other military and our special services there to record what is happening there. well, as much as possible and as accurately as possible to have information about what is happening there on the situation itself, because the risks in the history of mankind, and even without the military on civilian sites, there have already been tragedies and we already know them very well, this is the 79th year, this is the trimline, this is the nuclear power plant in the united states, this is the 1986 disaster at the chernobyl nuclear power plant, this is the 2011 disaster in focus, so even without the military, there were a set without heavy equipment, even in the peaceful use of nuclear energy in its civilian plan. yes, there have already been enough tragic events before that, and then

the whole world will wonder . look, the world will not allow the russians to repeat some of these disasters on an atomic mobile thank you hryhoriy plachkov former head of the state inspection of nuclear regulation we talked with him about what is happening around the zaporizhzhia npp and now let's move on to our next interlocutor, serhii grabskyi, a military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions in kosovo and iraq, let's talk about what happened last week. by the way, let's start with the consequences of what happened around the crimea, about our successes and if these are our successes, that's also a question. we don't recognize that, the russians recognize only the west ceremoniously from the official ukrainian authorities, but such people about smoking as it changes the course of the war, this is

bombing, shelling, shelling or sabotage, it doesn’t matter. well, you know the airfield with pods. he told me how military it is, well, it’s not that it didn’t comfort me a lot, but i approach it from an absolutely telepathic point of view, and that’s what 80 or even 85% of the tasks of combat fire damage are carried out by artillery rockets by troops, and only uh, uh, five, maybe 6, uh, belongs to aviation, so let's say that we destroyed 10-20 planes. oh, i'm sorry, we didn't destroy, not until we destroyed 10-20 planes, that's good, but for the course of hostilities based on the tradition of the russian army, this will not change the situation much they may reduce the number of flights, as you

know, in the last four months, we have not observed any serious strikes against our civilian towns and villages. and on the front line, the enemy is trying to launch rocket strikes or drop bombs so as not to enter the zone of damage of our forces and air defense means but but there is a big but this is a colossal blow. in my opinion, according to the political and economic component of the kremlin regime, the politically praised fsb did not cope with conditional saboteurs and did not prevent such an unfortunate accident. and why is the air defense not in crimea? and this is a different situation, and the minutes of the air defense, which are spread all over the world, did not cope with this task. and this already has a little different consequences, namely the consequences of the future sale of air defense systems of defense to consumers and this is already a financial

loss, directly the internal situation, you know, i was most pleased with this situation, the queues that formed to leave the crimea, you know how we had it, the first day of the large-scale invasion from kyiv, it's wonderful you know it this is very good because the panic contagion, er, in the case of russia, it is very serious. and you know, together with the cotton that is standing in belgorod, from the cotton that is happening in kursk. yes, it is not a quick event, but it is already creating such a precedent. firecracker, but with the rest of the code, i didn’t understand the other thing, what are people thinking who go to crimea to rest at such a moment when military operations are taking place nearby, but i understand the people who live there in kyiv. or do they live there in kharkiv and suddenly the enemy attacks them? they try to leave the city at the time of the intensification of hostilities, but when a person voluntarily goes to rest

on the crimean coast, well, he went to sochi on his own. i don’t know. gelendzhik goes to the palace . he joins the armed forces of ukraine. что well, it's a war, something happened by accident, and you're resting there. where did you go to sign up, mr. vitaly, you know. you worked in russia for a long time, i studied in russia for a long time, and you should treat me that they have such a specific mentality. they think that nothing will happen to them for sure."

the fact that practically on the same day, and no one hid it, there were strikes on henichesk and novooleksiivka, and believe me, this made me much more happy as a military man, because i realized with pride that we are now blocking, or as they say, in transcarpathia we are chopping crimea in general. that is, we can now strike both in, say, the kherson direction and in the melitopol direction, which can have a very serious effect on the future course of actions, see mr. serhiy a why was this advice more there, the range is meant or what? well, first of all, you know, crimea is

good. crimea is such an example, but the destruction of objects on two such narrow isthmuses of the exit from crimea , they actually know. well, now we are all from you are experts on the antonov bridge and the new kahovsky bridge, we know that these actions are approximately the same situation there, only on a larger scale, and this scale will transform the actual crimea in the near future, and especially if we succeed in advancing in the kherson direction, it will transform crimea from the support base for russian aggression in the northern black sea region to the island of crimea, which will become such a dead end, you know, in which large forces and means will simply be concentrated, which will be simply impossible to use, they will get stuck there and all attempts to withdraw, you know, you can accumulate hundreds and thousands of tanks, a unit of weapons and military equipment, but if you can't take them out and maneuver them, and we, well, you can only

