for example, the most famous such a well-known case the most well-known such a death is pita fekhtar, he was 18 years old, he just wanted to go to the western part of berlin, he was shot at, and he just lay on the ground for 50 minutes and screamed for help, help, help, but they didn't help him because it was forbidden for the east german military to help, they took him away when he was already dead dead when he died and that's all and that's how the guy died for nothing and that's why the wall is very bad we fight against walls we don't want seas and i don't even want to think about the fact that there will be another division in the world, but for now we have

to think about the fact that putin is an aggressor, that he is on february 24 of this year, for sure ukraine, he must be stopped, this is not about the wall and this is not about peace between russians and i heard this from the ukrainians today and i was very annoyed, we said that to the priest, what are you talking about here? what are you talking about here and this is it the main task is to stop putin, how to stop him, who knows him, the politicians of the whole world are probably thinking about it, the politicians may be ms. oleksandra, it may be that the wall will be built, i don't

think that the ukrainians will want a wall, although i think someone will, but russia itself, putin himself, the leadership of russia will want them they are already building this wall, they are already doing everything to separate themselves from the civilized world and their behavior and war and economy and gas and everything in the world, that is, they will build a wall from that side, and oh, we europeans will not want it they don't like walls, and the russians will build them there, what to do mentally, it's already built instantly, that's the truth. that is, there are no ways , that is, planes don't fly. well, you can somehow get there by train, or by car. but it's very difficult now, before you could just sit down on a plane and in two hours you will be in kyiv, for example. and now it is very difficult. you are telling the truth. you are telling the truth. somehow, there is a wall somewhere there, something is already there and it already

exists, and it is thanks to this war, and it must be stopped . and how to stop it, how do we think about it, stop it? mrs. you can't alexander, because if we stop it, we will have a second, third, and fourth war. that's why there is only one way to win. and how can russia win, it's so big? germany is helping us, maybe we should help because they helped us more. yes, it's true, it's true, well, we're working, look, i'll come with you now to the ukrainian room, which ukrainian halls we have, it is not one, but many rooms, and there you will see that we work in such a way that you tell people the truth about what is happening in ukraine, we started with the maidan first the flag was still russian, there was an american one next to it, there was an american one, it was just in russian, and it was

soviet, at one time there were four zones, american , french, english, and the soviet zone. moreover, there are four flags on our house, and not for the sake of it. see this exhibition that we show to people on the maidan otse the maidan seems to have been like that and nadia savchenko is, because this is history. this is the maidan. we show, we explain to people what this war in the east is about, that is, what can be done from our side, we are doing, and now and here, and we started in 1995. here, see stus vasyl stus alla gorska, we are showing everything, showing and explaining to people what it is and here and here already and here we are today what

is happening today in ukraine and look what we show here thank you for covering this topic and that you are conveying the truth to the people of germany, oleksandr, i have one more question for you, as a human rights defender, look in germany. citizens. they do not allow them to speak ukrainian in germany, and they humiliate our citizens. please help, how to contact the police in practice or what to do in such cases, because unfortunately they are not alone in germany about such cases. i have not heard anything yet. i don't know this. just as a person, i

will try to ask politicians, i will try to ask even today, i will try to write to a few of them what is the matter, what is the matter, what is there, what is there, but the cases are unknown to me, and we show the truth here as well. in our museum we have 1,000 in us we have about 3.5 thousand visitors a day, this year the museum turns 60 years old in our museum and we show it to everyone, that is, everyone, the whole world and america, europe, all continents come and eastern europe and western europe and right here in our rooms in the ukrainian halls they see what is being done now in ukraine, what was once started stusa igorska so what is being done now and we show it every day and

try to explain it people understand it, they understand it and the huge oleksandra is oleksandra hilberg the director of the berlin wall museum turns 61 today. on this day in august, the construction of the berlin wall began. thank you, mrs. oleksandra. well, we can move on. we have an interactive session in september. will i be able to answer all the questions ? medvedev, they say that he was somewhere in the occupied part of donbas the other day. what do you think? look, this is the former prime minister and president of the russian federation. why

did he do it now? what kind of signal is this to the world or to ukrainians? directly, because now he is especially well, not at all, not in business, he heads some body there, now he understood to answer, my version is very simple, complicated, look, i have the impression that at the beginning of the war, some processes began on the mountain near putin, and these are processes that are designed to please putin, then somehow bright expressions, some, some, on the contrary, myrosmatic, well, from our point of view, an expression. well, everyone understood - everyone understood that in fact medvedev was nobody, but someone stepped up, this chess, this chess.

