putin can feel much freer than lukashenko. he knows that he is a mirror of the mood of most of his compatriots. lukashenka knows that it is not a mirror that he can provide the country as a bridgehead because he disposes of this country as property, he can allow the russians to shell ukraine, but he absolutely does not know what will happen if it starts real combat operations with the participation of the belarusian army, not even because it will not carry out the order , most likely it will, but people will die , the truth is that the belarusians may have a different reaction to the graves that will leave ukraine, they will ask this lukashenka and what for what why we didn't want this well, this is the problem and that's why lukashenka is putting it off as long as he can, so drag it out, he's addicted, anyway, well, is it just that the mood is so good ? it's not hard, it's hard to predict , war is not an unforeseeable phenomenon,

society's reaction to war is also an unforeseeable phenomenon, will the russians now help lukashenko fight his own people? preservation of his own power, but he perfectly understands that if he goes too far, he will lose this power, this is the proportion he tries to adhere to, like an experienced autocrat, for the preparation of this special forces of belarus for military operations in ukraine, which is evidence of this, is it just scaremongering for us or in reality, some units can participate, did you hear that the representatives of our general staff said that 13 thousand belarusians have already been recruited, and the war in ukraine will remain, well, first of all, it is the belarusians themselves, that's right, because it we are not talking about the belarusian army, these are people who will be forced to resign from the belarusian army if they fight on the side of russia, but the belarusian army, and in general with conscript soldiers, 46,000

contract servicemen, 12,000 and 14 officers, of which there are also six thousand, i do not understand how many people could not be knocked out 13 arithmetically does not work out, i was just talking literally before our broadcast with a colleague from the belsat tv channel, who asked me all these questions, he asked me why your general staff says about 13 pressures, but this is from the army. that's such a number and there is no information. people found out if someone was beaten. well, all these opposition prices, telegram channels, these are belarusian gangs. there is no report about the facts of such recruitment. therefore, it is possible that our intelligence knows more than we do. maybe someone is trying to create a special disinformation from belarus to scare us. and maybe another thing is that we are playing such an information game so that lukashenko doesn't do anything, we already say you want to attack us, you are recruiting mercenaries and that's it

stops lukashenka from some children, there may be a lot of games here, but statistically you can see that it doesn't stick, well, no way, that is, of course, in such situations, you can earn 3-5, but you can, well, how many former soldiers should there be, then this is something so unreal unreal yes but i admit that you and i are now witnesses of a certain i would say difficult intelligence game around this information with the aim of restraining the future actions of belarusian products, well, it's really cool if ours is conducting such an operation in order to to discredit something lukashenko, in fact, let's finish it with the mouth of belarus. i think hmm , there are still many questions that have not been revealed, but in the next broadcasts, we will be, and she will forever be our neighbor, let's talk about the pseudo-referendum in the occupied territories, which the russian federation is supposedly already

preparing mentioned this topic, and in fact we see that russia did not even succeed in gathering electoral bodies there in order to form and recruit people because, er, people do not want to go there electronically. this was an absolutely unsuccessful idea 11 september no longer sounds like the date of the show of will that russia planned, you can add anything you want to it, it is being moved due to the fact that russia is unable to prepare . now i would say first in the 90s, when the transnistrian moldavian republic appeared, then the so-called and then abkhazia from southern city. i know one simple thing: the russian federation is a federal state, this federal state is not

provides for the withdrawal of parts of the territory from it, unlike the soviet union, in this case there was the problem of the chechen war, along with this, this federal state provides for the possibility of other states joining it. as subjects of the federation, it was distorted with crimea, why did crimea declare its independence in general to the referendum on joining russia, because russia cannot join itself according to the current legislation, which is unchanged. and these are changes to the constitution that should take place at several sessions of the state duma. why did they announce their the museum because the autonomous republic of crimea cannot be annexed to the russian federation because all this annexation as it happens state duma council of the federation the examination of the constitutional court the decree of the president of russia on the constitution changes in the constitution adopted by the federal federal assembly of russia on the basis of the examination of the constitutional court such as donetsk and luhansk region can be

