now he said that it is necessary to admit that the lot has been cast , but as a test. as they say, let's assume that ukraine is in nato. what does this mean ? you know what this indicates? pankevich has always been a kind of unofficial mouthpiece of the american state. not everything is possible. to say officially, there are a lot of things that are said with the words of such and such and the mouths of such and such representatives, but i would like to see a little wider picture. er, is there a little bit? more a yes, a little more already means eh how has the position of the eh united states of america and the western democratic world in general

changed ? the weakening of russia's position, weakening at least to such a degree that it could not increase its military potential too much, and the first sanctions were aimed at exactly that, i said the former already, well, in principle still the acting british prime minister, take johnson, it means, to force, very aptly said to force the russian military machine to starve, that is, not just to not give them money, not to give it the necessary electronic components, and so on, and now from the position of weakening such a small weakening of russia, the west has moved to the position of significantly weakening russia , that is, in essence, the task of russia's military defeat, and i hope that very soon the real prospects of the next russian regimes will be assessed and er, a decision will be made to carry out a

peaceful and er gradual reconstruction of the post-soviet consecutive persian space, because as long as russia remains an empire with nuclear weapons, i will repeat myself again. it will always pose a threat to ukraine, first of all, to europe, and of course to the united states of america for around the world continue this process of leaving russia, and here comes the news that wizz air is resuming flights to moscow and whether we will have a rollback in the other direction or other companies will not look at wizz air will tell you. yes, we can too. what is the matter ? i think that the international community is putting such pressure on companies that continue to work in russia. disputes over whether russians are really collectively responsible for the crimes of the putin regime, because collective

responsibility does not exist, and it is true , collective responsibility really does not exist, that is, there is no responsibility for any acts or crimes as to which all people are included simply on a formal basis, but at the same time there is a shared responsibility, that is, a responsibility that is shared by many people who, in one way or another, by their actions or inaction , it is important to emphasize the word inaction here, contributed to the fact that war crimes occurred and, to this day, there are russians who actively, including with weapons in their hands or without weapons in their hands, fight against the aggressive persian regime. of course , these people can always count on europe for let's say a political protologue at the same time those people who use russian tourist visas in order for you to solve your own problems and avoid this distributed responsibility because they emphasize collective responsibility - this is really something that the modern world does not accept, but

distributed responsibility is where each person is itself responsible for its own actions or inaction, it exists in its own right and is the answer to whether we really do well or badly or whether europe bans tourist visas political asylum for those who fight against the e- regime is always possible, just by the way it is clear that a large part of those russians who have tourist visas are people who are essentially in the service of the regime or for the sake of informational and psychological special operations aimed at e-western territory or out of order, certain works on the introduction of sanctions and so on, that is, one way or another, if you are not ready to stand against the war, then you bear part of the responsibility for the war, and being out of politics will not succeed either in russian culture or in russian sports or russian sciences, of course

, it is already an obvious thing today, mr. valeriu, i wanted to ask you about such a character as the arrestee, without knowing, you saw on the weekend walking on facebook such a cut moment of vanity where he gives an interview gordon but someone took it and cut it into such pieces, but there i will not make you listen to this whole minute again , only a few moments we cut out, i ask you to watch and then then comment on the president then i yes and then and then the hostage tell me did you ever think you would be so popular? i always knew that you did not portend trouble. i always knew that i would be popular since childhood. you will become

president . they are preparing us for something, and what are they preparing us for, what should we do with these ratings and the fact that mr. arestovych will become president, by the way, he has already registered his name as a trademark, it seems if you go to his page at facebook well, there are simply millions of likes it's just that there are also a lot of my acquaintances. they are going through some kind of shock when they follow these reports about the incredible popularity of mr. arestovych and mr. valery. how do we look at it? i look at it. thus, it is obvious that the political configuration of post-war ukraine will be different if only because millions of people, i would say tens of millions of people, have experienced some incredible things in their lives, have had some experiences on the border of life and death, and not necessarily those who were at the front or those who were in the occupation

although there are millions of such people and those who left and those who tried to fight for the restoration of their business and many, many other people and i communicate in very different social groups, no social group in any region does not see the fear of the defeat of ukrainian, although i myself i understand that we have to go to the ukrainian victory in order to get enough. and we will be honest with our viewers about the problems , there is no guarantee of a hundred percent. we can not make mistakes and everything will not be very good or even bad, but i don’t see fear of defeat nowhere, i see another fear, i see fear in all regions, in all social groups, in all money, in all professional categories, fear that after the war everything will be the same as before the war, fear that we will not take advantage of this chance what we have that we will waste this chance and we will waste this chance, you know, as they say in the not-so-in-the-west, who do not treat ukraine very well, sometimes they say that