look at them and be happy that you have them, that's exactly it, and in this way crimea will simply be the same as it was actually, for the germans in the 41st year, when they came from that side, they did not meet any resistance , it was always very difficult to advance from the crimea, and in a thousand years of military history, there was only one more or less successful attempt to attack from the crimea - it was baron wrangel and if you look, just take the map, you will be surprised to see that in 1920 he advanced to exactly the same positions to which the occupiers advanced today. we can act even more effectively because we have room for maneuver, you know us as officers, as ukrainians, we always wish we had more weapons, we would like more weapons, we would show them because today we are already extremely limited we are inflicting such

damage with our forces and means that the enemy no longer seems to be considering the issues of conducting offensive actions on the kherson bridgehead . by the messages of vitaliy yakym a-a and what would happen if we had enough forces and means er-e and i, in principle, i hope that in the future we will have such forces, gold and means that will allow us to actually selectively and meticulously destroy targets in crimea in order to it is extremely important for us, and you know, i am not so concerned about the airfield. the airfield only bothered me from such a utilitarian point of view that a cigarette butt could fall somewhere in a new fedorovka. for me, it is more important that such cigarette butts in the future go somewhere a to the inkermans in balaklava. for us, for each of us, this is extremely important, given that from this direction is the provision of cruise missile carriers that launch

these cruise missiles across ukraine, and it is more important for you, please tell me how you currently view the situation in donbas, the russian team says that they are already drunk. this is not the first time they have said this, but even if you imagine that they are telling the truth, how much has already passed since serhiy shaygub reported to president putin that they occupied the entire luhansk region somewhere in the city one and a half is absolutely correct and they just announced that they will start there a little bit . they will occupy the daughter's country, somehow they don't occupy it very well. well, you know, you are absolutely right, and for me, well, from a military point of view. and you know, an operational level officer has two instruments, a stopwatch and the calculator as well as the stopwatch and the calculator show that they do not cope with this task even more. talking with our and my friends they say that objectively objectively the intensity of infantry attacks is decreasing, that is, they are no longer

so desperate and massed as they were from some kind , that is, they still want it or not. as the war criminal bitterly said, they are honing their strength and means, eh, it has also decreased. unfortunately , it is not so obvious yet that the intensity of shelling has decreased. well, i understand for a person who is sitting in the trench i know this feeling. i don't care if i have an electrician five or six minus or shells, but even five minus outfits says a lot for the operator, namely that the enemy cannot constantly secure the intensity of hostilities you know the third effect. one thing is that luhansk is a sin to hide - it is, after all, an open area with forests. in other words, there are not so many settlements there, and when they approached the urban agglomeration from severodonetsk-lysychansk, they actually stopped in it for two months, and here we are actually talking about a single big city or well, that's what i would call an urbanized location, which is very difficult to take, they

can do it for a very, very long time by hitting the sand, and we saw the situation that actually existed in popasna and novoshkivsk. they know how it is to do, but it costs such costs for them. what does it cost? well, in the growing tasks, the tasks that create street fights in such cities, they have less to understand what street fights are about - this is one of the most difficult types of e-e fights, regardless of which side it is for and we bear losses and they bear losses but that is what operational art is all about and always er in every military academy every trainee was taught not to try to get into street fights these are the most unfavorable conditions try to bypass them so here the situation has developed in such a way that they cannot to avoid them, and the question arises as to how long they will be able to provide themselves with the

possibility of conducting such activities, i spoke with people who live in the occupied territory, so now you already know if there used to be neighbors knocking on neighbors there saying that one or the other is hiding in the house, now they are just raking out all of them with such a dense comb, what is being done in the occupied territories and all of them in a row are simply going to the front lines as cannon fodder, you know from a military point of view, this impromptu is not an effective use of resources. but uh, this is the same and shows the desperation with which the enemy tries in any way to support the high level of intensity of hostilities, and how much it will be enough for him is very difficult to say, and they have weakened this intensity of shelling as you said, maybe because they regrouped their troops to the south or not, you don't want that, including well, you have to understand that, after all, the russian federation is a big enough country - they uh, despite the fact that they regrouped the troops. they are strengthening them with

additional continents, that's why i say that it has relatively decreased, but objectively, the intensity of shelling has decreased. not much, but it has decreased. well, in the near future. in the future, it will be even less and slower because we are receiving western weapons and we were promised even more weapons in the fall, or should there still be some factors for them to slow down, and in fact, in fact, and we see the situation in avdiivka when the enemy put so much pressure on avdiivka and even advanced there, but after we delivered additional forces and means there, he was forced to abandon frontal attacks and is now trying to advance to e-e and completely saddle the m-20 route daily kostiantynivka which can also be a