announced there that you are talking about the european referendum that ended there with 99 percent, who knows how they said in the soviet union for comrade stalin and 103% voted so and they become donetsk e-e luhansk oblasts of the russian federation and what about kherson zaporizhzhia why for me this is the number one question why the heads of the occupation e-e administration institute of these regions all the time says that they do not want to declare themselves people's republics but simply want to join to russia well, i assume that they will announce that they held a referendum in the kherson region, it doesn't matter how when you are trying to understand electronic voting there, they will also put one ballot box in one the school will bring desks and ntv and mass and mass and that's already 95% for you. throughout the kherson region, people say that they want to join the people of the russian federation angelina pavlenko tell me,

what country do you want to live in? yes, we here in kherson have always dreamed of putin, well, we are real. we know how it is filmed, you know, but that is not the question the question is that these results must then be brought to russia. according to the russian constitution, the kherson region of ukraine cannot be annexed to russia, for this it must first be changed the legislation of russia is unchanged, which means that i believe that everything in this story with the referendums in kherson oblast and in zaporizhia oblast is an element of blackmail, and what they want to achieve is that they held referendums, they want you to recognize the crimea of ​​donetsk luhansk oblast, and here recognize crimea as ours, and here recognize kherson and zaporizhia oblasts with a special status, otherwise we will vote them as republics and join it, this may be a salami tactic. yesterday we wanted

you to recognize the special status of the dpr of the lpr and the russian status of crimea. and now we want both crimea and the dpr of the lpr. the special status of the minsk agreement is already kherson zaporizhzhia region recognize pi- and we move on to the topic, there may be such an element because again, i repeat, from a legal point of view, it is practically impossible to recognize these regions as part of russia until the moment they will not vote for independence they will not declare it they should at least at least start talking about the people's republic of kherson and zaporizhzhia they do not do that republic and its capital in melitopol. when it is close to zaporizhzhia, but kherson region, they control almost all of it with the regional center, it is an opportunity to gather there, gather there assets near the side of the bag, if you bring it from somewhere and announce it, what is the kherson people's republic, which all its life dreamed

of a union with russia, to sign with but they don't do it, and then this republic holds a referendum on vitaly a. does the fact that they don't hold these pseudo-referendums have anything to do with the mood of the residents directly of these regions, because we know that in the donetsk luhansk region, no matter what we want, there is a certain percentage of people who were ready to live in the russian federation under their flag at least or to have some kind of conditional autonomy, it was such a percentage, and maybe in these regions there are simply no such people at all i don't think that they think about people, people are such a bunch of people who don't like it, you can expel them and intimidate them, if the bolsheviks thought about people, there would be no soviet union. as you know, in the elections to the constituent assembly of the russian state, the bolsheviks did not received by the majority, well, another one of the murtyzan movement, i don't really remember that it was the partisans there in donetsk region, in luhansk region, they blew up collaborators

' cars, and so he was so active. the betrayal of the local elite, you will remember that the policemen went over to the side of the occupiers, the employees of the local security agencies of ukraine went over, a large part of them went over, the mayors of many cities went over, the regional elite went over well, this process contributed precisely because it was not a militarized occupation, because by the time our army and volunteer battalions got there, a large part of these territories were not just occupied, they were absolutely handed over to the local pseudo-elite, and there is no significance what did people think at the same time, because some part of the people could support it, some laughed . it was not a war that took place on their territory, but

on the contrary, there was an idea that they were being protected from war and from these nationalist tendencies, do you remember how it was in the crimea, they told these fables, but the war came to kherson, it is a completely different war, it is a war against a foreign army in the donetsk luhansk oblasts, they are still trying to pretend that there is an army there, the russian language is not there, the corps of the dpr, the lpr, the recruitment of the local population has begun there, i assure you that if the russians captured the donetsk and luhansk regions as they captured the kherson region with shelling, introduced heavy equipment with rocket shelling of the entire territory of ukraine, and many people had different attitudes than it was then but it's real at the time that we saw a real special operation, then the housing wanted to be special, it just didn't work out and this special operation in a certain part of the country ended in success when we talk about the fact that the people there did not have

