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oh, because he is a person who understands how to say what he wants to say correctly. well, let's listen to what he wrote in a telegram, for example, the world is sick of this rudeness. he is fed up with russian cannibals who brag about the number of child victims. ban russians from tourism , the right to civilized education, and he he will probably use it although there is something about the questionnaire of the best bar in georgia for the grandfather bar, of course it needs to be corrected and made more official it is she who should become mandatory for russians to fill out when crossing i filled out any borders. you can’t go through , turn around with your suitcases and your brood . and i’ll remind you what kind of questionnaire it is in a georgian bar. one of the georgian bars put out such a questionnaire . and what did they say if you’re russian, we’ll let you in, of course, but you fill out the questionnaire where you do you condemn putin's actions do you condemn russia's actions in
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relation to ukraine and on well, it seems that such a questionnaire is valid and i will remind you that in georgia in general there is enough of a large influx of russians, georgians think that this is huge, they are trying to deal with it somehow russians are generally not allowed to fight in many bars simply because they are russians, and others say that this is not tolerant, that it is chauvinism. well, there is still a story that is waiting for zorova to say that first of all, he is trying to call many russians to leave from russia and uh, in general, he says that he is a citizen of ukraine, and as a citizen of russia, he emphasizes this in every way . he worries about russia, worries about well, according to him, he worries about those people who left, who also help everyone and are trying to do something. what are they they are trying to do something that is not very clear, and well , in general, according to his kind of eh well, according to some words, how does he advise what he advises the russians to do it is either to dump a-a or to dump or dare to
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weigh and not to do something and not to change uh russia well, hmm, let's see an excerpt from an interview on his channel, it is posted a-a, i will simply remind you that citizenship was given to him for special yu- he was given to his wife for special services to ukraine, and then mr. zelensky said that if we need to shake russia, then we will pump her for with the help of such nevzorovs well, let's listen to how he uh-uh shakes it up..."
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well, you see. now mr. nevzorov wants to fight with a-ah mr. zelensky. well, it would be. look at the results of these grants of citizenship. i will remind you that this happened even before the granting of citizenship to such russians who later showed themselves from the bottom of the good side, for example, ekaterina sergovskyi , she is now the editor-in-chief of the ban website, which has already been involved in scandals several times. and now , there are complaints against her, there are complaints about her materials as a matter of fact, again, the site is banned. and the fact is that she travels to different cities of ukraine and writes about them. well, most of them
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have something. what 's wrong there? what 's going on? the material was from mykolaiv, it was called the headline of espionage on the front line and there. she describes, from her point of view, not very well. they are suspicious of people with cameras that are filming something, that are walking around. this is an absolutely normal situation when you are being fired upon. and when you know that there are people who, for a certain amount of money, and some, perhaps, for some kind of persuasion, can hand over the coordinates, then of course you will be a little horrified and suspicious under such conditions , because your life depends on it, and of course,
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when there is an opportunity to somehow report a suspicious situation, you report it very often. absolutely, of course, it is a big manipulation, let's now move on to russian media, which in ukraine are considered trustworthy by many people even longer. of course, the issue of terminology they use in donbas is the so-called dpr, they call it the partially recognized dpr and lpr and speak of it as actually, it is an independent entity , and not so long ago, they literally had now there is an interview with a russian paratrooper
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who is now very widely discussed in russia, because he wrote a book called zov in latin, and from his interview, he was in the war for two months, he went from the crimean side to the kherson region and then two months later, according to him, he left the war, somehow he managed to get out of there, now he goes everywhere on the liberal media and tells how good and wonderful he is, and by the way, when he is asked about war crimes, he says that there were war crimes, but they say it in such a way that, well, not like that. these are crimes, let's listen. around february, there was a situation when they were shot from a bmw car in which the mother of several children died and only one child survived. it
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's a small boy, that's nothing. literally seven days after that, i think they found a relative of kafevay and handed it back, but i know for sure that the same prosecutor's committee took up the investigation of who and how shot him. эту машину хоротство i'm just sorry that such a book was not written by someone from the military who was or maybe also these are all the shot people, they wanted to somehow save them. they just didn't have time, well, it's completely delusional and all these interviews with this russian military man they they completely whitewash the russian army and the questions they ask this military journalists ask as if there was nothing critical, but another character of these media is, in particular, dezhdya, this is marina ovsyannikova, who continues her creative activity, they whitewash her like this well, she's on trial right now, but she only got a fine. and here she goes and tells
