also tell me to listen to you here, there is terrible corruption, i tell him and you don't have it, we don't have it, but you also have presidents, the president, the acting president, the chairman of the senate, the chairman of the house of representatives, the previous one, all of them are on trial for corruption, a successful president, he was he was absolutely loved by all the videos perfectly justified you can order again and they tell me but

still the satellite of the earth everything flourished there and he took bribes what will you do i understand that some of our enemies will later say that we like corruption no, we are just talking about the fact that we are against corruption as against things that simply corrupt society, this is the corruption of society, of course vitaly , but i will tell you. the first time after the fourth year finally after the 14th year that it was inspired by moscow don't develop the economy fight corruption yes fight corruption it's such a corrupt state don't give it any money i.e. this became an idea fixed nobody about anything else i didn't think the west won here, besides, the west didn't win here, i listened to russia, what are you, putin, all the time, look at how corrupt ukraine is, and it's aimed at you

, well, i'm glad too, it means that very often there are things that really need to be fought, that need to be exterminated yes but they are becoming a weapon in the hands of the enemies of ukraine. what do you think are the conditions of the cyprus and north korean issue with korea? i think that we should simply have a democratic regime in china. yes, a democratic regime in china is simple. well, sir, what did i write? i'll tell you. it's simple in china. democracy isn't just for us here. such tests of a solution with china are waiting for us, next to which the test with russia presents itself. it seemed like the last, last, if only the five-year plan was the last five-year plan, because the state of affairs in the economy there is absolutely terrible. it's just terrible. and the state he is in . if i read western economists correctly because of the fact that it was simply usurpation of power, it was previously separated, this is politics, this economy is here

more or less, this is a new regime, yes. and now everyone says no, no, we do not have a free economy, we will to manage the economy, we will influence the national bank, there are some businessmen that everything is bullshit and this is also a problem and i don’t think you know that the development of china has stopped now, we talked about it with mr. mitseniuk, it just stopped at zero plus half a percent, so this will be growth starting from may this year and this is a huge problem, i don’t know how they maintain it, and it’s one and a half billion people, and that’s the uyghurs. and it’s not only gura, there are a lot of national minorities, which number dozens, and several, and some, and almost hundreds of thousands of so-called national minorities. oh, it’s not easy there it's not just there, i think turkey will never allow universally recognized borders. to be honest, i don't understand why it is necessary to check only claims to turkey in cyprus,

after cyprus joined the european union, there was a referendum on the unification of the island, during which the turkish cypriots spoke for the greeks, the kyriots spoke against such unification means that so far we cannot find that modus viventy that would allow two communities to live in a common state, and this question is not only about the turkish desire to unite because turkish society there are different opinions, there are supporters of independence, there are supporters of the same type, but there are also disagreements in the greek community, and the question arises. why do we have to watch, because it will definitely be like this, maybe the communities of dieprieska will sooner or later agree on something else. and this person is not low about no, i don't know, i do n't know. well, i'll just explain this match, part of the turkish troops to cyprus, back then, from the united , independent cyprus, archbishop

makarios the greek invited attention, because the greeks a had a junta on the greek territory, and they were on the territory the republics of the republics of greece they had a junta and under this village of the kingdom i apologize to the kingdom it was still so so under this this moment and at this moment the greeks in cyprus began to oppress the turks and then you asked for the archive, that is, the greek makarius, an orthodox priest told the turkish troops to listen here, they are insulting the greeks the greeks are insulting the turks . go in and the turks came in, but they didn't. that's not what i wanted to have. well, scandals went on there and so on, but keep in mind that there is such a complicated situation there, not everything is so simple. that's it. it is not possible. although i have been to northern cyprus several times, definitely not southern cyprus, and i will say that sooner or later these wounds will heal because

there is no longer that aggravation, moreover, in turkish cyprus, i have been to villages that are greek, there are greek villages, i do not know how there well, it is the turks who are working now in greece, they have been working for a long time because they pay more there, this is so cool in general. it is the dream of any normal person to live in the north because everything is cheap there and work will be in the south because there is a large salary of the european union, yes european allies by the way i have to say that i was the first time in cyprus when there was no turkish language, there was no border between the two parts, turkish nationals were not allowed to the greek part and on the contrary i was amazed that the people who lived on the greek part did not even imagine that and it takes place in turkish just even tourists of tourist activities somewhere on the curtain just er guidebooks that were sold on the greek part of the english-speaking er part dedicated to northern cyprus hurts glued glue imagine

and with i got three spots under the rollover several times with stones, that is, from the turkish side with the turkish part of nicosia, the capital of the dnipro, stones were thrown to the greek part, and then i arrived already when the border was opened, no reunification took place, the borders were completely calm, peaceful life is completely transgressing. so, i really hope that turkey and greece well sooner or later there will be enough sense to create a normal life among themselves because one more lever is that don't forget i don't know if anyone knows about this or not in the greek territory somewhere around a third well okay, a quarter of the greek territory is british nato territory, although both are nato member countries, and the military base is all that listens to intelligence, western intelligence, the ears and eyes of western dimensions are located there, and they are extremely interested in gray and

turkey making a mistake, this is all extraterritorial territory, by the way, there are newspapers yes, yes, just a huge territory, its own radio so , dear vitaly dardach and mykola kostyantynovych, we are writing, but hrebinchenko, which books do you think most objectively represent this history of ukraine, thank you sincerely for your work, mykola senchuka i read your favorite historical channel. i suspected the latest poroshenko. i can’t read. i only speak. i’m paid for cheap tv presenters. i take all of these books by the author, in which there is absolutely a book in which this essay describes the history of ukraine, for example, serhiy is a bad gate of europe. a beautiful book, i highly recommend telling it in person.