pro-ukrainian sentiments, we have a memory with you remember that two-thirds of the territory visited by russia were liberated in 14th year and the people in these cities were slavic in kramatorsk, they lived as ordinary ukrainian citizens without even a hint of any pro-russian tendencies, although there the forces with the known russian attitudes won, but the people themselves considered themselves a part of ukraine. now you know angelika. when i see at the lviv railway station for the first time the week of the war, people from sloviansk who left there because they were leaving their native places before the second time, let's say mariupol, by the way, they were there too. first, it was occupied by us, the saboteurs, then the liberation of the ukrainian army, then i can only imagine the depth , these are tragedies, this must also be realized, but in any case, i think that the russians, even when with low support for the idea of ​​joining, we could

experiment with the people's republics , you need to join, you can create a people's republic, give power to the collaborators, let them establish order there with the help of the russian military, not for 5 years and then we will join them , this can be the same process. by the way, 8 years have passed since at the time of the occupation of donetsk region of luhansk region , the question of annexation has just now come up, the truth is that this is also because they did not want to annex them immediately, because they did not consider them to be such, i would say, easy prey considered crimea, but now it is also probably just blackmail, because these are completely destroyed regions and it will be such a burden for the russian federation, sir, or not. it seems to me that half of the regions are simply destroyed, otherwise there is no provision for a military path. of course, well, think if in russia there are only 8 or 9 donor regions, so what difference will there be to the regions that will live on subsidies, have you seen in the donetsk public the conversation about the fact that in donetsk there is simply complete destruction

, they want to restore the people of mariupol well, that’s it the truth is that they bring everything they see to such a state that it is destroyed, and the city, let's say sukhumi or gagra, the great model resorts of the soviet union, they turned into a pale timi of their past, while batumi, which even at that time we soviets never knew what this city was some city on the coast of the black sea, which source is always in the price of these big, famous resorts of abkhazia, and suddenly it became a resort to which everyone oh, now i visited batumi, and there means that everyone from turkey goes to batumi and all these russian liberals go to batumi it's just almost nice. well, you can if you want. and what was supposed to be nice was occupied by the russians and turned into a mess, and so on.

another aspect that concerns the occupied areas of the donetsk luhansk oblasts, which i wanted to discuss with you, mr. vitaly, is a certain court over the azov people. that they threatened that azov residents would be sentenced to death in this way. however, if you look at practice, even such sentences did not acquire a real character and there were no executions during the 8 years of the invasion of the russian federation, aggression on our of the territory by the court verdict is meant what is the moratorium on the execution of the death penalty canceled in the so-called people's republics, do you still think it is real now, that is, i believe that they would not do it if they were not preparing for something, in any case, this an element of blackmail , because if there was a moratorium, i absolutely agreed with you, it is interesting, of course, you can make any sentences, but it does not work, it can

work. inclusive e-e citizens who fought on the side of ukraine in this war and now another trial will take place on the territory of the so-called dnr and there, too, people face the death penalty, the moratorium on which was canceled and even russian human rights defenders have now turned to vladimir putin with a demand to renew the moratorium on the convention of the death penalty in these territories practically controlled by russia but i think that later it will not be this year regarding the azovians themselves, well, again, i would like us to live in the real world azovians are just real heroes who kept the russian army near mariupol for several months, even for a week a month, this is just the battle of fermopils, i have to say such a great event in military history and in ukrainian history, but it is absolutely obvious that the choice faced by the people of azov these last days is a choice

of surrender or complete the death of everyone, there is a chance that someone can be saved, even if he is not there, 105 people have already been saved, this is a big, big number, and even against the background of those numbers, we know about palanok, from the first day i did not believe in any guarantees from the russians they gave the red cross and the organization objects because you do not despise all international risks, they are terrorists in general, it's the same as how some hamas or islamic jihad will give guarantees regarding israeli soldiers and prisoners or captured prisoners and then hope that they will release them no, in order for them to release them, the head of egyptian intelligence should go to the gas sector and say yes, guys, either you release them, the egyptian one, or you know what will happen to your relatives there who live near cairo or near e-e aswat