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how unhappy she is, and in the interview, they didn't ask, listen critically. marina, don't you think that we're a little suspicious, what's up , ilya yashin in theirs is already a pensioner, he is sent to prison. and you only get a fine when other people in russia are sent to prison for some likes. and you, with such a grant, only what happens with fines, the presenter does not ask, she sympathizes with meriyan ovsyannikova and well, in her own the question feels condemned even by people who reproach marina for such a thing, let's listen to the speech from both sides, everyone is not satisfied with you, some say, yes, what did she do all these 8 years , and for 8 years, she was not incomprehensible. where did she express her position only then, but - and then they say, "she's the same again. why am i sitting, for example, and hey, only the fines? and you can see that they will tell you, please, in general, what do
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you feel about that ?" represent well i'm really stuck with what kind of psychological pressure the unfortunate woman is under. i also note that many of them are among the leading russian liberals in general, and they suddenly remembered their ukrainian origin and started about which they had forgotten before and started uh on every steps about him, by the way, also in this interview ms. ovsyanikova complained about the completely inadequate, from her point of view, reaction of ukrainians to her arrivals and said that in ukraine they did not understand her noble impulse, but she understands us because already we are all on emotions, we are all wrapped up in all this propaganda, they did not understand, but one day she thinks that she will be able to come to ukraine, to odesa , where her relatives remained. well, maybe in 90 years she can come there. well, there is also such an author on medusa as anton dolyan, who also used a great
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authority among ukrainians. he is a film critic. he is also a good film critic. he really wrote one of the most popular in russia, but he also suffered a lot after the full-scale invasion. he began to interfere in our internal affairs . was interested in, and in which he absolutely does not understand, he started with the help of two ukrainian authors, and hmm, to write certain columns about ukrainian cinema, the authors of these ukrainian films usually said that we absolutely do not care what he writes about us, and we do not really want jellyfish to write about our films, but well, if they want to write, let them write, well, there are also a lot of interviews with some dubious people on medusa, this is from the last interview with us , it's homicky, it's enough, it's also a world popular intellectual, i don't know, i'm a leftist, he's a scientist and now he is busy saying that
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he is not protesting, for example, against the definition that it was an unprovoked war, and he believes that this war, in particular, is about the damned west and nato and america, and he is talking about this now in every interview, in particular on medusa now we will talk in more detail about medusa, in particular with natalya steblina, who wrote materials on the media detector website, what is the name of whether medusa broadcasts narratives of russian propaganda, and in particular ms. natalya concludes that i am quoting to the liberal the audience of the publication reaches the same fakes and manipulations as the audience of the russian state media, except in a slightly less trashy presentation. well , now we will ask who is ms. natalya, do you hear
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me ? what does less stressful presentation mean and what kind of narratives are we talking about, uh, well, let's say this, i did a study of the russian jellyfish in july for three weeks and uh, i looked at whether there were pro-kremlin meetings or not, and in almost more than half of the publication these narratives one way or another were present, of course, they are less intense than if we were talking about ryan news or tas or other kremlin media, that is, they are really more light in such a light package. pro-kremlin narratives as versions, but the problem is that it also presents the ukrainian side as a version, that is, if it is, for example, a missile attack on vinnytsia , kremenchuk, or another peaceful ukrainian city, there
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will be two versions: i will be the ministry of defense and there will be a version of ukraine, that is, in fact, the material will contain such a fake balance, and readers are invited to draw a conclusion based on this. of course, we perfectly understand what the reaction of this reader will be , that is, he will come to the same conclusion that the kremlin propaganda does not want everything so unambiguously. both these and those violate and in general you have to be skeptical about this that is why this is such a main problem and maybe the second point is what you also said, jellyfish is like rain. they very often show the so-called dpr , lpr, and how do they legitimize them, that is, in fact they quote them on the same level as ukrainian sources and western sources, and for them it is also considered
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normal, that is, in fact, the coverage of the war in ukraine, the medusa edition, is just as distorted, but it distinguishes them from the kremlin media, that is exactly such a light light presentation i would say well, you are in their material, they presented examples of photos that they took from a series of news stories, and it says that the children are sitting, it seems, in mykolaiv. well , it’s not clear, is it mykolaiv or not mykolaiv? we understand that the russians can take a photo. anywhere and say that look at the shelling there that is happening there, i don’t know in some ukrainian city or, uh, you found a lot. well, such whitewashing and justifications of some dubious people there, from our point of view, it is possible, ah, russian people and or justifications of the military because i named the example of this interview with a russian paratrooper who is presented in such a way that no critical question is asked, who tells the truth what