you look believe these matches snyder snyder covers the ground but i would say one very important thing in my opinion, watch it is very important read a lot of books on ukrainian history because i am still very good i am without exaggeration just read different things because we ukrainians do not know our history at all the whole history is broken through the russian eye through the moscow eye through the eyes of all history it is still sitting somewhere in the heads of professors who teach students and students can also sit down the civic scheme of the soviet history, namely schemes, specifically ukrainian, ukrainian without relatively, because constantly even modern historians , well, there moscow said something or st. petersburg said something or warsaw said something or bucharest said something, but look at ukraine, exclude it through the prism

of ukrainian eyes, so far it is very difficult, very difficult to say that we cannot understand in any way that this is the time from the transfer of the city council to the declaration of ukraine's independence even there in the 20th year, when a completely different development had already begun, even the ukrainian ssr - it was already different from the russian ssr of the empire, this is an episode in the life of the people, how much of this time, how much? well, there are those 300-250 years, yes, yes, yes, 300 and something, yes, 320, 340, and it has its origins somewhere in the times of russia, in the times of princes vladimir and yaroslav, this is an episode, and the russians are made that this whole history is the center and it should never have been different and most importantly bohdan khmelnytsky got there, went there, knelt before the moscow tsar, and that's where he found his homeland, the entire russian version of ukrainian history is a complete lie of complex idiots. that's how you can say you can easy, because i would say, i would add so - in the course of the

conversation, i added what do you think about ukrainian literature, think about ukrainian culture , ukrainian architecture, when during catherine's time, ukrainian churches were simply remodeled one by one, what happened keep in mind, therefore, if you forgive two books, three books, all the books that we have listed with italy, it is still not enough. it is still necessary to publish books. books about the history of odesa, by the way, there are western historians, they differed from what russian histories did, yes, this is what we are, then when the nation begins to study, there will be some result , here is the question: what is it, when what? it seems to me that

education is of great importance, namely education e- is related to the humanities because our humanitarian education has also been russian-centric all these years, and even when you talk to adults who are sure that they are educated and they graduated in principle from the soviet universities are the best anyway, they look there there was a scheme and this scheme was perfectly made how do imperial historians work in general, they create a certain scheme into which they then put all the necessary content i once had a history textbook by pokrovsky, which was then criticized state mykhailovych was i had some book or textbook or simply his works that pokrovsky was of course a bolshevik historian but he was an anti-imperialist and there this whole history looked completely different even when he there he spoke about the pereyaslav council, he said that his assessment there was that there would be a peasant uprising of ukrainians who wanted to live freely, and

bohdan khmelnytskyi, the elder, was afraid that this uprising, a class approach, would somehow affect their interests, and that is why they decided to negotiate with the tsar of moscow, what happened a blow to possible ukrainian statehood, because if ukrainians had won statehood for themselves, mykhailo pokrovsky wrote, they were one of the loudest ukrainians, as you remember in the fact that he he wrote in the 1920s and there were still stalin’s works, this descent was not bought. yes, and if he wrote more or less freely like this, yes, internationalism, class struggle , that is, marxist history. and here we are in russia. we have the great stalin and they already have this pokrovsky already dead and then they mean him dead, you know how they love all these sects, uh, well , they didn’t pull him out of this kremlin wall, but they branded him as a traitor this is how all his students were shot, and

this whole story again. and after all these students of pokrovsky were shot, it became absolutely imperial again in terms of discourses and remains so today. you know, in russia i bought books on the history of the regions of which they were after the 17th year it is not surprising that they did not publish them. until the 17th year, they published a great history of the ryazan principality. i learned from there that when they rose up for the last time against moscow, who wanted to return their grand duke, they were evicted to the territory of moscow and the territory of the soviet princes were called muscovites, but yes, but that was something that could be written under the tsar, and when soviet russia became free from free history , it was never mentioned again, and there were many such pre-revolutionary books, and here i want to say that the question is not that the ukrainians do not know. this is their own history. the question is because the russians who attack us also have their own history

. something has to happen to russia because the first historian who wrote the truth, the anti-imperial truth in france, you empires, were french, of course, all british historians who said we are to blame for the problems of ukraine, and it is not the hindus, she said oh-oh-oh, it was the british who said that something is history something to change what we are doing, then what are we broadcasting to radio liberty for the opportunity to communicate with you thank you for playing and listening good luck medvedev came to occupied luhansk and would take with him the russian security forces and the prosecutor general there, the former the president of russia met with vata