big enough difficulty for us. i'm not saying that everything is so good there. and we're staying there. they can't say any kind of messages because the situation is extremely difficult. as for the sands, well, i i can make an analogy with the novatoshkovskiy themselves, which they simply froze from the face of the earth and turned into a lunar landscape, they can do it, and i have no doubts, but what will it give them, er, so er, they cannot abandon such tactics, but they cannot realize it, but it is possible to realize it, or they have no choice, they go from one point to another and, er, do the same algorithm of actions , that is, they destroy, destroy, and destroy, and this is how it progresses. and you know, there is also such a concept as the barrel resource, and i understand that they have a lot of artillery but one and a half thousand shots per barrel and that's it, and the artillery has to be changed. and this is already a very serious logistical challenge, that is, this weapon must be raised somewhere in warehouses, it must be brought to a combat

condition, it must be transferred to the combat zone, and so on and so on. that's it. and that's all money, money, and money again. may there be a lot of it, but not an unlimited amount. thank you, mr. serhiy, for joining our live broadcasting. let's move on to the next topic of the international e and we will discuss is such a revenge of pro-russian forces possible on the international arena and with us in connection with volodymyr hrysko diplomat minister of foreign affairs 2007-2009 extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador congratulations well let's start with an event that is here also never in my life never existed in history, you never existed at all, we live with you at all, in general, in such a wonderful time for journalists, every day something that has never been known before is happening, so is the search in the house of the former president of the united states, donald

trump, who conducted the federal, as a rule , the federal bureau of investigation, the first in history to search the residence of the former president of the united states. what is this, mr. volodymyr? there is no stable in our life and everything changes, that's why i think that some elements that are inherent in a not very democratic society, they are, meanwhile, sometimes used in a democratic one, so what there is such a diffusion, mutual penetration, how it will end is difficult to say, but i think that the reputation of er-er p trump will be well-oiled, because if it is really about secret documents or what they call classified, then er, it means that er-er,

such things are just like that er, well, the democratic party will definitely not leave and will not use it throughout the entire company er until november. and not to mention if he goes to the presidential elections. no, by the way, this is what trump himself accused hillary clinton of being careless about to secret documents well, then it was only about some files in her uh computers, and here it is just physically to remove from the administration the documents on which top secret is written. there is nothing extraordinary, but this is a clear exaggeration of everything that can be imagined. well, in principle, when we talk about the prospects of such politicians , donald trump, this is the future, this is what is happening , too, almost on the day of the fall of another government

that wanted to actively help ukraine and helped by the way, we recently learned about the secret supply of weapons from bulgaria despite the opposition of the actually pro-russian president of this country, romain, and here is this government, the government of kirill petkov . that agreements with gazprom are needed and to block all alternative gas supply projects to bulgaria that were already agreed upon by the previous government and the united states and with greece, and it's that simple it's happening right before my eyes, congratulations, i think you understand very well that the russian federation has made a lot of cans in the last 20, that is, 30 years and planted them in all the political forces in europe and libya and right-wing and radical

and non-radical, this is what the russian diplomacy in quotation marks and in fact the special services have been doing for the last decades, and i don't see any emergencies here, because right now, at this critical moment, i was drinking when these canned goods climb to the surface and start working is the situation in italy different from this situation in bulgaria? absolutely not. haven’t we seen that in many countries former top officials are going to serve at gazprom or russia? haven’t we seen that former top diplomats and i remember all the time, she was not a badass, the austrian minister of cultural affairs, who simply

invited putin to her wedding without knowing it for some reason. that is, these are all things that, unfortunately, take place, but on the other hand, it is good because finally we are all now we can observe where these are canned goods work the most, who, who, are they, where do they manifest themselves, and can we take certain, uh, steps so that, well, at least, this does not happen in the future, does he mean whether bulgaria can independently oppose the common position of the eu, i think not, because uh brussels has a very, very effective tool of influence, it's money, so i think that this transitional government will do something, think about it, and announce it, but in the end, i think that the general line of the eu is not aimed at , vladimir, returning to the united states

of america in the midterm elections in november now they draw such a trend that the republicans can still get a majority. what factors contribute to this? why are they now becoming, well, they prevail again in democracy, you know, i am really ungrateful to have received such conclusions from uh, everything can change in a week or two before the election results, and then we will be able to analyze mine. and tell me, er, speaking of what we are observing precisely from the point of view of the european further reaction to russia, this week estonia became another country that decided that it is not will issue schengen visas to russians, however, in russia itself, many even from positions say that this is exactly what putin wants, so that russians are closed in russia, that they have