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the russian military is. they are almost not such noble people. a large number of such manipulations, yes, the interview with kholmsky, too. of course, i read it. and we have to understand how russian propaganda works in general, that any media that has the audience they need is a resource for russian propaganda. because he has his audience of people who trust him, and thus if he broadcasts the kremlin narrative, it is very cool for the kremlin. similarly, we can name any other things there, including mass media in including rain and jellyfish and the same oat plant that you mentioned, she is also a heroine for jellyfish, that is, they present her in such a very heroic context. and this allows them to justify
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other journalists, for example, in the same mitosis, in july, a publication was published that said about russian regional journalists, and they all said that for them, ukrainnikova is a hero, but at the same time, all of them, well, their whole conversation boiled down to the fact that i am silent because i am afraid because i have a mortgage because of the fact that there some i have others others reasons, that is, in fact. in this way, turning to such an image as a fescue, they justify the silence of the russians in general. that is, we cannot do anything, we are not to blame, yes, we are against the war . connected with the military there, the goal was, well, a little different, they did an investigation into how people are generally hired in the wagner committee, and there the
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participants also said, yes, the occupiers did not talk about war crimes, and they justified it with the fact that they allegedly otherwise, nato would have been attacked by one more material, which i can mention is an interview with e.g. russian nationalists, and there active is also in my publication there, they also spread hate speech against ukraine and justified all the atrocities that are happening in ukraine, that is, like this like ms. natalya, in your e-e article in the study , you draw the following conclusion well, if i understand you correctly, yes, if you are correct, i agree with you absolutely that it is possible, it is not like that, there are some kremlin secretaries like they have in their heads it really fits. this desire to justify themselves and not understanding the situation at all. although they declare that they support ukraine, but in truth, no
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, they are no longer trying to somehow whitewash themselves , because i, for example, absolutely see it in almost every material, and i will even give an example . - and serhiy leshchenko was also in the rain, the host anna mangaid was there, who was very surprised when serhii leshchenko said that almost all ukrainians are happy when they see dead russian soldiers. it also gives us pleasure that this it's normal because they kill us with special brutality when it's as if the military kills them and when we see it we feel relief and joy because it's the enemies who die and the presenter sat in shock too oh my god you're not tolerant like that how is it possible that's all lakes appeared there, so i want to ask you about this conclusion of yours. why do such kremlin narratives from your point of view appear so clearly? well, let's talk about the jellyfish and whether it is, well, well, how does it characterize these
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liberal journalists of russia in general, if this it's really not some direct instructions from the kremlin, but they by good will - it's themselves. well, it seems to me that the problem at hand is that russian journalists do not fully understand the mission , the function of the purpose of journalism in society. at the department of journalism in the early 2000s. we also studied from russian textbooks , that is, we did not have ukrainian textbooks and we were given russian ones, and when i, for example, now remember what it was about, that is basically what they do russians in these liberal so-called media, it is clear, that is, in fact, how was their understanding of journalism born, soviet textbooks were taken from them, references to partisanship, karl marx, lenin were thrown out there and somehow reworked in a modern way, and therefore, of
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course, it is not surprising that they do not distinguish between those things which are obvious to us, for example, they do not distinguish between facts and versions, i.e. returning to what i already talked about. if there is a rocket attack on vinnytsia, then there is a fact of this and we present this fact, not two versions of what the russians said and what the ukrainians said. that is, it is obvious, but of course, if the basis of journalism is based on this soviet soviet method, i would say that we can understand how they work, that is, in fact, this is a complete misunderstanding of the fact that journalism should tell the truth, that is, they are very skeptical to such a concept as truth and believe that well, everything is relative. similarly, they broadcast the kremlin's official point of view without putting them in context, quoting britney medvedev there and presenting them as news or quoting britney pasichnyk and also submitting
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it as news, so the problem lies in such a complex misunderstanding of what journalism is , why it exists, what functions it should perform, although, of course, one cannot reject the fact that some actions are conscious in me the last question for you is literally two minutes , and you also describe how medusa talks about people and ukrainians who remained in the occupied territories, and so many of them in various interviews talk about the fact that kyiv is there us threw it to the point that we would like it to end faster. yes, russia has already won. and if you can, tell us more about this aspect, how the ukrainian residents who remained in the occupied territories are presented. well, let's say that for the mitosis for the rain as well as when