well, just ugh, we won’t even tell you, but the problem is that the red cross is not egypt, you understand. the people who work for the red cross don’t speak that language, they don’t speak the language of civilized diplomacy, and it makes the situation a little worse . if someone could talk to the russians like they talk to terrorists, say that you will kill , you may not count your relatives who live there in monte carlo, it is interesting. by the way, your opinion is the position of the red cross, it is determined by the functional, we do not know the obligations by the statute somehow what they have is it still possible for them to have a pro-russian position there? i think that the functional should always be such an organization from therefore it is an organization that can act on different sides of the front tried to act on different sides of the front even during the second world war it was recognized by the nazis, they allowed he went to certain camps, well, not all of them, of course, you understand, there

were many camps where there were no representatives of the cross, but in the camp for prisoners of war, they let them go, they allowed it solve certain fc point problems there and vice versa on the other side of the front line, too, if the red cross cannot act in this way, it will lose its meaning, and by the way, we see that life is shifting because the red cross was created by switzerland, switzerland has always been the guarantor of its neutrality, now that switzerland has said that she wanted to represent the interests of ukraine in russia and the ukrainians in russia, the so -called protective mandate and that is how it works with georgia, the local foreign affairs minister of russia said that we no longer need you neutral cream because in switzerland introduced sanctions against the russian federation for the first time in its by the way, history means that now everything is changing, we don't know how it will function, the day may come when in moscow you will say, you know, the red cross is there in switzerland, its headquarters, and switzerland is not a friendly country therefore, let us now let only the red cross, this is a real organization,

good, and these are all bad organizations, because they are not friendly countries, and this will absolutely change everything. i would say everything that we knew about the war in the last a century since the time florence on anti-hell created this organization, you understand, because it was precisely the appearance of the red cross, it was a manifestation of some kind of development of humanity, that humanism can be even during the war, something that, as you understand , no one thought before that it is possible to act, that there may be some people who will be respected by both warring parties, it just didn't happen and that these people can be doctors and that's how it happened and i have the impression that we are approaching the end of this history because here are these current authoritarian states they don't respect anything, that's enough for me, they're even putin. in this regard, he is worse than hitler and mussolini and than stalin, it seems that in view of what

they are doing to vitaly, if you sum up with the azovians, after all, what are russia's demands in exchange for a- and their lives can put these are the same demands that they usually make, but which you already voiced on the air, give us crimea, give us , please. there are two points. absolutely ready to trade people when he needed these stores. by the way, why is that? i'm curious, but now i'm interested in the final court . well, that was also a pseudo decision. he was, yes , he was ready to even fire sentsov, then when it turned out that he no longer had anyone to fire that no one is interested in him, the exchange process is over, will he come or i after this process, when the exchange was made, sentsova said that everything is over because we have nothing more to offer putin, and putin simply has nothing

it will not be given here either, just in case there is something that someone is interested in, you can exchange anyone , just simply, he can trace it, he must bring sociological studies to his papas, how much will the execution of the azov people affect our popularity, let's tell the president of ukraine on the very processes of stability in the country, if he tells him that it is destabilizing according to the situation, this is why he will be told that no, if we are talking about ukraine, will there really be some opposition from ukrainians regarding the fact that he did not do enough phraseology that should be blamed for someone like me i never believed that it was necessary to blame the fact that president poroshenko's war against president putin continues. i believed that any person who does this is just an enemy of the country, that's exactly what i think . and now we have to understand that the fate of our

prisoners of war does not depend on president zelensky he is not a magician, the fate of yelena from nashir depends on the russians, on putin personally, and no one can influence him except his own calculations." it is real if he saw that it destabilizes us , but we have to understand everything that destabilizes us and them strengthen and allows them to commit the most terrible crimes. so, let's not destabilize like this in the end. we still have 7 minutes. let's talk about the energy blackmail