ukraine will never waste a chance to waste its chance, so there is a great fear among millions of people that we will waste another chance and this means that the political configuration will obviously change, which means that the following ratings will include a large number of those names that we have never seen before, and of course there will be many people who will want to take advantage of this and there will be many people who have returned from the front to build people who did not return from the front, there will be many people who have already gained their popularity in some other way or through social networks or through their participation in volunteer hands. the new names a-a and er-e will of course be completely er-er empty characters, we know that in our country through social networks you can promote people who er-er well , let's say this, they actually got involved quite seriously in making ukraine weaker. we

remember we are looking for whom mr. cordon promoted before the last presidential election and so on, one way or another in the ranking. so we will meet many new names. and this is very good. new generations, new times, new chances need many new names. which of them will we choose, wise ukrainian people, it is very difficult. to say er, i will share another joke that er is popular in the schools of ukrainian public activists, the only source of criminal power in ukraine is our criminal people, er, wise, and at the same time, it is not them, not the people, er, who will elect the person they believe as president first of all, he will believe that this person will not waste a chance. who will it be? we will see how. i think that we will be waiting for us after the martial law ends and active political activity will begin. and it will begin with my point of view i don't political expert, but from my point of view it will start immediately not because of politics, but because of the economy , because the country needs very big changes, and we

will see what kind of people it will be and how it will be. what real ratings will they have after it will be possible to conduct e real e-e valid reliable e sociological research p lara literally just a minute more if i may question whether ukraine can be a successful authoritarian for this period after the war or after the war or before the next war i don’t know transitional do you believe in a successful authoritarian ukraine i think that during the week of authoritarian ukraine can be quite successful, but no more than in the second week it will start to collapse because look, i would like to draw the attention of all our female viewers due to what we win we win due to democracy we network society horizontal network society away from self-charged people, it gives us victory at the front and in the rear in politics and in the economy, the only thing that remains is to somehow make it so that free self-charged people can also

to create some kind of party that will also be sufficiently self-sufficient, this is also a question of a million or a billion, perhaps some kind of conglomerate will finally appear. there may be an attempt again by those oligarchic projects to lead the processes like this after the war, because i think it sounds like a question. i will try to answer in half a minute. these are people who believe that the state must be concerned , the state must take upon itself the solution of all problems, and this means that every reform, even after the war, even in the new conditions, will still have to be chewed out, creating sufficiently powerful, possibly new coalitions every time, in order to carry out all those reforms that your tv channel talks about, including those that you will

talk about in the future. we have absolutely everything, we are like an organism in which everything needs to be changed , everything hurts, uh, all organs are bad, everything is necessary to be completely replaced, and all reforms will have to be done very quickly, and by the way, otherwise we will simply not be given money, let’s end it with this , this is already a good version for the ukrainians that they did not believe in caps, in the miraculousness and healing of foil caps. thank you, valery, for a sober look at how always valeriy, a baker, a community entrepreneur, a ball, a co-founder of the civic platform new country , and a teacher of the tashliyansk business, when he was with us here, by the way, our viewers began to react to the arrestee, who, how, who, with compliments, they are just being sarcastic in front of him and who is criticizing next , we will talk about the topic of history, but not so simple historical references, but how history and how the past affects our present today

, august 14, is the anniversary of how catherine ii became a monument that is still standing in odesa, she destroyed zaporizhzhia in sich, she then said that hm, it must be done because this is her fulfillment of her monarchical duty before god, before the empire, even before humanity in general, something very consistent with everything that putin decided to identify ukrainians well, to p alferov is with us - these are historians, a researcher at the institute of history of ukraine, nan-ukraine . the press and then we'll talk, we agreed. ok, let's watch the zaporozhian sich. that was the name of the manifesto

of empress catherine the second, which became an order for the russian army to destroy the citadel of the ukrainian cossacks, and in a few years, the russian the ruler fortified the peasants of the left bank and slobozhanshchyna and finally eliminated the remnants of the cossack state of the hetmanship, despite the fact that the empire and then the soviet folk myth depicted kateryna almost as a defender of the cossacks and thank you mom for how they give a good one that this lamb is here everything everything that we do not have zaporozhye why not don't live, somehow made a widow an orphan, this is how taras shevchenko assessed the activities of empress taras shevchenko 60 years after those events, now, almost 250 years later, ukrainians are debating whether a monument to catherine ii is needed in odesa, and the russian occupiers are planning to erect a