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novaya gazeta was still published, for them it was the war in ukraine. it was an opportunity to show people who are suffering , that is, for them, the main thing is to show the suffering of people, but they do not want to understand what really happened, why they are suffering and what led to the fact that they are suffering, this is the first such moment, maybe this is an effort, it is really somehow, how do you say to whitewash the russians that the russians are also suffering from the kremlin. let us just pity them, and the second aspect is that it is very strange, but the jellyfish when journalists jellyfish , when they interview our e-citizens who remained in the occupied territories, they hear what they want to hear or ask questions in such a way that they hear exactly the things about which you say that ukraine abandoned us, ukraine betrayed us, ukraine does not hear us and so on and so on. that is, it is also such an inability
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to understand the situation and look at it more broadly. again, whether they do it consciously or unconsciously, it is difficult to say, but when we look at such publications, in fact, it is really a broadcast of this narrative which was very actively used in 2013-2014 ukraine does not hear donbas, i.e. in fact, this is his rendition, but already in a new way, i thank you for the materials. by the way, you will also research something about the rain, the same for example. so i plan to research the rain but i think it will be sometime in september or so, until then they will make a lot of interesting materials. i am sure nataliya steblina was in direct contact with us, a researcher who wrote on the e-e website detector media material about the edition of medusa russian liberal more precisely, it is latvian
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publication, because they are registered there, but they don't write anything about latvians at all, they write in russian . that's why this is another such interesting story that the latvian journalists themselves, at least in part, are not very uh, well, to put it mildly, i like this one we have an option left with you for five more minutes, i want to tell you about such a story too, you know when we, uh, now we call, for example, our president calls on representatives of the european union there, they have a much wider audience there, do not let russians cancel their visas, because even er, to send them back to russia because they were finally bringing order there, on the one hand, for example, i personally very much support our president in this, but on the other hand, it turns out that we have a somewhat inconsistent position, because we let's say in response to why we give citizenship to these russians, why do we have so many russians in our modern field, why do we call them everywhere, why dmitriy bykov came to us, and
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the russian writer also said a lot here on the freedom tv channel, but he pointed to us and you know maybe you won't rename leo tolstoy square here. and that seems wrong to me , well, if uh, hmm, i don't think we'll ask the russians what to rename, especially when they come and impose their point of view on us eh, and it is also not very clear how we will explain our request for the canceling of russians and russian culture if we ourselves promote that russian culture eh . e ballet of the dnipro opera, the opera and ballet theater, now we will look at these announcements, they have been running since june. i see them on various polish sites
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. everywhere we go and say that you are giving up on tchaikovsky, yes, he may have been a good person, but russian culture kills and we are calling calling calling and taking it ourselves, we have already tried to contact mr. pinchuk twice, but he ignored us the first time and the second time picked up the phone, but did not want to give us an interview, said that it was not true, yes, but did not want to explain why it was not true, hung up the phone at all, as our guest editor said, and did not want to comment anything to us, strangely enough, also strangely, another the history of the lviv troupe well, even though it is a so-so lviv collective troupe, it is called lviv roy velet, that is, the lviv royal ballet, they
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already go to poland with that and tchaikovsky under er, christmas er, more than one year, years 8-9-10 already everything goes on, before it was a group of ukrainian dancers, now you can also watch it there, we have an excerpt from their performances, er, they included dancers from the mariinsky theater, the bolshoi theater , er, the lviv theater, er, there was the kyiv opera. they went there and now there are also announcements and for sale tickets already for december, for november, for tchaikovsky, too. but we also called one of the directors of this ballet from oleg petryk. he said that he could not speak now. but he was very excited because of our request for an interview. he also said that it's all untrue. we started to ask. well, it's not true . tickets are sold already for the end of the year in poland. it's
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not true, but oleg for some reason didn't want to comment on it all. although he stated that it's not all true information. well, to be honest, it's not true. is i would like to understand this situation further because it is quite strange and uh, i would like people to contact us if this is not true, if the ukrainians do not carry any tchaikovsky, then please explain it to us, and while we are waiting for an answer, i will say goodbye to you for our next issues, see further espresso e good luck, have a peaceful day, our ukrainian temporarily occupied hero cities of ukrainians under occupation are heroically resisting the enemy and waiting for the day of liberation, support your people, join the flash mob with the hashtag city of heroes, write about occupied cities in social networks and
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