i have the impression that putin has decided that they have become too strong, someone is much stronger there, and then he calls medvedev and says medvedev, screw the blog to luhansk region, they started a large delegation of the prosecutor general, or there are some, well, in short, big cones of the minister of internal affairs, to show that he is now a favorite again, this is such a favorite, a favorite us, yes , that is, he lowered someone, raised someone, that is, when you are like, when you defend your chair, if it is such byzantium, byzantine, such an eastern approach, then you do not think about the country, about the war, about this, you see that how to make it so that the one who climbed out climbed back in , so now he has a favorite medvedev, he heads

the delegation, he is a big boss, everyone in russia sees it on tv, here again putin loves medvedev and who does he love or maybe he doesn't love shoigu well, why is it so simple in fact, he should become more popular. well, because he is the minister of defense, the war is going on, so he is automatically shown on tv more times, so let's push him back so that he does not become popular for me, the handsome putin. and you, we will turn to the mountain who is medvedev? by the way, he is less likely to do such an alcoholic and her between just everyone knows after you read what he writes but another or a drug addict or an alcoholic, such words are not not ponomaryev seems like a former member of the state duma talked about the fact that there were visits, no one knows

, we on i liked the candle, but this one, this one. i think it's my version that he felt that someone is gaining more power, we see, because the masses are interested. for example, if i am absolutely convinced that no one in russia knows who is the commander in the family of these troops or because you can't tell such a general so that he doesn't become a bug haven, well , we can't. that's why we know all these surnames here, i'm not convinced that anyone in russia knows about them because, well, i don't care. i'm the president or who is the president and why are they talking about him? that's why i think that at this moment he was also shown. what you see is that he is now a confidant, putin's confidant again, and all those who will say that he is a goat, do the goats themselves mean something? it seems to me that this

is putin's desire. arose in order to raise the bear again on such a high level, let's start with an important question. good evening, how can you comment on the wiretapping of mr. portnikov, if this is still the activity of representatives of our government, don't you think that if we want to go down this path of initial car theft, then we will definitely lose to our enemies which they have already honed for many tens of years, and the ability of the ukrainians has always pleased me. otherwise, there is no way there is something, some political party made some mistake, the whole end of ukraine, ukraine oh,

i remember this, i don't see anything like that, i don't rule it out, that is, my version was immediately uh, because vitalik is, well, a party to this conflict, if he didn't comment on it a i immediately said that it is quite possible that our sbu really is, but i think that it is also possible, since it is always started by someone who starts with the name of the deputy of the national security and defense council, tsivkovich, who fled to russia a long time ago. well, it is simply a game of some special services i do not rule out different andropovs. there are a large number of people there, or are they classmates when our colleagues are there, the journalists say, oh, there needs to be cleaned. well, they

don’t have it written on their foreheads that they are fsb agents. we don’t know how many fsb agents there are in the sbu. we simply wouldn’t even guess about it if we didn't find such a magical, magical, kind of ray, whatever, on the right from me, he has the fsb on his forehead, it would be easy , that's why i think it's always the special services, normal, good, intelligent, influential journalists are treated like the opportunity to get some information, he he is friends with those and those and those and so on. he lived in russia for a long time. someone wanted it here in lviv. it seems to me that there are new heads of the sbu. well, no, they did not become the heads the day before yesterday. who knows? well, suddenly vitalik will decide to call moscow. and we are already preparing for ourselves. a star called us from moscow