monument to the empress in occupied kherson right on the site of the demolished lenin after decommunization, when we removed the top layer of russian influence on ukraine, this is where colonization should be. we also have to get rid of these imperial russian layers because they will also be are already being used by russia as evidence for their claims to ukrainian territory, the plan of the russians in kherson is to prevent the armed forces of the soviet union, but why are they delaying the dismantling of the monument in odesa, there are already two questions petitions demanding to remove the monument received a sufficient number of votes for consideration by the president. zelensky, as required by law, left the matter to the discretion of the odessa city council, but he is in no hurry to make a decision, many odessans say against it, as if it was catherine ii who founded odessa - he says that odessa existed long before, several centuries before catherine ii territories of southern ukraine are territories that at one time belonged to the army of the

zaporizhzhya ukrainian state or to the crimean khanate, and hence it can be said that it was a wasteland that appeared on the world map only after the appearance of the russians there absolutely not absolutely absolutely not unfair and has nothing to do with history officially the ill-fated monument is called to the founders of odesa in the people kateryna and her lovers it was erected in 2007 activists suspect that money for the project was given by cooperation of the kremlin government organization that for a long time planted russian symbols in ukraine, such as the russian empress who finally destroyed ukrainian statehood and transformed ukrainian peasants to slaves so, oleksandra alfiorov is in touch with us , now we will find out with him whether that kateryna should stand there and why why somehow they give instructions and petitions, she is still standing there without legs kateryna should not be no lovers around this public speech on which catherine is stuck in

odessa in the center of being not there, accordingly, i would just like to remind you that today is indeed the anniversary of the manifesto of catherine ii in which she explained the de facto liquidation of zaporizhzhya sich. she said that the cossacks insulted their imperial majesty that the cossacks did not engage in various bad things, except for laziness, safely, this all happened in 1775, the cossacks ceased to be necessary for the russian imperial army, although literally five years will pass there, how will military companies with thoughts start and kateryna will start asking for them again take the side of the russian imperial army at the same time. catherine ii is 1775. this is such an intermediate date that is romanticized in our country in the context of the fight against the cossacks, but i would like to remind our viewers here

1764 the hetmanship was abolished 1765 - 1760s it was catherine ii abolishing the slobid cossack spiders kharkiv izyum artistic ostroh sumy 1775 the literary zaporizhzhya sich 1782 the liquidation of ukrainian autonomy in the form of spiders and hundreds of cossacks existed 1783 serfdom was introduced in ukraine and after all, these are the results of the reign of catherine ii . what is that stupid woman doing on our catherine playground in odessa ? russkomirtse preach there about kateryna, which was not founded by anyone. odessa actually exists here,

even because there is something. such a statement that odessa stands a few times, friends, this is the 1400s, the beginning of the 1400s, when during the reign of the grand duke of lithuania and russian, well ukrainian vytautas, there was already a place of odessa the port was founded, which ensured the functioning of the trade routes to belgorod -dniester today and beyond er, where is the process of russification, in particular, these monuments and so on, but it all boils down to the fact that the limits of russification are different for everyone. for example, recently in an interview somewhere, tkachenko said that, for example, the family-mother is a beautiful symbol. especially since she looks to the east. i

won't say who else is looking to the east besides her. it is clear that the ministry has so much, but less, that is, the question is how, where, where, we will still spend here, we understand that russia literally marked how like a dog conventionally speaking its territory first of all, we know that they didn't have time to enter lviv in 1939 and immediately started planning where they would put the monument to lenin. they already delivered it after 1945. the germans always drove them out. they change everything, but it is broader, this is a broad question. so, when we look, i don’t even know, relatively speaking, at the bell tower of sophia of kyiv, it was rebuilt several times, and each time there was a layering of this suznatsky, that tatar-mongolian, and so on, was it added or not this is how we look at it now. for example , someone will look at it and say, we are used to it, it is our orthodox, and someone, for example,

will say why are mongolian symbols in patterns here, why is this, in principle, this russian style with those bulbs brought here because it wasn't, it wasn't laid out like that, it wasn't planned like that, and sophia of kyiv, in general, once looked completely different, in a word, where are the reasonable limits, where do you have to stop and say okay , it will even be like that, but where should you be anyway it is necessary for the officials themselves to be unshakable and remove the marks of the russian empire. well, for example, in kyiv, i headed the renaming commission, and i will say that since the renaming is slipping now and it is not sliding anywhere, what does this mean in principle about the officials, because you can shout about decommunization and our commission in 2022 brought communism to its

logical conclusion, as it was supposed to end on the 16th, i.e. decommunization, terminologically speaking prizes of the fact that there should be something else where and then he started talking about where sydization decommunization where russification and in this way our officials have created a completely dangerous representative, what does he see where russification is for us, too, if ukraine recognizes itself in history, it is not a state that has recovered after the collapse of the class, but they, for example , they are a state with the speed of ukrainian of the people's republic or the ukrainian state of the polish public one hundred years ago, we must make it clear that we are communicating and that the trident coat of arms, which we adopted in the 18th year as our coat of arms. - this is a ukrainian medieval state, so how

can we talk about de-russification? in our ukraine, coins were minted in different periods. and in the 1000s , there were coins in lviv in the 10-60s, on which the russian or, as they say, the galician top and the inscription were depicted. русская yes in latin that is, where russification leads to stops because we are selected for free, you know the term decolonization when we talk about, for example, the high british literary culture, at the same time, we do not say that it is some autocon, the aborigines of australia who you write british prose of british prose, why is the key here, the colony cannot teach anything in the metropolis, because colonization assumes that the metropolis is at a civilizational level higher than the colonization