that is causing the flood. we see gas prices that are now rising and we see how putin allows certain things we pump gas to the european union and reduces them, constantly blackmails, threatens, but i'm interested in vitaly, what do you think about how the europeans react, because that's how they sympathize with us for the most part, but when you live in another country, there are no rockets flying at you and there is no shelling, you can sympathize there for 10 minutes and then go about your business and think about your pocket, this is true, but on the other hand, it leaves no choice. i would like to agree on something with someone. it is not going to be one of the candidates. and i don’t know about this, neither with him, and you know, i would say so. it would be better if the europeans survived a difficult winter once, and it is clear that you and gazprom are not going to go. one way than everyone

never hope that they will somehow allow us to fill the storage, in general, i often say, i am so surprised, because look at the russians for decades . was in politics, then gazprom, and here suddenly it turns out that there is no such thing, that they are simply mocking the people who paid them. by the way, money is money, they are paid according to the contract, they already have a long- term contract. yes, they say, we need a turbine. which turbine do you have under sanctions? give the bag. the germans say this. give the bag. the canadians say : we will give it despite the sanctions. the germans say: here is

our bag. you introduced sections in general, you repaired it badly, well, this is bullying, it means from the very beginning what putin demands from them was planned. the rule is arranged in europe, maybe they would like to , they can’t because just like this sanction was introduced together and it can only be unanimously canceled and this is a process and this is a process and some poland or latvia or lithuania excuse me but we will not participate in your entanglements what is this they can't do that and it seems that he doesn't understand it. i remember that many western leaders said that they met him at the races and he said that you will release such a person and you will not split such and such a case, they told him, well, sir volodymyr, it is a free press, but it is freedom, but how can i? i am just the president of france, just the president, you do not understand. how did you, the president of france , decide the question? what does it mean that you cannot? in our country, a collective

decision is adopted in the european union, but then it is not clear. it is absolutely clear. sincere people who sincerely believe that they are deceiving them, and that is why i believe that it is necessary to part with this myth, and of course the winter will be difficult in any case, i hope that it is not too cold, but it will be an emergency situation for us than for europeans because that it is obvious that the russians will do everything possible to hit our infrastructure or there is a possibility that the war will be suspended that russia will also be interested in suspending it for the time being but this will only mean that there in the spring it can flare up already with new force that is also absolutely realistic. do you think that this cold winter will lead to the fact that europeans will then be more loyal to the russian federation, or will they already draw concrete conclusions that it is impossible to work from russian, they will go to

algeria to live in the palace of the president of the algerian republic in the palace of the qatari mayor not to get out of there until kanevism everything they need and so on. by the way, it was with oil during the war from one day and between israel and the arab countries when the arab countries were embarrassed by the fact that the europeans support israel is in this war and they stopped the supply of oil and the europeans in many countries simply moved to bicycles, but no one went to political surrender because they believed that these are sovereign countries, you cannot impose our energy resources on us political decisions, what do you want us to change, more politically, we have to sit down at the negotiating table, we, you , israel, and find a solution that will suit all of us, but you can't by not sending us the raw materials for which you paid us to change our values, values ​​are what i did not understand the arab dictator then, and what putin does not understand, and here too. i think that this will simply

lead to the fact that this is a parting with russian energy, which was supposed to last up to 5 years in the latest intentions of the european union, which it's simple yes yes what it can happen much earlier because there will be a lack of ecology, it will be necessary to simply say consume less yes , but in the end the russian federation is actually interested in this blackmail they are doing worse to themselves because the sanctions that are supposed to work with the oil bargo and gas bargom, well, gold is not so important to russia, but also we will earn it in time in this interval already sometime in the fall, economic experts say that it will be more interesting, please say that in reality, everything is not as they think in moscow, but don't forget, he doesn't understand anything, he believes that his economic experts solve everything, he generally believes that

politics is nothing to do with the economy, the welfare of the population has nothing to do with the fact that we see it, and it is politics, blackmail and intimidation. and what will happen as a result of some sanctions, well, imports are replaced by us here, we know all this rhetoric well, and when the country is ruled by an incompetent person, she may not notice what you and i notice with the naked eye. thank you, angelica, for this. yes thank you, we are coming back, but stay tuned to the espresso tv channel. thank you, mr. vitaly, for an interesting stage. koval will continue with news in a few seconds. stay tuned.