. and we have a star from his wonderful life . i don't. i don't think there are any russians on the territory of lviv who can get into someone else's apartment and put it there . they showed it as an agent at that time, they freely entered the apartments and listened to everyone, and by the way, in the film, it was applied to creative people, to employees of theater actors or the philharmonic, a man. they often went abroad to sing and show the culture of the german democratic republic, so i know there are such things that i i'm not surprised, i'm not surprised when a journalist is once found to be the norm,

mr. mykola, you know, i'll tell you. yes, there is a norm of civilization, but to say that ukraine has already completely renounced its soviet past and not even in the distant past and near us, until recently, there were friends of russia, there were members of the verkhovna rada, there was putin's godfather, the person who attacked ukraine, and this did not cause any surprise, so i say, you know, if west germany has been feeding east germany for decades, everyone knows that east germans call them axes and the whole and the autumn, the standard of living is worse in eastern germany there, well, all the remnants of the ussr can still be seen there, so why is it

impossible to see the remnants of the ussr in ukraine, it is quite possible, we understand that both the fsb and the sbu left the kgb and the kgb left from the nkvd nkvd well, in short, it’s clear. yes, it’s all clear. that’s why i don’t have any comments. i’ll believe in any option, but the most important thing is that it’s my own and not someone else’s, but it’s not, well, somehow no less shameful. to be honest, i wouldn’t want to i find myself and there are weak people in the world as well. there is no justice, but ukraine is a democratic state governed by the rule of law. therefore, we hope for an investigation. who will lead it? i am a little surprised that there is an inventory number of the sbu and ah, the investigation is being conducted by the sbu. this is a very beautiful story. when did the question start in ukraine ? we keep on the pulse

of course, because mr. vitaliy is our colleague. he is a well-known journalist and publicist. and in general, as a journalist, he has the right to protection and as a citizen of ukraine, what is the next question - muscovites, this quote is very written here. the movie brother brother 2 in ukraine, currency exchange kiosks were banned from foreign currency price tags. and instead of the terms rape and castration, they began to use the terms torture and humiliation, so the question is that the center of these ideas is one and the same is different god do you have a chance to answer i love questions about abstraction so much yes give me a chance give yes and in the frame a ticket yes yes give me a chance to

answer one or the other satisfy you the question the answer is one and all or for example the answer to the question is different everything to me i can be a free person is not a journalist, they don't know how to ask questions so that the answer is completely open i don't understand the person, there's something there, someone has something else in her mind and i asked something, i just don't see it i thought maybe you'll see in this uh, well, some scenes it people who say that there is a decision-making center there and that's all you are there, that's how it goes from there well, i'm not, practically . him zelensky eh how to say it agent in

agents by the way which yarmak does he have a brother no i think this means that yharmak and certainly and our eh our hmm well such a refined agent because judging by his behavior the ukrainian army is more or less moving in the right direction because of the agent of russia the fair is going in the right direction if ukraine recaptures kherson, it is thanks to the agent of the kremlin, the fair will be done or not, it is thanks to the armed forces of ukraine, our audience. and regarding this, we talked with refat chubarov, the heads of the crimean tatar people, what should be done with the russians who may remain there, we will come and return our crimea, what to do with him, there is an idea to exchange them for those who came across our deported people,

whom russia stole from the purchased territories and sent to russia, what do you think? i think that this is not a civilized way. i always understand from many there is such a crazy temptation for ukrainians to act like the russians. well, they are killing our people there with torture, let's go and we will torture, we will be with a psychologist, that's normal, they are recruiting for the exchange of our citizens, let's recruit theirs. well, then we will be like the russians, and i don't want to i would like to be like russians in many ways. i would like all ukrainian composers to be like tchaikovsky . i would like it, but in the end i would not like it. i would not like the ukrainian president to be a person like putin. i would not like it, so i believe that it is necessary to go in a civilized way, there is no way out, there is often a dead end. so when i am hopeless, when you are put in a situation with no way out, then, well, there is no way out. something must be

done, but i think that sooner or later i don't remember if i had it in some program very simple version, i liked it so much when we were talking about nuclear weapons, someone told the experts from the experts, they say, well, there was such a thing that oil was exchanged for food for food in iraq, there was such a story, then someone said, give us missiles for food , they are not enough for us in the world nuclear is given to the world weapons to the world and feeds one fantasy in nothing absolutely in a year or two if the sanctions remain it will be a reality it will be no they will not die of hunger they will be even richer than north korea but they will have a real problem they will have bread one type of sausage one type of cheese they will have the soviet union in the worst times and then you can