no contact with the outside world and that they thus remain, so to speak, the property of the regime how correct it is not to let russia in now, when putin himself would prefer not to let them in. lukashenko doesn't let belarus in, after all, they are in a vacuum, so, so, what's better. well, let's be realistic, eh, russian statistics says that 80% of the inhabitants of the kemerovo region outside the lviv region have never left the european union, what are we talking about? ends, we are now talking about a relatively small number of russians who can afford well, they could afford to fly to turkey or egypt for a week to explain

so and about an even smaller number of russians who could afford to go to the same week or 10 days in european countries is actually a tiny amount about which it is not necessary to talk about the industry that the so-called russian liberal opposition has made in this regard, but it only says that they really do not understand their function because they are actually now becoming on the position of the defenders of putin's regime, i recently saw an interesting interview of one of the russians. well, let's say yes, liberals, but they are really real liberals. well, he asked a very simple question . tell me, please. and what is this so-called opposition did it in order to bring down putin's regime and the answer was very simple, she left abroad and began to integrate into the life of

european countries and that's why i think that they have no right to talk about it and i think that in fact the vast majority of russians in principle er, they don't understand what europe is and don't want to understand it even after that, if someone there er, spends that week, well, by the way, the former soviet political prisoner oleksandr on the ladder wrote an open letter about this when volodymyr zelensky called for the issuance of schengen visas to russians, wrote an open letter to president zelensky in which he first expresses his great admiration for the president of ukraine and then says that volodymyr oleksandrovych's war with ukraine is not a war of the russian people with the ukrainian people, it is not a war, it is a war of authoritarianism with democracy the conflict of civilizations should not be reduced to the level of a primitive international confrontation, this is the position, listen to mr. vitaliy well,

this is exactly the inside of this russian of pseudohydrolism, it’s putin himself killing people, it’s putin himself slaying women of ukrainian syputin himself, destroying ukrainian cities to the ground, the truth. that is , it’s not this, it’s not the russians, it’s the russians who flew in and adopted these ideas. expanded truth is not enough here, that it’s russia with america is at war, not with ukraine, i will not write such a thing for now, i hope so you know. this is simply once again evidence that in fact there is no liberal opposition in russia, as there was no such thing, and if we look at what medusa says the same thing rain and everything else, we will see that these are in fact the same pro-kremlin narratives, only in what form and no more. i would like to ask you

about the recognition of russia as a state of terrorism, what will this give us, because the sejm of latvia recognized this week russia is a state sponsor of terrorism , but in addition to such an outrageous and shameful brand , it is possible that what other avenues does this give for the european union to condemn russia, if they are, you know, international lawyers are currently debating whether it is more important to recognize russia as a country a sponsor of terrorism or a country that committed an act of its anna aggression and this is one of the most serious international crimes you know i think it is important to go and another if the united states of america recognizes russia as a state sponsor of terrorism this will mean that she will lose

the final, irrevocable international image of these countries. now there are four of them. everyone is talking about getting on a level with syria or iran or cuba. well, this is all a diplomatic fiasco, and that is why moscow's reaction is so angry. what did they say this will be the last red line, we will break the didactic relations, well, make it worse for god's sake. but if you are talking about practical results, well , they are unlikely to be any different from all those sanctions that have already taken place, except that there is one point that they pay attention to an international lawyer and he says that this status requires all countries to completely stop their relations with a country that sponsors terrorism. well, let's imagine that this will happen tomorrow. and then how about the european

u.s. partners in nato, what will they do , because even today they are forced to buy russian gas, forced to buy certain russian products and so on, that is, there is unfortunately such a practical thing, so i think that this process will take a little longer , although i'll tell you frankly. hmm, it doesn't matter at all for russia now. it has turned into a country of visas, so to speak. what it is they will break diplomatic relations with them. yes, yes, today there was also a statement by the russian foreign ministry on this matter. well, you know, sir. i think that in russia there are simply no other arguments than blackmail and the forging charge to say that if they break economic relations, then first of all, america will lose because of this. well, to be

honest, i don't think what i think. and the americans themselves are not very afraid of such emergencies. anyway, one way or another, the red phone will remain under any circumstances. thank you, mr. volodymyr volodymyro hrytsko, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine was with us directly . thank you for participating in our broadcast. mr. vitaly's question, we have very interesting topics for discussion in the next hour, so stay in our ukrainian temporarily occupied cities of the heroes of ukrainians in the occupation heroically resisting the enemy and waiting for