, and when mykola vasilievich gogol began to teach these orientals to write prose, it is impossible within the limits of colonization, that is why that the colony a priori can not teach the metropolis anything when our mogilians opened the slavs greco-latin academy, the original yes school. this means that in what way is the state that supposedly should be higher colonization after colony was subjected to the fact that we are ukrainized and that is why, friends, we still accept the term, which is historically correct, and the muscovite kingdom and the russian empire and the soviet union and today's russian federation are the continuation of one and the same state, which has the name of the russian empire. well so conditionally and that is why it is an empire with its own characteristic absolutely mechanisms that has existed for the last 400 years

, we need to understand that all processes when we want to throw off this bodywork must have a name where imperialization and only in the context where imperialization can be understood because we are gogol , after all, do we expel him or do we leave something behind ? because the artist was actually buried in st. petersburg, not the poet shevchenko academician, well, how can you prove to these idiots that decolonization is not about today, we must understand that history it is not a very simple science, it is not done in the kitchen, but dimeralization is something that you have to sit down and sit at the table and understand how we can get rid of twisted myths and how we do not reject our native

audience here, one of us tells us where muscovization is, i don’t know if it can be too this is such a term, oleksandr. please tell me, maybe this will be a bit of a rhetorical question, but now we are watching the news from finland and the finns have taken and demolished two monuments to the friendship of peoples or something like that. in narva, it is the most like this russian-speaking and the largest number of russians actually live there, it’s estonia, so in estonia they demolished it, they didn’t demolish it, they took it to another place, they moved it, um, god, i wanted to say tractor, not a tractor, and the soban tank, uh, because they also want to get rid of the symbols occupation and they were not attacked by russia, i hope it will not succeed

, they just saw what could happen if uh, well, that is, the finns already had certain stories there and the estonians also had certain stories and we had certain stories, but their something history teaches and is even foreign the latest history also teaches them, but it will not teach us in any way, we create a petition here, the president gives instructions and, uh, and kateryna is standing here, we arrange some polls in action where there is no other option, some such certain options can take away an asterisk, attach a trident, but the family the mother is standing, moreover, behind her is the minister of culture, why do other peoples, other countries learn from our history, and we cannot learn from our history , and all the time we are beaten and beaten on the head by rakes, you know, there is such a thing near mariupol in the town of mangush, in 2018, my friends

and colleagues immediately restored the monument to the quiver, the work was not the best in terms of material. so, dear, we installed a cossack cross dedicated to all the soldiers who are going to ukraine. and the first thing that the occupiers did was to sew it there, they invented it, destroyed it and i didn’t ask a single person, i did n’t write any tests, i didn’t write any surveys, and this is the position that the bolsheviks, the russians, always take. they will never pay anything. they remove other people’s markers and then they can they listed examples, but their first and foremost goal is to remove other people's things. it just so happened that we have imperial markers. they are not only in monuments, not only in plaques, a monument is not only in names, and here we say that these names

are also completely different, because a monument to the imperialism of the name of the street, for example, it can be both lenin street and pushkin street, or that poet whom they raped and began to spread here so that he will become. a supporter and says that this is the monument that was created by our veteran of the war, the fat oleksandr kanibor with his father. oh, and they do it without question. no one asks them anything. because we europeans , by our nature, have to ask, we have to predict. they also break the cross. it became simply terrible because you established it. and the russians , nothing.

to play democracy about the motherland, my mother, when democracy harms us, alexander, we are forced to interrupt the conversation with you. i think that next time, because we still have many topics and we will agree on other topics as well. thank you for the historical clarifications, alexander alfiorova, historian, researcher at the institute of history of ukraine, nan of ukraine, was with us and he has a blog, by the way, also historical, many people now feel the need to fill out programs very briefly, i will say this opinion that if, for example, we need to do something it is important, for example, in the field of economics, we don't ask everyone's opinion. and this is done simply by people who understand economics, for some reason they think that culture is a place where everyone understands absolutely everything, well, it's really not like that, it's not like that , it's about history, it's a bow, you need to know it historians should decide patriotic and not pro-russian ones. that's all, we'll be back soon