say how it was in the 90s, i remember it when we sent food to russia the entire west of the plane, otherwise it would have died and now they are shouting at this west that they murderers when they helped russia to survive simply with medicine with food with legs and so on and so on and so on, only they rose to their feet a little, they immediately said that the west was to blame for everything. therefore, i don’t know. it seems to me that such times will come. that the russians will run with any to ukrainian prisoners, just give them bread, take their people away. well, they will definitely. even if we offered, they wouldn’t want to . they will drag their own citizens, why do they need ordinary people, some who stayed there in crimea ? putin only needs witnesses, and for example , ah the downing of the malozian boeing is all that is needed. someone

can tell something disturbing in ukraine about the russians themselves, about putin. why did the orks destroy the volynites? is it a cover-up or revenge? if it is revenge, then what is the secret of the churchmen for? he started the war. and why does he kill people because you are ukrainian, and it is not about nationality according to the passport, and in my opinion it is not a question of blood, but of land, everyone who lives on this land is ukrainian

, russians and poles, jews, romanians, moldovans, hungarians any belarusians, they are all ukrainians for the russians and they are subject to destruction, do you have any idea about the question, are there comments well, let them comment. where am i? no , what kind of patriot am i? things, here we are. there are three russian spies and we are trying to somehow do something bad with ukraine. to finally sell it to russia is simply our dream. well, some viewers are not faster, they are not our viewers. i think that ukraine

has been spitting on its population since 1991. they have lost 55% there are 52 million people and the lord is with you for 40 million. where is there 52% yes, no, no, no, this is you. this is me. this is how sensitive the russians are. such sensitivity is worried about whom we are losing. you have even less . whom to fight with? rejoice, hello. why are you so sensitive? they are worried about our people, as they have already cried for the president. correctly and there is no sanction and excellent education and you have a beautiful culture, everything is great,

we just don’t know how to work, but yes, that’s it, but there is a lot of oil, it’s also beautiful, do we need to ban russians from visiting europe, well, i mean, it’s the baron who issues visas . there are people who deserve it, it's not necessarily politicians. yes, for example, when the estonians started to say, we will now ban visas, i remembered artemy troitsky, a great critic of russian rock and roll, who wrote in english the first books about underground culture, about musical culture still soviet, but in soviet culture different uh, different ensembles were created underground, different uh, different singers, the same tsoi, and so on.

all this he opened his eyes to all this in the west and he has been living since 14 he lives in estonia as soon as the war started, he migrated there, i still have him there, what kind of documentarians will there be, and vitaly of mansk is my good friend, and he is also in the 14th year. immediately, he was on the shore, only it started he went to latvia citizenship or they got local citizenship or learned the language and so on. that is, there are a certain number of people who i feel sorry for. i have an orlusha whom i adore, who lives in georgia, a famous poet who constantly criticizes the russian government. so, i also feel sorry for him that he is like that, but on the other hand yesterday, i listened to shenderovych, who spoke to me and we

drank beer and vodka with him, and i was so surprised by his reaction and what he was against. he started shouting that it will not do anything, and i am sitting and thinking, let's give it a go if we if sanctions are not given depriving of visas doesn't work. why leave russia alone? right, our refugees are being humiliated there . let everything be normal. let them rest. they are suffering a lot. yes, let this one go to italy and lie on the beach. that they won't let us in. we can't, but if you find a way to separate the decent russians who really make up the actively decent ones, not those who sit and don't go

to vote, then say i'm never for putin you didn’t vote for anyone at all, you didn’t vote precisely because you didn’t go to the elections and your neighbors and friends. you always won. putin because if 90% had come and called against putin, then he wouldn’t be, well, it would be 100 times more difficult for putin to stay in power, therefore, if you actively express your position, at least verbally fight against putin and his power, and if you find a way to brand it. we need someone, somewhere , that we know this person. yes, but the diplomats in estonia, america, england, europe everywhere should know, well, relatively speaking, navalny doesn't raise questions, that's how he fought putin. well, he raises questions